I’m one of Quanah Parker’s great grandchildren and I’m actually named after his father, Nokona. I’ve been in the house, but it’s been about 6 or 7 years since. I remember it being old (of course)

@penguintaco9038

4 жыл бұрын

Honored to meet you. I have Comanche heritage myself on my father's side. But I look pretty white so I'm hesitant of making that claim nowadays.

@g-field6687

4 жыл бұрын

Lumpy Dumper and your president fakes being a stable genius every day ..

@g-field6687

4 жыл бұрын

Lumpy Dumper well he’s your cult leader

@g-field6687

4 жыл бұрын

Lumpy Dumper well better than looking like you inbred..

@bunyabunyatv853

4 жыл бұрын

get a room you two

I live in Cache OK, been a fan for years and I’m blown away that our town is being talked about on the podcast. Having said that it’s sad that the house is not only falling apart but that the owner does nothing about it. It’s gated off, you can’t see it unless you get let in. Cache is a small town and it would be night and day if the house was opened up as a tourist attraction but I fear, it’s too late to save it.

@chadwickvon8019

4 жыл бұрын

Kawana parker is my great great great great uncle. This podcast is awesome

@platii3176

4 жыл бұрын

I’m from wichita falls and this is really cool to see

@chadwickvon8019

4 жыл бұрын

@@knatsomitab7376 exactly

@gmmakesmehurl

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadwickvon8019 Cool, but isn't his name spelled Quanah?

@gmmakesmehurl

4 жыл бұрын

I lived in Comanche for several years and used to go to Cache every so often. I had always wanted to see the house, and the gate was open, so I drove down to take a look. Well, the owner happened to be out in the field near the road halfway down. I didn't realize at the time that it wasn't public property anymore, so we turned around and got out of there thinking we might get shot at. Still didn't get to see the house.

I’m a proud descendant of Quanah Parker. He’s my third great grandfather. I had the pleasure of visiting Star House about 15 years ago and got to meet Mr. Gibson. Funny story, he and his dog would never go upstairs. He said something about it didn’t feel welcoming. My mom, who is sensitive to feelings started up the stairs and turned right around. She too felt a very, uneasy feeling. I had no problem going up there and yes, felt creeped out, but probably because of my mom. None the less, a great tale, Quanah Parkers life!!

@adamgalindo420

3 жыл бұрын

When natives pass they leave their presence wherever they pass like a grave or a house, thats why when people build their own house on land in the southwest they accidentally build it on ancient graves for the Native americans and hauntings occur, ima Hispanic but i love the Native American Culture its so interesting your lucky to be a descendant man

@kolbylocklin1994

2 жыл бұрын

THIS IS MY 5Gen great grandpa you can look my ancestry up. LOCKLIN IS THE LAST NAME. Im 38% native Im in his AUTO BIOGRAPHY. IN THE BOOK. NOT LYING. MY GRANDPA IS HIS 4 GREAT GRANDPA i get free college because of it

@dewilew2137

Жыл бұрын

@@kolbylocklin1994 so you and Tonica are related!

@gatocles99

Жыл бұрын

Very silly, considering that it is not the original location of the house.

I found the book, Empire of the Summer Moon, while helping my aunt clean out her shed. Weeks later, I hear it mentioned on the podcast, imagine my excitement when I found out I indeed have the book, and have been reading it since. I am only five chapters in, and haven't had a dull moment yet.

I started reading his book, summer moon, after I seen this interview. I'm on chapter eight, and I'm hooked.

@wakeup8052

3 жыл бұрын

Mee too

@supermard7872

2 жыл бұрын

Saw*

@kolbylocklin1994

2 жыл бұрын

THIS IS MY 5Gen great grandpa you can look my ancestry up. LOCKLIN IS THE LAST NAME. Im 38% native Im in his AUTO BIOGRAPHY. IN THE BOOK. NOT LYING. MY GRANDPA IS HIS 4 GREAT GRANDPA i get free college because of it

@tayloralvidrez4342

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I'm a tribal member. (I say that because 70% of Americans claim to be Indians, "my great great aunt was"...) Great book so far. Should be required reading at Indian schools

I actually know Wayne Gipson. I need to ask him if he knows that Joe Rogan said for him to get his shit together

@adamhonestyanddecency5054

3 жыл бұрын

After the interview? What was he talking about?

@Sticky6Ft

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamhonestyanddecency5054 preserving the home of Comanche Chief Quanah Parker

@wsfunk

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sticky6Ft any update on that?

@Sticky6Ft

3 жыл бұрын

@@wsfunk unfortunately no. To my knowledge, Wayne moved outta Cache a few months ago but I could be wrong

@jtkraken23

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sticky6Ft 🧢

It is a CRYING SHAME that house has not been preserved for future generations to learn about and pass on the history

I love Native American History and the history of the western US. Empire of the Summer Moon is one of the best historical books I've read. The Comanche were ruthless, a far cry from the stoic peace-loving portrayals we often see of "Indians." The story of Quannah Parker is remarkable and well worth reading.

@noconaroubideaux9423

4 жыл бұрын

Empire of the Summer Moon is trash academically.

@thelowe6393

4 жыл бұрын

@@noconaroubideaux9423 How so? Please don't take my comment as a slight against the Comanche. I was struck by the life of Quannah.

@noconaroubideaux9423

4 жыл бұрын

@@thelowe6393 He wrote about people who are still alive without talking to those people. Many of his actual sources are those propaganda type news reports and documents. He looked at his sources as the truth and never accounted for the discrepancies of media that didn't echo his primary source material. For example, he says we practiced torture for no discernible reason. However, many of our captives said they were never tortured. While torture was used, it was by no means a standard of conduct and adoption was more so the norm. Many of our 'ruthless' actions were not random either, usually being the result of wrongs done that we believed needed to be addressed. We often times made peace with less powerful tribes and placed them under our protection. The author would have known most of this had he talked to us. While most of his raw data is correct, his ability to understand that data and interpret it was garbage. We were not perfect by any stretch but this guy makes us out to be fucking monsters.

@thelowe6393

4 жыл бұрын

@@noconaroubideaux9423 I see. Thanks for your thoughts and additional information. I respect your perspective. All societies perform 'ruthless' acts, which is not to excuse any of it, and certainly the Comanche were not exclusive in that regard. I didn't mean it in a negative way as much as they/you were the most feared and largest of the Plains Tribes. Someone has to occupy that position. True warrior culture. That is your history and regardless, you should be proud of it. Just fyi, I didn't come away thinking the Comanche were fu**ing monsters.

@noconaroubideaux9423

4 жыл бұрын

@@thelowe6393 I didn't really think you meant to be disrespectful by saying ruthless. I put it in quotation marks because half the time those stories are exaggerated. Texas was famous for printing these overblown accounts and using them in government reports so the U.S. would get involved. You mentioned Quanah Parker and the Parker family is an example of this. Most people know the story, and it was widely shared throughout the nation at the time, that it was basically a wholesale slaughter of the family. What they never printed in the news or told the US government was that the Parker family built their ranch on our treaty land and were told to leave multiple times before they actually got attacked. Most of the women and children were allowed to escape and a few of the men were as well. You can contrast this with the Meusebach Comanche Treaty since the german immigration company led by Meusebach also made their settlement in our treaty territory. The difference is that Meusebach himself went to as many of our camps as possible and explained what the deal was and that they meant no harm and wanted no problem. We signed a treaty with them and, to this day, its the only treaty not broken. I think you might find a speech, often labelled as one of the greatest speeches ever given in America, by one of our greatest warriors rather enlightening so I'll end this little reply with that. "My heart is filled with joy when I see you here today, as the brooks fill with water when the snows melt in the spring. I feel glad as the ponies do when the fresh grass starts in the beginning of the year. My people have never first drawn a bow or fired a gun against the whites. There has been trouble between us. My young men have danced the war dance. But it was not begun by us. It was you who sent the first soldier. Two years ago I came upon this road, following the buffalo,that my wives and children might have their cheeks plump and their bodies warm. But the soldiers fired on us. So it was upon the Canadian River. Nor have we been made to cry once only. The blue-dressed soldiers came out from the night, and for campfires they lit our lodges. Instead of hunting game they killed our braves, and the warriors of the tribe cut short their hair for the dead. So it was in Texas. They made sorrow in our camps, and we went out like the buffalo bulls when the cows are attacked. When we found them we killed them, and their scalps hung in our lodges. The Comanches are not weak and blind, like the pups of a dog when seven days old. They are strong and far-sighted, like grown horses. We took their road and we went on it. The white women cried and our women laughed. But there are things that you have said to me which I do not like. They were not sweet like sugar, but bitter like gourds. You have said that you want to put us on a reservation, to build us houses and to make us medicine lodges. I do not want them. I was born under the prairie, where the wind blew free and there was nothing to break the light of the sun. I was born where there were no walls and everything drew free breath. I want to die there, not within walls. I know every stream and every wood between the Rio Grande and the Arkansas River. I have hunted and lived all over that country. I live like my fathers before me and like them I live happily. When I was in Washington the Great Father told me that all the Comanche land was ours and that no one should hinder us from living on it. So why do you ask us to leave the rivers and the sun and the wind and live in houses? Do not tell us to give up the buffalo for the sheep. The young men hear talk of this, and it makes them sad and angry. Do not speak of it more. I love to carry out the talk I heard from the Great Father. When I get goods and presents my people feel glad, since it shows that he holds us in his eye. If the Texans had kept out of my country there might have been peace. But that which you say we must now live in is too small. The Texans have taken away the places where the grass grew thickest and the timber was best. Had we kept that, we might have done as you ask. But it is too late. The whites took the country which we loved, and we wish only to wander the prairie til we die."

I am part Seneca Iroquois and I have a pit in my stomach about this!!! They NEED TO SAVE THE HOUSE.

I served at Ft. Sill and the range to the West, which is gated because it crosses a public road, is called Quanah Range. I had no idea about the historical significance.

I've restored many houses back in new england. The house can be restored with extensive replacement wood. It was probably built with pecan, oak and mesquite wood which is native to the area.

@noconaroubideaux9423

4 жыл бұрын

We've tried. The white guy who owns it won't let us restore it.

@jimoneprism

4 жыл бұрын

I got Chinese duct tape.....

@PlannedObsolescence

4 жыл бұрын

Nocona Roubideaux - I’m sure some of the other people who’ve tried to save it are also white.

@noconaroubideaux9423

4 жыл бұрын

@@PlannedObsolescence Yea, we have white friends cause we're not racist like that and we include white people we live with when we say us. The fuck that got to do with the white guy letting rot?

@monolith94

3 жыл бұрын

Nocona Roubideaux why point out that the guy is white in the first place?

Historian S.C. Gwynne did a superb bio of Stonewall Jackson also!

Just in Cache for Christmas with family... They live right across street from ole park that star house sits at... Sure hope Mr. Gibson does the right thing and allow other's to take care of history... Went to visit Geronimo's grave on base... Excellent spirit energy there...

@SoBayK80

2 жыл бұрын

The grave on base is creepy, I can still remember the smell of the jail museum, my grandfather took me every year to elucidate the importance of old ways.

@markgamble7699

2 жыл бұрын

@@SoBayK80 yes on the smell of jail… it was there in our visit…

@markgamble7699

2 жыл бұрын

@@SoBayK80 Graves probably there to keep other’s from digging up artifacts…

1000 years from now, many will remember fondly the gangs that roamed freely and dangerously through old Los Angeles.

@conlinbryant5037

4 жыл бұрын

Original comment

@Rustsamurai1

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha!

@GAndreC

4 жыл бұрын

Well it depends on how much positive PR they buy since if that city exists organizations of that sort will still be there.

@LunsJail

3 жыл бұрын

We remember fondly now. Go watch Vlad

@franklinjackson3637

3 жыл бұрын

If you're equating native American society to LA gang culture that would be the highest order of racial ignorance

I live in Texas and my mom is related to the Parker family. The same Parker family produced Quanah Parker and Bonnie Parker of Bonnie and Clyde.

@uberkloden

4 жыл бұрын

Really, you re related to Quahnahs mother?

@nativewhisperssociety7968

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yep! That’s totally a fact I do genealogy and it’s true!! :)

@nativewhisperssociety7968

3 жыл бұрын

@@uberkloden I am as well Hard to believe? Look up Cynthia Ann Parker at geni. Com She has many descendants

It’s so sad I personally went there n tried soooo hard to get Wayne and his sister Ginger to start a not for profit historic preservation with 4 people and they acted like they we to scared to make a move... I had to move on... they are very simple people ... good people but... frankly sadly lost... Wayne saw his father fall off of the roller coaster and die and their mother passed away about 10 years ago many years ago their amusement park we’re going to Parkers house is was one of the greatest attractions in the region and those two people are just trying to hang on to the past while it is crumbling before them it’s sad to say but I witnessed it firsthand

Lmao! First guest I've seen who didn't let Joe interrupt.

@Turtlebuck559

8 ай бұрын

Neil ? 😂

@obi9065

8 ай бұрын

@@Turtlebuck559 lol

I talked to the owners the house one time. The problem is the Comanche Nation wants to move the house and take it. Which I can understand them wanting to do that. But for the sake of just preserving it, they won’t help persevere it on site where it sits. It needs a giant structure - like a pole barn built over it to keep it out of the weather. When I talked to the guy, it’s been several years ago, he said he would allow that to happen, but he didn’t want any liability if someone gets hurt on his property building it. So - if anyone out there has money - and can afford it - and promises not to sue the guy if you get hurt, the man will let you build a giant pole barn to keep it out of the weather. By the way, the man is a dog lover. He seems a little off when you approach him and talk to him, but once you start to love all over his dog, the man comes out of his shell and opens up.

@ll2323

6 ай бұрын

I get it, where it sits now isnt where it was or built, so they probably want to take it home. But it’s not like Quanah built it himself. But it’s still save able.

What is the wisdom of not restoring this historical property, when so many groups are willing to help?

The owner sounds like one of those "I know what I got" kind of guys that would rather see something rot than let it go. In the end his land will be auctioned by his descendants or the bank after he's gone.

@dominic5472

4 жыл бұрын

Right. At least put a fucking tarp over the holes in the roof.

@kiddhitta

4 жыл бұрын

He doesn't even have to sell it. Dude said people were willing to just help preserve it. Seems completely selfish of the dude to let a huge piece of history rot away.

@testodude

4 жыл бұрын

Wayne is waiting for a big FAT cash offer is my guess. I don't blame him really-- he's probably being low-balled.

Native American Church is still going strong!

@maxsteinlechner6085

4 жыл бұрын

Is native American church practicing Christianity with native influences or does it recreate their old spirituality?

@penguintaco9038

4 жыл бұрын

How can I join?

@danielmacias439

4 жыл бұрын

Don Crawallo depends on the fireplace. It’s mostly native spirituality with Christian influences. I have yet to sit in a ceremony where it’s the other way around but that’s not to say it doesn’t happen. Our church acknowledges a lot of huichol beliefs given that it’s the birthplace of the medicine.

@rs420xl9

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielmacias439 saca la Ayahuasca y sananos...

@jacksprat4317

4 жыл бұрын

Of course joe is interested in the peyote rituals,LOL.

Crazy the house has to be preserved. Has so much history

The legacy of the Native peoples here in the New World just doesn't seem to matter. The disrespect and hatred is incredible and it makes me sick to my stomach the more I learn about this country's foundation. If the Star House had been the house of some famous Texas Ranger you bet your ass that house would be in mint condition and a historical monument.

It's a shame if that falls down. There is so little physical remnants of a great culture. It should be restored.

@user-bn6ky1gu7m

Ай бұрын

they should restore the outhouse Sitting Bull took his last dump in before his own people murdered him. now that preserving Culture

This guy is so cool could listen to him all day

I’m stationed at fort sill Oklahoma in Lawton. I saw the name and there’s a damn and lake named after him in the wildlife refuge boarding base.

@gmmakesmehurl

4 жыл бұрын

He's buried at Ft. Sill.

@gmandersonjr

4 жыл бұрын

My cousin is the game and fish warden there. He is 1/2 native- Cherokee.

Cool stuff. I didn't know any of this.

I love that Joe took the ship of Theseus metaphor as literal.

@georux6783

6 ай бұрын

I had to comment. I learned of the Theseus paradox from a marvel movie.. (small series) involving, "Vision" kzread.info/dash/bejne/npijyplqpbHAnc4.htmlsi=Vbv7eJuoEYKblAW3

Wayne’s dad fell off the roller coaster and died right in front of him...his mom passed a decade ago and him and his sister are like hanging onto the ghosts of the past...and destroying it at the same time... I tried I really did many many many have to no avail .

@temsedgwick9494

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know why he is refusing help to get it refurbished?

@nativewhisperssociety7968

3 жыл бұрын

@@temsedgwick9494 It’s really hard for me to say but Wayne is a friend of mine ..I do know him personally and I believe that he is simply clinging to his parents and the past that their family once had because he simply does not know any other life than going down to the café and helping to take care of the community. I asked him one time what would he do if he didn’t have to take care of the café and he said he had no idea what he would do. That’s the best explanation I can come up with honestly. ...because Wayne is a very good person and he is not doing this to be malicious I can promise you that.

@temsedgwick9494

3 жыл бұрын

@@nativewhisperssociety7968 thank you for sharing. It’s a fascinating, and sad, story! I appreciate you adding some context.

@nativewhisperssociety7968

3 жыл бұрын

@@temsedgwick9494 i’m not entirely convinced that he is refusing help necessarily. I have heard many stories how he was offered $1 million for the house and that is simply not true. I honestly do not think that there has been an honest attempt at really fixing the house on the part of the Tribe or Any other parties Tho I’ve HEARD there have been offers to help I’ve yet to see that they are at all true . I think the 6666 ranch ought to lend a hand... without Quanahs generosity that family would’ve never made it!

@neondreams4016

3 ай бұрын

@@nativewhisperssociety7968 now Westwin elements is coming in and stopping on Deyo mission

Correct me if I'm wrong, but back in the day Fort Sill was the, geo-graphically, largest US military base. "Gun range" means artillery, and Ft. Sill is the US's ATC (Artillery Training Center).

@neondreams4016

3 ай бұрын

Yes I live here

My father's name is Quanah lol we are located in North Texas but he grew up in Oklahoma

S. C. Gwynne is even more of one of my favorites now that I think his voice sounds like Linguini from Ratatouille

Kind of reminds me of a friend of mine that had a 70 dodge cuda with a 440 all original in a field at his grandparents house like 20 years ago. Everyone begged him to pull it out of there get it in a shop and restore it, or sell it to someone that would, and he stated that he would rather let it rot away to nothing than sell it or restore it...sad

@victor75208

4 жыл бұрын

Wow what a piece of shit.

@baikhous

2 жыл бұрын

You just can't fix stupid sometimes.

Shout out to Nocona,Texas and Quanah,Texas. I'm from Electra,Texas.Alot of history in the Texoma area.

Very interesting.

Being a caretaker of history means..... you have to take care of that history! Allowing such history to be destroyed by time and elements without lifting a finger to stop it, is criminal. Hording such history away from those who would properly preserve said history for future generations, is arrogant and selfish. Exactly the attitude the Comanche fought against. Hasn't the cancel culture done enough damage to history in the last year. That house may have meaning to "your family" but it has far more meaning to the Comanche Nation, the rightful owners.

I knew some Parker's who were related. Been to Quanah,Tx. Of course.

When I was a kid, my dad and I saw a guy replacing rotting logs on a log cabin built buy the Lewis and Clark expedition. My dad asked him about it and the guy said all the logs have been replaced numerous times.

How about displaying the visual references so your audience can view them too?

Heard the badass story of Quanah Parker during quarantine, reminds me of Germanic leader Arminius 2 millenias earlier...

I live in Oklahoma and I’ve been working on gettin some money saved up to help this house out we need people to help us!!! Someone please! I think if we can start a movement big enough we can make this happen!

the Star House was modeled after the governors house at the time.Check it out.

Joe. If you replace the wood on a house it’s still the same house. It may not have the original wood but the house still stands and it’s history in that space is the same. Same for boats. How many Old sailing vessels have been reclaimed or shot up battles and put back to sea? It’s still the same boat. And if they were sunk none of that “new“ wood used in the repair his original either. Therefore the guy who owns the house should take the help to preserve the property otherwise risk losing at all for eternity. Because it is less of the same property if it collapses or is completely razed and rebuilt as a complete reproduction.

@Eddy-dn1jx

4 жыл бұрын

He literally said that.

@matthewbittenbender9191

4 жыл бұрын

Alfred Rieder nope. Rewatch it.

@davidwarren719

4 жыл бұрын

Did Theseus live in said house, though?

@Eddy-dn1jx

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbittenbender9191 you fuckin rewatch it. Right after saying it wouldn't be the same house he says it's at least better to have it restored with as much original as possible. You're nitpicking gtfoh with that shite

@matthewbittenbender9191

4 жыл бұрын

Alfred Rieder yeah, dipshit! I just explained it on detail. Yet you’re on some hypothetical keyboard warrior bullshit rant for the sake of ranting! Go back to Reddit you fucking loser!

in the 70's, my aunt tried doing a family tree. she was able to trace it back surprisingly far, but indians dont keep records, so it just stops where my dads side is no longer mixed with europeans. im fortunate enough to live where my native ancestors lived before fleeing the US to canada to avoid the settlers

The amusement park he's talking about is Eagle Park!!

Living in the town of Cache, the Parker family is very large and is filled with very kind and loyal people. The Starhouse has been here for years and the last time I remember going to see it when I was 13 and we had to sneak on the property at night. While there, me and my 2 other friends experienced some wild shit. Strange noises, weird little shadows running around and chattering in some language that didn't sound modern whatsoever. Only 20 minutes after getting there, we ran away, terrified. We told everyone we could about it, but we were shrugged off by everyone; except the older natives of the town. Don't fuck with Spiritual Native Grounds. Them Spirits don't fuck around

@neondreams4016

3 ай бұрын

Now Westwin elements is coming in and taking over Deyo mission

Joe, read the book, The Same Axe Twice it answers your question on restoration.

The ship of Theseus.. or Theseus' paradox. Is it still the same boat (House) if all the wood is replaced..?

I have Indian on both sides of my family and I'm proud my dad's Latin and my mom's Irish and both of their grandparents were Indians

I made a brownie once.

The ranchers must of been making out like bandits if they built him a house.

To me from birth on Quanah Parker was a great leader accomplishing many things!

The only thing that really bugs me is what business does a 60s British pop singer have owning and neglecting an native american historical landmark

The water does the rot , it would have to completely be torn apart , room by room , board by board .

Our mistake is that we're trying to read them through language.

he mentioned the Spanish like quanah was around back then? lol

Great great great grandson

Joe “Get your shit together Wayne” Rogan

I also, have eaten peyote. Now onto this Quantum Parking issue at hand....

Why doesnt joe contact Don jr who could talk to the President about making it a national land mark?

@angryasianwaitercineplex5373

4 жыл бұрын

...daddy Trump would probably claim it was built by illegal aliens and have it bulldozed.

@cadefletcher6571

4 жыл бұрын

@@angryasianwaitercineplex5373 yeah who knows ay i care more about preserving this piece of history than the political nonsense Joe said he talks to Don jr sometimes so its worth a shot

@g-field6687

4 жыл бұрын

Cade Fletcher if there’s no money in it for him he won’t give a shit ..

@angryasianwaitercineplex5373

4 жыл бұрын

@@cadefletcher6571 oh I agree should be preserved ....wtf it's not a historical landmark is beyond comprehension.

@testodude

4 жыл бұрын

Cut Wayne a big fat check. I bet he'd sell for 5 mil.

I own the land next Quanah Parkes farm. I bought the 80 acre farm with the well built 1909 house on it from the four Parker children. beautiful place. about 60 miles south of Ft Worth

@neondreams4016

3 ай бұрын

Now Westwin elements is coming in and taking over Deyo mission

That shack is one good twister away from being gone forever

@testodude

4 жыл бұрын

or a fire-- place looks abandoned.

I think the Comanche nation should do one last "raid" on the house. Take it back. We'd all understand... 😉

How about you use some of that Spotify money and save it Joe?

I am also a descendant. Viola Parker was my grandmother.

Shame on the now owner Wayne for not preserving this historical house. He needs to sell it to somebody who actually gives a damn.

“I was fascinated by the peyote rituals” oh no, you Joe? That caught your eye? 🤣😂🤣

Documentary by son Vincent shows photo of Indian Chief holding bow & arrows held together by left hand ?

My really great grandfather is quana parker

Cmon Wayne

We are still here! 5 million of us!! You cant kill us all!!

@joshmatty1077

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not talking about Comanche folks, I talking about all Natives.

@joshmatty1077

4 жыл бұрын

@JAG Send me Link to where you're reading this. They are just talking about this Native guy that was a smart businessman it seemed liked. So I don't understand why you're talking about who was here first? All I said "5 million of us are still here".

@joshmatty1077

4 жыл бұрын

@JAG Haha well I'm Native American, dont dictate what I call myself. And I am not from India. What is funny is that I have a CIB that shows my lineage, which I dont understand why I have to have that just to prove who I am. But I know who I am and where I come from.

@joshmatty1077

4 жыл бұрын

I believe the term is "American Indian" lol it's hard for me to keep up with the WORDING. People are so sensitive these days, but luckily we can say what we want in this country, correct?

@GAndreC

4 жыл бұрын

The thing is although quite a number of descendants of pre European contact people remain few are relevant voting blocs as far as the nation as a whole is concerned simply due to the comparative low population density even though most of the families are larger than the national average.

I could restore this home affordably.

How selfish of that man and his sister to keep such a valuable piece of history all to themselves and worse, let it fall to ruin. I am OK with the government seizing that house, moving it back to Fort Sill, the original location, and turning it into a museum.

Quanah Parker is the father of the Big Moon Peyote Way ceremony.

C'mon Wayne...you know you want someone to restore the home of beloved Quanah Parker. Please let someone capable of historic restoration restore the house asap. This historic home may fall down tomorrow.

Elon and Rogan should buy the house and broadcast out of there!

Nice

My name is tha-tsi-koah burgess I’m Quanah Parker’s third great grand son my dad is Qaunah burgess didn’t think joe Rohan would be talkin about this 😅

Quanah did what many NA chiefs / important men did with their wealth, it's not something to hang on to and horde, they gave away to help their people. It is too bad the house is not being preserved as it should be, the owner shoud realize he is being selfish and should help preserve it.

What gets me is the gap in culture with N American natives and Mexican natives south to S America they were nomadic then became some what sedentary its interesting the maya Aztecs and Inca kept records and built structures etc. I get it though they were in a better environment rather an a open plain.

@smileydog5941

4 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the Aztecs were in an absolutely terrible environment. It just all swamp so they had to build the floating land masses to construct the city. Today Mexico city is sinking because of this reason. Mushy swamp ground

@uberkloden

4 жыл бұрын

Aztec, Shoshone Comanche same people.

@vir042

4 жыл бұрын

Its quite interesting that the area that people live in have such a large sway over how culture develop. It's the same with a lot of the step-tribes in Europe/Asia, they used horses and rode around in huuuuge areas all the way from mongolia to turkey, but not a lot of their culture is preserved from the era before for example the turks invaded turkey etc. It's that grass-land lifestyle that force people to keep moving to get food, creates strong people but not a lot of documentation ;)

i have family on a reservation ..

@testodude

4 жыл бұрын

I have reservations about my family

I love native history but Gibson needs to give it up!!! He’s not taking care of it at all!!

I never gave two shits about native American history even when I was in lawton Oklahoma I had several opportunities to go to museums. But for some reason this struck me with interest i literally just bought the book ten seconds ago off Amazon. Not sure why im fascinated im just a white dude from south Georgia 😂

I wonder what’s underneath this Wayne guy not wanting help in preserving this house!

My neighbor growing up was an old man named Quanah. I can still remember that he used to let me smell his wine when I would come over to get a ball I'd thrown over.

I took to much peyote on my 28th birthday in Amsterdam and i came out my drug induced haze in Berlin. Im not 100% sure how i got there but i assume i jumped on the ICE train (Ice trains are international trains) and ended up in berlin.

@gooeystuff6726

4 жыл бұрын

...nice

@rs420xl9

4 жыл бұрын

How do you guys get peyote in europe?

@howey935

4 жыл бұрын

@@rs420xl9 you can buy it in the head shops in Amsterdam.

@howey935

4 жыл бұрын

@@angryasianwaitercineplex5373 haha fortunatly not. Everything turned into a cartoon but me it felt like id been transported to who framed roger rabbit.

Yes but have you ever tried DMT

Hey now, If I win the Lottery in CA, or anywhere else if I ever move out of State could I buy the house, upgrade it to have it nicely fixed up and hook up electricity and water and have a nice offering of a proper man amongst Quannah Parker's brethren please...... Hehehe

I wish Joe would throw some money and a sit down with the guy to try and save this…….

I went to visit Quannahs house a few hears ago. I agree Gibson is a nice enough guy. So is his wife. But add the both of em IQ together and you might get 80. They don't have the mental capacity to understand the historical value of what they have, and that it should be physically preserved. Gibson told me that the only way he thought it could be preserved, is by not selling it. To him, the definition of preservation, is leaving it as it is.

It’s not ALL in TEXAS… they were the GILBERT LINE FROM PENNSYLVANIA… keep lying

Does any one know of any parkers moving to Australia the Mormons approached my uncle

Joe, I have the solution for the house. Couldn't we suggest to this old fuckin goat that owns the house that we leave the house itself but put up a steel building around it to preserve it from further decay? Seems like a no brainier to me. A fuckin win/win u might say. That would keep the house untouched to make the feeder happy but protect it for the future to make the rest of us happy-ish. And all for barely Into the ten thousands range. Just a thought.

last time i was this early epstein was still alive

I get a kick out of humans trying to grab on to a part of the past. Everything ends up on the compost pile! 100 years we remember, 1,ooo years not so much.

The sheer amount of misinformation spread by Joes podcast is stunning. This guy is a perfect example. Probably spent two weekends in a Texas library to make his book. Without facts he, like many others just tend to make shit up.

EAGLE PARK

Quanah Parker is fascinating story, he got invited to DC also to meet Roosevelt and ride in his car. It’s like if instead of shooting Osama and dumping him the ocean he moved into Graceland and hosted dinner parties with celebrities and continued growing opium fields right in America.

"The Medina Massacre" > CanadaFreePress(.)com last Apache massacre, 45 years after San Jacinto

Joe says our Saviors name so often, I wish he actually KNEW HIM...