I ended up buying the Sundara partly because of this review alone. All I can say is that I am very satisfied with my purchase. Thanks Ander.

@PakoPnF

3 жыл бұрын

Whats your revision? How can we know witch one is the most recent with the improved earpads?

@chillstep4life

3 жыл бұрын

@@PakoPnF Honestly, I think the revision topic is more a rumor then reality. Because many people who claim of a "revision" say, the pads are angled (thicker in the back, thinner in the front). But from what I've seen the original sundaras coming out in 2017 - 2018 all have the same angled padding. If there really is some sort of revision they would have sold off all the old stock by now, because it is almost 2021. So it has been about 2 years since the rumors of a revision popped up around 2019. But more importantly all the revision rumors circulate around the pads and not the driver itself. The pads are not gonna make or break the sound signature and can be replaced unlike the driver. Anyways if you are considering buying a new set of cans. I would highly recommend these, at the very least you owe it to yourself to try them out. These are end game for me as I really don't have a massive budget to spend on audiophile gear. If I were to ever buy another set of cans after this. I think it would be the Focal Elex, but those are $700 on drop. If your curious I was upgrading from a HD 6XX to the sundaras. I love my 6XX and I think they sound great when listening through from my phone or laptop/PC. But the Sundaras blow them out when I pair them with my tube amp and I EQ them just the way I like, because the Sundaras have better extension in the low end of the frequency response and seem to scale better with a better source.

@PakoPnF

3 жыл бұрын

@@chillstep4life thanks for the reply. Well i am like you, budget is the great problem... I think that this also is going to be my end game for a long time... I will buy the zen dac and the sundaras. Lets see how it goes 😁. My end game will be some hd800s, someday... Best of luck to you

@chillstep4life

3 жыл бұрын

@@PakoPnF Nice, if budget is the name of the game can I recommend my preamp. I paired the Sundaras with my Douk Audio P1 preamp (bought from Amazon), which I think is great value for money. It not only powers my headphones, but also my studio monitors and also has blue tooth functionality, so I can play music off my phone anywhere in the house. You can also EQ on the fly with a bass and treble knob and if you've never listened to music off of tubes these are a great entry level into tube amps. Cheers!

@memoli801

3 жыл бұрын

@@chillstep4life That is exactly the topic. Because at the end it is not only about the right headset. With what you going to pare it!? I could take them but than what? Combo with Creative G6? Fuck you creative! A dream would be the Schiit Hel but it is an US product so you never now what you going to pay at the and garantie is non existend. :-(

With Tyll retiring and metal571 taking a hiatus, you’re easily my new favorite. Great work man!

@Brandon-qs3jq

4 жыл бұрын

metal571 I’m glad you encouraged him to do that - very cool. Was the Sundara you reviewed one from the new revision? And I’m very much looking forward to you coming back this Spring. Stay well and take care man.

@nicktan4530

4 жыл бұрын

What about the zeos ?

@stanstaniboy7655

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicktan4530 I hate that guy, everything for him awesome. Then he also says just bonkers things like the Blons BL03 are better than the HD800S. I ignore him and only watch his videos to see how things look/feel. His sound demos are great too.

@nicktan4530

3 жыл бұрын

@@stanstaniboy7655 Thats a fact it seems. But guess what, marketing ploy with company sponsors and with his charm and personality that create fanbase helps despite the BS info in audio gear. Sound demo is compressed so usually not the best quality.

@DieCastErn

3 жыл бұрын

What about Currawong n Joshua?

Mate I've just discovered your channel. You're the new Tyll for me. Nice review!

What a terrific, open and honest review! many thanks for your advice...greatly appreciated.

U do an awesome job by explaining things in getting to the specifics with the finest details

Great review! Well done! Guys, comparing the Sundara to Audeze Lcd2 classic, what are your impressions?

They respond well to an equalizer. You can extend the sub bass and roll off the highs without losing detail or bass leaking into the mids.

@-aexc-

2 жыл бұрын

that combined with a slight boost to around 2k make these sound phenomenal

@everybodylovesab

2 жыл бұрын

​@@-aexc- got a parametric eq preset u could kindly share?

@nikolaivii5766

2 жыл бұрын

@@everybodylovesab Hi there. preamp -5dB low shelf 28Hz -1dB 1.4Q peak 66Hz +1dB 0.71Q low shelf 105Hz +4dB 1.4Q (adjust to your taste for bass) peak 540Hz +1dB 1.4Q peak 2250Hz +3.5dB 1.4Q peak 6600Hz -2.5dB 4Q peak 7900Hz =4dB 1Q peak 8600Hz -1dB 6Q high shelf 10000Hz -1dB 1.4Q (adjust to taste for treble)

@nandorblue

Жыл бұрын

@@everybodylovesab what EQ program are you using?

As a beginner to HIFIMAN, I went with the HE4XX. Other than the headband differences, I figured if I am not a fan of the earpads and room for my big ears, I would move on to the HIFIMAN Edition XX or Ananda. Excellent review.

Hi! You guys might help me here. I bought the Sundarars and a Ifi Zen dac. I wanted to plug my headphones to the balanced output so I bought an extra 3.5mm female to 4.4mm male jack adaptater. The problem is that it got worse, so much worse... there was a buzz sound and the music got all messed up. Si I send back my adaptater thinking it had an issue... So my question is : is the Sundara stock cable balanced ? Do I just have to get a working 3.5mm to 4.4mm adaptater to use the Ifi zen dac balanced output? Thanks. Hope someone find this message

@alanarguello3704

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, it's been 3 months, but I can tell you from my own research that the balanced outputs from some amp or DAC will only work well with balanced cables (not adapters) and the adapter that allows you to connect an unbalanced cable to a balanced source could potentially damage the equipment. I bought an adapter ended in 4.4 mm from 3.5 mm to use my pioneer hdj-10 since the cable plugs to the headphones in an XLR to 3.5mm and found out that it was an unbalanced cable so it didn't had the real balanced connection. The cable that comes with the Sundarais definetly unbalanced, so I suggest you buy a balanced cable to use the balanced output from the source. I ordered a balanced cable for my HE-400i (same compatibility than the Sundara) from Aliexpress and it cost $41 USD and haven't found any cheaper option. Now my pricey adapter from 3.5 to 4.4mm is not being used as to not damage any equipment (works with balanced cables though)

@alanarguello3704

3 жыл бұрын

Also some say that the sound improvement from unbalanced to balanced is not guaranteed, but I read that my Fiio M11 through its balanced outputs is a great improvement in some aspects. And definetly the balanced output has more power and so some things like soundstage are benefitted from a much more powerful connection

Excellent review! I love the Sundara’s too!

I pulled the trigger after watching your video. Thank you and exceptionally well made video.

I've got to get my hands on a pair of these

@Tallnerdyguy

4 жыл бұрын

I did, and have found my end game TBH. I have been looking for a decent set of cans under $500 and cannot find a single better pair.

Wow that sounds really good. I heard the first revision and thought it was pretty analytical, bright, and had a bit better/maybe the same dynamics as something like an ananda. Looking forward to listening to the second revision 👀

@RMFrulez

4 жыл бұрын

@@metal571 not anymore because of what? i'm interested in getting this pair of headphones but the harsh sound is making me reluctant to do so.

I bought it. I love it! Best headphone ever! Fell in love with my music collection again ! The sound is soooooooooo immersive, it is absurd!

I see that at the 4:30mark you show a picture of the dual cable. You answered my question with those shots. Thanks

Just when I thought I was done buying headphones... Great review! Update: finally got around to buying it after like 2 years, considered the Edition XS but I was 90% sure it wouldn't physically fit me. Gets here in a couple of days, I'm pretty pumped.

@marte6839

3 жыл бұрын

I don't very feel that feel, actually... and I've just explained that reason! :D I'm happy and DONE.

@DragonNZG

Жыл бұрын

how are they??

@albertovicinanza

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonNZG Pretty awesome ngl, soundwise they're perfect nothing stands out negatively and they're extremely pleasant albeit a bit "lean", bass is incredibly well defined though. Build is decent, materials are good but build quality is more that of a 100-150$ headphone, as long as it doesn't break it's fine for me though. Comfort is perfect as well for me, no issues whatsoever. I can totally see how they could be many people's endgames, personally I'm not sure I'd buy anything more expensive without going into the $1k range, but I can't afford that lol

@DragonNZG

Жыл бұрын

@@albertovicinanza Thanks bro! I'm gonna be buying a pair tonight! Any recommendations for a cheap dac amp that would pair well?

@albertovicinanza

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonNZG I have a Topping EX5 but a Topping DX3 Pro+ would be more than enough Can't tell you if cheaper stuff would be good, there's good budget units but I refer having more headroom for quiet things like certain movies or some genres

For anyone wondering how to tell if it's a current revision, the pads on the new one are a bit different. They bulge out a bit more on the sides where the leather part meets the hybrid surface that comes into contact with the side of your head. On the older revision that part was a perfectly flush angle, just like with their other pads. The pads on the newer one are also thinner in the front with a more extreme angle than the older one. Also, you can be confident that it's the latest revision as long as you buy it from a reputable dealer who has stock from within the last calendar year (2019). HiFiMAN has stated that there haven't been any changes to the driver or housing in at least one calendar year, and the only potential change is to the pad structure to improve pad reliability.

@TechManG

4 жыл бұрын

I'm curious if they did the same to the Ananda's

@rutwiktechie

4 жыл бұрын

I am gonna buy it today hope it outshines my HD558 modded with foam mod and 3.5mm mod and i hope i get the new version!! Cheers for making such wonderful reviews

@donvittoriosierra

2 жыл бұрын

Can you link the exact pads that can be bought separately?

I love your mic, it's so silky smooth while listening on my HE400is.

Looking forward to Hifiman Deva Review + Is there any dacamp you would want to recommend? I have no knowledge on that department

Great review! Really like how detailed you are. Would these be an upgrade over my Oppo PM-3's?

@NarciisJr

3 жыл бұрын

yes, I own them

Thank you so much for the review. I’m definitely leaning on purchasing these headphones. My only outstanding question is can they be driven adequately with my Audioquest dragonfly cobalt only having 2.1V output?

Great review! I just bought a pair of these on Feb. 8th. Out of the box, they sound very nice, as you described. Not sure if they will need a "break in" period like a set of speakers. (OK, I haven't read the owners manual just yet!) So far, I really like the sound and they are quite comfortable.

@gregbelemjian2515

4 жыл бұрын

I have about 50 hours on my Sundara ( new version ) and I thought they sounded very good out of the box. After about 10 hours the bass faded, and the lower treble developed a nasty shout. From that point forward both issues began to gradually fade reaching a point where I was able to forget I was listening to an electronic facsimile, and fully engage the music. I owned a high end audio shop for twenty two years. I’m all about the music, and getting as close to it as I can. All the rhetoric regarding technical minutia is nonsense, and has nothing to do with music. Pick up a 10 year old copy of any leading audio magazine and one that published yesterday. Read them both, and other than the names I challenge you to tell any difference between the two. It’s all about commerce, not music.

@gregbelemjian2515

4 жыл бұрын

But wait, there’s more! There’s nothing wrong with commerce, but don’t forget the reason we’re all hear. It’s about the music, and all to often we forget that, and drift off into the ethereal mist. The best reviewers give us little indications of what a given product sounds like, and we try to match them up with our personal experiences. Sometimes we get it right, and make a good purchasing decision, but how many times have you read reviews that lead you to the wrong product, leaving you to question what in the world they were talking about. This is one of the best reviews I’ve seen in a very long time. I’ve been watching Sundara reviews for months looking for someone to give me a reason to pull the trigger and buy a pair. After watching this review I immediately ordered my Sundara’s, and they do exactly what I expected. They brought me closer to the music I love. Remember, they need at least 50 hours of break in. Hifiman recommends 150 hours of break in. I can’t speak to that yet as I haven’t reached that point. If it continues to improve, I’m all in. If this is as good as it gets, I’m very happy. If you’ve read this far, I thank you for I thank you for considering the ramblings of an old man, and I’ll leave you with this thought. “Don’t forget the music”. It’s the only reason you’re here!!!!

Ohhh... I have been saving pennies to get to the amount needed to buy a 1990 ... now I am seriously considering these ... which were already on my radar (I own a pair of Verum and love them )..

Fantastic review. I have been looking for my first planar that isnt insanely overpriced. I think this could be the one for me

@johnellison3173

4 жыл бұрын

Other reviewers are claiming that the treble is a bit hot. Did you not find this to be the case?

@TheHEADPHONEShow

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnellison3173 it's not. The 'shout' quality with this new revision is completely gone - if that's what they're talking about. Otherwise, no the treble is well-balanced and smooth where the 's' sounds come through, so it's not fatiguing or sibilant.

@johnellison3173

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEADPHONEShow Thats great for me as I cant stand sibilant headphones. Thanks for info. Now I just need to find a pair that has the new pads 👍

@johnellison3173

4 жыл бұрын

@Gray Au I had considered those but Im assuming the Sundara will be a step up

@Gamingwitsundae

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnellison3173 I've been using the Hd58x for the past few months (no complaints at all). My Sundaras will be here in two days. got a little OriGen G2 dac/amp. hoping they'll good with these headphones, otherwise i gotta spit up a bit more cashola.

I've just ordered some of these from HiFiMan in the US based upon this review. Thank you :) I currently own AQ NightHawk Carbon and HarmonicDyne Zeus.

@dedompler

3 жыл бұрын

how do you like the zeus so far?

@johnratcliffe6438

3 жыл бұрын

@@dedompler The Zeus are lovely. Easier to drive than the Sundara.

Great review! I got the Sundaras and they sound amazing. However, I want to ask about a certain peak or resonance I am hearing in the treble, around 12.8 - 13 kHz. It doesn't show up your graph (it is on Oratory's measurement and on one channel in Solderdude's DIYaudioheaven graph), but when doing sine sweeps I can clearly hear it. It makes cymbals and high hats sound a lot sharper than other neutral-warm headphones like the HD650 and even the Elex. Also, it only seems to be elevated on the left channel on my unit, the right channel is fine. Do you think I should swap for another pair? I am hoping this is just a channel matching issue and not a larger problem with units. Also I am pretty sure I have the silent revision pads, upper mids sound perfect.

@NarciisJr

3 жыл бұрын

I have this thing with my sundaras too! I do not think it is a problem, just how the drivers are designed. If you look on rtings review you can see the left driver or right driver are sounding different

Do you think you can review the modhouse argon mk3? I'm considering getting it since I need less sound leak but would love to hear your thoughts on it and a comparison to the sundara

If you still don't know what's the pad difference, here are pictures: ibb.co/gjKp3ds ibb.co/bgmWDrx ibb.co/hmndGnv

Great video. Thx. Do they need proper burn-in, or are they ready to go right out of the box?

Hi! Thank you for very nice review. Do you know, is it possible to connect them with balanced wire on balanced ampli?

Had the HiFiMAN 400S before, and the plastic connector on the left side broke after about 2 years. Ended up buying the Sundara a year and a half ago, and I admit, I love how they sound. However, I just went to put them on and the plastic piece that the headband inserts into, broke. Are all the HiFiMAN headphones this bad in build quality, or is it just the entry level ones? Like I said, I really do like the sound, but even though the metal parts look sturdier, they all insert into plastic pieces which seem to be very flimsy. Any suggestions on new headphones? Is there something similar in sound qualty (even if it is more expensive) or do I have to get a more expensive HiFiMAN set? (or are they going to break too?)

Well... I wonder if I can (reliably) get those new pads for my old Sundara... I'm not sure what you're talking about with "suede" pads for the Verums. IIRC they came with a fatter pad, later an option for a thinner one, neither "suede".

Love your reviews... your “ detail retrieval “ in reviews is fantastic. Great info and comparisons that are helpful without all the hyperbole and rant. Not to disparage other reviewers, there’s great reviewers out there and they all have their niche but the info you provide is exactly what I’m looking for in a review. Keep up the great work. My only gripe is that Josh totally had me sold on the Arya and now after watching a few of your reviews and comparisons I’m back to square one ( Dammit!!!! Lol).... now I’m thinking Sundara, especially at its current price. The thing is I don’t want to keep doing incremental upgrades and spending all that $$ that I could just pool it and buy one high end and be satisfied with it. Really want the Utopia but can’t justify 3 grand on a headphone ( not to mention my wife would probably murder me). But I am willing to go around $1,500 or so and take my lashings. I’ve been pouring through forums, reviews and such for months and am no closer to making a choice than I was 6 months ago.... any suggestions at this price range would be greatly appreciated. Ohhh... and Metal, you are awesome too. Hope to see you back soon.

@TheHEADPHONEShow

4 жыл бұрын

You can buy the Arya with confidence. It's really good. And thanks for the kind words!

@Audi0phool

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEADPHONEShow Just realized I said Sundara because this is a review of it...Meant to say Ananda, I get the law of diminishing returns but $900 difference between that and the Arya seems extreme

@TheHEADPHONEShow

4 жыл бұрын

@@Audi0phool oh - actually the difference between the Ananda and Arya is more substantial than the difference between Sundara and Ananda, at least from memory

Hi! Great video. I'm thinking about getting these. How could I know if the ones that I buy are the original or this revision? Thank you :)

I think I'm about to get these. I bought some 400is and the plastic yoke broke within a week, so I have been hesitant to order another hifiman product.(HE4XXs have also been very temping, but I already have the HD6XXs and want a definite upgrade if I do buy something else). Mainly want an upgrade to further enjoy some classical like Rachmaninoff and such. So close to just buying them.

So did you buy it? I have never heard a planar set before so I picked up a set yesterday. Looking forward to listening to my library all over again

Thanks for this review! I think this review sealed my decision. But I usually see comments on its soundstage that others are better. But having said that, is the soundstage of Sundara disappointing (like you're missing out on something because of this)? and also, I'm planning to pair this with Topping E50/D50 stack or iFi Zen stack. Is this good? or iFi Zen DAC v2 would be enough?

@DUDUsamaSG

2 жыл бұрын

he did said it @ 10:46 onwards

The review is awesome as usual. I just wished I saw the same thing everyone else seems to see in this headphone. To my ears the HD600 is superior.

Great review!

Nice review. Very well done. Could you please do a review of the Denon premium headphones? 5200, 7200, 9200. They are so peculiar in their sound representation. Not clean or technical, but once you try them out you kind of struggle to go back to other headphones

@malinyamato2291

4 жыл бұрын

I have tried both 5200 and 7200, but I am considering Sundara instead because of my hopes that planars such as those are more clear and may have better mids and vocal performance.

Great review. Where can I order the stealth 'revised' Sundara? I would think that some retailers still sell the unrevised version. Cheers

@Tallnerdyguy

4 жыл бұрын

Check the jacks on the bottom. If they are 3.5mm jacks, they are the 2nd revision. I bought my sundaras on ebay with torn pads for cheap, could only tell that they were the 2nd revision by the jack size.

Very nice review, Resolve! I wonder if you can help me with this: So, i've imported a Sundara that was $330 with shipping but i was taxed and it went to $417. Yeah. I also have the option to buy a Sennheiser HD560S for $233 with local warranty or a HarmonicDyne Zeus for $330. So, do i return, or sell, the Sundara and buy one of the others of keep it anyway? Also, i am not from U.S. Thank you!

I know this a question a lot of people was asking you before but, where can I get the "good" unit with the stealth revision? Just want to be sure the place i'm buying It from has the newer version, saludos c:

Hi there! Just wondered what you would recommend as the best pair of headphones you could get for an iPhone? I know that sounds a bit stupid as I’m a bit of an audiophile but nowadays there are no hifi shops anywhere near me to test out. Obviously they could connect through a dongle but also do any of the pairs offer a headphone to lightning option? Currently looking at sennheiser, b&o, Sundara etc. Thanks so much for your help!

You should review the Ollo Audio S4/S4R ;-) Would love to hear your thoughts. Below the Hifiman price range, non planars, but very Ety like / Hifiman clarity.

I bought this beaut, it's the best thing I have ever heard. I have two headphones, one is the Sundara and the other one is the Sennheiser 560s. These two can do any job.

Damn, now i want one. It seems to be a jack of trades with everything very good and nothing bad.

I got a Sundara paired with the Atom. I demoed so many headphones, including an Elex. These are the best general use Open Back imho within a reasonable price.

@zaleskar

4 жыл бұрын

I've got an Atom and I'm looking into getting a pair of Sundaras, now you got me hyped!

@StatusQuo209

4 жыл бұрын

@@zaleskar you will love em! What will you be listening on? PC?

@zaleskar

4 жыл бұрын

@@StatusQuo209 Yep listening on PC! I'm loving them, so good even with EQ.

@P.7005

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like I'm getting the Sundara

Totally convinced me! Question: Why do you a headphones amplifier? Any other reasons than just making it louder? Cause I'm fine with the level now when connected to my laptop or soundcard.

@TheHEADPHONEShow

3 жыл бұрын

No there's more to it than that. In some cases it can clip if not given enough power. This is one where you need an amp.

The pads make a huuuge difference. I prefer the dekoni fenestrated sheepskin pads to the stock ones. Also replaced the headband with one of the old ones (He4xx style). I really really love this thing now.

@Anomalyn1

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have any idea how the hybrid dekoni sound on the sundara? Or if there is a diffrence between fenestared sheepskin and hybrids ?

@azaaranisaac773

8 ай бұрын

dekoni publishes measurements that compare their pads with the stock pads.@@Anomalyn1

Hi there, here in Brazil, the Arya costs twice more money than the HD800s. And the HD800s costs only twice more than the Sundara (and costs about the same as the Ananda) . So I am deciding if I go for the Sundara, the Ananda, or the HD800s. I will use it exclusively for listening to the music (all diferent genres). No gaming here. I would appreciate any thougths/opinions that can help me make my decision. TKS!

I am a classical music lover that aim to upgrade my openback headphones. Currently I own the Sennheiser HD 598 and I feel quite pleased with them; soundstage is quite ok and the sound feels quite warm. Even though this headphones can be easily driven even with a phone, I use the amp-dac EPH-O2D which improves the signal dramatically. I was thinking to upgrade to Sennheisser HD 650 at first but tons of reviewers like you are praising the Hifiman Sundara. Do you think the Sundara has a good profile for classical music or I should stick to Sennheisser HD 650?

@yoni3919

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder the same. Have you had the chance to try them out? Btw I've heard some good things about the Sennheiser 560s for instrument sounds. But they are very analytical so most likely aren't as enjoyable as the Sundaras.

Receive it today... After 6 hours. One word. Incredible.

I currently have a HiBy R5 player, will it be perfect with those sundara or which DAC do you recommend for them?

GOOD REVIEW.. Would you rate the Sundara above the Focal Elex?

@TheHEADPHONEShow

4 жыл бұрын

No, I think that's about where it tops out. From memory, the Elex is a slightly worse performing Focal Clear, which is much closer to the Ananda as well. But of course the Elex is a dynamic driver headphone, so it just sounds different as well.

Whats your revision? How can we know witch one is the most recent with the improved earpads?

As someone who already owns DT1990 and HD600, would you recommend Sundara? Or better invest into higher end headphones?

Please do a review on the revised Ananda as well. BTW does the revised Sundara has removable ear pads?

To me play a digital piano like kawai es920 for classical music, do you feel this one will be better than the 990 pro or 1990 pro? Thanks

Oh now really wanna know if the Ananda also got new pads :O

Nice video :) Sundara look rly promissing ( as i am looking for upgrade from mine He400i with Alpha pads ).. Does it makes sense to safe more and get Ananda instead ? Also did u tried to remove grills ?

@Tallnerdyguy

4 жыл бұрын

Slow reply, i upgraded from he4xx and the difference was noticeable. I think the Ananda might be a better set, but also not sure it is worth 2x the cost. Maybe 10% better performance for 100% price increase? up to you if you find it worth it.

@lukasmynar4836

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tallnerdyguy Thanks for reply . Still didnt had chance to hear sundara, but instead got my hands on Ananda.

@Tallnerdyguy

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukasmynar4836 Nice, better all around than sundara

@loucipher7782

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukasmynar4836 how is the ananda bass compared to the he400i?

Curious if you know of a good place to get used headphones thats trustworthy? Like Ebay often seems dubious.

Excellent review.

Thanks for the review. How much driver variance is Hifiman known for? How is the timbre? (e.g. metallic, plasticky etc.) And lastly, how can someone ensure in getting the newest "stealth" revision? (Especially for non US buyers?)

@TheHEADPHONEShow

4 жыл бұрын

Hifiman is much better at driver variance than other planar headphone manufacturers. And just as an indication, this unit sounds just like the ones metal571 heard/reviewed. For timbre, it's still recognizably a planar, but not that sort of dryness that other Hifiman headphones have had in the past (the older HE5 etc. models). I think the new revision has been out for a few months now.

@jk9436

4 жыл бұрын

​@@TheHEADPHONEShow Thanks alot for the very very quick and helpful response.Very appreciated! Your reviews are very helpful and are a joy to watch and certainly add an additional layer to the hobby and to the audiophile world! :)

No pairing suggestions in the video..? What did you use and what would you recommend...?

I wonder how good the Sundara closed will be compared to even something like the DCA Aeon 2/Noire... hopefully the review isn't far away with pre-orders being offered in the UK. It looks like the closed version also has a different driver revision, as it is rated at 20Ω with increased sensitivity too... interesting times ahead.

Which one would preform better at imaging for gaming. The sundara or the DT 1990

Well as a new Audiophile I pulled the trigger with The Sundara and The Dragonfly Cobalt as per your Excellent reviews. However, I am still currently waiting for both items. So in the mean time if you wouldn't mind, I was hoping you could answer a few questions? First is, Did I make the right decision pairing these 2 up? I'll be using them through my desktop if that matters. Second is, I noticed in both the old and new review on the Sundaras you had issues with the cables. Can you or anyone of your fine followers suggest a decent and not too expensive cable I can pick up? Thank You

@TheHEADPHONEShow

4 жыл бұрын

The main point of the dragonfly is its form factor. I think if you don't need that form factor you could definitely get better for the price. But if you see yourself using it with a laptop, on the go somewhere else, or even with your phone, then that would make sense. Just keep in mind this is an open-back headphone, so it's not exactly something ideal for portable use. As for cables, yeah I think Periapt cables are fine. You may be fine with the default Sundara cable though, it's not as bad as the other ones.

@jamespucciarelli6538

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEADPHONEShow First let me say Thank You for your speedy reply and your spot on reviews. As for the Sundara and DF Cobalt I will only be using this through my Home Desktop and maybe occasionally through my laptop when I do long travel in my hotel stays. I have no intention on using this in these in public. For the Periapt cables? I did visit their Website and was alerted that due to the Virus they have a 21 Business Day Shipping Lag. So for now, maybe the New Stealth Sundara's cables have improved and will have to do. Look's like I picked the wrong time to start a new hobby with all of the shipping delays. Thanks Again, Jim P.

I'd like to thank you.Just bought the Sundara only based on this review (without even listening to them!) and couldn't be happier! Amazingly balanced and neutral, the Sundara is perfect as a midtier between my audeze Sines and Senns HD800s. They will now go through the burn in period but sound amazing already out of the box. Thanks man and keep up the good work!

Hi, do you know if the Sony NW-ZX300 can drive this headphones I have the Sony, and I may also get the FiiO M11 pro or the M15 wich one do you think will work better with this headphones? Thank you

Great review. Love the enthusiasm in this one! I’ve had a friend recently ask me Sundara, 660s or DT1990 and with confidence told him the Sundara. Between the price drop and silent revision it definitely is a value king. You at one point say you can’t think of anything under $700 you’d recommend more. What about the Focal Elex which can be had a for a while now at $600. It gets close to the clear for less money. Might be worth a review ;)

@TheHEADPHONEShow

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I actually put down in my written review that I think for detail the Elex is the next step up. Check that out here: www.headphones.com/blogs/news/hifiman-sundara-review-2020-stealth-revision

Hey nice review and video! Just wonder how good would you guys say that the Sundara is in studio-related work? I know it might fall a bit short against DT 1990 Pro, but how about it with 770 Pro or 990 Pro? Any comments would be super helpful, thanks a lot! :)

@TheHEADPHONEShow

3 жыл бұрын

I actually think it's better than those for studio work. Not for identifying flaws but rather as a reference for how stuff 'should' sound on good equipment.

@ChrisKeyman

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEADPHONEShow hello, what would you suggest for identifying flaws? I tried the lcd-x they are perfect but too heavy . And the ananda are too open and airy

I'm planning on getting this bad boy next. Is the Senn. 6XX too close in terms of sound characteristics? Even though it's not a planar.

I have not tried either of these headphones personally, but has anyone tried the sivga phoniness vs. something like the hifiman sandara? the phoenix is a good $100 less expensive and extremely well liked, i'm just curious how they might stack up. Thanks!

Just got these based on your recommendation. Agreed, these can’t be beaten for the price and well above. You said in another video that anyone who likes the DT 1990 treble response, “What the hell are you listening to???” made me LOL. Couldn’t have said it better. The folks at Beyerdynamic need to go back to the drawing board. Or hire people who can hear above 3k. Can’t listen to a single thing they make for the duration of a song. OUCH. As a side note, for anyone looking for a closed back with similar FR as these, I recommend the Shure SRH1540. I’ll be using my Sundaras for mixing, mastering, and enjoyment, and 1540 for tracking and any private listening. Well done!

Thinking of this for gaming and a little music listening sometimes. Split between this and the HD560s

Because of this review, i want to go buy the Sundara, but how do i know the difference between the old version or this one, does it have a different model number, thank-you for this great review.

could you review the Kennerton Odin and compare to others in that price range?

I loved your review on these and decided to buy them. What do I use to drive them? An amp? What's a reasonable amp I can get under $300? (Less if possible) I want to hear what you heard to review them.

@cricket4life249

3 жыл бұрын

Get the Fiio K5 Pro👍

Thank you for this review. Considering that the Sundara can be bought for roughly 350$, what would be a good DAC / Amp to pair it with in your opinion? Does it profit from more expensive electronics?

@DanielHog13

8 ай бұрын

Because of it's planar design, you very well could hear improvements with a quality amp/DAC. These are super high value HPs.

@jarekrush

8 ай бұрын

Ifi zen dac signaure + ifi zen can signature hfm + pentacon 4.4.

what's the black one on the right called, the smaller one ? i always wanted one that is not so bulky and big for my head, any recommendations? thank you! great video btw

@louislu1067

4 жыл бұрын

Audeze lcd1

I have these headphones and I love them. Replace the cables and amp them up and they will sing. Oh yeah some eq (using USB Audio Player Pro with Sundara selected eq).

@The HEADPHONE Show Its my first time commenting to one of your videos and I know its almost 2 years old video, but I want to go for a next level sound; and what do I mean by that? I've started with normal gaming headphones and after that I bought the Sennheiser PC 37x which is a top gaming/music headphone. Ok, now, what I want to ask, from your own perspective and opinion (because you said Sundara doesn't have much sound stage):does Sundara have the soundstage of an open back headphones? It is stil there? Is it a big difference in sound between PC 37x and Sundara? Does DT900 Pro X better than Sundara? I am sorry with all this questions, but I am very confused and don't know what to chose: DT900 Pro X, Sennheiser 6XX or Sundara . Consider that I play games (which I can use the 37x) but I also want to listen to music like I never heard it before, to enjoy it. Thank you, I hope you read my comment and answer. Thank you !

After great reviews like these I got the Sundara and they were great... until something inside the left cup became loose and started to vibrate ;( Now I'm considering spending a bit more for improved reliability. Are the Aeons Open X an upgrade or at least an equal to the Sundara? Any help would be appreciated since I don't have a way of testing those before purchasing

My quarantine mind is tempting me to buy a Sundara now lol! It seems amazing. Question though; I want to be able to use these when I’m chilling in my living room with a portable amp DAC. How difficult are these to drive properly. Would a Fiio Q1 Mk II work well?

@divinecurrent9053

4 жыл бұрын

I tried the FiiO Q1 Mk II with the Sundara, and for most music it gets loud enough. However, do not turn the volume knob all the way up at high gain with the Sundara. The Q1 distorts when you do that, even with very soft music. So for softer volume music and classical, the Q1 Mk II will not be loud enough. For modern music though, it does ok. I would recommend a Topping NX4 DSD, or a FiiO A5 amp if you are willing to use a separate portable DAC.

@jaynunes2501

3 жыл бұрын

@@divinecurrent9053 thank you both for this discussion. This is the same concern I have. I know the Q1 only has 1.5 V. Do you think 2.1 V from my Audioquest dragonfly would be sufficient? Thank you.

I'm hearing you with a brand new He-400i 2020, payed the gold of... 159 € :D Really, concretely, all the things considered I've been checking, regarding, analysing and comparing all across the web (here included technical graphs, like, just for instance, the Rtings' ones) I feed no envy of you, or whom any one bagging out 350 $, or €, to get 'more'. I don't think it shall be that more, especially if you think that I'm able to equalize my cans. Plus, and I quit, I've got many others cans, including Philips SHP9500 and Superlux HD 681: they are near and enough to compensate my perfection sound craving, but... I let myself this vice. Thank you anyway for all your info and contributes!!! 🇮🇹

So whats the production date on it? I recall it said somewhere on the box

@jorndeboer6608

4 жыл бұрын

The angles of the pads look exactly the same on my Sundara I bought in november, I'm not entirely sure when they started the revision and if it really is a revised Sundara.

Hey nice review. I’m going to pick a pair of these up and pair them with a dragonfly cobalt. Do you think the cobalt has enough to drive them?

@shalevgrunschlag8930

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the impedance of the sundara is 38 ohm. For reference this is the same as the impedance of the ath m50x. Any computer, phone, etc including the dragonfly cobalt could adequately drive the headphones.

@Anomalyn1

2 жыл бұрын

@@shalevgrunschlag8930 wrong, thier sensitivy is low and need a good amp

Which pads in hifiman's accessories section does the latest sundara use? I just want to know whether I can buy the same exact pads that are on them in case they need to be replaced.

Any recommended EQ settings/profiles for the Sundara? I have 0 experience with EQ but am open to trying it.

Sound wise, how do you compare that to the Sunnheiser HD 660S?

Hi, do you have any EQ for sundara 2020? Thanks

I'm way overdue in getting a pair of open back headphones, and this is looking to be it.

@bradley9856

3 жыл бұрын

what do you think of them?

i have the K712 pro. Planning on getting a Sundara. Do you think its profile is so much different?

Great Video !!

Does the amp matter that much? I want to use them on a PC with the Sound Blaster X G6 that can power them. Is there a significant sound difference to justify a separate DAC/AMP purchase?

what is the best synergy for these cans? Dac/amp/ cables? And for what range of music?

I have the Sony xm4’s. I’m happy with them for the most part, but would like to have more control of the output. I use them with my iPhone and iPad, is there a amp or other technology that would work?

Would really love it if you could review some closed-backs that you would personally rate at this approx price band, coz, well, some of us can't have the noise leakage

How does it compare to the Sendy Aiva