"he wanted all people to live in peace" It was at that moment I could tell something bad is gonna happen to that guy

@warlock984

7 жыл бұрын

He dies...eventually, I'm not sure when or how, but he dies.

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

7 жыл бұрын

Well of course he dies. We all die eventually.

@tenlosol

7 жыл бұрын

+I'm Very Angry It's Not Butter not if you believe in reincarnation. not technically at least.

@piranha031091

7 жыл бұрын

Well, something like 6.5% of all humans who were ever born are currently alive. And if the singularity comes soon enough and goes well, the concept of "death" may become irrelevant to many of us. Or, to quote Ray Kurzweil, "live long enough to live forever"...

@KenjiShiratsuki

7 жыл бұрын

Idealists often die for their ideals, but not before making a permanent impression upon the world. It is necessary for humanity to abolish war and violence in order to evolve further, and until that occurs, we will suffer from lack of resources, sickness, crime, and drama. Until we take that next step, people will still have heartbreaking divorces and violent mobs to deal with. Until we can fully devote resources to peaceful efforts, rather than even protective war efforts (like having the soldiers and weapons to go to war just to keep others from doing so), we won't be able to cure cancer or AIDS fully, we won't be able to extend lives, and we won't have the ability to feed everyone or house them without destroying the very planet we live on. TLDR: Humans, get a clue, fighting is POINTLESS.

I'd love to hear more stories of Native American historical figures. That's an aspect of history we really don't get exposed to enough of.

@hiromiarash172

7 жыл бұрын

Unless you are Canadian then there is to much

@xertris

7 жыл бұрын

I'm american and proud of it, but i can't shake the idea of moving to canada.

@arkhamerp.l.6256

7 жыл бұрын

I'm french-canadian and I say we don't get taught squat about native history or culture in school or in the medias and I know it's a lot the same in the rest of Canada. So, where do you get the idea that it's too much?

@SolSiDR

7 жыл бұрын

Gord Downie disagreed with you just a few nights ago.

@thetruerift

7 жыл бұрын

Never enough.

Nya:weh [Thank You] to Extra Credits for this great episode. I gotta admit; I was very nervous going into this one. Never would I think that Extra Credits would purposefully disrespect a people's history, but our people's history is undervalued even in our home country. However, I was impressed by the candor, accuracy, and respect given to the story of Hiawatha and the Great Peacemaker and Jikonhsaseh.

@extrahistory

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you back. I was very nervous going into writing this one; I'm aware that this history, when it's told at all, is often distorted by inaccuracy and assumption, and the last thing I wanted to do was add more to that legacy. So I put a lot of effort and a lot of time into reading all the versions of this history I could find and learning all I could about the cultures of each of the Five Nations. I'm sure I still made mistakes, but I am truly glad that the effort shows through. I hope the second and final episode will also live up to this standard! -Soraya

@FlourishCaster

7 жыл бұрын

The nature of the oral tradition creating slight variations on the same story makes it totally understandable to hear a slight take on an event. I'm an Oneida person, lived in the First Nations community in my city for nearly 25 years, and I still hear new variations from elders, scholars, and storytellers. The core themes and ideas remain largely the same with each telling, though, and that is what's important.

@Landis963

7 жыл бұрын

Does any variation of the story give a reason for the architects of this peace not waiting to turn Tadodaho until all the rest of the tribes had bought in to the Great Law? That is, going to the Seneca (or whoever was left besides the Onondaga) with overtures of peace to consolidate power before approaching Tadodaho with a request that he would dismiss out of hand.

@FlourishCaster

7 жыл бұрын

According to an Elder, the reason why Hiawatha came to Tadodaho after recruiting the Oneida with the Peacemaker (who is Mohawk) is because he wanted to bring not only the source of this new Great Law (the Peacemaker) but also one other Nation that had embraced it. Sort of like showing the blueprints and the proof of concept at the same time. Like they said in the video, Hiawatha believed that 2 Nations embracing peace would persuade Tadodaho to at least consider the Great law of Peace.

@redcoat4348

7 жыл бұрын

I live in the U.S., in NY as well. I live in former Algonquian territory, but I learned much more about the Iroquois then the Algonquian.

Whoa whoa. I live in that part of NY and we (barely) learn about the Iroquois (once) in elementary school but we were never told this. Hell, we even have a (shitty outskirt) street called "Hiawatha" but we were never told it was named after someone.

@hiromiarash172

7 жыл бұрын

I live in the opposite end in Canada but we learnt so much about the Iroquois confederacy

@gacorley

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, how much people in the US learn about Native people is pretty spotty. Some schools do better than others but it's mostly crap.

@CodyMacArthurFett

7 жыл бұрын

That's because schools in the US usually take their curriculum from California or Texas. Books adopted by those states are usually accepted by all others (or 50/50 of them, there are two states as leaders after all) with few exceptions. So you as a New Yorker would not learn NY history unless you specifically sought it out or used some alternative form of schooling that used an alternative curriculum like homeschooling or some private schools. I feel your pain though, I always thought that Vermont history was a bore where nothing happened until I took a course on it in college. Turns out that your state and mine have quite a storied history. Did you know that at one point Vermont was going to annex a fourth of modern New York and almost all of New Hampshire and was only stopped from going full American Anschluss by a letter from George Washington telling the government of the Vermont Republic that annexing "Greater Vermont" would jeopardize the young nation's application to join the United States. It was quite a change from when New York was sending in troops to suppress angry Connecticut settlers in the Green Mountain area.

@patronofdragons

7 жыл бұрын

Cody Fett Holy shit. I did not knowthat about Vermont and New York. Here's the thing. In fourth grade our Social Studies was centered on the history of NY (I still remember the text books. It was blue and had the words "NEW YORK" around the Statue of Liberty). The fact that we barely learned anything about pre-colonial NY and our relationship with Vermont is really disheartening

@matthewG980

7 жыл бұрын

I grew up in the Oneida area and had teachers that were part of the Oneida nation. We learned a bit more about history like this as a result. It's awesome to see this history being told.

Holy shit. I've never been very interested in Native American history. I might have to take a 180 on that now.

@extrahistory

7 жыл бұрын

^ May be one of the best compliments I've ever received. -Soraya

@k1productions87

7 жыл бұрын

+Extra Credits Oh don't worry, virtually every single Extra History series has done that for so many people, stretching all the way back to The Punic Wars. That first epic on Hannibal is what finally made me click that Subscribe button, and your updates are always a high point for me. I only wish I had some spare cash that I could donate to the EH Patreon, so I could help support and contribute.... but alas, rent must be paid and teeth must be fixed T~T

@extrahistory

7 жыл бұрын

Don't even sweat it. We love our patrons for making EH possible, but we tell them over and over not to pledge beyond what's comfortable for them, and the same applies to you. We're happy that we get to do this and grateful for the love that keeps our morale engines running.

@TheKurtkapan34

7 жыл бұрын

i just love this tone of voice

@daBuzzY90

7 жыл бұрын

I've gotta say, you're extra history tidbits are the best :)

I cried almost the whole way through this, Jigonsaseh and Hiawatha are too pure for this world, bless.

@Christopher-qq4dl

9 ай бұрын

Amen!

As a Native American I am ecstatic that this is being covered! Thank you guys!

@AbdulRahman-bi1nu

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can tell you look Native American

@nightbling8905

Күн бұрын

You are the most Caucasian Native American I’ve ever seen…

Onondaga, Oneida, Cayuga, Seneca, Mohawk. Long ago, the five nations lived together in harmony. Then everything changed, when the pale faces arrived.

@Fuzzmunky

7 жыл бұрын

*slowclap.gif*

@JVarley9001

7 жыл бұрын

Really, a lot of history could be summed up with "But everything changed when the white people attacked."

@ElBandito

7 жыл бұрын

MusicandGamesandStuf Europeans conquered Americas even when the natives didn't piss them off, lol.

@StephySon

7 жыл бұрын

HA! That was good hehe

@ElBandito

7 жыл бұрын

Aerunn Allado 1. No one is insulting anyone. 2. Nation states didn't exist in the Americas when the first Europeans arrived. 3. Try harder next time.

Meanwhile Iroquois in EU4... "CASUS BELI? THERE WILL BE NO CASUS BELI! THERE CAN BE ONLY WAR, ENDLESS WAR!!!"

@ql9066

7 жыл бұрын

CASUS BELLI*

@joeybroda9167

7 жыл бұрын

Iroquois society began to collapse when it became devastated by disease. Wars began to be the fought by Iroquois against other groups to acquire people (the mourning war) and more resources and trade routes. The Huron to their North were allied with France but France refused to give arms to Hurons who weren't Christians. The Dutch and English didn't have such a qualm and so the Iroquois became much better armed than their neighbours. So many things happened at once that catapulted the Iroquois to become a massive regional power.

@Horesmi

7 жыл бұрын

+L'Orso “Il Piromane” Totalworriano Oh come on!

@ql9066

7 жыл бұрын

AlHoresmi sorry but has fan of EU4 my eyes were bleeding ç.ç

@ahmeddyasalkhwarizmi8783

5 жыл бұрын

You play European war 4?

Hiawatha wanted peace, Gandhi had other plans.

@lunamoonfang2

5 жыл бұрын

I can see someone who plays Civilization.

@alejandrojoserodriguezarre45

4 жыл бұрын

"Let them all burn in the nuclear fires, so they might be purified" Gandhi, 1820

@utkarshdubey3435

4 жыл бұрын

I'm confused, can someone tell me what's the joke?

@user-tq9jv2gj6u

4 жыл бұрын

@@utkarshdubey3435 There's this game that both Gandhi and Hiwatha are in called civilization. And the joke is that for some reason in the game Gandhi is ultra aggressive.

@alexanderrodriguezygibson7418

4 жыл бұрын

NUKES!!!!

As someone from this region of New York (Onondaga), the story of Hiawatha and the Iroquois is a huge part of our history classes. Love seeing this recognition of the great Iroquois people

Hiawatha wanted peace for his nation, but a powerful war chief stood in his way. He needed allies.

@leronbenari226

7 жыл бұрын

I bet 1 million dollers extra credits won't respond to this comment.

@manguy01

7 жыл бұрын

And with whom do you make this bet?

@inger2327

7 жыл бұрын

+MicManGuy me

@hiromiarash172

7 жыл бұрын

This was a completely different story in my classroom then you said Hiawatha wasn't even there when they told it and they didn't know a thing about wampums before

@means_of_production7807

7 жыл бұрын

Walpole?

The best estimate I’ve heard for the dating of these events is sometime around 1150. that was arrived at by looking at how many leaders the Haudenosaunee are supposed to have had and working out the average amount of time prestigious public offices held for life (popes, kings, supreme court Judges, etc) typically last. Working back like that you get to somewhere around the mid-12th century

A new Extra History on a Thursday?! What have I done to deserve this is it my birthday???

@hiromiarash172

7 жыл бұрын

It's beautiful

@Bartholomule01

7 жыл бұрын

The beauty of SponCon

@BlakLite15

7 жыл бұрын

Yesterday just so happened to be my birthday. Don't worry, I'm willing to share my late birthday present.

@bubblegumpanda9195

7 жыл бұрын

Aw happy birthday! Hope it was great, and thanks for sharing this gift with us ;)

@StephySon

7 жыл бұрын

Mine is today now actually XD

When I still worked at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, I always liked to tell people in the Hall of American Indians about the Haudenosaunee. I loved working the cultural halls in general, but it was something fresh and interesting for the visitors considering how little Native American history is taught in US schools.

@jamieharper1932

4 жыл бұрын

There not called Indians

@IsakSko

6 ай бұрын

​@@jamieharper1932cry more about it bro

@juniusedward9366

Ай бұрын

What is the difference between American Indian and Alaska Natives?

Tadodaho: you Idiot! in this world is kill or be kill! Knowing that one day all tribes can live in peace filled Hiawatha with DETERMINATION!

@mycaleb8

7 жыл бұрын

+CaptainNnif That sounds interesting. Just don't give TOO much reverence to Native culture.

@infamousempire8302

7 жыл бұрын

The undertale is strong with this one.

@kalvincastro9042

7 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Tadodaho may have been right once English settlers arrived.

@mycaleb8

7 жыл бұрын

***** You're right. War would have certainly stopped the plagues that killed most Native Americans. (facepalm)

@kalvincastro9042

7 жыл бұрын

Cabbadath B Back again with the plagues, I see? Don't tell me that things could not of turned out very differently if instead of having peace, they ordered a massive surprise attack on the settlers, wiping them out and deterring further colonization.

I have to admit I was very surprised to see this upload, but I'm also extremely grateful to see my local history being shared and given attention by a larger outlet. Thank you very much for sharing this story, E.C.

Bonus episode brought to you by DomiNations! smarturl.it/DOMHistory Your regularly scheduled Gracchi Brothers series on Extra History will continue as normal this Saturday!

@inger2327

7 жыл бұрын

oh ok thanks i didn't know

@ea4966

7 жыл бұрын

yass if I could sponsor this I would be giving this all my money each yet

@jinglelam3602

7 жыл бұрын

+Mirjalol Mirsaburov how so?

@evannationarmy7769

7 жыл бұрын

I like dominations

@roguishpaladin

7 жыл бұрын

Well, they DID list a Patreon link in the video description. So yes, you can support it!

I think it's great that you guys are doing a series on First Nations history before the arrival of Europeans. So many times whenever I hear about the history of Native Americans, it's always about how they were conquered and displaced by European invaders. I never get to learn the history of their culture before Columbus. And I especially appreciate that the subject matter of Extra History isn't limited to any particular culture, or even format of historical record. It's pretty hard to do fact checking when you're getting all your information from an oral history. But the fact that your acceptable forms of historical records are not limited merely to scripture, shows an open mindedness and an eagerness to learn and share the wisdom of the past, which isn't always as broad in scope as some people would like to believe of themselves. Besides, sometimes the lessons that history can teach us, are more important than getting all the tiny details right. Thank you sincerely for sharing these stories with all of us.

tadodaho seems awfuly like me when im plaing EU 4 as a tribal nation

@Horesmi

7 жыл бұрын

It's fucking EU4, a game that seems to take ideas about war not from history, but from Warhammer.

@LizzieLeporidae

7 жыл бұрын

I knew it wasn't just me who thought that!

@eminemishh

7 жыл бұрын

I've never even played a Native American nation.

@skykid

7 жыл бұрын

yeah it's a pretty boring game if you just try to maintain peace with everyone :P

@smygskytt1712

7 жыл бұрын

How? Bigger army wins has always been true for humanity.

I live in Wisconsin, near where the Oneida reservation is today, and I think it's super cool that you're telling this story about the formation of this confederacy.

@naurrr

7 жыл бұрын

also in wisconsin, the amtrak line connecting milwaukee to chicago is called the hiawatha line.

I am in awe of what you guys are doing with this history series. Everything is perfect. Everything down to the filtered voice on the narration is amazing. I especially love that you guys pick stories that not a lot of people are terribly familiar with. Keep up the good work!

Hiawatha: make your own choices! Also Hiawatha: you must Choose peace.

Thank you so much for these episodes. It can be tricky finding these kinds of stories of the First Nations online and especially challenging to find them told by people of European descent with respect. I appreciate your disclaimers at the beginning of this video as well, that this is one interpretation of the story, and the way you treat this particular episode like a storyteller and use the correct names and words for all involved. It is easy as a white man to feel nothing but sadness and guilt when discussing Native American history but this really warms my heart, thank you for telling this story and being so respectful.

YES! This is the kind of video I wanted to see Extra history tackle!

It's quite interesting listening to this because I used to live in the Mohawk Valley and never knew that. I just knew the name sounded familiar because there's street named after him in Syracuse by the mall . And I was also stationed by there with the Army National Guard.

Thank you guys so much for posting this! I love learning about the histories and cultures of the First Nations, so this is incredibly interesting to me! Plus, I especially love seeing less well known aspects of history covered on Extra Credits. I love how you emphasized how the Great Law of Peace had an influence on the US Constitution and how it, and the Haudenosaunee, are still around today.

Wow, this was one your best episodes: easy to grasp, important content, funny and very informative illustrations (who drew this one?)... I bow to you extra credits/history people, this was a treat.

I'm glad you're bringing this up, too few realize how much the Natives influenced our nation's government/creation and its formation :)

This is incredibly interesting, and I've never heard about this portion of history. Thanks for choosing this!

Extra History has expanded my understanding of history so much, and has given me so much evidence to combat the claims that "humans are inherently evil and cannot escape their own fate." Thank you so much for everything you do. You help people better themselves, and I respect you so much for that

I love this video series. I am glad that you guys are willing to do it every week.

Yay, indigenous American history! So glad to see it here.

Well, if a guy just wants to make war. Give him NO ONE to fight against.

This is one of your greatest history videos, I would totally dig more episodes from peoples with rich oral history that tends to fall through the cracks of written history. Keep up the awesome work!

I have seriously binge watched this series in the span of three days. Never stop doing these. These are amazing! If I was an art history, or just plan history teacher I would so take time to show any of these to my students, but seriously how amazing has KZread become? For what was once one of the most boring classes in school we know push away free time to actively watch?

Peacemaker says, "You have colored beads... I like your style." Awesome episode.

I can't say I ever expected you all to do an episode on Hiawatha & the Peace Maker.

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Jigonseseh. She's going to prove to be important.

@RomeoCo

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed she will. :) I just know the story by the name Hiawatha and the Peace Maker.

@darthbob25

7 жыл бұрын

After seeing them do the South Sees bubble and then do two WWII videos [one about the EASTERN front (OMG its like they don't even know Germany was defeated because 'murica just rode in on a white horse and saved the day!) and the other about the significance of strategic resources]. I don't think I can be surprised anymore.

I'm loving what you guys are doing! Please never stop spreading this knowledge! I'd never even heard of Hiawatha before this!

What a fantastic bit of history that I had never known! I lived in the New England and New York area for 20 years, and never had a single history teacher come close to explaining the formation of the Iroquois Nation in such detail, let alone in such a concise and entertaining manner! Kudos to you Extra Credits team!

Theodora...suleimon...Hiawatha don't know if it's extra history or Civ 5

@karfsma778

7 жыл бұрын

Next up, Dido, and the foundation of Carthage.

@gchatz6480

7 жыл бұрын

easy, if you have not been nuked by ganhdi then its not Civ5 xD

@Necroskull388

7 жыл бұрын

I mean... You know what civ is based on, right?

@jacobm8242

7 жыл бұрын

Dude I love how hand in hand civ 5 goes with World History classes. I felt like I learned so much from it when I covered the material in school that I was playing at home

@seiban8455

7 жыл бұрын

I got that feeling more from EU4 and the Total War games, civ 5 feels like historical fanfiction... Not to discredit the game in any way, civ 5 is great, but Gandhi just nuked the shit out of Dido...

I remember learning about this in Elementary school, growing up in NY. I wish I had learned more, this sounds like an amazing group of people.

I love north American history! Thank you for this video, your team is truly inspiring!

You guys cover history from every civilizations. It's amazing! Thanks a bunch :)

9:22 "Ohana means family. Family means "no one gets left behind." - Lilo & Stitch

Brought to you by the best civilization in Civ V.

@dale6947

7 жыл бұрын

cmon! Venice is waaaay better!

@AlperTheWizard

7 жыл бұрын

+Dale Ghandi :^)

@dasgroea2217

7 жыл бұрын

IMPI IMPI IMPI IMPI IMPI

@areskrieger5890

7 жыл бұрын

Babylon is probably the best civ in civ 5 due to the science ramping but to each there own

@dale6947

7 жыл бұрын

ummm.... It's a joke. Venice and Iroquois are terrible.

This one was one of your best ones. I can't wait for part 2.

I love these videos! And this piece of history is amazing. Thank you for sharing it with me!!

Could you do one about the Mayans, Aztecs and/or Incas?

@fragolegirl2002

4 жыл бұрын

Romar Paqueo they did Incas

@justinnnnnn5676

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call the Aztecs peaceful.

@LanMandragon1720

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinnnnnn5676 Neither were the Inca empires don't just spring up. The Mayans also had periods of warfare city state vs city state.

people whom feed from the same stew pot, share kinship...words to live by

@internetalias1613

7 жыл бұрын

+DrunkbandPresents If only the Freys heard that saying.

@DrunkbandPresents

7 жыл бұрын

clearly we need to make this happen, Estus Soup for all who need/want it for whom am i to judge the will of the hungry

@Meloncov

7 жыл бұрын

The Freys had heard that saying, or something equivalent, which was the reason the Starks let their guard down. The Freys broke not just their alliance, but the hospitality rules that are fundamental to Westerosi morality.

@internetalias1613

7 жыл бұрын

Kevin Baker Yes I know of the 'bread and salt' rule which was mentioned multiple times throughout the book but I just felt making a quick joke on it.

I love this series and as an Upstate New Yorker I'm thoroughly enjoying this one in particular. We are many local stories and legends about the native peoples who lived here on Seneca Lake. Many of our villages, landmarks, our lakes and mountains, even many notable tourist attractions are Native American in origin. Their stories and legends and histories deserve to be remembered. So thank you Extra Credit for spreading the word on one of the most beautiful and historic locations in the Northeast. I love the Finger Lakes I love the Finger Lakes region and recommend everyone visit comma weather be for our famous vineyards or are Native American history. :-)

This was a very good episode. Well done! :) It was easy to follow and comprehend. The length was perfect, too.

When I read Hiawatha as the title, I remembered: By the shores of Gitche Gumee, By the shining Big-Sea-Water, Stood the wigwam of Nokomis, Daughter of the Moon, Nokomis. Dark behind it rose the forest, Rose the black and gloomy pine-trees, Rose the firs with cones upon them; Bright before it beat the water, Beat the clear and sunny water, Beat the shining Big-Sea-Water.

9:25 .. Hiawatha always had a Plan. .. oh w8 that was Bismarck ^^ .. but Hiawatha might always had one too. :)

I'm so excited about this! I live in upstate ny, so I'm happy you guys are covering something local to me.

Awesome! Thank you, ExtraCredits and DomiNations!

Did you know Mohawk is a name that was given to that tribe by their ennemies? Mohawk means cannibal. Their real name is Kanien'kehá:ka.

@TasufinAm-su13.

5 жыл бұрын

Your comment interest me. Could you share more, or reference me to someone who may know more?

@timhotz8532

4 ай бұрын

I’ve heard that the Europeans did that with pretty much all the tribes. They named them what their enemies called them.

So so far on Extra history we've had Hiawatha of the Iroquois, Shaka of the Zulu, Suleiman the Magnificent, Samurai oda nobunaga and Justinian of Byzantium. Does this mean we're eventually going to cover all the Civilization Five leaders?

@jacksonbowns1087

7 жыл бұрын

If that's the case, I'm hoping they delve into ancient Egyptian history, since I know next to nothing about it.

@fragolegirl2002

4 жыл бұрын

Great video channel 👍🏽

@snoproblem

2 жыл бұрын

The reason I clicked on this was because I'm currently playing Hiawatha in Civ 5. The 'Longhouse' buff is awesome. 🙂 BTW, it's Empress Theodora for Byzantium in Civ 5.

Gentle-dudes, your vids are "A"-mazing. Thank you and kindly, keep it up! ✌🏾

Thank you guys very much to give us all these little chunks of history that can make perceive a much bigger world, a much bigger history of those we didn't know.

Hiawatha had a plan Hiawatha *ALWAYS* has a plan

2:30 But how did that tragic accident happe- Walpole. It was Walpole.

@davehoffman4659

5 жыл бұрын

Slap my Hand! It's always Walpole. Also, **slap**

@watermelonmonkey13

3 жыл бұрын

What’s that?

This is utterly inspiring. I've never heard this story before. Looking forward to the second part.

Wow, the character art in this episode is some of the best yet!

i love this. Im ashamed about how little I know of native american history

Canadian History!!! Thanks Extra Credits!

@XavianBrightly

7 жыл бұрын

more like New York history bro.

@HxH2011DRA

7 жыл бұрын

Ha! Nope

@kimarous

7 жыл бұрын

Well, "Canadian namesake" history, then. "Canada" comes from a misunderstanding of the word "Kanata", meaning "viilage/settlement".

@fulgrimtheilluminator2392

7 жыл бұрын

The Native American tribes were around before Canada.. The Mohawk territory ranged north to the St. Lawrence River, southern Quebec and eastern Ontario... So Canada.

@ashwin_ragu

7 жыл бұрын

Current borders didn't exist and as such this history encompasses both Canada and the USA.

THE BEST OF A SERIES OF EXCELLENT VIDEOS. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU!

I really wish these were longer these are definitely my favorite episodes that you guys make shit like this is inspirational

my teacher made a worksheet that’s being graded as a quiz based off of this video 😭 love the video tho!!

@extrahistory

7 ай бұрын

Amazing!!! 😱

I miss this narrator

This is fantastic! Would definitely love to see more series on Native American History!!

Incredible episode, I just wish it would be longer, but I'll take what I can get. I love learning more about Native American history and culture, so I hope you guys can do other episodes about this topic in future. If anyone knows about other KZread videos about this subject or any TV series like "500 Nations" please let me know.

"So, hey... War is kinda bad, all this death and chaos makes living somewhat unpleasant... How 'bout we organize some laws to bring peace to our homes, and talk our neighbours into following so... yeah, even the dickheads..." Who's the civilized continent now huh?

@Taospark

7 жыл бұрын

When the Europeans came, the Iroquois had no problem playing the same game. They absorbed new tribes and made war expanding their territory from Albany all the way to Detroit. In the end, they weren't undone by disease so much as a split between the member tribes on who to side with during the American Revolution.

@toddcrane4318

7 жыл бұрын

+Plowbeast yeah as shown in AC3

@headhunter1945

7 жыл бұрын

Undone by a split? The native Americans never really stood a chance against Europeans. The Europeans not only developed the modern weapons the natives were just learning to use, but also had centuries to develop military methods, drills, etc, that went hand in hand with the new weaponry, one influencing the other. In addition, they had a far more specialized civilization, much greater understanding of science, more efficient methods of production, which leaves more manpower, greater reserves of ammo and better logistics, and so on. Not to disparage any accomplishments or bravery of the native Americans, but... they never really stood a chance.

@tabinekoman

7 жыл бұрын

Then the nation become big, greed return, war comes.

@Taospark

7 жыл бұрын

GreyWolfLeaderTW It depends where. The hardest hit by disease were right on the Atlantic seaboard in North America, the Caribbean, and the initial Spanish landings. Tribes further inland were affected but not as much such as the Iroquois while even more insulated tribes west of the Mississippi were affected even less. It's for that reason that some Iroquois tribes survived and many of the Western tribes did at least in number even if they are not thriving by internal measures.

"If you like their system so much go live with them!" The more things change XD

As a descendant of the Haudenosaunee, I am honored and thrilled that you guys are talking about my ancestors ! I actually didn't study their story, I only know bits and pieces of it, you are teaching me my heritage. I didn't think it was possible for my respect of you to rise this high and yet to continue rising.

I love it when we get to hear more about native/aboriginal histories from the US, Australia, and the Middle East! Thanks so much for making yet another awesome video! =]

I've commented this before and I'll do it again: why may we not learn about this branch of history in school? It's interesting, it's different, and we can honestly probably learn more from it than whatever what's-his-face James Taylor or Millard Fillmore did.

Wow. Extra history goes more in depth with the Iroquois than my school. ( I live in canada so we spend about 2 years in elementary and one in high school again so you would of think that I know a lot of the iroquois but no)

So are you going to finish the Brother Gracchi series, or is that already finished?

@rylotsheer6327

7 жыл бұрын

yes, saturday

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

This is an extra sponsored episode, they've done these before. In fact sponsored episodes are how this-all started. Think of it as Extra Extra History. When they get a sponsor willing to encourage them to tell more history stories, they go ahead and slot them into the middle of the week to avoid disrupting their Patreon-sponsored schedule. Bit more work for them, but I bet they'd tell you it was worth it.

@shayneoneill1506

7 жыл бұрын

As long as it isnt reviews (Not a fan of sponsored reviews, unless they are *very* well makred as sponsored), its all fine. Keeps food on the table and more history for us.

You guys are actually really good at History vlogs, soooooooooo prolly should keep doing em. Thanks!

Cool to see some Native American history. It rarely gets explored in most series, sadly.

Tadedahao Redemption arc incoming? yes? no?

this is actually really intetsting for me to listen to because I'm actually from upstate New York and have heard all these names but never the story. Thanks extra crew for teaching me about my local history!

As someone who grew up near Hiawatha Island, I want to thank you for giving something near and dear to my heart this attention, and helping me to understand the island's namesake.

Could you give an explanation of what it means for a tribe to be the little brother of another tribe?

@akrybion

7 жыл бұрын

I guess more or less the same roots, maybe close trade relations, a interwoven culture and so on.

@WannabeCanadianDev

7 жыл бұрын

Probably like a Cadet branch to a noble family but for a larger unit, like a clan.

@smygskytt1712

7 жыл бұрын

Might it be similar to ancient Greek colonies, and how they always had a mother city?

@davidkelly4210

7 жыл бұрын

Sort of like how the US and Canada are separate nations but largely a single people ethnically and culturally. These tribes were likewise independent but related. In truth, they were ALL a single people but lacked the communications and infrastructure to maintain a single state (until the Confederacy).

@johnalexander651

7 жыл бұрын

Canada isn't U.S's Vassal or little brother more like an example of a modern day Vassal would be the America and Guam.

As someone from Oneida (not the tribe the county) this means a lot to, the tribes got kinda messed up and there story’s need to be told!

Thanks for this guys (and DomiNations), it is wonderful to see some First Nations history.

Finally! An Extra History I knew something about ahead of time! I've lived in Upstate New York almost all my life and it was mandatory to learn about Hiawatha in our elementary schools. Never in my life did I think that they'd be discussing it on Extra History though.

Mohawk here It's nice to have our culture and society appreciated

@QuillStroke

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 1/3 Mohawk I'd love to learn more about that part of my heritage.

@conroads2626

3 жыл бұрын

@@QuillStroke Yeah me too. On the American side.

@SQUAREHEADSAM1912

2 жыл бұрын

@@QuillStroke I’m only 1/64 Mohawk but yes, this is a very interesting topic.

YEEESSS, never thought id see a native being talked about on here lol we dont get much exposure

People's liking of history is all about how the history is told, boring memorization of facts will never win over anyone, but informative, entertaining series like this will. Thank you for getting me interested in the history of the New World

Keep On Rocking , You People Insipried Me To Be Dev And Entertained Me With Your Extra History You People Are The Best.

Released 2 minutes ago, 10 minute video, already has 29 likes... You guys watch videos fast

@ConkerTheCat

7 жыл бұрын

I always like Extra History, even before watching it

@Broockle

7 жыл бұрын

If it's extra history I like it before I play the video.

@TheDarkGamersub

7 жыл бұрын

fair enough, fair enough

@noahgray543

4 жыл бұрын

8x speed! Ain't nobody got time for listening to anything slower!

Wow they were so enlightened! The sad part is that by listening to all this, I get the impression that the very reason why Native American technology stagnated for so long was because of this 'lasting peace' and so when the Europeans came they were no match. Such a terrible end for so great a human achievement

@TheThemutedude

7 жыл бұрын

+Glenssuos Extra thanks, I am interested in this topic

@katex2677

7 жыл бұрын

Well, I wouldn't put it to their state of peace to them being conquered. I would blame it on their geographical position. In their area they had no domesticated animals which meant they could not build up tolerance fur diseases that came from animals, as well as them being isolated from the rest of the world, meaning that developments like gun powder and steel weapons and armor could not be obtained.

@VintageLJ

7 жыл бұрын

War was quite common, as well as human sacrifices and small genocides, depending on whereabouts in America you look. I'm not smart enough to know the real reason why they couldn't/didn't develop better technology on the scale of their European neighbours, but it certainly was not the fault of a lack of war.

@gurusmurf5921

5 жыл бұрын

Necessity is the mother of invention and they felt like they had everything they needed.

@cadenvanvalkenburg6718

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageLJ competition. Europe is tiny, and filled with many nations. They never had enough resources, and so developed to gain an edge. Meanwhile, North America had many resources. There was enough for all, and so they did not need to develop as fast as Europe did. Furthermore, almost all of Europe is linked to water and could trade and learn from most of the world.

This channel is great, thanks man :D

This is especially well done. I applaud you.

and then they lived happily ever after. Until they ware massacred and and taken away from their lands.

I am curious, hearing they trusted so much on Jigonsaseh, how did the natives deal with genders?Was there sexism like there was in the Europe of the time, was it worse, or was it better?I am really curious to know if they acted like most of other civilizations at that time and treated women badly, or if the difference in culture made equality between the two genders. I mean I know they spoke of Tadodaho treating women in a harsh way, but he could be one of the few, since he is shown as this tyrant type who lives on power, I am sure he didn't treat other men well either anyway.

@internetalias1613

7 жыл бұрын

+Kidagine Sadly I don't think we will ever know in detail.

@inventor121

7 жыл бұрын

Iroquois society was based on a matriarchy, While the men (chiefs) held the power to make decisions and act on them the women (clan mothers) functioned in a way the senate is supposed to (and at the moment clearly doesn't) and could effectively veto the chief's decisions or even remove him from power if they thought the chief was being too rash. Certainly there were gender roles but it wasn't like Europe at all. Women had great power in Native societies, the power to second guess the men.

@ryanmcclure3749

7 жыл бұрын

It seems that (from the video) the women were respected as advisers, nurses, and mothers, rather than direct leaders or warriors. So they had a lot of respect but different roles, like most societies that were tribe-like and did not have huge civilizations.

@gacorley

7 жыл бұрын

Not a big expert here, but there is a huge variation in tribes regarding gender. Some were more or less matriarchal, others more patriarchal. Many tribes recognized third or forth genders (what are now known as Two Spirits, which includes transgender individuals but is a bit of a different concept). As they said in the video, the Haudenosaunee Confederacy gave women the role of electing the chiefs, so they got a good bit of power. I don't know if their role was different in Hiawatha's time.

@kidagine

7 жыл бұрын

***** Yeah I was sure there wasn't one answer for all of the native Americans, it's such a huge continent, I am sure they were varied, with each tribe having a different culture, I was just curious for the general picture, thank you all for your answers by the way, it's really interesting.

This is so beautiful and happy. Unlike almost every single other Extra History series, this one seems to be happy endings for almost everyone. I love it so much!

@keiyakins

7 жыл бұрын

Oh don't worry, eventually a plague devistates the civilization and European colonists sweep up the rest. That won't be for quite some time though.

history channel should support this channel

@BadgerPride89

7 жыл бұрын

history channel doesn't really do history anymore, tho (shame)

@ZomeaterWWZ

7 жыл бұрын

^

@lukecapper9576

7 жыл бұрын

Theyd probably fill it with stuff about aliens and pawn shops.

@PitLord777

7 жыл бұрын

Not enough aliens in it.

@ZomeaterWWZ

7 жыл бұрын

these guys get it. disappoint history