Share like mad!

@andresgalindo7682

7 ай бұрын

☦❤‍🔥

@lupinthe4th400

7 ай бұрын

Will do ☦

I was once a Roman Catholic. The psychological trials I faced trying to get out of that sect were indescribably bizarre. Lots of negativity. But I had found Orthodoxy, I had found actual Christian life and practice and I knew that I wanted to follow Christ. The first day I started, in practice, was when I built up the courage to visit an Orthodox church. Blessedly, I knew that first time that this was the truth. I had a head start on mourning my Roman delusions; I was thankfully literate enough to recognize that the soft men in Rome were ludicrously out to lunch, though it took a long time to accept it in my heart. God desires all to be a Christian, and there is one Christianity.

@ryrocks9487

7 ай бұрын

Glory to God!

@beyond0077

7 ай бұрын

Have you seen this video on the Papacy? I highly recommend it! kzread.info9qv0ZlMbT7Q?si=yEDmKXCpEp7Lp15C

@_aurelius

7 ай бұрын

Seita é tua falsa Igreja cismática.

@aeternusromanus

6 ай бұрын

Wonderful comment God bless

@Downey-2000

2 ай бұрын

Drama queen 😂

i born in a Catholic country where the only different option was to become protestant or atheist, i wish i would found the ORTHODOXY bedore, thanks God reading history books i found the Orthodoxy the real Church of Christ ☦

@michaelwachira8484

7 ай бұрын

Satan wants you in the orthodox church that's why

excited for another truglia video that will receive zero response from RCs

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

This would require responding to a book length of material which this condenses...

@AisElliott

7 ай бұрын

​@@OrthodoxChristianTheologydon't worry they'll find something diggin in the Quote mines ⛏️⚒️⛏️

@GuitarTunings33

7 ай бұрын

No responses show

@NavelOrangeGazer

7 ай бұрын

@@AisElliott Gotta pour one out for all the child laborers kept working their fingers to the bone in papal quote mines worldwide.

@AmillennialMillenial

7 ай бұрын

Don’t underestimate Reason and Theology; I’m sure he could put out a 7.5 hour rebuttal to this.

Best concise video I have ever seen on the topic. 11 out of 10!

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

6 ай бұрын

TY, please share big time!

Great video Craig Truglia, I’m leaving Rome and I’m gotta admit you influence my decision along with the Orthobros

@henryvdl3692

7 ай бұрын

I recommend reading Michael Lofton and Erick Ybarra before leaving Rome. Please reconsider 🙏

@ferazonyteologia

7 ай бұрын

@@henryvdl3692 Lofton is one of the promoter why I started inquiring again about EO. Not impressed by Ybarra’s book

@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@henryvdl3692No, get out loftonite

@OrthodoxInquiry

7 ай бұрын

@@henryvdl3692 lmao

@OrthodoxEthos

7 ай бұрын

@@henryvdl3692 That would not help, I think.

Very informative

@davidevans3227

Ай бұрын

what did you learn? 🙂

Enjoyed this. Can you give us a source for the Pope Martin quote around the 7:33 mark, stating he cannot ordain in Jerusalem? Perhaps a picture if it’s from an unobtainable/expensive academic book?

@thomasshunuk3070

7 ай бұрын

Truglia provides a citation in his book.

Has anyone seen my 🔑s?

@dewd9327

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think I left them under that huge pile of forgeries - I mean AUTHENTIC PATRISTIC LETTERS

@ryrocks9487

7 ай бұрын

@@dewd9327XD

@Imitatinghim

Ай бұрын

certainly not in orthodoxy. for some reason the Orthodox church hasnt been able to bind or lose any doctrine or moral truth for its faithful since the schism... I wonder why

Roman Catholic seething has commenced.

@samdonny

3 ай бұрын

Charity left the chat

Unfortunately there is an omission of key western and eastern church history which is disappointing. Ask Moscow today if they see Constantinople as a higher position of honor. Constantinople came late as a recognized see, and has never been able to have a successful council since it's recognized 8th Council. The largest irony is the fall of Constantinople to the Turks on The Feast Of Pentecost 1453, and for nearly 200 years the Patriarch of Constantinople was appointed by the Sultan.

Very good Craig. I came here a minute before this aired, just to see what you were up to, and I wasn't expecting this. I didn't know about your book until now. The Lord works in mysterious ways. Now I will share your book with my Roman Catholic associates.

I just got your book, and only just found out after the video that you are the author! I will be starting to read it today. I'm a cradle Roman Catholic who has been inquiring into Orthodoxy since April this year; I'm thankful for these videos that help me to understand why what I grew up in(even if only on a cultural level and lacking in theology) to be wrong. May God bless you. ☦

@tony1685

6 ай бұрын

why not follow the Bible and go on the LORD's day? oh, btw - that's the 7th day Sabbath still. It begins at sundown this evening.

@ofaoilleachain

6 ай бұрын

@@tony1685 I do follow the Bible, it's what made me seek Christs Church, which is the Orthodox church.

@tony1685

6 ай бұрын

@@ofaoilleachain God's church upholds His Truth - 1 Tim 3:15 His Truth = His Law / Ten Commandments ~ Psalm 119:142, 151 His Law includes Exodus 20:8-11 if you read Genesis through Revelation, there is absolutely ZERO reason to believe the 1st day (sunday) is the LORD's day. all in the NT still kept Holy the 7th day Sabbath. Daniel 7 prophesied a nasty entity would tamper with this Commandment. the papacy freely ADMITS and openly teaches that they change the Holy day to sunday. Christians partake in full submersion baptism to commemorate His death, burial and resurrection - Col 2:12, Rom 6:3-4, 1 Pt 3:21 if your church doesn't teach, preach, keep the Sabbath - it's proving that it: 1 - doesn't know God - 1 John 2:3 2 - doesn't love Jesus - John 14:15 3 - doesn't walk in Truth - 1 John 2:4 4 - won't be in Heaven - Matt 19:17, Rev 22:14 the LORD's day begins at sunset this evening. *Happy Sabbath!!!* i pray church tomorrow morning is a blessing!

@anthonyally4390

6 ай бұрын

​@fionn5602 glad you honor the Word of God and the One Holy Spirit guided Body of Christ ☦️🕊🛐

@tony1685

6 ай бұрын

@@ofaoilleachain my apologies, youtube didn't show i had a reply. who could it be Christ's church if they didn't keep today, the 7th day Sabbath, the LORD's day Holy? doesn't orthodox bow to the papacy by pretending that tomorrow, sunday, is the LORD's day - even though Scripture proves the contrary?

Just ordered my copy of the new book!

@Ronnock

7 ай бұрын

what book?

@Ronnock

7 ай бұрын

wait, nevermind.

@andreastheo2019

7 ай бұрын

@@Ronnockhis new book

great video

Same narrator as the Harmony channel. Nice.

@Boreal_AltNaturalist

7 ай бұрын

Yeah the narrator on this vid is the guy behind harmony. Which is great!

@davidevans3227

Ай бұрын

too american

Romans will follow and defend the Papacy even if the devil himself sat on that seat. I never realized how cultish Roman Catholics are.

@gumbyshrimp2606

7 сағат бұрын

The devil himself *does* sit on that seat

So True

I hope even the seething Papists arrive.

@dewd9327

7 ай бұрын

they are here, coping in all their infidel glory

@ryrocks9487

7 ай бұрын

@@dewd9327Yay

@samdonny

3 ай бұрын

@@dewd9327 You talk this way about everyone who disagrees with you?

@samdonny

3 ай бұрын

Charity has left the chat 😂

@samdonny

3 ай бұрын

​@@onewhocomesdown Which heresy? and what exactly is the standard for heresy?

Interesting. I just ordered your book. I might be asking to be a catechumen within the next few weeks or months if this info checks out.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

Lots of citations for you to follow up on :)

@bobjenkins3rd

4 ай бұрын

I’ve also heard His Broken Body by Fr Laurent Cleenewerck is very balanced and charitable. Faith of Our Fathers by Eamon Duffy, a Catholic, admits quite a lot too.

This video was really well produced. Great audio, beautiful animations, informative and concise content. Thank you for making this!

0:48 A slight correction, the Exarch of Ephesus didn't have authority over the other two Exarchs (of Thrace and Cappadocia). And the Jerusalem Bishopric was under the Primacy of Antioch until way after Nicea. Rome, Antioch and Alexandria are all considered Petrine sees 1:35 Jerusalem had no independent or even autonomous Jurisdiction between the fall of Jerusalem and the Pentarchy. I stand corrected if you prove otherwise. 3:08 The Synods to define the day of Pascha were called by Pope St Victor II in his controversy with Ephesus. He almost excomunicated the Asian Church over this (showing the Bishops of Rome felt entitled to that at that age), but was convinced by St Irenaeus that he should prefer to maintain the peace at the Church and respect the autonomy and customs of Ephesus. 4:09 The baptism of the Novatians had correct form, thus St Cyprian was wrong in his dispute against St Stephen about the baptism of the Novatians. 4:44 Of course, if the election of the Pope is dubious the way to clear it out is through the consensus of the Church. I see no issue here. It does not imply the Roman Bishop derives his Primacy from the consent of his brother Bishops, just that their consensus is able to clear doubts about his election. 6:13 The African Church wanted to preserve her autonomy as existing according to the Canons, more than fair

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

4 ай бұрын

There are errors here and no citations. My book proves otherwise. As for yhe pre nicene pentarchy, i deal with this in footnotes.

@igorlopes7589

4 ай бұрын

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology 1- Was Ephesus ever under the Roman Patriarchate? Not even the Thracian Exarch was under the Roman Patriarchate afaik. 2- Were the Exarchs of Thrace and Cappadocia were under Ephesus or not? 3- Do you deny Rome, Alexandria and Antioch are Petrine Sees? 4- Do you deny Pope St Victor II felt entitled to excommunicate Ephesus? 5- Do you deny the baptism of the novatians had valid form (aka in the name of the Trinity)? 6- Do you deny Rome never changed her position about the baptism of the Novatians (which was the controversy between Saints Stephen and Cyprian)?

@samdonny

Ай бұрын

@@igorlopes7589 I'm a Prot, discerning. I'd love to hear the answers to these questions!

Do you have any info on the part the Pope played towards the Norman Conquest of England? William the conquerer I believe got the 'go ahead' from the Pope at the time to conquer England from the True King of England, Harold Godwinson

thank you for this video. im striving towards the truth of Eastern Orthodoxy. Thank You!! ☦️💙

@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne

7 ай бұрын

Orthodoxy is not just eastern ☦️

@yourneighbour3309

7 ай бұрын

​@@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonneoriental orthodoxy is Wrong! God Has 2 Natures!! Love☦️💙

@yourneighbour3309

7 ай бұрын

​@@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonnekzread.info/dash/bejne/Ym1nk8uDd6yXiaw.htmlsi=Uc1fjYDjV2HgcdQ5

@samdonny

Ай бұрын

@@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne Hi! Prot here (discerning). Just wondering - isn't the conventional name for Orthodoxy "Eastern Orthodoxy" though? Or does that only refer to the eastern parts of Orthodoxy? Thanks. And so do you refrain from calling Catholics "Roman Catholics" or "Latins" etc. on the same principle, since their church goes outside of Rome and has Eastern Catholicism too? Thank you!

Wow Craig, great video

I like ur voice. Keep at it mate

This is a really good segment. Thanks. Quick clarifying question - Coming from an RC background the following statement sounds fairly Roman Catholic. What did you mean by this exactly (in the description)? "...[follow the] Bishop of Rome from its humble beginnings through the institution of Christ Himself". An RC would read this and basically say "Yes, the papacy is a divinely instituted office. Agreed. You lose".

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

The episcopate begins with Peter. Every bishop's succession begins with him--including Rome. But tbe intro is honestly just not being that technical. Please share!

@iliya3110

7 ай бұрын

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology Ah okay - That makes sense. St Cyprian of Carthage mentions this. St Peter is a type of the bishop in general; whereas, in Catholicism, Peter = the Pope of Rome alone (for all practical purposes). Gotcha - Thanks for clarifying. Maybe I'm still trying to shake my own inherent "Peter syndrome" I picked up from my RC days. Lord have mercy

Peter and Paul are recorded in the Greek Synaxarion as preaching in Cornhill in the City of Londinium, now known as London, from where they were called to go to Rome to meet with their martyrdom. That is why it has a St. Paul´s cathedral and Westminster Abbey is considered dedicated to St. Peter. So, London also forms part of the see of Peter (and Paul). They were also involved in the founding of the see of Antioch,. Rome was the third and final part of this see, and in this sense junior, though as the capital of the Empire, senior.

@mikemacdavy8086

Ай бұрын

That is completely false. The Synaxarion does not say that Peter or Paul ever went to Britain. Preposterous!

@adrianwhyatt594

Ай бұрын

The Greek Orthodox Synaxarion says exactly what I told you. I've been reminded of this in a number of sermons given by Reader Vladimir Moss of St. Michael's Orthodox Church, Guildford, near London, Surrey, England. Dr. Moss is a theologian and church historian and the author of hundreds of books and articles on these subjects free to download from the internet. These include a multi volumed history of the world from a True Orthodox Christian viewpoint and also many articles on saints and on Orthodox history, as well as the book "The Fall of Orthodox England", inter alia". I suggest you contact him for further details if you remain unconvinced. You only subscribe to the Bible Illustrated KZread channel on the KZread channel profile you have made your profile from. You might want to subscribe to some of these. I will not be replying to any further attempts by you to deny or contradict what I've told you, or to question it further.

@INoticeTooMuch1

Ай бұрын

You sure it wasn’t Lugdunum? Which is modern day Lyon, France.

Do you think I could use your video, translate it into Spanish, and publish it for my audience? I would give you the respective credit and include a link to your channel in the description.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

Go ahead

@EdgarPacheco-

7 ай бұрын

tNKS! @@OrthodoxChristianTheology

@gsnow2526

4 ай бұрын

​@@EdgarPacheco- how do you reconcile this video with your reformed view?

St. Gregory the Dialogist, Pope (Archbishop of Rome) (6th Century): "Certainly, Peter, the first of the Apostles, himself a member of the Holy and universal Church, Paul, Andrew, John - what were they but heads of particular communities. And yet, all were member under one Head (Christ)... Now I confidently say that whosoever calls himself, or desires to call himself, Universal Priest, is in his elation is the precursor of Antichrist, because he proudly puts himself above all others."

Met Hilarion Alfeyev's Orthodox Christianity Vol.I has some very salient and straightforward, and revealing, history about papal primacy (as espoused directly from the mouths of preeminent saints like Maximus and other) and the struggle between east and west both politically and otherwise.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

St Maximus IMHO did float a sort of Papal Supremacy, which is covered in the book. Even more than St Pope Martin who I argue honestly did not do so at all.

Craig can you do a video of the Novus Ordo Mass, how it’s a break from tradition (within Roman Catholicism) and the collapse of Roman Catholic devotion and fasting life. I’m a convert to Orthodoxy from Roman Catholicism and I’m always very surprised how little it’s talked about from the Orthodox side. I think it would speak to normie Catholics

@DANtheMANofSIPA

7 ай бұрын

I agree. There is a lot of evangelism that can be done with Roman Catholics, especially with the Western Rite liturgies of St Gregory The Great and St Tikhon. Many Catholics want the TLM which Francis is restricting, we can give them that in Orthodoxy

@bman5257

7 ай бұрын

I don’t think that’s fair to say that Catholic devotion is in collapse. There are a lot of nominal Catholics, but there are also a lot of nominal Orthodox too.

I can’t wait!

Love this!! ☦️🔥🔥

Why no picture of Pope John Paul I in the last sequence of popes?

Originally the Pope of Rome was the Orthodox Patriarch of the West. After the coronation of Carolus Magnus 12-25-800 the Orthodox Pope of Rome became the Catholic Pope, and no Orthodox Pope of Rome was elected to replace the heterodox one. An Orthodox Pope of Alexandria was re-elected at Chalcedon, after the Coptic Pope was declared heterodox. Pope is the Greek nickname for father, like Pop in English; in Greek the O is long (omega) so the silent E is added to indicate that; every Presbyter in Greece is called Pope, as every Presbyter in English speaking countries is called Father.

@thelonelysponge5029

6 ай бұрын

Not true, I asked the eastern fathers and they all told me to listen to Vatican 1 and 2

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

@@thelonelysponge5029 You are one lousy joker...

What is your standard of consensus? If at least one does not consent, is there concensus? Nicean council was about 300 attendees but 2 votes against?

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

5 ай бұрын

Historically, consensus has been approximately 70-80 percent (Ephesus was convinced of its ecumenicity when one Patriarchate didn't sign, for example). Think of it as a "super majority." In the USA, that's 67 out of 100 Senators.

The next book should be the Catechism of Catholic Craig (CCC)

What a legend, thank you for this!

The Papacy hasn't "fallen." It may be in schism from you Orthodox, but it still exists and is as influential as ever. I hope we reunite one day and even as a Catholic, I don't mind the Orthodox view of the Bishop of Rome as "First Among Equals."

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

But we mind your heresies and without refutation of those and comeback to the sound Orthodox faith, no re-unification is possible. None of the reasons Rome fell from the sound Orthodox faith have been removed yet. Sadly.

Okay but what about Peter Dimond's view on it?

@chiefamongsinners16

7 ай бұрын

Did he respond to it?

@MrNTF-vi2qc

7 ай бұрын

No. try to get it to him@@chiefamongsinners16

5:58 Georgia was in Antiochian jurisdiction though.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

Sort of. They were evangelized by Antioch, but their hagiographies cites repeated battles against Eastern Rome as reason for their autuocephaly. So, I'm not sure precisely how that settles out.

@finrodfelagund8668

7 ай бұрын

I knew it as a settled fact, idk.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

6 ай бұрын

I just ran into a Georgian hagiography that specified Antochian jurisdiction. Sorry for the mistake!

Question craig is peter more sagnificant than the other bishops? If yes then how you refute the Catholic argument of supremacy

You forgot the incredible St Andrew. This changes the pattern...

Cool!

Christianity was in Africa before Europe

@benjamingallows

2 ай бұрын

And yet it’s still a shit-hole to this day. Says a lot about the people of Africa doesn’t it?

@Ma1q444

2 ай бұрын

@@benjamingallows weirdo

@benjamingallows

2 ай бұрын

@@Ma1q444 You don’t know how awful the black race is? Have you been brainwashed by jews or something?

@davidevans3227

Ай бұрын

Israel is practically in north africa

"Pope" was first give to the head of the church of Alexandria in 188AD and was later adopted by the church of Rome by the end of the 3rd century. Thus we 2 who carry that title today

This video is not about the history of Papacy showing how it developed or functioned but just a series of cherry picked events that cause one to question the Papacy. It doesn't explain why or how the Pope and other Patriarchs got a rank of seniority and also ignores what this authority of the Pope and other Patriacrchs meant if it was not to depose others or teach authoritatively etc. It also misses out various other instances which cause one to believe in the Papacy too.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

2 ай бұрын

You may not be used to the Papacy contxtualized within first millenium ecclesiology.

Papacy has fallen Trillions must convert.

@alexdinev4313

7 ай бұрын

the west has fallen

@ixisinvestigator6009

7 ай бұрын

deconvert from jesus christ ! false god

@ywnbawoman

7 ай бұрын

​@@ixisinvestigator6009Islam is gay tho ngl

@ixisinvestigator6009

7 ай бұрын

@@ywnbawoman who said i was a muslim? if i was i would say jesus is a prophet because da book say so not that jesus is a false god. but go pray the god that die on the cross because his dieing wash your sin (ret*rded concept)

@ywnbawoman

7 ай бұрын

@@ixisinvestigator6009 sounds Muslim to me

But... Have your considered this? Matthew 16 Muh Keys Bottom Text

@markroth6232

7 ай бұрын

No, Craig continue to ignore all the witness of scripture in favor of the primacy of Peter. Eastern Orthodox can’t win a debate on the papacy against a Catholic by using the Bible… so they continue to ignore the word of God and prefer to focus on history of men’s…

@ryrocks9487

7 ай бұрын

@@markroth6232We can’t use the Fathers? Oh wait that’s right. As none of them thought the keys were given exclusively to Peter until Latins after the schism. Funny how that works.

@dewd9327

7 ай бұрын

@@ryrocks9487 Literally, Papal Prots will quote scriptures at us just like their prot spawn do

@henrik_worst_of_sinners

7 ай бұрын

​​@@markroth6232Papal supremacy has no basis in scripture. It comes from forged documents such as the Pseudo-Symmacian forgeries, Donations of Constantine and the Pseudo Isadorian decretals. There is nothing in scripture which binds the legacy from Peter to Rome only. Peter is a type that is a literary device for the high preist. You RCs do a category error when it comes to the priestly order. The bishops do not actually represent the Apostels. The Apostels are represented by the priest in each diocese. The Bishop represents Christ. Read the Gospels and you will clearly see how Christ acts as a bishop when the Apostels baptise people, just like the ordinary priests do today. Only after Pentecost do the Apostels fully work as Bishops, i.e. as Christ. All bishops are Peter. You have made a category above the bishop that doesn't exist.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

Clearly you have not read the book, which argues that Peter has primacy and is the origin of the episcopacy.@@markroth6232

On that the there's no "other way in which the truth can be made manifest when there are discussions concerning the faith." This is about making the truth more manifest, which is true. A decision by all made the truth more manifest. Yet a decision by only one can made the truth manifest too, tho in a lesser way. Which is why before that sentence we have the council saying: "For although the grace of the Holy Spirit abounded in each one of the Apostles, so that no one of them needed the counsel of another in the execution of his work, yet they were not willing to define on the question then raised touching the circumcision of the Gentiles, until being gathered together they had confirmed their own several sayings by the testimony of the divine Scriptures." So actually each of the apostles had no need for another's counsel (the pope doesn't need other). But they gathered together and counseled with another (Acts15) to made the truth more manifes the pope can go against the concil is manifested in Chalcedon when Leo quashed the agreed-by-all canon 28.

@nickcalibey6178

7 ай бұрын

Hey Cameron, This reading of the 8th session seems similar to Ybarra's in his article on the subject. I don't think it works, though. Let me start by citing the passage (all these citations are from Price's translation): "(3) It happened that Vigilius was staying in this imperial city and ought to have taken part in everything that was mooted concerning these Three chapters, and had often condemned them both orally and in writing; afterwards he also agreed in writing to attend the council and discuss these Three chapters together with us, so that we might all produce in common a decree corresponding to the orthodox faith. So our most pious emperor, in accordance with what had been resolved among us, urged both Vigilius and ourselves to meet together, since it is appropriate for priests to impose a common solution on common problems. Accordingly, we necessarily besought his reverence to fulfil his written promises, saying that it was not right that the cause of stumbling arising from these Three chapters should increase and thereby unsettle the church of God. But when, although often invited both by us all and in addition by the most glorious officials sent to him by the most pious emperor, he postponed heeding these requests and admonitions and attending, we recalled to his memory the great example of the apostles and the traditions of the fathers. For even though individual apostles abounded with the grace of the Holy Spirit so that they did not need the advice of others over what had to be transacted, yet they had no wish to decide in any other way the question that was mooted, whether the Gentiles ought to be circumcised, before they met together and each of them confirmed his statements from the testimonies of the divine scriptures. Accordingly it was in common that they all pronounced judgement on the matter, writing to the Gentiles and stating in a declaration that 'when we all assembled together it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose no other burden on you except these necessary things, that you abstain from what has been offered to idols, from blood, from what has been strangled, and from fornication.'" (110-111) I don't see the passage talking about degrees of making truth manifest, in fact I don't think that's the thrust at all. Obviously truth can manifest in a variety of ways, whether that's in a council, a bishop, a monk, or a layperson. St. Maximus manifested truth standing up to the Monothelites. Laypeople who denounced Nestorius stood for the truth. But *none* of those could bind the whole Church in a dogmatic decree, which is exactly what the Apostles did in Acts 15. The Fathers of the 5th council cite it for this reason: even though the Apostles did not need to consult one another in their day-to-day affairs, they met in council when making binding decrees against heresy. This is why the passage is full of conciliar language. "Vigilius...ought to have taken part in everything [i.e. the council]." The Fathers urged him to attend so that "we might all produce in common a decree...since it is appropriate for priests [bishops] to impose a common solution on common problems." The Apostles "in common...pronounced judgment" since "they had no wish to decide in any other way the question that was mooted...before they met together." What the passage doesn't say is that the Apostles could have made binding decisions on their own but chose not to because they thought it would be more appropriate to do so in common. It says they refused to make pronouncement before meeting in council. This is even more evident in the following two paragraphs in the same session. Emphases are mine: "(4) The holy fathers also who convened at various times in the holy four councils **followed ancient precedent and decreed in common** on heresies and problems that had arisen, since it is certain that it is **through join examination,** when there is expounded what needs to be discussed on both sides, that the light of truth dispels the darkness of lies. "(5) **For neither is it permissible in the case of the faith for anyone to anticipate the judgement of the church in her totality, since each person needs the help of his neighbour,** as Solomon says in Proverbs, 'A brother who provides help to his brother will be raised up like a fortified city, and is strong like a kingdom with foundations,' and again he says in Ecclesiastes, 'Two are better than one, and they have a good reward for their labour, because if one falls his comrade will raise him up; and woe to that single man when he falls and there is no second man to raise him up,' [I omit the rest since it is just more Scriptural passages]." (111) The Fathers see the other 4 councils, as well as the current one, as following the same pattern as the Apostles -- councils must be convened to decree on matters of faith in a binding matter. They even go so far as to reject the idea that any one person can "anticipate the judgement of the church in her totality," which seems a far cry from Gasser's *Relatio* concerning *ex cathera* statements! We see something similar at the start of the 7th session when the quaestor Constantine relates the back and forth about Vigilius delivering the *Constitutum* to the emperor: "Those of us who were bishops replied to him, 'If, in accordance with what was resolved in the correspondence between ourselves, your beatitude and the most holy patriarchs and most religious bishops, you order a meeting and a discussion of the Three Chapters, **and [intend] to issue with all of us a decree in accordance with the orthodox faith, as the holy apostles, the holy fathers, and the four councils did when a common question arose, we recognize you as our head and father and primate.**''' (76-77) Again, the way to make decrees in the face of heresy is to do so in council, just as the Apostles did, just as the Fathers did, just as the Ecumenical Councils did. But even if we were to grant your reading, and that we're talking about degrees of manifestation and that the language could perhaps allow for other extraordinary forms of proclaiming dogma, it still doesn't work. The Fathers depose Vigilius and strike his name from the diptychs precisely because he went back on his condemnation of the Three chapters and *did not attend the council*. But, if Vatican I is correct, then Vigilius doesn't need to attend a council since he can make an *ex cathedra* statement. Indeed, he even wrote his own decree in the *Constitutum*, which was a direct attack on the proceedings of the council! So he's being condemned for something that he's fully within his right to do, especially since he didn't summon the council (St. Justinian did), and was even dragged across the whole Empire against his will to attend it.

@cameroncampbell7706

7 ай бұрын

@@nickcalibey6178 thank you very much for clearing this up, I want to convert to Orthodoxy but Catholicism is still a hurdle I have yet to fully leap across.

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So how exactly do you think the Church should be governed? Among the options are papal despotism, a committee of bishops, the puppet bishops of a secular dictator, or just general chaos. My country is governed by the King-in-Council, and laws are made by the King-in-Parliament. Some similar system for governing the Church is what I would advocate, and apparently the Second Vatican Oecumenical Council agrees with me, but no existing Church uses this system as a matter of fact.

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

Church is governed by the Lord through the Holy Spirit. Regional heads are Bishops who congregate and form local council resolving local problems and questions. That is it. Simple.

@bridgefin

4 ай бұрын

I give you Cephas the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. Done.

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

@@bridgefin I have answered to your heretical statement like this one already. You are free to believe anything but Lord hates heresies... See document titled: Against Jovinianus by St. Jerome, Book I.

@bridgefin

4 ай бұрын

@@johnnyd2383 Second time you mentioned Jovinianus. I suggest you make you point here and support it.

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

@@bridgefin Support what.? Jovinianus was a heretic and St. Jerome writes a document refuting his heresies... find a document and read it completely. Do your homework yourself. I am not going to do it for you. It is about your skin after all.. mine is fine being in the Holy Orthodox Church.

Were all bishops originally equal by divine right as to their authority? Did Jesus establish a visible Church with a visible head?

@AisElliott

3 ай бұрын

Other than Peter essentially the era's and region's politics that determined succession and chain of command. For us modern people, a lot of us exposed to Christianity through the spirit of Protestantism, such irrational and unofficial means is utterly dissatifying but it is the truth. Pretty much the west Mediterranean is going to see things different from the east Mediterranean, than the Ethiopians, West Asians, inevitably the Europeans, etc.

nice now no one needs the book!

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

If details mean nothing I suppose...

Glory to God ❤

Various spellings of "katholick" (Grk.) or "universalis" (Latin) -- both mean the same in English: "universal, all-inclusive, encompassing the world". "Universalis" is, in fact the adjective used by Roman Emperor Constantine to impose the religion formulated at his order, by delegates to his Council at Nicaea (AD 325-27). He wanted UNITY among all these violently disagreeing "Christian" churches. Commanded "delegates" were the leaders of any church or significantly large group in the Empire which called itself "Christian". Most of the doctrinal arguement, which had actually caused some of the churches to go to war with each other, was over "Was Christ God?" and "Who was God? Was He One, Two, or Three Divine Persons?" From "The CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA", 1913 ed., article "The History of Christian Thought", Vol.1, p.258): "Constantine called the council to put an end to this troublesome disunity. As to the outcome of the council, he cared not himself, but on the advice of a Spanish advisor, a priest, the emperor called for an 'East-West Synod' at the council to settle it. Most had no opinion. Of the minority who stayed behind to vote, the '3 in 1' idea carried by a slim margin." Quite obviously then, the Roman Catholic Church was NEVER God's "church" (eclessia - "those called out"). And every other "Catholic" denomination, along with Rome's protesting "sister-churches", are just as man-made and pagan. The "immortal soul". Going to Heaven at death. An ever-burning "Hell" where souls may be tortured in fire forever, and ever, and ever, and ever, etc. Praying to people that are dead. Weekly Sabbath changed to Sunday. The Roman Christmas/Saturnalia. The Greek celebration of Easter ("Eastre" or "Oestre" was the ancient Greek goddess of fertility). These are just a few of the absolutely non-Biblical traditions that most churches calling themselves some form of "Christian" still believe and promote to this day. All of them come directly from The Roman Catholic Church - none of them from the Bible.

Your first postulate that “the early church was episcopal” is unsupported by the actual scriptures and at least a good century of time. It took this turn, but why suppose the fledgling ecclesiastical hierarchy was salubrious?

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

8 күн бұрын

The Scriptures are in fact episcopal.

St Peter.

The early church was “the church of Christ.”

@tony1685

6 ай бұрын

and they (His church) have forever kept all Ten Commandments ~ including Ex 20:8-11, the 7th day Sabbath. according to Scripture, of course.

@walterlahaye2128

6 ай бұрын

@@tony1685 , Oh no they didn’t! Because there was a change in the priesthood, there had to be a change in the law also. (HEBREWS 7:12) The New Testament is a better covenant, enacted upon better promises (HEBREWS 8:6). Christ took the Old Testament law out of the way, nailing it to the cross (COLOSSIANS 2:14).

@tony1685

6 ай бұрын

@@walterlahaye2128 please try to grasp the context of that passage, friend. it's dealing with the priesthood no longer being Levitical - Jesus wasn't a Levite. God law can never change - see Psalm 111:7-8 and/or Jesus' Words in Luke 16:17 and Colossians was speaking of Moses law - written in ordinances n statutes. again not about God's law.

@walterlahaye2128

6 ай бұрын

@@tony1685 , Please grasp that we’re NOT under that Mosaic Law today. The law of Moses could not take away sin. As we read of course , in (HEBREWS 10:4)

@walterlahaye2128

6 ай бұрын

@@tony1685 , There’s only one way to be saved friend, which is the “Apostles Doctrine.” It is also called “the church of Christ.” “Nominal Christianity.” God did not create denominations, and denominations are not going to heaven!

Sancta Maria ora pro nobis

Is this from which Orthodox Church? Ukrainian, Russian, Russian-Ukrainian, Ukrainian-Russian, etc...?

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

3 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter. It's a collab between Russian and Ukrainian technically.

Add that they're currently worshipping the devil, as they did for a long time. All glory to Christ!!!

How do you explain this sort of letters? Maximus the confessor, Opuscula theologica et polemica, Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 90 "The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confesses the Lord Look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, According to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed. For, from the descent of the Incarnate Word amongst us, all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation Seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her, That she has the keys of the orthodox confession and right faith in Him, that she opens the true and exclusive religion to such men as approach with piety, and she shuts up and locks every heretical mouth which speaks against the Most High."

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

3 күн бұрын

Ir is covered in my book, though some scholars think they can potentially be forgeries.

Isn’t some of this (esp. the first 1-3 minutes) rather…speculative? And what is this business about “popes” in the 3rd c.? There were none.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

4 ай бұрын

this is a summary of a book with documented claims

J

Catholic Craig is going to totally dismantle this.

@joshua_wherley

7 ай бұрын

Please respond to this comment when he does, I would be interested in seeing that.

Your assertion that "councils operated according to a UNANIMOUS as opposed to a majority vote" goes way too far even to sustain the EO view. The Arians were not on board at Nicaea, and the Judaizers dissented from the apostolic majority at Jerusalem. Anyway, if unanimity were the requirement, then papal approval WOULD be required since the pope's dissent would give the council a less than unanimous tally.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

17 күн бұрын

@@LuciusClevelandensis read commonitoriun on consensus. It means a super majority.

I have my doupts about that the early church was episcopal I think it wasnt until today

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

Read your Bible. They are called "overseer" like in 1 Timothy 3, 1 for example.

@holycrossgleam777

4 ай бұрын

@@johnnyd2383 Why are you dubing for? The term bible is false It is said on west The right term is Holy Scripture Old Tastement New Tastement My english are bad I know But im from Greece So I know better As of the overseer ill check it

@holycrossgleam777

4 ай бұрын

@@johnnyd2383 The Center of our Church is Christ itself not the bishops If the bishops fall to heresy we have to obey the Apostolic Rules

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

@@holycrossgleam777 Word Bible is in fact Greek word.

@holycrossgleam777

4 ай бұрын

@@johnnyd2383 Μάθε ελληνικήν γραμματεία πρώτα και μετά μίλα Η λέξη βίβλος είναι φραγκική επινόηση Αγία Γραφή λέγεται Και άμα θες να είσαι σωστός να τιμάς την γλώσσα του Ευαγγελίου που είναι στα ελληνικά Έτσι αδελφέ μου Μπράβο ☦️

I cant really tell if this voice ia IA or human...

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

6 ай бұрын

Its real, the editing makes it have an AI vibe though

@RafaeoNobre1

6 ай бұрын

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology I just made a comment on your other.page death to the world. Your work is absolutely fantastic and is providing me lots of insights. I have been an atheist my whole life and your channel has been a light in my life.

@fantasypvpvideos

4 ай бұрын

Olá, @@RafaeoNobre1. Recomendo mais alguns canais se não os conhece ainda: Orthodox Kyle, Ubu Petris, Wisdom of the Elders, Living Orthodox, Spiridon Bailey, Patristix. Que seu coração seja transformado pela graça de Deus.

The narrator sounds like a computer text to voice

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

He;s a real human being

@leopistis3560

7 ай бұрын

Cyborg

@CybermanKing

7 ай бұрын

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology and a real hero?

Great video, however the comment about science is erroneous. The scientific method does not confirm a theory, it only proves its plausibility.

Proff n early churxh being curupted

WHAT? Where did you get information that "Franks were against Byzantium"? Where and how?!

@princekermit0

7 ай бұрын

It was the franks that pushed the Filioque addition to the Nicene-Constantinople creed.

@thieph

5 ай бұрын

​@@princekermit0and then they pretend to be the real romans, when in reality Eastern Roman Empire was directly descendent of Roman Empire

@thieph

5 ай бұрын

It is basic hisorical knowledge for highscool, nothing conspirative😂

It's a history from an orthodox perspective, not from an only facts and data perspective.

@marcokite

7 ай бұрын

same thing

18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah. Matthew 16:18-20

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

Every bishop is a successor of st peter

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

St. Peter established Patriarchate of Antioch in the year 34 AD, prior to establishing church in Rome. Yet... Patriarchate of Antioch never claimed stupidities Rome so dearly cherish until our times... Papal claims are just as laughable as 1000 years ago.

“Rome was occupied by byzantium” u mean the Romans reclaimed Rome..

@jordandegraw1459

3 ай бұрын

Justinian the great and Belisarius

So, Balkans was under the autorithy of Pope of Rome???

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

3 ай бұрын

Yes

Jude 11. You fell for Korah's rebellion. Numbers 16:3 is what you and protestants say to the bishop of Rome.

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

Actually, that's what the RCs sadly did to the rest of the Church during the Crusades. They set parallel altars.

@johnsix.51-69

7 ай бұрын

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology 🙂

@ryrocks9487

7 ай бұрын

@@OrthodoxChristianTheologyOof. You nailed him.

@ixisinvestigator6009

7 ай бұрын

wanna know why your jesus has an eye different to other? contact me instead of worshiping this god named jesus

@johnsix.51-69

7 ай бұрын

@@ixisinvestigator6009 I know the answer, but please enlighten me lol.

Turn it off

Man. This is a bit too ... Idk chronological? ... I don't know what it exactly means that two patriarchies are in communion... ??? I mean, after the church schism 1054 people didn't consider each other real Christians anymore. But that isn't the case here, is it? No excommunicating here. So what exactly means to be in communion?

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

This may help: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGtny9qOdabdeNY.html

Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I shall build my church. ^Jesus Please note that there is no appeal beyond Jesus. Well, you could take it to his dad, I guess, but I don’t think you’re gonna get very far.

@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded

7 ай бұрын

This could apply to the Orthodox Church as well. terrible overused papistling argument.

@michaelwachira8484

7 ай бұрын

@@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded yet the early church fathers like iraneus, tertulian, cyprian of carthage approved the papacy. Why do y'all Satanistx protestants, freemasons like to attack the one holy Catholic and apostolic church? Satan could literally care less about your schismatics church that's why God punished y'all to the Muslims while he saved us for them especially at the battle of lepanto. So are you going to party with your Satanist brothers and sisters now?

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

1 Cor 3,11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Can you not find anywhere a human voice to tell this serious story ? I can not listen this video due to Ai voice

@AisElliott

Ай бұрын

It's actually a human voice. I was surprised too.

The presentation itself provides a stunning historical context of the history of papal authority however; the said presentation is _fraught_ with inaccuracies and inconsistent storylines, as the author makes no citations from the Church Fathers who have consistently backed the doctrine that communion with Rome has been the tenet of ecclesiastical conciliarism. Furthermore, the opinion that Rome's failed challenge to reclaim lost territory in Ephesus isn't even backed by a source. This doesn't even address the _undisputed challenge_ that the Church in Corinth didn't even question Clement's claim of authority toward jurisdiction when he ordered their Church to obey his Epistle. Why didn't they cite being under the jurisdiction of John who was still alive at that time? Not a cinch of data was even expressed about Victor's threat to excommunicate the East in 135 regarding the date of celebrating Easter, when the Eastern churches cited receiving the date of the Tradition from John instead of attempting to return the excommunication. All these proofs highlighting papal authority within the Early Church dashed under the carpet while the so-called 'See of Constantinople' wasn't even invented yet, much less recognized by Church Fathers until the latter 280s. And, of course, what's a great way of proving Orthodox doctrine without mentioning the historic occasions where the Eastern churches fell into the Arian heresy, and had to consult the good-old Roman Catholic Church for assistance in straightening their doctrine, less their entire line of bishops continued to teach questionable literature on the nature of Christ

@OrthodoxChristianTheology

7 ай бұрын

One is supposed to follow up on all those details which are addressed in the book referenced in the end.

@Splendiferous-qh6rr

4 ай бұрын

Time for you to study "The Rise and Fall of the Papacy" by Craig Truglia! Read also "Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy".

Hold to Peter. schism.

@michaelwachira8484

7 ай бұрын

Yet the early church fathers like cyprian of carthage, tertullian, iraneus of lyons etc approved of it. That's why God and the blessed virgin Mary saved us from Muslims and not y'all with your schism I. 1054

There were no "defaults" to the primacy of Peter. Only Peter received the keys to the kingdom, a clear sign of authority. Only those elected to be his successor receives that authority. Stop making up stories to support your agenda.

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

St. Peter established Patriarchate of Antioch in the year 34 AD, prior to establishing church in Rome. Yet... Patriarchate of Antioch never claimed stupidities Rome so dearly cherish until our times... Papal claims are just as laughable as 1000 years ago.

@bridgefin

4 ай бұрын

@@johnnyd2383 The church was established by Christ and began at Pentecost. Peter has the keys. Jesus told Peter that whatever he bound on earth was bound in Heaven and that he personally have the keys of authority. Maybe you should follow Jesus and not the rebels.

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

@@bridgefin "But you say, Matthew 16, 18 the Church was founded upon Peter: although elsewhere the same is attributed to all the Apostles, and they all receive the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and the strength of the Church depends upon them all alike..." (Against Jovinianus - Jerome, Book I)... See how heretic Jovinianus thought Church being founded on Peter and St. Jerome corrected him. So the Latin church is heretical.

@bridgefin

4 ай бұрын

@@johnnyd2383 You: "But you say, Matthew 16, 18 the Church was founded upon Peter: although elsewhere the same is attributed to all the Apostles, Jesus: And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, Me: Jesus said he build the church upon Cephas. You: and they all receive the keys of the kingdom of heaven, Jesus: I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Me: The "you" is the second person SINGULAR. Sorry, only Peter has the keys. You: See how heretic Jovinianus thought Church being founded on Peter and St. Jerome corrected him. Me: ??

@johnnyd2383

4 ай бұрын

@@bridgefin Read one verse before Matt 16, 18 and you will find upon Whom the Church was founded. Also, read the following: (1 Cor 3,11) For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. ... Pope is heretic and you are brainwashed.

Very wrong👎👎👎👎

nonsense - catholicism has never been Christianity. God's church upholds Truth - 1 Tim 3:15 His Law/Ten Commandments ARE Truth - Psalm 119:142, 151 therefore, those churches who aren't keeping and teach Exodus 20:8-11, the LORD's day being the 7th day Sabbath - they are in apostasy.

Im not buying this. Viva Cristo Rey 👑🙏💪✝️