History Hijinks: Another Dumb Italy Story

Plot Twist: Language is wacky, who knew.
SOURCES & Further Reading:
A hefty amount of Wiktionary trawling to check and compare etymologies
Britannica "Romance Languages" www.britannica.com/topic/Roma...
A Linguistic History of Venice, Ronnie Ferguson, 2007
“The private language of Venice” by Robert Landon, BBC Travel, www.bbc.com/travel/article/20...
"Ecclesiastical Latin vs Classical Pronunciation History | Latin: The Immortal Language" & "How Latin became Italian 🇮🇹" by polýMATHY • Ecclesiastical Latin v... & • How Latin became Itali...
My relevant language experience is 2 years of university-level Italian and 4 years of middle-school French
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  • @OverlySarcasticProductions
    @OverlySarcasticProductions3 ай бұрын

    If you're Italian, please share your favorite place-name in your local language! I've seen a handful of comments saying that Venice in Venetian is closer to "veNESSia", and others saying there's hefty internal variety even within the Venetian language. Sourcing that pronunciation for the Venetian Language itself and not just the Venetian dialect of Standard Italian was a pain in the ass, so even if "veNEEsa" turns out to be wrong I'll take it as further proof of local language wackiness. EDIT: NEVERMIND I FIGURED IT OUT, I'M JUST STUPID. The Venetians in the comments are absolutely correct and it's like "Venessia" - the problem is I'm a dumbass who can't read IPA notation to save my life. The only place I could find an IPA pronunciation notation for Venésia was the Venetian language wikipedia page ( vec.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venesia ) and the only place that could help me decipher it was the Venetian Language IPA wiki page page ... ... WRITTEN IN VENETIAN. The notation is [veˈnɛːsja] and the ː and j characters are what screwed me. The ː lengthens a sound but my stupid ass mistranslated it as DOUBLING the sound, hence my "veNEE-". As for the "-sa" at the end instead of "-sia", I screwed up the "j" IPA character, which is a completely standard "I" sound in Venetian, but I misread it as the "ʃ". This maps to a "sc" sound, but I lazily and stupidly thought "oh I know that one, that's the medieval variant of the letter S". Cascading failures from stupid assumptions in a video about *not* making assumptions. Lesson learned, ask a Venetian next time, and check my assumptions. Any similar mistakes with the pronunciations of other local-language endonyms stems from the same source - ya boi is bad at IPA. I don't think this failure breaks the thesis of the video, but it's an oversight I don't intend to replicate. You all deserve the best research possible, even when that means better deciphering a Venetian-language IPA chart. -B

  • @davidepantaleoni6730

    @davidepantaleoni6730

    3 ай бұрын

    The names of Brescia and Bergamo in our "dialect" are Bresa and Bèrghem respectively (written using italian spelling)

  • @luanafarina3626

    @luanafarina3626

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm from Northern Italy, 3 hours from Venezia. My mom's home-village name (in local language) is San Vido (San Vito), my dad's is Bellun (from Latin Bellunum, in Italian is Belluno). If you need an Italian tour guide or some help with Italian language, I'm here to help you. 😁

  • @LorenzoCanon91

    @LorenzoCanon91

    3 ай бұрын

    I always introduce my friends to the Italian languages by telling them how to say “Let’s go” 😉 Andiamo in Italian Ammuní in Sicilian Jamme in Neapolitan Annamo in Roman Ndemo in Venetian of Venice Ndon in Venetian from Treviso, right bank of the river Piave Love your channel, btw! 😉 greetings from The Hague. Den Haag. L’Aja. La Haye. Hāga…. You pick 😂

  • @luanafarina3626

    @luanafarina3626

    3 ай бұрын

    @@LorenzoCanon91 you can also translate that with "Si va!". 🤣

  • @LorenzoCanon91

    @LorenzoCanon91

    3 ай бұрын

    @@luanafarina3626 CIÓ 😂

  • @a.morphous66
    @a.morphous663 ай бұрын

    “I was thinking about [simple premise] and I realized [PROLONGED NONSENSE]” is the best kind of setup for an OSP video

  • @seanterry2619

    @seanterry2619

    3 ай бұрын

    Also goes well with H Bomber guy’s videos too

  • @carlinc.christensen3478

    @carlinc.christensen3478

    3 ай бұрын

    Amen! Agreed! 100%

  • @mirjanbouma

    @mirjanbouma

    3 ай бұрын

    I think you can apply that much wider!

  • @amehak1922

    @amehak1922

    3 ай бұрын

    The best kind of videos

  • @blubistheword

    @blubistheword

    3 ай бұрын

    It really is 😂🤌🤌

  • @samfisher6606
    @samfisher66063 ай бұрын

    I am absolutely okay with OSP incorporating linguistics and etymology into the rest of their humanities bingo card.

  • @mistereiswolf70

    @mistereiswolf70

    3 ай бұрын

    OSP Bingo is the best Bingo!

  • @GSBarlev

    @GSBarlev

    3 ай бұрын

    Why limit to the humanities? Don't forget that Red's degree is in math and that she's an amateur astronomer! Imagine if she branched out to cover cosmology _alongside_ cosmogony.

  • @samfisher6606

    @samfisher6606

    3 ай бұрын

    @@GSBarlev She already sort of has with the Eclipse video. But cosmology isn't in the humanities.

  • @GSBarlev

    @GSBarlev

    3 ай бұрын

    @@samfisher6606 Ope! Accidentally forgot the key premise of my comment (edited it in just now)-I could totally see _OSP_ branching off into *all* areas of knowledge.

  • @Tomyironmane

    @Tomyironmane

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, but the moment Blue said "simple" and "History of the English Language" in the same thought process, I knew he done goofed. The fact that Italian is... not quite as bad, but its own flavor of messed up... is a fun educational reminder.

  • @bastienfelix4605
    @bastienfelix46053 ай бұрын

    “My first instinct was to blame french” is definitely going right into out of context/quote compilations

  • @AnimeSunglasses

    @AnimeSunglasses

    2 ай бұрын

    And also it's an enormously relatable mood!

  • @aquamarinerose5405

    @aquamarinerose5405

    22 күн бұрын

    Spoken like a true Englishman.

  • @bastienfelix4605

    @bastienfelix4605

    22 күн бұрын

    @@aquamarinerose5405 What makes it even funnier is that I'm Swiss/French myself😂

  • @legateelizabeth
    @legateelizabeth3 ай бұрын

    Blue really is trying to do everything he can to avoid saying "English is actually closer to what they called themselves than modern Italian is" and the clear pain it brings him to even come close to doing that brings me an unimaginable sadistic joy.

  • @film9491

    @film9491

    3 ай бұрын

    Lol I know. He even had to admit that Milan is exactly the same in English and the local language

  • @danidm5820
    @danidm58203 ай бұрын

    As an italian, I can only describe the impact of hearing Blue changing language mid-sentence as the equivalent of a flashbang.

  • @jiojio_idiot

    @jiojio_idiot

    3 ай бұрын

    Italian is a second language for me and yeah, agreed

  • @thunderthebright8469

    @thunderthebright8469

    3 ай бұрын

    It's a lot more jarring when people do it without the correct pronounciation or a very thick accent, imo. Blue is actually one of few people I can listen to speak italian and *not* be jarred because he actually speaks it correctly.

  • @larath3w4terb3nder7

    @larath3w4terb3nder7

    3 ай бұрын

    @@thunderthebright8469i think it's because his grammar and overall pronounciation is good, if one of my english teachers taught me anything, it's that when you learn a language it's inevitable to have an accent, but with good grammar, clear voice and even a medium level pronounciation, anyone can understand you. This case applies very well with Blue imo, his accent may show, but he has a very clear pronounciation of words, along with good grammar use. (And i say this as an italian) idk if this makes sense tho

  • @alessandroconsoli4452

    @alessandroconsoli4452

    3 ай бұрын

    I know right? He's so good it actually turns into an Uncanny Valley kinda thing

  • @Valery0p5

    @Valery0p5

    3 ай бұрын

    Eeeh he still has too tick of an accent for my Italian ears, I'm sorry (ed è Boccaccio, Dante Petrarca e Boccaccio, non Machiavelli) Thankfully he got the dialect thing right, most people pretend they don't even exist.

  • @anicrue
    @anicrue3 ай бұрын

    Welcome to the wonderful world of linguistics, where everyone's playing a game of telephone and no one knows where it started and somehow you're "It" despite that being an entirely different game.

  • @alisoncarlisle84

    @alisoncarlisle84

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you, this is my new favorite comment on the internet lmfao

  • @MartyMango0

    @MartyMango0

    3 ай бұрын

    God, yes! I studied linguistics in college & I once took a test in a syntax class where one of the questions was "which of the following is ungrammatical" & I had to summon the professor to ask what to do because none of them were to me but that wasn't an option on the multiple choice test. She had me note it on the question & gave me full credit & then, after class, correctly IDed the different part of the country I was from in one guess.

  • @anicrue

    @anicrue

    3 ай бұрын

    @@MartyMango0 Currently studying linguistics, and I very much understand this struggle. Syntax trees exist but for the life of me I can't understand what the hell they're doing half the time. Failed the exam spectacularly but passed the course, and that's enough for me!

  • @boooksareamazing
    @boooksareamazing3 ай бұрын

    I was not expecting Blue to pop into his best Mario “Oh no” impression. This is basically the equivalent of Reds video about the nine realms. “Oh boy, I sure do love a simple topic with no nuance.” 3 days and several academic textbooks later. “WHY AM I DOING THIS TO MYSELF?!!”

  • @breawycker

    @breawycker

    3 ай бұрын

    Academia is all about suffering can confirm

  • @MyrmidonRadd
    @MyrmidonRadd3 ай бұрын

    "Languages are just complicated and Localization is fine" is a take we need more of.

  • @cloudkitt

    @cloudkitt

    3 ай бұрын

    Seconded. By all means do your best to be accurate but at the end of the day it's simply not always going to be possible, and there's often not a definitively true answer anyway.

  • @Carewolf

    @Carewolf

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, adopting endonyms and using is now something we ONLY do for far-away places we feel bad about. It is essentially becoming condescending. We would never consider it impolite to call Germans German, and not use their endonym. When Finland asked the whole world to stop calling them Finland (a name they consider given to them by their colonizers), we ignored it. That is only something we do for third world places, like Iran, Myanmar or now Türkiye.

  • @Carewolf

    @Carewolf

    3 ай бұрын

    Fortunately it seems most people are ignoring the Modi requests to rename India, as just a political trick by the current ruling party and not something we should take serious.

  • @twistedtachyon5877

    @twistedtachyon5877

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Carewolf more recently, Kyiv

  • @GameGod77

    @GameGod77

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Carewolf This immediately made me think of New Zealand and how the natives want it to be recognised as Tearoha (Tee-air-ro-ha). For the record, while I agree that I don't have any feelings of guilt over calling Deutschland Germany, ever since I learned that the German people call it Deutschland, I've tried to use that name in conversation when it comes up.

  • @JaySkywalker94
    @JaySkywalker943 ай бұрын

    Blue the Historian, Blue the philosopher, Blue the dome lover, and now… Blue the linguist. He’s just assimilating more humanities subjects every year!

  • @erikeverson7812

    @erikeverson7812

    3 ай бұрын

    I read this in the voice of Mel Brooks doing the Merchandising joke from Space Balls

  • @cloudkitt

    @cloudkitt

    3 ай бұрын

    @@erikeverson7812 I read it in Picard's voice, "Q the Liar, Q the Misanthrope!"

  • @azeroth2994

    @azeroth2994

    3 ай бұрын

    Not to mention, Blue the Spider-man

  • @Bluecho4

    @Bluecho4

    3 ай бұрын

    "We are the Blue. You will be assimilated. Your humanities distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile."

  • @limerence8365

    @limerence8365

    3 ай бұрын

    Blue does all the real world humanities stuff like history and arts while Red does all fiction stuff like stories and epic poems and story tropes.

  • @pebbles1499
    @pebbles14993 ай бұрын

    Blue having a melt down about not being able to read Danté in the original Tuscan is such a mood

  • @tarquinioprisco8459

    @tarquinioprisco8459

    3 ай бұрын

    italians are not able to read Dante in the original Tuscan without some kind of translation most of the time it's from almost a millennia ago

  • @talscorner3696

    @talscorner3696

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, "volgare" (and the "volgare" Dante used in the Divina Commedia still may not have been 100% what the average fiorentino spoke in their everyday life at the market) is *very* different from what modern fiorentino is xD

  • @matteoar

    @matteoar

    3 ай бұрын

    Well, most italians can read the Divine Comedy in the original Tuscan pretty fluently...up to Purgatory, where he starts using more aulic language and Paradise needs a full-on translation for most parts.

  • @alexanderpontier540

    @alexanderpontier540

    3 ай бұрын

    Don’t worry, the original Tuscan Raider edit is harder. All those grunts don’t translate into English well.

  • @talscorner3696

    @talscorner3696

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@matteoarman, I *hated* going through the Paradiso in highschool...

  • @KingsBard
    @KingsBard3 ай бұрын

    I died when Blue went from speaking a beautiful Italian straight into a full on Mario "OH NO", like, same delivery.

  • @andreivulpescu503
    @andreivulpescu5033 ай бұрын

    Romanians everywhere thank you. Also, as a violinist, I NEED to see that one about Stradivari wasting his time making violins.

  • @antonymilne1346
    @antonymilne13463 ай бұрын

    I never thought I'd see the day that a man would go through the 5 stages of grief backwards over the Italian languages but here we are

  • @mariotrujillo1673
    @mariotrujillo16733 ай бұрын

    I love how it's canon for Red and Blue to be like "I want to do something fun and simple" then they be like "oh no, what have i gotten myself into"😂

  • @SPLuvr

    @SPLuvr

    3 ай бұрын

    I find that's usually how learning about anything goes lmao

  • @daviddaugherty2816

    @daviddaugherty2816

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@SPLuvr Yeah, turns out the underlying reasons behind anything is long, complicated, and basically nonsensical.

  • @Bluecho4

    @Bluecho4

    3 ай бұрын

    The "This'll be Quick & Easy" to "What have I gotten myself into" pipeline is basically the thesis statement for human history.

  • @Moon_water48

    @Moon_water48

    3 ай бұрын

    Me asking my dad for help with my math homework- 💀👌

  • @FranciscoAreasGuimaraes

    @FranciscoAreasGuimaraes

    3 ай бұрын

    It reminds me of CGP Grey's video on Tiffany

  • @Catasros
    @Catasros3 ай бұрын

    This is basically a good part of the reason why Tolkien’s Middle Earth is so extensively detailed; my man wanted to make a language of his own (that is, what would become elvish) but being a literal professor in language, he knew language doesn’t exist without context, culture and history. So he got to work, which is (probably) why elven history is so much more detailed than that of the race of Man and dwarves. Aaaall of the history, culture and internal rivalries between the broader elven tribes/clans/groupings.

  • @galaxydeathskrill5607

    @galaxydeathskrill5607

    3 ай бұрын

    This professor made me want to learn Sindarin, Quenya and the Tengwar writing system right after finishing Children of Hurin and LOTR. And now i'm on a quest for a suitable notebook

  • @Hallows4

    @Hallows4

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s also why keeping track of all the character and place names in the Silmarillion is so damn difficult. Name changes are dropped on the regular depending on who’s point of view the person or thing is being talked about from, and that’s not even getting into the “codification“ of names that we get by the time of the Lord of the Rings.

  • @geosultan4
    @geosultan43 ай бұрын

    Fun fact: Livorno has a traditional English exonym that didn't come from France. Because it was a common port-of-call for English merchant ships, it became known in English as "Leghorn." Which is where a popular chicken breed with a white body and bright-red comb became known as the "Leghorn." And that is part of how the Looney Tunes character, Foghorn Leghorn, got that name and that design.

  • @Xalerdane

    @Xalerdane

    3 ай бұрын

    You’d think he’d be from NYC instead of the South then.

  • @Styphon

    @Styphon

    3 ай бұрын

    Does this place experience a lot of temperature differences between the water and air that cause visibility issues for navigating at sea?

  • @firehawkdelta

    @firehawkdelta

    3 ай бұрын

    And this is how the comments section became a new James Burke "Connections" episode.... 😂

  • @RainbowGod666

    @RainbowGod666

    3 ай бұрын

    Aspè è di Livorno? I n t e r e s s a n t e

  • @inteligentidiot7233
    @inteligentidiot72333 ай бұрын

    Props to Blue for his not-too-shabby Mario impression at 7:41.

  • @sandianexpress1198

    @sandianexpress1198

    3 ай бұрын

    About to say 😂

  • @mckensze

    @mckensze

    3 ай бұрын

    I actually laughed at that oh no

  • @Darbicus1
    @Darbicus13 ай бұрын

    Not gonna lie, Blue's existential meltdown in the end had me cracking up.

  • @BradyPostma

    @BradyPostma

    3 ай бұрын

    "Go Go Gadget better empire" tickled my funny bone.

  • @CortexNewsService

    @CortexNewsService

    3 ай бұрын

    Same. I love him, but... that was fun to watch.

  • @Claymann71

    @Claymann71

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@BradyPostma I lost the Game there too! It was worth it. I imagined Inspector Gadget in a Toga with Laurels & Sandles eating Olives & Pizza.

  • @BradyPostma

    @BradyPostma

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Claymann71 - "Go Go Gadget Greek Fire!"

  • @foldabotZ

    @foldabotZ

    3 ай бұрын

    It's like Red with the "Those Dang Phones" Trope Talk.

  • @TheStormWolf10
    @TheStormWolf103 ай бұрын

    The fact poor Blue starts having an existential crisis concerning his beloved Venison is such a treat and opens the door for OSP to dissect Linguistics. Seriously channels like these are a treasure!

  • @Xalerdane

    @Xalerdane

    3 ай бұрын

    Was that intentional?

  • @Styphon

    @Styphon

    3 ай бұрын

    Venison? Oh deer!

  • @jasminedragon9717
    @jasminedragon97173 ай бұрын

    I was not expecting to hear blue burst into fluent Italian. But I would be lying if I said I didn’t wanna hear more

  • @OhCrapI_He

    @OhCrapI_He

    3 ай бұрын

    I almost clicked on "hear more" thinking it was "Read more"

  • @Nazuiko

    @Nazuiko

    3 ай бұрын

    Imagine you did and it unlocked more ranting except entirely in Italian @@OhCrapI_He

  • @DragonbIaze052

    @DragonbIaze052

    3 ай бұрын

    Small spoilers for OSP's production of Julius Caesar, but Blue voices the titular character and does all of his lines in Latin.

  • @sevencats4964

    @sevencats4964

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@DragonbIaze052 that's noir, blue played brutus ^^

  • @DragonbIaze052

    @DragonbIaze052

    3 ай бұрын

    @@sevencats4964 Ahh sorry, it's been a while since I watched it.

  • @athroughzdude
    @athroughzdude3 ай бұрын

    And thus Blue dedicated the remainder of his life to learning all the individual dialects of the peninsula for no reason other than complete and total accuracy.

  • @_jpg

    @_jpg

    3 ай бұрын

    Thus wasting his life, just like Stradivari did 😂

  • @gutsmasterson2488

    @gutsmasterson2488

    3 ай бұрын

    He was remembered for knowing too much.

  • @user-hh8vi2rc6l

    @user-hh8vi2rc6l

    3 ай бұрын

    It's quite a dream of mine to magically know every non-standard variety of every language in the world, simply out of spite towards governments that want to extinguish them.

  • @JadranDan
    @JadranDan3 ай бұрын

    As an Italian linguist I really enjoyed this episode. The way you pronounce Italian place names is simply delightful.

  • @AegixDrakan
    @AegixDrakan3 ай бұрын

    How you know OSP *actually* does their own research: "Oh *no.* My premise was wrong. Here's what I learned when I went down this rabbit hole!" XD Gods this was funny and informative and I loved it. :D Thank you for the laughs, Blue!

  • @j.bat.8235
    @j.bat.82353 ай бұрын

    As an Italian, I can totally get behind the "blame French" argument. Also, Blue speaking Italian is *adorabile* (Also guys, I'm honestly overwelmed by the reactions - not saying I'm teary-eyed but kinda! 🥺😍)

  • @Lionstar16

    @Lionstar16

    3 ай бұрын

    I know, right?! Was totally not expecting Blue to speak Italian so beautifully

  • @jan-Sopija

    @jan-Sopija

    3 ай бұрын

    as a german speaker, I can totally get behind the "blame french" argument for the record I say this as an american with a french speaking mother and a new orleans french speaking girlfriend

  • @inteligentidiot7233

    @inteligentidiot7233

    3 ай бұрын

    Wait, adorable as in he sounds cute when saying it, or adorable like when your 5-year-old is happy with themselves when they say gracias at a Mexican restaurant?

  • @fyraltari1889

    @fyraltari1889

    3 ай бұрын

    As a French, I can totally get behind the "blame French" argument.

  • @V1p3r65

    @V1p3r65

    3 ай бұрын

    As a student of the English language, I can totally get behind the "blame the French" argument.

  • @PragmaticAntithesis
    @PragmaticAntithesis3 ай бұрын

    0:53 Considering how much of post-Roman Empire Italian history basically boils down to "Remus was right", I think Rome being one letter off 'Reme' is appropriate.

  • @samfisher6606

    @samfisher6606

    3 ай бұрын

    I always want to pronounce it "Re-Mey" and not like a ream of paper.

  • @Archris17

    @Archris17

    3 ай бұрын

    About all I know about Remus was that he hopped over Romulus's wall and got murdered to death for it. Care to expand?

  • @PragmaticAntithesis

    @PragmaticAntithesis

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Archris17 Remus wanted to build a trading hub on the Aventine Hill for its easy access to the Tiber River. Romulus wanted to build a fortress on the Capitaline Hill for its strong defences. Romulus got his city by killing Remus. After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the city of Rome got sacked several times over the next century, and was eventually rebuilt from the Aventine Hill (which acted as a tourist trap for the Vatican) and the Campus Martius (which was flat ground on the Tiber; more Remus-like than Remus!) which grew into the Rome we know today. Modern Italy has been infamously weak militarily, but was still a powerhouse thanks to it's trade (Venice go brr) and cultural leverage. Just as Remus intended!

  • @PyrotechNick77

    @PyrotechNick77

    3 ай бұрын

    @@samfisher6606not me reading it and wanting to pronounce it Rem like "REM sleep"

  • @0th_Law

    @0th_Law

    3 ай бұрын

    Of course, Romulus and Remus most likely weren't real people, and if they were, actually lived somewhere in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, because the whole "Founding of Rome" story with Romulus and Remus and the she-wolf and all that is actually pretty much just the Roman version of the Indo-European story of the creation of the world.

  • @carmacksanderson3937
    @carmacksanderson39373 ай бұрын

    7:40 Blue's Mario-esque "OH NO!" Had me on the FLOOR 😂

  • @FanNotANerd

    @FanNotANerd

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm *really* curious is the nearly flawless Mario impression was intentional or fully accidental.

  • @Kaijugan

    @Kaijugan

    3 ай бұрын

    SAME!

  • @archsteel7
    @archsteel73 ай бұрын

    I got into this channel because of Red, but Blu’s feral historian energy is probably what keeps me coming back the most

  • @katethegoat7507
    @katethegoat75073 ай бұрын

    This legitimately bleeds into a weird topic about the italianization of local dialects and languages. It is very much a phenomenon in Italy where increased modernization is making people forget their own local dialects. It's happening to me in my hometown, just one generational gap and kids don't speak the dialect nearly as much, if at all.

  • @carlosroo5460

    @carlosroo5460

    3 ай бұрын

    Se acercan tiempos oscuros, Harry.jpg

  • @gracetopherkirk5742

    @gracetopherkirk5742

    3 ай бұрын

    I live in Germany and a similar thing is happening here. A friend of mine was recently bemoaning the fact that she can’t speak her grandparents’ dialect (Tho she can at least still understand it)

  • @fizzamea6683

    @fizzamea6683

    3 ай бұрын

    Agree! As far as I´m concerned, my parents generation (born in the 50´) was the last really speaking Sardinian and only with their respective families, never with each other (two very different dialects). I loved my professor in school insisting on teaching MATH (!) in Sardinian...

  • @onetwothree9

    @onetwothree9

    3 ай бұрын

    I think that's a universal phenomenon, actually. It's probably due to most media being in the standard form of which ever language is being spoken and because that's what you're suppossed to speak in school (at least in my school we were told of for speaking dialect)

  • @magnusbane420

    @magnusbane420

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@gracetopherkirk5742Same here. When me and my brothers were kids, our dad unconsciously switched to Hochdeutsch when speaking with us, but as we got older and I moved out, he started speaking Franconian most of the time. Dialects also have the reputation of being spoken by stupid people, as Hochdeutsch has been the standard in German schools for a while and people associate trades and other non-office jobs with dialects.

  • @thedukeofchutney468
    @thedukeofchutney4683 ай бұрын

    Get yourself a person who loves you the way Blue loves Italian history.

  • @erraticonteuse

    @erraticonteuse

    3 ай бұрын

    Someone needs to ask Cyan if Blue loves her the way he loves Italian history 😂

  • @daviddaugherty2816

    @daviddaugherty2816

    3 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately for all involved, no one can love anything the way Blue loves Italy.

  • @siriusblack6057
    @siriusblack60573 ай бұрын

    4:40 , thank youuu for defending romanian, if you want suggestions I really think a video about Romania's history would be very interesting bc of the sheer perseverance of the people and how it became as it is. As you can see in that map we are a latin island in a sea of slavic influences (as Nicolae Iorga said) so its really impressing how the culture preserved itself. I love your videos and hope you all have a good and not stressful year! La mulți ani!

  • @Nomen_Nescio_YT
    @Nomen_Nescio_YT3 ай бұрын

    As an italian who studied at school a little history of the Italian language, I would like to add some details left by the video or simplified a little. What we now call standar Italian was born during 1500/1600 by the hands of some linguists (the most important and famous: Pietro Bembo) who wanted a standard language for literature and politics. It was chosen at the end the Florentine of late 200 and early 300, more specifically use the language used by Petrarch for the Poetry and that of Boccaccio for the prose. (Petrarch and Boccacio are two very influential Florentine poets). The modern Tuscan dialect is not an evolution of the Florentine of Boccaccio and Petrarch but of what existed at the time of Bembo. It is also not true that in the center the dialects are less widespread. A prime example is Romanesco, which, although much more similar to standard Italian than Siciliano or Veneto, is separated from it with characteristic words and inflections. It still remains the main language for conversation even among strangers (which with other dialects is increasingly less common). It is easily understandable by other Italians from different areas for its exposure through cinema and television P.S. Your accent in Italian is great P.P.S How did you managed to pronounce so badly the names of italian cities? Examples here (I'm gonna use IPA) Venice(Italian Venezia( /veˈnɛːtt͡sja/) Venitian (Venesia/Venexia/Venezia/Veneszia[there is no consensus on how to write venitian] (/veˈnɛsja/) as every one can see the only part that change is Z that change from a Ts sound to a S sound, the other parts rest the same. The other names are also mispronounced, but I’m too lazy to write in IPA

  • @Nomen_Nescio_YT

    @Nomen_Nescio_YT

    3 ай бұрын

    Anyway nobody, and I repeat NOBODY understands Dante’s Italian, not even Italian, So don’t take it hard Blue

  • @mistertizio4094

    @mistertizio4094

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you, I was about to write all that but I found your comment and likes it instead

  • @Nomen_Nescio_YT

    @Nomen_Nescio_YT

    3 ай бұрын

    @@mistertizio4094 Always a plaesure

  • @d.b.4671
    @d.b.46713 ай бұрын

    "Go-Go Gadget Better Empire" is my first Favorite Thing Blue Said for the year of 2024.

  • @macaronsncheese9835
    @macaronsncheese98353 ай бұрын

    The distinctly Mario-esque "oh no!" broke me lol

  • @asinglebraincell6584

    @asinglebraincell6584

    3 ай бұрын

    I laughed as well. His enthusiasm is contagious

  • @Tekdruid
    @Tekdruid3 ай бұрын

    9:03 Narrator (Morgan Freeman): "He was not, in fact, fine."

  • @pablodisciascio8229
    @pablodisciascio82293 ай бұрын

    I have not seen Blue having SO much fun in a video in a LONG TIME. You can see his personality pouring through the script and his flavourful and cultured humour all over the place and it's such a joy to see how that in turns brings about a video that you can't possibly help but to love because of all the love put into such a silly topic. Great work!

  • @jameseracer8061
    @jameseracer80613 ай бұрын

    Meanwhile me, a Czech, having to talk about Venice as "Benátky", Genoa as "Janov" and Rome as "Řím"

  • @Pollicina_db

    @Pollicina_db

    3 ай бұрын

    As a croat I shudder, although we also say Rim for Roma, Venezia = Venecija, Genova is the same

  • @astahelgadottir8747

    @astahelgadottir8747

    3 ай бұрын

    The Icelandic for Venice is "Feneyjar" which translated directly means "marsh-islands" 🤷‍♀

  • @Xalerdane

    @Xalerdane

    3 ай бұрын

    @@astahelgadottir8747 You win.

  • @naomistarlight6178

    @naomistarlight6178

    3 ай бұрын

    "the city of wetness" @@astahelgadottir8747

  • @mariodoomfist1049

    @mariodoomfist1049

    3 ай бұрын

    Okay venice in Czech legit sounds like the name of a medicine

  • @SpoonG
    @SpoonG3 ай бұрын

    I can state confidently that us Italians from different regions still don't understand each other perfectly when talking, not because of the accents but due to common use of our language in day to day life. I am from the South and dated a guy from Tuscany in my 20s, it took me three months to understand everything he said (Tuscan dialects are also very similar to standard Italian, and they aren't scolded for using them since primary school as they do with us in the South, so they tend to use regional forms that are extremely weird to outsiders). And don't let me started with Swiss Italian. Fun fact: it is widely accepted that Italian became a commonly spoken language in the late 1950s, since broadcast television started in 1954. Before that, it was just a formal language you learned in school and, since compulsory education ended in 5th grade at the time, it was very rare for people to use it everyday. There are also some political implications with the suppression of Southern "dialects" and accents, I literally had to force me and stop being ashamed when speaking to Northeners in my normal accent, since they drilled into our heads that it's impolite and very ignorant.

  • @eleutheros7216

    @eleutheros7216

    3 ай бұрын

    Someone else talks about the unfairness that southern dialects are subject to! Ever since I started attending university in the north I realised how much more mainstream it is for them to talk in dialect with a certain pride even in more formal events, meanwhile in the central-south we had always been taught that it was a sign of ignorance and rudeness (scusa per il papiro, ma mi sono sentito troppo validato dal tuo commento🙏✨)

  • @guyfawkes938

    @guyfawkes938

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@eleutheros7216 That's interesting. On one hand I think there's the usual arrogance towards the South in play, but I suspect the fact that several of the northern dialects are becoming much less commonly spoken also plays a part. So it's something of a badge of honor to still be able to flex what little dialect you might have picked up from grandma, as opposed to those other regions where the presence of dialect is still very strong even in younger generations. But, like Blue says, these are just my "vibes". Grazie comunque per il papiro.

  • @eleutheros7216

    @eleutheros7216

    3 ай бұрын

    @@guyfawkes938 Honestly, great analysis, that is for sure one of the factors at play; the only "ugly" part that I wish would be left behind is how often in order to celebrate northern dialects (which I love btw) southern ones are torn down (with the most ridiculous excuses, from "they sound uglier" to "oh but our dialefts are actual languages" which surprise, southern are too; this kind of rhetoric is often linked to ugly separationist politics tho, no intellectual worth of their name would ever argue something like this)

  • @John_Weiss

    @John_Weiss

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@eleutheros7216Linguists actually classify the Southern Italian "dialects" as a _completely separate branch_ of the Romance Languages. Also, Germans and Austrians joke that the Swiss speak 4 languages: French, Italian, Rhaeto-Romanish, and „Erkältung“ [raffreddore] 😂. Because apparently, Swiss German sounds like someone speaking German with a really bad cold to anyone in Austria or Germany.😂

  • @SpoonG

    @SpoonG

    3 ай бұрын

    @@John_Weiss As a person with a Master's degree in German, I can vouch for the Erkältung definition, but let's not forget Swiss Italian which, to me, is quite a different language from Italian Italian. But then, Austrians should take care of their own problems before criticizing anyone, lol. And nobody's talking about Südtiroler yet. Anyway, there's a political reason for the reputation of Southern "dialects" (especially Neapolitan ones): namely colonialism and mass emigration. Since the Kingdom of Naples was literally conquered by Piedmont, which led to the dismantling of the rising industrial complex of the South and the agreements with huge landowners to keep them in charge here, us Southerners have always been poorer and less educated (until the last three decades) than the northerners. Then, with the mass emigration of "low skilled" workers from the south to the factories of the north, we were still poor and poorly educated, and the northerners believed that our languages were beastly grunts for beastly non-people. Therefore we became our own enemies trying to integrate with the cool and wealthy northeners who use their vowels, while being brainwashed from primary school that we had to completely lose even our accents just to be considered "normal". When I was younger and traveled around Italy, I subconsciously mimicked whatever accent the person I was with had, because I felt extremely ashamed of the way I usually spoke and didn't want to embarrass myself in front of them. I had to consciously stop myself from doing it, even when speaking a foreign language (I now consciously keep my Italian accent when speaking English because I came to the conclusion that using a random British or American accent made no sense at all).

  • @sockenthusiast
    @sockenthusiast3 ай бұрын

    As a linguist (and translator) I was so worried by the opening statement... and increasingly delighted by every sentence that came after it. I would LOVE to see more of this in the future

  • @abogus1756
    @abogus17563 ай бұрын

    Ok, I can’t deny, watching Blue’s sanity break down in real time might be one of my favorite pastimes. It’s okay man, we still love you!

  • @GSBarlev
    @GSBarlev3 ай бұрын

    This reminds me how, over the course of 2021, we all mutually accepted that _Kiev_ was an exonym, and that we should be spelling it _Kyiv_ pronouncing it _-Keev-_ _Kee-eve_ (see comments). And on the subject, as someone whose ancestors were from what is now Poland and The Ukraine, I am forever confused when people mention *the other* _Galicia._

  • @candiman4243

    @candiman4243

    3 ай бұрын

    Not as bad as Iberia somehow migrating from the caucuses to western europe... Also the three places called georgia.

  • @GhostBear3067

    @GhostBear3067

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@candiman4243 wait three? I only know of two!

  • @candiman4243

    @candiman4243

    3 ай бұрын

    @@GhostBear3067 South Georgia Island. It's a bit past the falklands

  • @goncalo33

    @goncalo33

    3 ай бұрын

    Same here, albeit in reverse, as I'm from Portugal. Galicia being a thing elsewhere (i.e. not in Spain) surprised me.

  • @eddiet7228

    @eddiet7228

    3 ай бұрын

    It’s not actually pronounced Keev with a single long “e” sound. I was told my Ukrainian friend when I started learning the language that there is a slight tonal difference. It’s not Key-ev like the original spelling so everyone’s correct to move away from that. But there is a slight tone change from the Ky to the iv part.

  • @GayBearBro2
    @GayBearBro23 ай бұрын

    As a fellow Italian (language) lover, I appreciate hearing Blue speak Italian and express his love for the Italian names of Italian cities.

  • @danielhavens8819
    @danielhavens88193 ай бұрын

    "a simple informational story about historical linguistics, etymology, language transfer, and endonyms. what could possibly go wrong!" is remarkably similar to my thought process in choosing to get a degree in linguistics

  • @wanderinglizzy
    @wanderinglizzy3 ай бұрын

    As a former linguistics major this makes me so happy! This reminded me of why I liked linguistics in the first place - by learning about languages you learn so much about the people who speak them. Also the dialect thing made me think of something we used to say when discussing Cantonese Chinese and its cultural significance (I'm from Hong Kong so this was something we got to study) - a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. (of course these days you can't say that because that would be sedition 🙃)

  • @mcgbullseye468
    @mcgbullseye4683 ай бұрын

    Welp time for Blue to learn all the Local versions of Italian like he’s catching Pokemon.

  • @GoldenJLR
    @GoldenJLR3 ай бұрын

    This also made me think of how weird that some places never have their name localized. Can you imagine calling São Paulo Saint Paul or Rio de Janeiro River of January?

  • @janmelantu7490

    @janmelantu7490

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes, I can imagine it. In Texas, many of the Spanish place names survived, while institutions often use English versions (lots of things in San Antonio are named St. Anthony despite them being named after the same person)

  • @LotusHearted

    @LotusHearted

    3 ай бұрын

    Or calling Tokyo “East Capital”, likewise Kyoto with “Old Capital.”

  • @legomaniac213

    @legomaniac213

    3 ай бұрын

    It also doesn't help when there are already established cities with anglicized names that have wildly different cultures and environments. There is a significant difference between Sao Paulo, Brazil and Saint Paul, Minnesota.

  • @Nazuiko

    @Nazuiko

    3 ай бұрын

    My favorite city in the southern US has gotta be "Big River Texas"

  • @pbjmochi8400

    @pbjmochi8400

    3 ай бұрын

    And then you get things like the Sahara Desert. Desert Desert.

  • @storyspren
    @storyspren3 ай бұрын

    That note on the stress pattern reminded me of someone I met like ten-ish years ago. Finnish is my native language, we're known for being monotone, but linguistically speaking Finnish does have a stress pattern, it's just very same-y. Pretty much every* word has the stress on the first syllable, and it's also not particularly strong as far as emphasis goes, certainly not as strong as Italian. And I ran into someone who spoke Finnish, but with an Italian accent, and it was downright delightful to hear! He just asked me a question about how something worked, and I answered, and he called it brilliant (not my answer, the thing the question was about). It was a very short interaction among like a hundred similar ones, but I can still hear his exclamation of "NErokasta!" so vividly in my memory, with that super strong stress in the start. And it's not just the accent, the strength of the emphasis, that set that interaction apart. It was also that we don't tend to exclaim "Brilliant!" when we think something is brilliant (maybe we should?). When he approached me to ask the question, I heard that singsongy way of stressing syllables in his speech, and I would remember how it felt to hear that even if I forgot every word of that encounter, but then he shouted that out and that little voice clip has permanently engraved itself in my brain. *I'm not gonna commit to saying "every word" without that "pretty much" qualifier because I study English linguistics and not Finnish (and also sweeping statements like that will have you being wrong a lot), but I will say regarding the two examples I can think of that are fully unstressed: I've seen people write them as suffixes rather than postpositions, which kinda makes it seem like we don't register it as the next word if we don't hear that stressed syllable. (Also the misadventures with IPA in the pinned comment are hilarious, they just keep adding to the "guy makes assumption, turns out wrong" story of the video in such a fitting and comedic way)

  • @TheNashNetwork
    @TheNashNetwork3 ай бұрын

    When I went to Venice for the first time last year to see my family there, I discovered they ALL spoke Venetian regularly to each other, not Italian. It was fascinating, and being half Mexican, I could hear similarities to Spanish I didn't expect! I hope to become fluent in Venetian one day :)

  • @PakBallandSami
    @PakBallandSami3 ай бұрын

    Note:Speaking of mutual comprehension, speakers of Italian and French are unable to understand each other very well. This is because there are more disparities between them when it comes to their sound inventories, or pronunciation. However, it is much simpler for French and Italian speakers to identify vocabulary similarities when they are written down. They can therefore understand the text's main idea more easily.

  • @cloudkitt

    @cloudkitt

    3 ай бұрын

    English and Dutch has a similar phenomenon, in my admittedly limited experience.

  • @thesquishedelf1301

    @thesquishedelf1301

    3 ай бұрын

    @@cloudkittyeah, the germanics are kinda almost as screwy as the romance-s. Scandinavia are off doing their own thing like France, Germany is in much the same boat as Italy, and English is closest to Spanish with functioning, aurally, as a bridge between the two, but _looking_ weird af from either perspective. And then you have Finnish/Romanian off to the side mingling with the slavs.

  • @tj-co9go

    @tj-co9go

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@thesquishedelf1301 Finnish has no relation to Indo-European languages. It has many loanwords, sure, but it is related to Uralic languages. Major ones are Estonian and Hungarian

  • @thesquishedelf1301

    @thesquishedelf1301

    3 ай бұрын

    @@tj-co9go thanks, I’m not an expert. That was… kinda what I was getting at, though. I’ve met Romanians who insist Romanian isn’t a Romance language, and it bears enough similarities with Slavic languages that it’s not exactly easy for romance speakers to get around.

  • @comradewindowsill4253

    @comradewindowsill4253

    3 ай бұрын

    @@thesquishedelf1301 I assure you it most certainly is not possible to understand as a slavic speaker yes, it has the vibe of, maybe, czech? but it isn't similar in vocab, that's pretty obviously almost all latinate.

  • @kevinchong5424
    @kevinchong54243 ай бұрын

    As someone living in Belgium, yeah, the pain of different names in different languages for the same place is a real pain

  • @kastanimates
    @kastanimates3 ай бұрын

    I love linguistics and dissecting languages -- I don't have a degree in it but I have an intense hobbiest love of it -- so to watch this was an absolute joy! Also RIP Blue, you did a great job, languages are just... *waves hand* messy

  • @areminderofwhatweare
    @areminderofwhatweare3 ай бұрын

    Finally, I get to apply my ancient (high school) knowledge of the Italian language to understand the short phrases Blue’s saying while not looking at the captions

  • @francescosorce5189
    @francescosorce51893 ай бұрын

    8:19 In the divine comedy you can find the intermediate form "Fiorenza". The most well know example is the start of the 26th chant of the inferno where Dante rants about how sinful Florentines are (an opinion which definitely has nothing to do with his exile, he swears!).

  • @Varandru
    @Varandru3 ай бұрын

    Blue, you madman. How are you going to make something greater than this? This feels like the greatest example of Blue-specific humour and storytelling produced so far, and I really want more of it!

  • @meowmeowkittensupreme4864
    @meowmeowkittensupreme48643 ай бұрын

    The sudden piping of Kass's Theme from BoTW at 1:17 made me jump bc I thought my phone was ringing

  • @jasonreed4833
    @jasonreed48333 ай бұрын

    My favorite thing about this video is how Blue takes us through the research process. Starting thinking you already know something, doing the research, and updating your opinion based on what you learn during research.

  • @elizaripper
    @elizaripper3 ай бұрын

    Damn, I’m loving that this video gives Blue an excuse to flex his Italian!😄💙

  • @stephentomsky9576
    @stephentomsky95763 ай бұрын

    Watching other people's existential crises is much more fun than having one of your own.

  • @gokbay3057
    @gokbay30573 ай бұрын

    3:25 They also got called Romans or Rum a lot. To modern Turks modern day Greeks are Yunan from Yunanistan but Greeks of Cyprus or Turkey are still usually called Rum instead of Yunan. And of course during the Ottoman Empire Rum was by far the preferred term to Yunan. There are stories that sometime after Greek independence some Greeks talked with the Greek people of Lesbos who were calling them Hellenes and asked "Are you not Hellenes yourself?" and were answered with "We are Romans".

  • @louvegouroute
    @louvegouroute3 ай бұрын

    OH BLUE. YOU NERD. what an amazing video, thanks ^^ being french, i would *also* have blamed french, but my mom having been born in Sardinia, i am a tiiiiny bit sad that you didn't mention her native language ;) (makes sense, though, it's an island, nothing like even corsican, and there's no "big" city over there ^^ nice to learn about other regional languages of italy, really, thanks again that's a GREAT start to the year with your channel :D )

  • @FuzzyStripetail
    @FuzzyStripetail3 ай бұрын

    I bet the "Remind me again why he's in charge of naming stuff?" guy longingly and dramatically stroking his beard in that quintessential deep thought posture didn't see it Cumae-ing when he got the Hellas kicked out of his Assyria as soon as Rome arrived.

  • @redwitch12

    @redwitch12

    3 ай бұрын

    I am both angry at your terrible puns and delighted by them.

  • @loorthedarkelf8353
    @loorthedarkelf83533 ай бұрын

    This is why I had to make a mother language for my fantasy empire before developing lingual drift, dialects, and straight up splitting points for the various city states encompassed by it.

  • @twistedtachyon5877

    @twistedtachyon5877

    3 ай бұрын

    *nods in Tolkien*

  • @galaxydeathskrill5607

    @galaxydeathskrill5607

    3 ай бұрын

    *Fëanor approves*

  • @loorthedarkelf8353

    @loorthedarkelf8353

    Ай бұрын

    The best part is the base language the others stemmed from is used by the temple folk the same way doctors use latin- since no one actually *speaks* the mother language anymore, its used by the only thing everyone in the empire shares; Faith. And an island nation off the coast but that's their perogative XD

  • @WinglessMoonstone
    @WinglessMoonstone3 ай бұрын

    This gives me the same vibes as when Red thought her video on the nine realms was going to be easy, only to soon realize how much more complicated the subject you guys are researching actually is. XD This was a really interesting look into language evolution! I loved learning that Italians are basically considered fluent in two languages! Great work on giving us something both educational and hilariously entertaining as always!

  • @86fifty
    @86fifty3 ай бұрын

    7:34 - I have not laughed as hard at a History video in a loooong time, Blue, I have GOT to give you props for establishing your Italian pronunciation chops hardcore and THEN making me think of Mario the plumber as the punchline XDD

  • @97Multiphantom
    @97Multiphantom3 ай бұрын

    So what I’ve taken from this is that the next time someone tells me that English is just a garbled mess of other languages blended together, I can just point at Italy and say “We didn’t even start that.”

  • @devonhardy6447

    @devonhardy6447

    3 ай бұрын

    It's kind of a different thing in English though. Like, when people say that about English, they usually mean because of how much Romance influence it has while still being a Germanic language or something. The only example I can think of of English doing the same thing as Italian is when people claim Scots is a dialect.

  • @Nazuiko

    @Nazuiko

    3 ай бұрын

    @@devonhardy6447 American, Australian, Scots, and British English are four different languages; Im sure plenty would argue that Canadian English/French is distinctive from the mother languages as well, but I know little of either to say myself.

  • @TheMan83554

    @TheMan83554

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Nazuiko Acadian French is *drastically* different from Standard French, the the point of being nearly unintelligible. I went through French Immersion in elementary school, but they taught us *Standard French*, which was damn near useless when trying to have a conversation with the Quebecois. Canadian English is somewhere between American English and British English. Americanized some words, kept the British sound and spelling of others.

  • @CortexNewsService

    @CortexNewsService

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Nazuiko I think the varieties of English are like a spectrum of dialects, the same way Arabic is in a way. Related and pretty intelligible over all, but there can be a wide range. Morrocan Arabic, for example, is not intelligible with Levant Arabic when spoken. Too much drift. But it is intelligible with, say, Libyan Arabic. Same with English. Americans and British can understand each other very well, though different vocabulary and pronunciation can be confusing. We can still do fine though. But American and Scots? I have no clue unless it's written down. The pronunciation is so different that while it sounds cool, I have no idea what they're saying. And we haven't even touched all the versions of English. Indian, Jamaican, Belizean, South African, Singaporean, Nigerian, Bajan. All English dialects, but how well you can understand them is very dependent on how close it is to your own version.

  • @comradewindowsill4253

    @comradewindowsill4253

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Nazuiko eh. no. Scots is a language separate from English; it developed mostly independently of it, and is, even now, mostly not mutually intelligible. There was such a thing as Old Scots, when there was an Old English. American and British English are as yet dialects of English, descended of Old English, as are Australian and Indian English. (by the way, the largest population of native English speakers is in India, did you know that?)

  • @SereglothIV
    @SereglothIV3 ай бұрын

    In Polish we have some names similar to Latin/Italian equivalents, like Venice is Wenecja (pronounced exactly like in Italian, maybe with a different accent) or Milan is Mediolan (from Latin Mediolanum), but then we call Italy... Włochy. Don't ask me why, I have no idea.

  • @Vanvidum

    @Vanvidum

    3 ай бұрын

    That sounds like it comes from the word "Vlach" which was used to refer to Romance language speakers in the Balkans.

  • @thomasrinschler6783

    @thomasrinschler6783

    3 ай бұрын

    Włochy ultimately comes from Proto-German "*Walhaz", which means foreigner, usually Romance or Celtic language speaking foreigners. In English, this eventually gave the Welsh their exonym name, for example. Germans at first used it indiscriminately for any Romance-language speaker, giving the Vlachs their name. This naming of Romance-speakers was picked up by the Poles at some point, even though they, obviously, don't speak a Germanic language, giving them the Polish name for Italy.

  • @marjae2767

    @marjae2767

    3 ай бұрын

    It's because the Germanic-speaking peoples called the Celtic peoples something like *Waliskos. When the Germanic-speaking peoples encountered the *Rumiskos, they called them more *Waliskos. Later the Slavic-speaking peoples used the Germanic names. The soft W sometimes became a GU-, V-, or B-. So in English, we have "Wales" for the British part of Britain, "Gaul" (Gu-al) for Gallia, "Wallonia" for southern Belgium, "Wallachia" for southern Romania, etc.

  • @thomasrinschler6783

    @thomasrinschler6783

    3 ай бұрын

    @@marjae2767 You're right elsewhere, but the Romans called them Gauls long, long before any German was even recorded. In fact "Gaul" is likely an endonym, as it has been used by the peoples themselves from Ireland and Scotland (where the languages themselves are called the equivalent of "Gaelic" by their own speakers), through Gaul, and all the way to Asia Minor and the Galatians (who were a Celtic people who moved there in the 200s BC). "Celt" is the actual exonym here.

  • @marjae2767

    @marjae2767

    3 ай бұрын

    @@thomasrinschler6783 Although Gallae, Gauls, and Gaels sound similar, I'm pretty sure they come from different roots. Gallae/Galli from a native root, Gauls from *Waliskos, and Gaels from Goidil. Sorry I can't link to sources.

  • @nirast2561
    @nirast25613 ай бұрын

    5:50 That's a weird Megazord you got there. Side note: Romania mentioned! Awesome!

  • @ajahrovat9431
    @ajahrovat94313 ай бұрын

    Please, as a violinist I am begging you for that second video idea, IT'S A NEED

  • @WolfDB
    @WolfDB3 ай бұрын

    That "Oh no!" from Blue made him sounding like Mario, it made me laugh a little

  • @badmonkey244
    @badmonkey2443 ай бұрын

    As an Italian I'm so happy about this video and its fascinating topic. On the other hand, sad to see Torino overlooked for the 100th times when it comes to talk about Italy 😢

  • @johnedwards1559

    @johnedwards1559

    3 ай бұрын

    Because to the rest of us it's Turin and you're all covered by a shroud. Your dome has right-angles and your king had to be dragged into fighting for independence from Austria. Your museum is Egyptian, your name is Celtic and your namesake was beaten by Hannibal in less than a week, after which you did nothing of note until the Lombards.

  • @guyfawkes938

    @guyfawkes938

    3 ай бұрын

    Turin suffers from being a latecomer in terms of relevance in the North-West. Bunch of squabbling Celts pre-Roman, backwater Roman fort for most of the Empire, bishopric overshadowed by Monferrato and even Chieri next door throughout most of the Middle Ages, not the original power-center of the Savoia (Chambery). It only starts coming into its own once most non-Italian history start to look away from the peninsula. But hey, the OG capital!

  • @unalettrice602

    @unalettrice602

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@johnedwards1559 I've never been so burned while also learning so much about my city at the same time

  • @magnusengeseth5060

    @magnusengeseth5060

    3 ай бұрын

    IIRC a bunch of Swedish journalists went through the same linguistic journey as OSP Blue did during the Winter Olympics in Turin. They thought they were being extra respectful by calling the city Torino instead of Turin, until it was pointed out to them that the local name for the city is actually Turin, pronounced very similarly to how Swedes say "Turin".

  • @popelite9926
    @popelite99263 ай бұрын

    *Mentions Petrarca, Dante and Machiavelli* *leaves out Boccaccio* You caused me an amount of pain that my degree in italian literature cannot stand blue, you did the 3 corone dirty...

  • @samanthalouise641
    @samanthalouise6413 ай бұрын

    Blue’s breakdown during the credits was amazing

  • @JohnJohnson-jr6hp
    @JohnJohnson-jr6hp3 ай бұрын

    I was shocked when I read Count of Monte Cristo and realized Livorno became Leghorn. Leghorn!

  • @cloudkitt

    @cloudkitt

    3 ай бұрын

    Well I say, boy, I say

  • @TheDeadmandillon
    @TheDeadmandillon3 ай бұрын

    4:45 I forget if you've made a video on the history of Romania. To me it sounds like all they're known for is Count Vladimir Dracula (a.k.a. Vlad The Impaler) as well as all of their vampire mythologies... and their Draco AK pistols. But not a lot of people understand how Romania came to be.

  • @Nazuiko

    @Nazuiko

    3 ай бұрын

    Another youtuber i dont knwo the name of, though more Tiktok than youtube i think, actually just had a short on him and apparently Dracula means "SON of Dracul", cuz his dad was also despicable? That was news to me ... and yes, I want more Romanian and eastern European history in general; theres so much going on over there but the Anglosphere is dominated by the western 5 of Italy, France, Spain, England, and sometimes Germany if they want to.

  • @larsdewit6521

    @larsdewit6521

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Nazuiko he's the son of the dragon because his father was a member of the Hungarian Order of the Dragon (it was a commendation I think) not because his father was outright evil. Extra History has a series on Vlad, I reccomend it.

  • @Bobogdan258

    @Bobogdan258

    3 ай бұрын

    He covered countries around Romania: Poland, Ukraine, Byzantium, the Ottomans. But didn't cover Dacia's history with the Romans and with except this video Romania always looked like empty space. Red covered Bram Stoker's Dracula and Castlevania though. Romania came to be from a mix of Vlachs, Slavs and other ethnic groups north of the Danube (too many to count since Wallachia is the westernmost point of the Eurasian Steppes before the Pannonian Basin, most notable being Avars, Bulgars, Cumans, Magyars, Pechenegs), which got Orthodox Christianity from the Bulgarian Empire, the people weren't able to establish themselves because of all these nomadic empires but they survived thanks to the Carpathian mountains and from what we've learned from Russian history, the Mongolian empire is more lenient if you don't resist and give them tribute. After the Magyars have settled west of the Carpathians local lords east of the Carpathians broke free from Hungary and established Wallachia and Moldavia and instead of using western, catholic, feudal Hungarian law they used Orthodox Byzantine law as basis for their government, then a bunch of history of trying to survive stuck between empires until they unite all the Romanians after WW1. Interesting points in history Vlad the Impaler playing off the Hungarians and Ottomans against each other, Stephen the Great, Vlad's cousin and Prince of Moldavia, with 46 victories out of 48 battles against while outnumbered against Ottomans, Wallachians, Hungarians, Poles and Tatars, Michael the Brave briefly managing to unite Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania under him, Russian governor of the principalities Pavel Kiselyov established Romania's first constitution before Russia, Alexandru Ioan Cuza is elected Domnitor by Wallachia and Moldavia separately to skirt international law that prevented their unification after which a series of reforms that weren't to the ruling class' liking they looked to establish German backing by appointing a german king related to Prussia's royal family, this king joins the WW1 against Germany and Austria to unite Romania with Transylvania, get defeated and then join a day before the war ends to get awarded Transylvania and seals the deal after defeating the Hungarian Soviet Republic.

  • @raventreye2326
    @raventreye23263 ай бұрын

    this is one of my new favorite videos from Blue. I love etymology and the language rabbit hole, so this was very fascinating

  • @sabikikasuko6636
    @sabikikasuko66363 ай бұрын

    As a linguistics hobbyist, not often you see non-linguists covering linguistics this well. Kudos to Blue! This video was amazing and only reinforced your professionalism as a true researcher!

  • @moonyasnow36
    @moonyasnow363 ай бұрын

    07:33 *_Ghiaccio is screaming_*

  • @scottrobinson3956
    @scottrobinson39563 ай бұрын

    I started studying linguistics about 2 years ago, and omg it’s such an interesting field. Blue, I’d love if you did more videos talking about languages and linguistics. Trust me, the field is interesting

  • @GScottActing
    @GScottActing3 ай бұрын

    The sudden cut on "Wow, this is getting really comple-" got me. You guys did a really good job on this one :)

  • @vamp1024
    @vamp10243 ай бұрын

    Romanian is a REALLY PRETTY language and it's SUPER under-rated. The Latin and Slavic influences blend together in a very aesthetic way.

  • @tizioincognito161
    @tizioincognito1613 ай бұрын

    As an italian its always funny when people discover that under italian exists a mirad of local dialects (altho in many cases the local dialects are slowly fading out of use). Standard Italian we could say is an artificial language mainly constructed around tuscan with some input fron lombard and sicilian (lombard cause lombardy has always been the most populous region and sicilian cause frederick II was not just a based king but also cause he commissioned the first grammatical standardization in italys history through the sicilian school). What is even more interesting about the birth of standard italian is the fact that it was mainly carried by one man, national author number 5 and senator for life of the kingdom of italy, alessandro manzoni. He carried in part the standardization work also through the his famous novel, The Betrothed (I promessi sposi), which is studied as much as dante, petrarca, boccaccio and ((Macchiavelli)) in the italian school system

  • @liam3284

    @liam3284

    3 ай бұрын

    reminds me of mandarin somehow

  • @MrLuizilla
    @MrLuizilla3 ай бұрын

    Blue embracing his inner Ghiacco, love to see it

  • @blede8649

    @blede8649

    3 ай бұрын

    *Ghiaccio

  • @z3iro383

    @z3iro383

    3 ай бұрын

    Ghiaccio learning Venezia's local name would probably give him a fatal stroke

  • @UM36991
    @UM369912 ай бұрын

    I’ve just listened to this after a pretty draining day and honestly Blue’s joy, excitement and self-effacing jokes about Italy and Italian have totally revitalised me! Thank you! 😊

  • @asinglebraincell6584
    @asinglebraincell65843 ай бұрын

    I loooved this!!! ❤❤❤ His enthusiasm is contagious and fun :) thank you

  • @Nasser851000
    @Nasser8510003 ай бұрын

    *Insert Generic Italian Music*

  • @taylor_green_9

    @taylor_green_9

    3 ай бұрын

    I can totally hear it right now

  • @itchy0618
    @itchy06183 ай бұрын

    Just thinking of the scene from Casablanca of the French and Italian dudes arguing. "If he gets a word in, it'll be a major Italian victory."

  • @ItsJustVirgil
    @ItsJustVirgil3 ай бұрын

    You killed me with “Go go Gadget better Empire.” I love it.

  • @TheNinjaKiwi1
    @TheNinjaKiwi13 ай бұрын

    Out of anything, Blue’s mental break over linguistics is what makes this video so entertaining. I love it!

  • @aulvinduergard9952
    @aulvinduergard99523 ай бұрын

    Gotta love that mini mental breakdown at the end where Blue comes to grips with how much more about Venice he has to learn. lol

  • @Great_Olaf5
    @Great_Olaf53 ай бұрын

    Finally! He gets language! You have finally learned the secret linguists learn in year one: languages are a complete mess and it is worse than pointless to pass judgement. ... Now if only you could learn the eerily similar lesson that history students are supposed to learn in year one...

  • @Myllorelion
    @Myllorelion3 ай бұрын

    I've gotta say, Blue, the tone and mood of this entire video is probably one of my favorites you've ever put out. And I don't necessarily care about the subject matter more than your dives into History and philosophy. Well done.

  • @Beryllahawk
    @Beryllahawk3 ай бұрын

    This was VERY fun! I'm doubly amused because I'd literally just this past week learned about the many different Italian languages, as it relates to medieval music - because "Italian singing" meant a WHOLE lot more back then. Also, it was really a pleasure hearing Blue speak Italian. It's a lovely language, there's a damn good reason so many awesome operas are written in it.

  • @AuroraPaintBrush4444
    @AuroraPaintBrush44443 ай бұрын

    Can you make a Food episode? Like how did the Italians get introduced to tomatoes and noodles? Give me the history on pasta 🍝 Love your history vids

  • @vizzy5764
    @vizzy57643 ай бұрын

    Blue, you could have talked about this concept for 3 hours and I would've been enraptured the entire time. This flavour of history is my candy. Please never be afraid to make videos like this; I promise at least some of us (me) will eat it up. Grazie mille.

  • @howardbanich8599
    @howardbanich85993 ай бұрын

    Awesome all the way Blue! Oddly enough, just this morning I was daydreaming about this EXACT topic, so either I have some kind of benevolent mind control I didn't know about, or for once I was just lucky. I'll go with lucky. Many thanks, you made my day!

  • @15drasedrase
    @15drasedrase3 ай бұрын

    Thank you OSP team for always putting out amazing work :)

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado34303 ай бұрын

    Always learn so much from you guys! You're godsends for homework and assigments! God bless You all🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @maarcvaalmaarcvaal8325
    @maarcvaalmaarcvaal83253 ай бұрын

    Grazie mille per aver parlato dei tanti dialetti che ha l'Italia! Io stesso parlo solo il dialetto romanesco (e ovviamente l'italiano), quindi vederti riconoscere tutte queste lingue è davvero bello. :)

  • @here4thecatvids
    @here4thecatvids3 ай бұрын

    A worthy first non-stream video of the year with good memes included and opportunities. Also an excellent shout out to the field of professional translating! But the way Blue said "Oh no" near the end of the video it kinda sounded like our favourite Italian plumber Mario and then my brain immediately told me that more Mario sounds would make this even better, and I'm afraid my more rational side agrees

  • @friendly_sitie
    @friendly_sitie3 ай бұрын

    OSP made an Italian Linguistics video??? Is it my birthday??? Is this like a last meal sort of situation and I'm going to die soon and Spiderman's visiting me in the hospital??? What's going on?? Thanks for the well-researched and entertaining video.