Hello Jim, Thank you very much for your kind message chum, that’s much appreciated👍 It’s interesting to put up scopes against eachother like this, as it gives the viewer a chance to see the options out there. Can’t beat actually looking through one though , so everyone, look out for a night vision show event in your area, go along and see for yourself. One booked at The Oxford Gun Co, Friday October 6th🫵 I thing the Cheetah LRF will improve with the firmware update that’s due end of this month, get that PiP zoom sorted and a few more reticle choices too . The Alpex is undoubtably the primary scope on the market, I bought a Pulsar C50, and kept it for a month, before buying my Alpex , but it’s also down to folks eyesight too, that’s why I suggested the try before you buy test. I’ve taken folks out to try my scopes if they’re not sure about which one to go for, so if you get a chance to try one out, do it. Cheers Jim, all the best matey, David

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Hi David. No worries mate thankyou for watching and commenting. Yes it is always better for people to try out scopes first but not everyone can do that. Yes going to shooting events will help out alot I agree but for those who can't make them I hope video's like these will help them. I had yhe C50 over a year ago it's a great scope but for me the Alpex is better. It's good to get peoples feedback though so it was definitely worth doing a video like this. All the best mate 👍

@deanpike8376

10 ай бұрын

David, have you got to book to come to the event in October mate? I'm undecided on which scope to go for, age and eyesight per say. I like my reticles a little thicker. It is a pity regarding the lack of a rail on the Cheetah I like to add my own IR as well. Take care and stay safe lads

@predatorprotectionuk

10 ай бұрын

@@deanpike8376 hello Dean, No need to book chum, it’s a free evening, it will follow in the normal shop hours and run onto the night . The cafe will be open for hot filled rolls etc. I think you should look at the Alpex , as the new reticles that came in the February upgrade had a few better to see reticles👍 For older blokes like me😁

Some more great shooting there again jim mate with a couple of bonus Charlie's, as you know I'm a ATN 4k pro man myself 😂, great scope with the abl fitted, but you definitely don't see the same quality on video as you do when you're looking through the atn itself, however saying that i do like the look of the apex so I think if I was going to buy one of the 3 it would be the Alex 🤔

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Keith and yes I know you're an ATN man mate 😁 and very well you shoot with it to might I say. Yeah like I said you don't appreciate how good the quality is by watching KZread video's you have to experience them yourself. How it does give an idea of what they are like. But for me it has to be the Alpex it's such a great scope.

Great vid again mate thanks. Be good if you link up with the old para. He is an ace guy.

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Thanks mate and yes it would be good to be able to work with him from time to time. 👍

@predatorprotectionuk

10 ай бұрын

Less of the Old!! Cheeky bugger 😁😁😁🪂🪂

Ive owned, borrowed & used almost all & for an all round NV scope, price, clarity, battery life, ease of use, I've got to say the Alpex.

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yes I agree with that but the battery life on the ATN I found to be just as good as the Alpex

Another enjoyable video. I need to get back to shooting one day. 😊

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Thanks mate and if you do let me know 👍

Nicely done as usual Jim.👍🏻

@jimwood

9 ай бұрын

Tjankyou Shaun hope all is well with you mate 👍

The sound is far better using the ATN than the Cheetah, as I have got both, but the Cheetah is half the weight and that's what I am using now on my air rifle 😀, a very good video Jim. Thx Tim 👍

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Hi Tim yes I agree the sound is alot better on the ATN, that is one of the issues with the Alpex and cheetah. The cheetah is by far the lightest until and the new updates for the cheetah are out if not already then it's going to make it better. Like I said in my review on it I wish it had a picitinny rail for additional ir because I found the battery life terrible at night.

@ross4235

10 ай бұрын

If you can get your hands on the new atn gen 5 would like to see how that compares to the alpex

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Is the gen 5 a day/night scope then? And yes I will ask around because I've heard good and bad things about it so I would like to see for myself to.

@timothyjohn3006

10 ай бұрын

@@jimwood No it's ATN 4K, but they are prone to freezing up, this is why I've bought a Cheetah. 👍

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yes I've had that issue with my ATN to.

Hi Jim, I’m looking at all of these for my Brocock Sniper XR. I do like the Cheetah but not sure if it would look out of place, so kind of swayed more towards the Alpex, any help would be great. Cheers

@jimwood

7 ай бұрын

Hi Mark. Firstly thanks for watching and secondly I would pick the Alpex over the cheetah personally. They are both good scopes but I think the cheetah has a couple more faults than the Alpex. Yes the cheetah is compact which I love and the lrf is spot on but they are probably the 2 main reasons to buy one. The Alpex is my goto day/night scope and probably the front objective focus ring is my main hate of the scope as its too stiff but I put a fishing coaster on it. Yes it helps but you shouldn't have to do things like that I don't think. Hope this helps 👍

@markstorr274

7 ай бұрын

@@jimwood thanks for the quick reply Jim, I think on that it will be the Alpex, I am swayed more towards that anyway. I also have a spare coaster so that’s not a problem, thanks again and keep videos coming, great job 👍👍

@jimwood

7 ай бұрын

@markstorr274 no worries Mark and I hope you enjoy it if you get one. I will just say I don't use profile A when sighting in for dome reason the crosshairs don't go central afterwards. Not sure why but other people have said this. All the other profile options are fine to use 👍

@markstorr274

7 ай бұрын

@@jimwood haha when I get one, I’ll keep that in mind when I’m setting it up, thanks again.

I need your advice. Im going to be using the cheetah as an addon only. Ive bought the unit and didnt realise that its only optical zoom in addon form and digital in riflescope form. So my question is... is it any good as an addon (using an additional i.r) out to 70 maybe 100 yds, on 1x zoom. I also use a f.f.p scope lowest mag is 4.5x Cheers

@jimwood

8 ай бұрын

Hi thankyou for your question, regarding the unit as an add on I have tried it that way I've only used it as a scope. I would suggest contacting James at Opticswarehouse and ask him. My apologies for not being able to help with this one. When I was sent it the attachment to make it front mounted wasn't in the box. I hope you can get the answer you're looking for from James.

@honda16001

8 ай бұрын

@@jimwood ok no worries thanks for replying though.

They all look prteey damn good to me, hiks maybe a bit sharper. Id like to upgrade my dayscope with patd 007 sometime on my 223 for foxing, ive heard alpex is the better choice for centre fire, is this true? Is it because of long rage image quality or is it to do with recoil etc, with a top illuminator such as wraith+, could you get a clear image out to say 400-500m ive only shot out tp 200 so far but its nice to know theres more if you want to stretch it etc. Or more likely for identification purposes prior to moving in or calling etc.

@jimwood

5 ай бұрын

I personally really like the hikmicro products but they do have some issues just like any other products. As for the pard yes its a very good rear add on and I have owned one in the past to great effect. But I prefer a conventional day/night vision scope like the Alpex or the Pulsar C50, mainly because you don't have to worry about setting the day scope up to accommodate the rear add on. With the Alpex the image quality is brilliant I think so check out my other video's with it and I use the irlightbuilds laser and can easily identify a fox out to 400 yards. At the end of the day it's personal preference to whatever suits your shooting requirements. But for me the Alpex is a winner and I can't wait to get the new Alpex lrf next month. Hope this helps and let me know what you choose to do.

@stephenoshea1166

5 ай бұрын

@@jimwood Thanks Jim, I'm getting on well with the pard, but do like the idea of trying something new in time, a thermal lrf spotter too but its all £££, a cheetah for the 22 lr i think would be nice too but cant di it all 😁, i think the alpex would be the way to go when trying a new scope, thanks for the feedback!!

@jimwood

5 ай бұрын

@stephenoshea1166 no problem mate I will always try and help wherever I can as that's what it's all about. The Cheetah lrf is a nice scope but if you use it at night the battery life doesn't last long as the built-in ir torch drains it as well so carry a few batteries with you. But I got round it by using my power bank with a long USB lead and kept it in my pocket so job done. The Alpex battery life is really good and what with the new Alpex out next month I can imagine quite a few people will be selling their original Alpex so keep an eye out for a bargain. As for a thermal lrf the hikmicro gryphon base model is good and the price of those has come down alot.

Hi. How do you adjust the lrf reticle on the cheetah please?

Awesome stuff Jim , vey good bits of kit , all seem to perform well 👍👍🤠

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yeah they do Col but each one has its issues but for me the Alpex is still on top mate

@c.h.fieldsports9876

10 ай бұрын

@@jimwood I reckon you’d definitely get a better feel for them using them rather than seeing how they perform on video, same as anything really , although, your reviews are more honest than some

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely mate you have to check them out personally but it's not always possible. Yeah I hope my reviews help alot of folk out.

@c.h.fieldsports9876

10 ай бұрын

@@jimwood I reckon they do , if someone is in the market for one of those units your reviews would sway them one way or another

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yeah absolutely

hi jim pards ds 35 70 and 50 lrf are both good a with balistic calculater on board and easy swapout 18650 bateries just take spares

@jimwood

7 ай бұрын

Hi Mick thanks for letting me know mate I've still not tried one yet but hopefully will do soon.

I have both the Alpex and the 3-14 ATN 4K pro. I prefer the ATN in the day due to the greater resolution but I prefer the Alpex at dusk/night. I also have the LRF for the ATN and the ballistic calculator is very good but with the LRF and laser IR fitted it's very heavy. The Alpex with laser IR is much lighter. Can't speak for the cheetah never used one but I believe the LRF is only that, no ballistic calculator but looks very good. Bottom line they are all very capable day/night scopes.

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yes they are all good scopes and I know what you mean with the ATN ABL it's a great bit of kit. I had one a while ago battery went flat in it and it never worked after that.

the cheeta for me going by these videos, thanks jim 👍

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for you're comment Dave it's interesting to see people's comments I'm glad I did this video

@davidr4310

10 ай бұрын

@@jimwood these videos are great for us shooters trying to decide what scope is best , thanks for taking the time to make the video mate 👍

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

You're welcome, I enjoy putting together these kind of video's and fingers crossed I'm going to be test and reviewing the Infiray tube TD50L very soon and I'm going to put it against the Alpex. Hopefully that will be a good one to watch to.

I think your focusing wasn't very good at times. It's the first time I've seen footage from the cheetah, I have a ATN 4k pro, and I have a photon rt and a pard 35/70 lrf. Imo, I think the cheetah has the edge, but that fox was amazingly clear in the alpex at night. 👍 Great vid, I enjoyed that. 👍🦊

@jimwood

5 ай бұрын

I agree the focusing was abit off at times but sometimes you have to take the shot quickly so focusing gets missed. Yes the footage of the fox at night was crystal clear and I do like the cheetah as well, it's perfect for air rifle and rimfire. Not tried the ds or photon how do you find them? Thanks for watching 👍

On thr cheetha footage what zero was u shooting . Did not say on top right of lmage

Great video it’s the Alpex for me followed by the Cheetah 👍

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Thanks mate and yes same here 👍

Interesting video, it would be the cheetah for me, picture quality is good, unit is compact which would suit my air rifle.

@jimwood

9 ай бұрын

I agree it's perfect for the airgunner and yes its compact size is ideal for that. Thank you for watching 👍

The Alpex and cheetah are very good, but I wouldn't swap my ATN4K Pro 3-14 fitted with a ABL for all the tea in China, it's brilliant, the Ballistic calculator is awesome, infact I have 2, and I use a Sniper hog 66LRX, with the 940nm pill, nothing can see it 🤓

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

The ATN is a great scope I agree and has served me well all these years, I just think the Alpex is better but like the ATN it does have faults. I've heard people say about the sniper hog ir is it really that good?

IMHO you need to state range and magnification of shots for an accurate comparison, daylight tests on the same day and weather. Some shots appear to be out of focus.

I do like the Cheetah, but you know, all three show a good view. I think if I had to pick one, I'd buy the Cheetah first then if the piggy bank has more cash in it, I'd go for the Alpex. I especially enjoyed the fox shots.

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment mate and I think you are the first to say you would buy the cheetah out the 3. This is why I decided to do this video it's great to see people's thoughts on these scopes. And yes I had to put in a couple of clips with the foxes.

For me it’s the Alpex and Cheetah that are the best all round with the Alpex being my favourite as I own one lol 😂

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Same for me mate the Alpex is a cracking scope. 👍

My money is on the Alpex! Love those bonus foxes 😂🦊🎯🐰👌

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yep 100% and yes always good to bag a bonus or 2 mate 👍

Jim have you tried the wulf 4k day and night scope

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

No mate I've not had anything to do with it yet. Hopefully I will at some point. Do you have one or tried one?

@pauljennings7533

10 ай бұрын

Have bought one jim from optics warehouse haven't had a chance to get out with it yet

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Ok well let me know what you think of it I would be interested to know mate 👍

@pauljennings7533

9 ай бұрын

@jimwood if you want to private send me your address I will send the wulf 4k night and day scope to you to try out I won't be using it for a few months due to ill health

@jimwood

9 ай бұрын

Hi Paul firstly sorry to hear of you're ill health mate I hope you're going to be ok. And that's very kind of you to offer that. If you're absolutely sure about that then great yes I would love to thankyou.

I have an alpex on a anchutz .22lr and im getting rid of it for 3 reasons, 1 its too heavy, 2 its got no lrf and 3 i find the mags too low. Its a bit of a let down from hic, i thought they might have developed a small lrf unit to go on the alpex but it seems thats not happening so mines going the journey.

@jimwood

8 ай бұрын

Apparently they did design one but it wasn't very good and over priced from what I heard. I don't find the weight too much of a problem I think its lighter than the ATN. I guess when it comes to the mags it depends what you want it for regarding ranges. It's fine for what I need it for. Have you seen the new Infiray tube version 2? It has a better magnification. Not sure about the weight as I've not tried one and I think you can get an lrf for it.

@pistolpete938

8 ай бұрын

@@jimwood no I haven't as yet, I'm holding off for a while iv put my old 008 back on for now and I'm selling the alpex.

@jimwood

8 ай бұрын

@pistolpete938 well if you get a chance check out some videos on KZread about it. What rifle will the scope be mainly used on?

@pistolpete938

8 ай бұрын

@@jimwood an anchutz. 22lr

I have a x sight 4k +ABL on a 17HMR brilliant combo but a lump. Alpex on a .243 Brilliant scope with pbir and looks conventiona for deer a Chettah on a .22 rim perfect combo for walking the hedges nice and light and an old n550 on an air rifle for rats in the garden a bit like a mother ship but still does the job but a lump.

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yeah they are all suited to certain types of shooting mate. Nice to hear what you use though 👍

@misterlewgee8874

10 ай бұрын

It is a lump ..

I think the ATN looks best at night followed very closely by the alpex. But the alpex is better in more ways then just the image.. i have both i like the atn grate scope but not waterproof but had an 18 hour battery life the alpex is fully waterproof and i think 12 hour battery life but they both have there places.. if i had to go and buy one now id go alpex ..

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for you're comment mate and yes its the Alpex for me to. But I do still like my ATN I've had it for years. Its a big old until but has features that the Alpex doesn't.

Looking at sub 12 only, rats rabbits and squirrels think the Cheetah will do. For longer range defo the Alpex.

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yep close range shooting the cheetah performs really well and yes the Alpex for longer range, though I do use the Alpex for my rabbiting 👍

I think the alpex looks best day and night

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

I do agree with you but it's nice seeing what people think. Thanks for watching 👍

👍

Alpex for me Jim 👍

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely same for me mate 👍

ATN , perhaps marginally not as good...perhaps...but....how old is that scope...5 or 6 years old? And it has ballistics and LRF upgradeable....reliability used to be an issue...but...internal battery life was great. Not knowing the range of what you're looking at makes bit harder to judge... It's been said that all NV looks good at 100m. It's the longer range performance that's important...and,...that's hard to compare due to different "air" conditions ..dust, moisture .that greatly impact NV performance.. I'm waiting for a vast improvement in NV picture quality that has lrf and ballistics ....recently saw a Rico? Thermal scope that had organic base mag zoom adjust.....if this could be done on NV, ie, 5x to 10x or 15x organic zoom....then...that'd probably make 200, 300 yards seem alot more friendly ...clear. Liked your video....new scopes vs ATN is always interesting...usually with ATN performing very well, as good, or, not significantly behind ...imo Also like ATN multiple ballistic setups ..and onboard video playback...

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Firstly thanks for liking my video and I totally get where you're coming from. Yes my ATN is approximately 6 years old and when it came out it probably was the best day/night vision scope on the market with a great battery life. And to be fair mine still holds a great charge. Regarding long distance at night personally I think that is the main area all manufacturers should concentrate on especially when zooming in ad most if not all scopes pixelate quite badly. I'm sure with the technology available they will sort this out. Regarding the clips I used in my video I couldn't remember the ranges but they were between 30 to 80 yards. I have been in touch with hikmicro's technical team and have put some ideas to them so see what happens aye.

@misterlewgee8874

10 ай бұрын

@@jimwood i tried new pard scope...almost very good. Seems they put a low res screen with high res sensor... crosshairs seemed thick to me ..compared to pulsar xm50. And ballistics failed on profile E. Menu was horrible..onboard torch was goid...if they fixed those issues...then would've been pretty good.. I think organic zoom...or a much better sensor... The future should present this ..I trust .

@jimwood

9 ай бұрын

I've not seen the new pard yet. Which model was it? Sounds like they have issues as well then. With all the scopes on the market right now you would think any of the manufacturers would be able to come up with the perfect day/night or even thermal scope that does everything the hunter needs. They must see what people complain about

@misterlewgee8874

9 ай бұрын

@@jimwood it was the pard ds35 70. Almost a great scope...only one with lrf and ballistics apart from ATN. I'm similarly amazed...pulsar starting ballistics .....6 years later...I'm concerned they won't make it available for older non lrf models..with ATN, you could manually enter the range....great if pulsar did this option ..with ..onboard video playback ..again....like ATN ..which is handy when you want to immediately review shot, rather than go through downloading to phone etc

@jimwood

9 ай бұрын

Yeah absolutely that's where the ATN is great where you can review the footage straight away. And personally I prefer it where it records to a micro sd card. Hopefully I will be reviewing the infiray TD50L soon so looking forward to seeing how that performs. I had the original one one and I found it to be awful. Maybe I could get hold of the new pard as well I will ask around if there is a demo unit I could borrow

alpex for me Jim

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Same for me mate 👍

the atn has a far grainer picture than the hik scopes.

@jimwood

10 ай бұрын

Yep I totally agree you 👍

shame you have gone the same way as rips 260 and ream foxer just paid advert vuds now i understand its good but so many losing there shooting roots now

@jimwood

9 ай бұрын

I can see where you're coming from but the difference is I'm not sponsored by anyone or get paid from them or get to keep products I test. I'm just an independent reviewer which yes it's great to get things sent to me to try out and I appreciate that. But the way I look at it is hopefully it will help other shooters to perhaps choose a product they might be looking at buying. Trust me if I was aloud to keep the hikmicro sq50 thermal scope I would but I'm looking at buying one myself. Testing out products is a great way for me to see how they perform before I buy something and end up finding out its not for me. That's where I'm lucky like that. I appreciate your comment and thankyou for that but I'm nowhere near in the same boat as other sponsored youtubers. Hope this makes sense 👍

Not impressed with body shots. Don't see why you can't get head shots. Not very professional