Socrates being an SCP that could be anywhere in Athens but is more likely to appear when you think of him is hilarious.

@mrbyzantine0528

Жыл бұрын

The trick is that you tend to notice something more often when you're thinking about it. In this case, you're more likely to notice the presence of Socrates when thinking about him, at which point he'd turn and lock eyes with you. Then it's too late.

@freedfg6694

Жыл бұрын

Item #: SCP-399BC Object class: Neutralized Description: SCP-399BC denotes an anomalous humanoid being, true name "Socrates" this being did not require containment before self-neutralization. This being would walk the streets of the town of Athens philosophizing to the statements made by a certain individual it has targeted. Expressing concern, or even wariness of SCP-399BC being within earshot seems to summon it. But agents could not discern if this was factual or perceived

@mitchellblake1475

Жыл бұрын

He's like non-genocidal Voldemort

@Archgeek0

Жыл бұрын

@@mitchellblake1475 Today on _Rare Sentences_ ... XD

@Bluecho4

Жыл бұрын

Incorrect. He's an SCP who appears whenever you vocalize a definite political, philosophical, ethical, or religious position. Whereupon he deconstructs your worldview, question by question, until you're left a gibbering mess on the floor.

Plato was probably the wisest featherless chicken the world had ever seen

@priyankadeshpande1514

Жыл бұрын

Ayy, I still love that anecdote so much

@jacks1368

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't it a featherless chicken?

@maxteraform

Жыл бұрын

@@jacks1368 Yes, and I corrected it now

@Johnrich395

Жыл бұрын

I got that reference!

@bazzfromthebackground3696

Жыл бұрын

It's either a "plucked chicken" or "a miserable pile of secrets."

I love how Socrates was both the father of western philosophy and also a guy so annoying that it got him executed.

@bielknife

Жыл бұрын

I personally prefer so annoying he ended up sentencing himself to death out of stubbornness

@fullmetallemer6818

Жыл бұрын

To my limited knowledge, that's how philosophy works

@ethanstyant9704

Жыл бұрын

It gets better because he had a chance to get out and he willingly chose not to. "Hey Socrates could you be a little less of a pain in the ass?" I would rather die

@DewDrops-

Жыл бұрын

Them probably: “then you shall die!!!”

@bobs_toys

Жыл бұрын

​@@ethanstyant9704 that sounds like a common conversation with my daughter.

Let’s not forget the most important part of Plato: that name means “broad-shouldered” and was given to him by his wrestling coach. Plato was jacked.

@agustinvenegas5238

Жыл бұрын

Can't help but picture a ripped 50yo bald guy writing on a piece of parchment, flexing a bit, and then continuing to write

@DreamingGod05

Жыл бұрын

Plato is basically what would happen if John Cena decided to be a world-renowned philosopher and not an actor.

@Ollebolle112

Жыл бұрын

Plato "the rock" Johnson

@zipzapper0

Жыл бұрын

I like to imagine the quote "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" As a response to a request for a rematch.

@lsedge7280

Жыл бұрын

@@DreamingGod05 We've never actually seen John Cena and Plato in the same room together.

"The average citizen had exactly 2 fears, the war with Sparta and talk with socretes" and in that moment I drank my coffee and it came directly out my nose

@juliasophical

Жыл бұрын

I'm imagining the poor citizen having that same look on their face as the antagonists do whenever they see Lt. Columbo approaching with more questions. And yes, in my mind the part of Socrates is played by Peter Falk.

@balabanasireti

Жыл бұрын

No one asked

@sytritewarum5720

Жыл бұрын

​@@balabanasireti And yet, they so graciously volunteered this information despite that. Good on them for sharing an amusing anecdote.

@Never_Gonna_Give_You_Up._Hi

Жыл бұрын

@@balabanasireti No one asked you either.

@joaomrtins

Жыл бұрын

@Evil Laughs the name checks out 😂

Diogenes: I promise I'm not going to argue with Plato tonight *3 drinks later* Diogenes: Hey Plato why do you fucking hate poor people

@TheQuote0

Жыл бұрын

Lies. Diogenes would never promise that.

@averyn34

Жыл бұрын

@@TheQuote0 Fair enough

@rabanryssel137

Жыл бұрын

​​@@TheQuote0 He would, but then he would throw feces at plato because it doesn't count as arguing if you Don't speak while doing it

@stevejakab274

Жыл бұрын

I'll take Diogenes over Plato and Socrates any day.

@CollinMcLean

Жыл бұрын

@@stevejakab274 Diogenes actually revered Socrates and despised Plato because he considered him an improper successor to Socrates' legacy, supposedly he instead held his pupil Antisthenes in high regard.

Socrates was like "Plato, my best pupil. You gotta make sure these Athens can never truly get rid of me." And then drank poison.

@Nuggette

Жыл бұрын

"Killing me will only make me stronger!"

@apocyan

Жыл бұрын

@@Nuggette "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

@ValeBridges

11 ай бұрын

@@apocyan "A hero cannot be defeated simply by making him die!"

I like that Socrates wasn't just a contrarian, he legitimately just loved philosophy.

@idkwhattotype4704

Жыл бұрын

“Dude I’m genuinely curious! Why are you accusing that man of impiety? What is impiety to you?” And on and on and on and on and on! And Socrates would just have a good day, aware that he probably ruined the other person’s beliefs

@jeffgoldblunt

Жыл бұрын

​@@idkwhattotype4704 socrates was just autistic

@AmberMaytions

Жыл бұрын

@@idkwhattotype4704 I’ve tried it several times and I usually just get ignored or mocked for it. Funny how when people are asked to explain their ideas, no matter how genuinely, they’d rather do anything else lol.

@idkwhattotype4704

Жыл бұрын

@@AmberMaytions Based on what I have observed, no one likes to question their own beliefs when it is prompted by someone else. Most of the time, self reflection only feels satisfying when you yourself did it.

@TAP7a

Жыл бұрын

People tend to be intimidated by people with overt driving passions and goals, and to then dress that up as annoyance and frustration is just classic ego protection Of course, these days people who are both financially successful and highly driven and goal hungry tend to be awful people, so a certain level of prejudicial distaste is somewhat justified (adding the financially successful clause tends to filter out those unwilling to engage in behaviours like exploitation, which is the foundation of all wealth for the past… ever)

Since the name 'plato' comes from his wrestler nickname, I firmly believe that if plato ever "lost" in a philosophical debate, his retoure would be just to deck the other dude

@Duiker36

Жыл бұрын

I feel like wrestling doesn't actually include much punching.

@mcmosfet2856

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know, no records exist of Plato punching out Diogenes, so sadly Plato probably left his wrasslin' days behind him.

@ShanRenxin

Жыл бұрын

It’s all fun and games until someone suplexes you in the middle of the symposium

@yetanother9127

Жыл бұрын

@@Duiker36 Modern wrestling doesn't, but pankration (the form of wrestling Plato practiced) definitely did include punching, kicking, and all sorts of other techniques that wouldn't be considered "wrestling" today. Only biting and eye-gouging were forbidden.

@Blue-Maned_Hawk

Жыл бұрын

Nah, nah, he'd be happy to "lose". He'd deck them if they were unwilling to change their mind in the face of evidence they have no counter to.

Plato’s cave was actually where he kept all his collectors items figurines, Xbox, PC, HD TV, manga, movies and his gamer chair.

@brya9681

Жыл бұрын

All his funko pops

@blacksage2375

Жыл бұрын

Surprisingly accurate since just as the cave showcases only shadows of the real… so too do nerds need to leave the cave and touch grass from time to time.

@alchemicpink2392

Жыл бұрын

None of his Socrates figurines had panties and all of them had correct anatomy.

@Just_Tandav

Жыл бұрын

@@alchemicpink2392 just like a nerd likes

@isaacjensen7318

Жыл бұрын

And Saddam Hussein

Plato did not lose his philosopher status. Unlike Pluto that lost its Planet status.

@emmarichardson965

Жыл бұрын

TOO SOON!!

@lalitthapa101

Жыл бұрын

Ufff Pluto was kicked out from the planet gang but this one will hurt the dwarf planet the most⚰

@corgi42069

Жыл бұрын

You're grounded.

@corgi42069

Жыл бұрын

@@lalitthapa101 Nah, Pluto is probably happier as one of the larger dwarf planets than the tiniest regular planet.

@kingofdragons7

Жыл бұрын

At least he didn't lost his status a god

Wasn’t it Socrates’ trial where the margin to have him executed was larger than the margin that found him guilty? Like, the margin for guilty out of a jury of 500 was something like 280-220 but the margin to kill him was 390-110? So basically they was part of that jury was like, “this man is innocent but DAMN he’s ANNOYING!” 😂😂 Edit: I checked my source, the margin to execute him was 360-140

@AegixDrakan

Жыл бұрын

That one particular anecdote just makes this whole thing even more incredible. People who voted for him not to get punished in the first vote flipped and voted for his death in the next one. Now that's nutty!

@eclipserepeater2466

Жыл бұрын

Kind of amazing that 140 out of 501 jurors thought it would be legit to give him his proposed "punishment" :p

@krankarvolund7771

Жыл бұрын

@@AegixDrakan Given the proposed punishment, I'd think they could have flipped their vote in reaction to his behaviour like "Okay, he's clearly of bad faith here and don't want to accept a punishment". In the modern judicial system, I think it would be the equivalent of contempt to court XD

@nidhogg8446

Жыл бұрын

I like to think it's the people that had only heard of him but never knew him First like "Okay this guy can Not be that bad, and those aren't even real crimes this is weird" Then after actually hearing him talk "Ok no fuck that guy"

@ameliahall7337

Жыл бұрын

It's because he didn't come up with a real counter offer for a punishment, once the court had already found him guilty the jurors knew he had to be punished so they voted for the actual punishment because Socrates' own suggestion was a joke

Socrates: "What is a human?" Plato: "A human is a featherless biped" Diogenes: "Look, a chicken with the feathers plucked off, what a human, lol" Soc & Plato: "Dude, wtf?"

@Significantharrassment

Жыл бұрын

What a based fatherless biped Diogenes was...

@SaintofQuartz

Жыл бұрын

A miserable pile of secrets.

@sytritewarum5720

Жыл бұрын

​@@SaintofQuartz I mean, yes, but now I'm questioning if Diogenes would have even qualified under this definition... I mean, it's diogenes...

Socrates was that guy that goes around with a microphone in public, interviewing random people.

@santiagogarza8121

Жыл бұрын

Only he was actually smart

@DDlambchop43

Жыл бұрын

so, he was a sovcit?

@CollinMcLean

Ай бұрын

I'm now just imaging a muscular Billy Eichner or Jordan Klepper in a toga.

The idea that a rogue stone in the middle of the road, a suspicious looking guard, a rattling on a boat, a woman you saw in the street, or a shadow peaking from the aqueduct could be Socrates is hilarious to me. The jury decided to implement the “Socrates Nowhere” System.

The man who fears only Socrates and Sparta is a man who has never met Diogenes.

@simonschnedl

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, it was easier to avoid Diogenes because you could smell him from a mile away.

@DragonbIaze052

11 ай бұрын

To be fair, Diogenes only went after the influential. If you were some random person on the street, you were (mostly) safe.

As a man with a philosophy degree myself, I can attest that The dialogues are some of the most fun works to read

@CAP198462

Жыл бұрын

What made them fun? What even is fun? Can you know something is fun while doing it or is it only after it’s finished that you call it fun?

@annabeinglazy5580

Жыл бұрын

Ironically i can remember His cave metaphor from Back in high school and it was the one Bit of philosophy i Loathed. But that was because i disliked epistemology in General and thought ethics and social theory were the "useful" philosophy. I was 18 and man, it showed. Would be interesting to read it now that im 30 and im a Bit less obnoxious 😅

@toprak3479

Жыл бұрын

@@annabeinglazy5580 Same

@balabanasireti

Жыл бұрын

No one asked

@menhera758

11 ай бұрын

​@@CAP198462OH NO HES BACK

I'm absolutely SHOCKED that you haven't done Livy. Virtually 99.9% of everything we know about Rome is thanks almost exclusively to him, his style inspired generations of historians on a level rivaling Herodotus and Thucydides, and he made sure to put as much day-to-day detail in his history as he could without simply limiting himself to the actions of the major players. TL;DR, History Makers: Livy next.

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

What if Livy just made it all up? Kinda sketchy having just a single source, is it not? And that source isn't even the original source, or a copy of the original, but a suppose copy of a copy of a copy etc. The earliest 'sources' we have don't even go back to the renaissance, as they somehow lost all the originals, and they also somehow lost the copies of those originals History is just made up, and we agree on whatever narrative it is for convenience, otherwise we'd have to admit we know far less than we think we do

@dorkandproudofit

Жыл бұрын

@pyropulse The same could be argued about Herodotus and Thucydides, both of whom are featured on this channel. Like them, Archaeology has to a good extent confirmed a lot of what Livy wrote down.

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

@@dorkandproudofit Archaeology has not confirmed anything that was written down. There are massive room for interpretation, and they 'fit' things to the given paradigm. For instance, battles happen everywhere; whatever they find by itself, as the pure evidence, does not tell us the story of what happened or who fought; that comes from the paradigm and narrative, of which is established via such sources as "Liv." But if you just look at the pure evidence from archeology, we wouldn't learn a fraction of what we learn from so-called 'legit books' and 'ancient sources.' I am in academia, I know how the process works. "We" are a modern day priestly class

@dorkandproudofit

Жыл бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI So... by your logic, there's literally no point in studying ANY history of ANY era on the off chance that it MIGHT all be lies.

@blackjoker2345

Жыл бұрын

@@dorkandproudofit No, Science by it's nature must be taken on faith, but the faithful must also hold the belief that they should also be ready to drop everything they once believed in in the face of greater evidence. Nothing is ever "Proven" in science, just a list of things we've yet to disprove.

Socrates, 2500 years after his death, still instills fear in the hearts of Greek students trying to mind their business

@Makaneek5060

4 ай бұрын

You there! Tell me at once, do you mean student Greeks or Greek-students?

@elizatilsizoglou5946

4 ай бұрын

​@@Makaneek5060 I mean Greek (ethnicity) high schoolers, who have to put up with ancient Greek in order to get in university

@Makaneek5060

4 ай бұрын

@@elizatilsizoglou5946 Veeery interesting my student, now why would the youth be ashamed of their countryman who gave his all to keep a few minds in shape?

@thanasiisdi288

2 ай бұрын

​@@Makaneek5060it's more so that ancient greek is hard but also I don't think greek schools do any Plato in school so idk

@arest.3703

Ай бұрын

@@thanasiisdi288 They 100% do in highschool. I still have lingering trauma from that and it's been almost 7 years since then.

The fact that OSP's version of Plato's head was accurately edited into the ancient artworks is an amazing detail. You never cease to amaze me guys!

During philosophy class about a year ago, I found out that one of my friends, who is half greek, mom wanted to name him Sokrates. And now having learned about how Sokrates was actually like the name would've fit him so well. I had many annoying discuccions with him where he'd continue to poke holes in my perceived reality. On a side note: My dad wanted to name me Confucius, which would've been hilarious because I am quite intrigued by his thoughts.

@rudolfambrozenvtuber

10 ай бұрын

Do you think nepotism good actually?

I minored in philosophy in college. Plato's allegory of the cave still lives rent free in my mind.

@santiagogarza8121

Жыл бұрын

Does it? Or is it just the flame casting the shadow of the allegory to the back of your mind?

@Tusitala1967

Жыл бұрын

You must adore West World.

@stevejakab274

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that's the philosophy of conspiracy theorists around the world, and has caused great harm occasionally (see: Jan 6th, 2021).

I knew that Plato was quite possibly as jacked as Henry Cavill or Jason Momoa, but learning that Socrates was basically a teleporting nightmare was a real surprise for me.

@joshuaizly5502

Жыл бұрын

Weren't they all jacked because the Gymnasiums were the place to socialise and discuss philosophy in Athens?

@stewartgames6697

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuaizly5502 But Plato was mega jacked because he was a champion belt winning wrestler in his youth. "Plato" was actually a shortening of "Platon", or "Broad", his wrestling handle that his coach gave him because he had such a wide back and strong, manly shoulders. He also was hunchbacked and had a weird, lumpy skull, hence Blue calling him a "goblin" in the video, but he was a powerful and strong goblin!

@foldabotZ

Жыл бұрын

@@stewartgames6697 It's like if Dwayne Johnson became a philosophy scholar instead of an actor after retiring from wrestling but everyone still call him "The Rock."

@joshuaizly5502

Жыл бұрын

@@stewartgames6697 oh I did not know that, thanks for the anecdote

@joshuaizly5502

Жыл бұрын

@@foldabotZ yeah that and also imagine people in thousands of years thinking his name was Therock without understanding the meaning of the nickname or even that it is one.

We've all had that friend who is so interesting and/or opinionated that we can't help but imagine them in various situations reacting in that trademark way they do.

I want a plat-o waffles

@nathanthaxton7492

Жыл бұрын

I took would like a plat-o waffles.

@Private-Potato

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanthaxton7492 too bad, I took the last plat-o-waffles.

@brantbowers6368

Жыл бұрын

Got 'em

@nathanthaxton7492

Жыл бұрын

@@Private-Potato How dare

@Private-Potato

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanthaxton7492 I dare

Ah yes, Suicidal Socrates. That's what our class nicknamed him when we read Apology, Crito and Phaedo in Ancient Greek class. At 16-17 y/o we didn't quite appreciate the philosophy for what it wanted to teach yet and mostly just went about poking fun at how eager Socrates seemed to die.

@simonschnedl

Жыл бұрын

Average Teenager.

@bahnankhayre9534

4 ай бұрын

Bro this was me with eternal recurrence I was like “what do you mean I can’t change anything then what’s even the point?” Gosh I was so ignorant probably still am

OMG using the Galactic Republics emblem on The Republic is pure genius! Well played Blue, well played!

Ok, since the question at the end was “why don’t we do this more often” I kinda of want to give my own personal answer as to why. For one, I believe that the discussion, over millennia, has transformed from a method of discovering truth, to a method of showing intellectual dominance over another. Discussion using the Socratic method, especially in today’s spaces, can feel aggressive, stepping forward into someone’s personal mind to see what they think. A discussion is something that, nowadays, we like to see as a fight of words, trying to thrust your ideals on top of someone else’s, instead of trying to figure out why someone believes those ideals in the first place. That’s just a small part of it, but I think it’s a part of it.

@akhragee

Жыл бұрын

I'll add that this isn't an "over millennia" thing, it's just the last century. Just look at how much of Renaissance and Industrial thought is documented in letters between both friends and rivals. It was, very specifically, the advent of *live-broadcast* political debate that started transforming the entire concept of debate from "collaborating in search of truth" into "convincing the audience that you're right."

@ButterflyScarlet

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this, especially with the advent of social media and the need to moralize every aspect of one's life and entertainment. It is not enough to simply disagree or dislike someone, you have to find some ethical flaw in them to justify those feelings. I've seen actual writers claim they refuse to read classical works because the 1800s author was a bigot and therefore their impact on modern literature is worthless. Socratic discussion at its heart is supposed to be an exchange and a dialogue. Nowadays any debate is about beating the other person over the head with your opinion until they either agree or give up. (Disclaimer, bigotry is still wrong. I'm not playing centrist here)

@theotherohlourdespadua1131

10 ай бұрын

​​@@akhrageeIsn't that the point of a debate: convince you that your point is right? Can we really describe the Socratic Method as a "debate" or a "dialogue"?

Interesting that Galileo also chose the dialogue as a way to show his ideas of a heliocentric system in his writings thereby allowing the reader to draw their own conclusions as well.

@thomasrinschler6783

Жыл бұрын

Except he named the debater on the geocentric side "Simplicio" (basically "Stupid") and made him look the fool on more than one occasion. Galileo only very thinly veiled which side of the debate he thought was the correct one. That, and personally insulting the Pope, who was a personal friend and had allowed (even encouraged) him to write the book, by putting the Pope's words into Simplicio's mouth at the very end, got him into all his subsequent trouble...

@stevejakab274

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there was nothing like "draw your own conclusions". It was about science, not philosophy, and Galileo knew he was right.

@simonschnedl

Жыл бұрын

​@@stevejakab274 There's a difference between being right and being a dick about it.

@lettersandnumbers21

11 ай бұрын

@@stevejakab274 Galileo had no grounds to 'know' he was right because he could not answer the legitimate scientific objections to the apparent absence of the stellar parallax implied by a heliocentric model, and did not offer further justification for such a model over competing geoheliocentric models that did not have the same implications. Even among heliocentric models, Galileo's played second fiddle to Kepler's, because Galileo insisted on circular orbits even in the face of pretty substantial evidence in favour of Keplerian elliptical orbits.

@theotherohlourdespadua1131

10 ай бұрын

I mean, the Dialogue form gives him a cover to espouse his thoughts while satisfying the censors by presenting their views in an equal standing. It's basically reading the position papers of two litigants in a court trial and the reader is the judge who decides which of the two is true and factual...

Best guide i learned for determining the role of socrates in a dialog is that when plato is presented as a character it was an arguement posed by socrates. When plato is not present, socrates is being used as a character. This isnt flawless but it was the best rule of thumb i learned from my classics professors.

Who hopes Red talks about the Myth where Hera gets beaten up by a Spartan Queen, the Myth about the Chinese Femboy defeating the four dragons, or the myth where a Aztec god was tricked into sleeping with their sister

@theanimeunderworld8338

Жыл бұрын

Or the Trojan prince that enchanted ZEUS of all people, even before Apollo.

@airplanes_aren.t_real

Жыл бұрын

This comment will take weeks for me to fully digest and it's not even a synopsis of the actual stories

@gracequach6769

Жыл бұрын

Classic Spartan

@miro.georgiev97

Жыл бұрын

​@@theanimeunderworld8338Do you mean Ganymede? Because it's not surprising at all that horny bastard Zeus would also fancy a boy (emphasis on boy and not male more broadly-the Greeks did NOT approve of grown men pursuing other grown men, but they did approve of grown pursuing minors) as well as all the women with whom he slept.

@miro.georgiev97

Жыл бұрын

Hera got beaten up by a Spartan queen?

I love Socrates and Diogenes for their absolute status of being the most irritating people of their time, yet also being so influentially intelligent and persuasive that students followed them around as they accosted people over living their lives and saying stupid things within earshot.

Wow, talk about good timing! I literally just left a video reacting to Twitter memes where a post from someone tried to use the positioning of bread to argue that a hot dog isn't a sandwich, it's a taco. They used diagrams to define different foods, one showing that having layers is what defines a cake and someone commented "Diogenes runs up to Plato holding a Big Mac and shouts "Behold! A cake!"" which had me rolling and then the very next video I see is this. Well played, Blue.

I remember in my undergrad political theory course we read the one where the man was convincing Socrates to run away from execution and we were then assigned to write a short paper about whether or not Socrates was wise to note take it (or something like that). In the Socratic tradition I started with questioning on what is "wise" and then spent the rest of the paper trying to determine what is "wisdom" in that context that somehow got me into utilitarianism (I was in a big utilitarianism kick, and still am really). I think the main idea was that before I could answer whether Socrates was wise or not we had to define wise in the context of the relationship between law and society. I don't know, we're talking almost a decade and a half ago. Anyway, I just remember getting an A on the paper and being informed to please not do that again and just answer the prompt as given.

The fact that the video is named Plato yet focuses more on Socrates is just the perfect irony icing on the cake.

Socrates is like that one friend who responds with every answer with "why"

"This disheveled goblin" Daniel Greene is Socrates confirmed

BEHOLD! PLATO’S KZread VIDEO!

"If you squeeze the lever, I will turn into spaghetti. Please dont eat me, but you can have a small bite. I'm non-toxic. " -Plato Truly inspirational ❤

The Galactic Republic logo was a nice touch lol

I tend to get annoyed by the dialogues because of how many relevant ideas are left out of Socrates' "tell me something and I'll make you concede unknowns about it" method (which I mostly blame Plato's structuring for) but thinking about the way it's put here, you're exactly right: I AM thinking more critically about the work and I AM asking more questions than if it was really as straightforward as it seemed. So yeah, thank you

this is fanboying at its best, both from blue towards plato and from plato towards socrates

@MMurine

Жыл бұрын

Plato goes impossibly hard. Highly recommend the read. I'm fanboying too.

As Eleanor Shellstrop once said, who died and left Plato in charge of philosophy?

@amehak1922

Жыл бұрын

She mentioned Aristotle, and Chidi said Plato

@shadowldrago

Жыл бұрын

Socrates, if the video is to be believed.

@amehak1922

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowldrago Socrates was too busy helping Bill and Ted

I hope when we get Red's video it might be another mythical pride month video for the other mythological figures who didn't make the first cut From Greece there's Hermaphroditus, the bi-gendered deity of love Ganymede, who was a Trojan prince who attracted the attention of Zeus and made into the god of homosexual love and desire The west wind Zephyros (can't remember if he was mentioned or not) was part of a love triangle with Hyacinthus against Apollo Hestia also deserves some recognition as the oldest child of Kronos and Rhea and one of the three virgin goddesses with Artemis and Athena. She swore off love due to a very very unfortunate incident with another god and has dedicated her time to familiar happiness and stability

@airplanes_aren.t_real

Жыл бұрын

Same, kinda wish that she did an yearly pride video like her spooky videos

@sniccups8390

Жыл бұрын

Red does have a video about Hyacinthus somewhere on the channel.

@Kharmitas

Жыл бұрын

I mean, the myth of hermaphroditus isn't really the most aspirational tale, it's essentially a story of a nymph being rejected by a god and begging another god to override the nonconsent, with the externally imposed solution this second god bestowed upon them being "Okay, you're the same person now".

Socrates was clearly the inspiration for the Xenomorph

@NicoBabyman1

Жыл бұрын

What? Explain your case.

Socrates was the real bane of Athens sent by the Spartans to distract them

We're not going to talk about blue putting the star wars republic logo on a plato book at all? Also banger video as always

@mrbyzantine0528

Жыл бұрын

How else would you recognize the book? The title or author? You've taken the bait of debate!

@MadDragon-lb7qg

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I recognised it too!

@ambroseelon9989

Жыл бұрын

I came here to say this but in my heart I knew it had been said

It's always a good day when Blue uploads a History Makers

@paleozoey

Жыл бұрын

screenshotting this like it's a bigfoot sighting

@Stoneworks

11 ай бұрын

@@paleozoey Hi Zoey how are you

@paleozoey

10 ай бұрын

@@Stoneworks you should unban my good friend myllye she did nothing wrong. xraying and ban evasion is a victimless crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111!!!!!!

Love the emblem on the Republic

Im probably getting the wrong impression of this video, but as a child i had a dream of writing a book that just has a ton of questions like "what is the meaning of life" and its gratifying to see that something like that already exists

Socrates was just a contrarian though. The man couldn't accept an answer. And demanding that they kill him when he didn't have to die is also just contrary. Self made martyrs aren't actually martyrs

I love History-Makers: it's such a good way to explore different genres and connect important figures from other fields of study to their historical context. I also love Plato (I started the Symposion this very day!), so I must really thank you for this wonderful gift.

Wow, I absolutely love this video about Plato! It's so fascinating to learn about the history-makers who have shaped our world. I've always admired Plato's philosophies and his concept of the Allegory of the Cave. Projecting this video onto a wall of a cave sounds like an incredible way to immerse myself in his wisdom. Thank you for sharing this insightful content!

Plato makes a lot more sense if you know he won a crown of olive in wrestling at the olympic games so a lot of people were rightly hesitant to tell him to his face that he is wrong.

This makes me realize that the way I truly learn is Socratic in nature. I need to discuss what I read and research with someone else. It's been like this all my life: I remember when I was studying a shitload of Japanese in Tokyo in the very early 2000s and nothing would stick if I wouldn't speak to Japanese friends at the end of the week, and then my MA and PhD theses came into form via me discussing with my mentors, rather than any other way. I guess some things never go out of fashion.

So what you're saying is that Socrates was history's first "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" troll, and that he was So bad about it that an entire city of people decided he should die for it.

@TacComControl

Жыл бұрын

As for Plato's writing of Socrates and to the question of where the real Socrates ended and the character began... I dare say the character was there the whole time. Plato is a fanboy. His entire writing depicts his "hero" in the most "Heroic" light possible, he's basically like those really gross Kpop fans who write really, REALLY detailed fan fiction about their favorite kpop boi and what they'd like to do with them, wherein the only part of the personality in the story that matches the real person is whatever is directly portrayed by the real person, which is itself a character put on in order to gather that audience, while everything else portrayed in the writing is the writer's hero worship and wishful thinking. Seriously, you thought Dante's shitty self-insert fanfic was bad, Plato's reads like one of those twitter threads where the writer forgot that people who know them through work can read their feed and follow them and tend to get really, REALLY detailed.... grossly so.... about something they want to do with a certain celebrity or something.

@miro.georgiev97

Жыл бұрын

​@@TacComControl Oh, my God, this makes so much sense!

I genuinely learned more from this video than my entire semester in Philo 10 class

I love how enthralled in the ideas this video is

Socrates for sure one of my mentors. I probably like Alan Watts a bit more, but the idea of standing for your principles is so great. He sounds like he was a voice of reason for his time and became a martyr for his ideals. So cool.

Ill be honest I'm not really for philosophy but this has actually made me want to read plato. The only other philosophy book I've read was "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu but that was basically Sun yelling at young princes and nobles that they can't make their men march for 15 hours with low supplies.

That “Allegory of the Cave” reference in the description…

To this day, I still remember fondly my Intro to Philosophy class I took in college, and how absolutely obsessed the professor was with Socrates and Descartes, and how at the end of the semester he made us all watch the first Matrix movie and pause it frame by frame to point out the various references to classical philosophy in it.

@joshuasgameplays9850

Жыл бұрын

A true believer is the Socratic method of being really annoying.

@pathfindersavant3988

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuasgameplays9850 I actually found it the opposite. Before the class I was never really interested in the Matrix and had no real interest or excitement for the film. That class actualy made me like and enjoy it, and then made the subsequent films all the more intolerable to me.

@joshuasgameplays9850

Жыл бұрын

@@pathfindersavant3988 oh, neat.

In France we have mandatory philosophy class during the last year and Plato turned out to be one of the most interesting to study.

Midrash recognitions Midrash is basically arguments between two historical rabbi (some were the actual people and some weren’t)

Wow! It's the guy that my friends thought was Mickey Mouse's dog and not a historical figure!

@amehak1922

Жыл бұрын

That's Pluto, and he's a god.

@nataliemelody1501

Жыл бұрын

@@amehak1922 And a dwarf planet

@amehak1922

Жыл бұрын

@@nataliemelody1501 it's a real planet

@nataliemelody1501

Жыл бұрын

@@amehak1922 Astrophysics disagrees

@amehak1922

Жыл бұрын

@@nataliemelody1501 astrophysics is a collection of data, it doesn't have any opinions

This is where I remind everyone Plato wrote top/bottom discourse on Achilles and Patroclus.

I am a simple man, I See Plato, I click

More philosophers PLEASE!!!!!! Thank you for this one! ❤️🌸

Thanks Blue, love the History Makers Series!

Ever since my college days, I’ve been in fascination of philosophy. It grew even more when my history of psychology class started talking about Plato was technically the father of psychology too. I had wished I remembered more. So in other words I’m very much thankful blue that you have been covering some philosophers alongside of some famous authors/historians. Keep up the great work!

Once again, this channel has taught me something important I did not know about

Socrates able to teleport like Slenderman.

Nice job, Blue ❤ I love me some Plato

This is one of new favorite videos of yours! Wonderful

Oooo… I love that reference to Hillel the Elder at the end there.

My Mom always warned me if you're too annoying someone would kill me. Guess she heard of Plato and a city just wanting him to leave any way possible.

I really hope you would cover Alicibades someday since you mentioned him in the video. It would be so fun seeing you summarise the life of this absolute menace of a person in one video lol

@shadowldrago

Жыл бұрын

He already has.

@emilygillock3803

Жыл бұрын

It's an older video though so a remake with more absolute shenaniganry would be awesome

@envinyatar5011

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowldrago ooh, he does! welp, thank you - looks like I have something waiting to be watched now

@shadowldrago

Жыл бұрын

@@envinyatar5011 Happy to help.

@MMurine

Жыл бұрын

Alcibiades was the most dangerous twink in history.

7:25 Love the way blue demonstrates multiple types of nerd behavior at the same time

7:22 love that republic

they didn't describe socrates, they described the first redditor

Wait... was that the Galactic Republic Symbol for on the cover of the Republic? Shout out to my Jedi/clone friends then!

Love this! My favorite history channel doing philosophy!

I know you probably didn't have time, but I love that Plato is remembered by his wrestling name instead of his actual name (according to Diogenes Laertius) Aristocles. I also love the dialogues of philosophy in the Talmud and Plato's books. Something my own religion, Christianity, is *sorely* lacking and _desperately_ needs.

Plato used the Death of the Author to engage in philosophical discussion and help us find our own answers rather than just tell us what a given cocnept is Socrates didn't seem to realise that without wriitng, ideas can be forgotten if no one is around to remember them personally. Although he probably would have had an answer to that

@theotherohlourdespadua1131

10 ай бұрын

I seriously would try to debate Socrates on that. Imagine framing it like a Zeno's paradox...

Blue underestimates my desire to NOT read Plato, and my other desire of playing the new Tears of the Kingdom game.

Y'know we were taught about Socrates, Plato and Aristotle just a week ago and we're still on the topic, your video came in at the very time I needed, thank you

I've spent the last three weeks binging the ospod. So excited to be finishing it today/tomorrow.

He had a lot of platonic relationships.

Athens gave Socrates a one way ticket to tutoring Hades.

@alberich3963

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Socrates is Hades biggest fan

I really enjoyed reading some of the dialogues with my friends because we read them out (making it more immersive) and riffed on and/or had actual discussion on the things we were reading. A great time for any philosophy nerd

Thank you, you are really good at bringing these historical figures to life

I prefer the Bill and Ted pronounciation of Socrates. Interesting you have the Star Wars symbol for Republic for the cover picture for The Republic. 😉 Odd you didn't mention about Atlantis in this video.

This just reinforces the conclusion I came to while reading about Plato and Socrates for class, they are brilliant and absolute bastards for *making* people actually use critical thinking. It should happen in education more often, but the idea of that actually happening makes me want to weep. 😂 Dichotomy of student, lol.

@theotherohlourdespadua1131

10 ай бұрын

It would be nice if I am not getting punished or ridiculed for saying outside the collective narrative...

Great video. I had the joy of engaging in this kind of Socratic discussion in college at St John's, where they take this method and apply it to nearly all the classes. Very deep, thought provoking, and growth inducing. At the end of most Seminars, we would have this great feeling of creative uncertainty, not knowing anything firmly/fixedly, but seeing everything more clearly. I think the reason it is uncommon is that today we judge philosophers by what they sell us, ie. the stances they take, rather than how they help us improve ourselves.

You single handedly made my English homework so much easier

Yes Overly Sarcastic first thing in my day!

@brentmay3878

Жыл бұрын

Plato homework!

Socrates didn't exist, he was Plato's OC

I recently bought the Dialogues and they're certainly very intrestring to read. Learning through Plato how people from the past, and specially Socrates analyzed life is very enriching.

"I'd sooner be locked in a cave all my life." Ahahaha! Clever. Also, there's something about Plato that's been bothering me for years. See, in the first book of Brandon Sanderson's Alcatraz vs the Evil Librarians series, Alcatraz claims, during a rambling monologue about philosophy and sarcasm, that Plato once 'proved' that somewhere there exists a perfect slice of cheesecake. I've never been sure if Brando Sando was just making stuff up. Anyway, I think this might be my among my favourites of your videos, Blue! Fantastic work! 😀

Personally I think of plato as pretty solidly a hack, and while he has made great contributions to philosophy, it cannot be ignored that he was not nearly as smart or clever as he thought he was, and he often said things that were clearly assumed rather than pondered