Always horde, never hoarding

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Darn it. I missed a trick there, didn't I!?

Thanks for the review. After introducing (and sticking with) my battered, original version of the game, I’m considering buying the new version due to all the great looking expansions.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I love my original copy, but it now serves only as an expansion for Advanced Heroquest. I use Avalon Hill's edition when I want to play HeroQuest

7:30 I totally agree with the alternate rule for placing Archer variants of enemies! One use case I like is placing more Archer variants in earlier quest books if the party is overgeared for its content. (Say, for example, if you bought expansions out of order and ended up playing Against the Ogre Horde right after the base game only to pick up Kellar's Keep later on.)

Great review I’m so excited to get this expansion set looks amazing. I agree that the dread spell changes are a curve ball and the doors weird rules but the mini figs amazing can’t wait

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

The miniatures are excellent. These are some of the best miniatures we have got for modern HeroQuest so far. I thought the ogres in Mage of the Mirror were good!

Great review and thoughts. As always. Already home brewed this doorwise, some other tweeks. Some ported in from my original copy. Scanned and made tiles for ease. Reference double sided ones. And have a clear grid overlay for the exterior tile. Absolutely agree on the messy magic system. But...all in all. Very happy. Looking forward to seeing your next two videos.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts (overlaying a clear gird for the outside tile is a good idea). Overall, I think this is a great expansion. I would say it's my favourite so far.

Picked this up last Friday at retail. Absolutely amazing value and quality, especially the ogre sculpts. Love this game system and thanks for another ace review...!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

The HeroQuest expansions really are good value. It's quite hard to think of other systems that offer quite so much in terms of miniatures and new rules.

Great video. Mine arrived yesterday. Can't wait to play it! Only thing which I would've added would be exclusive dice; maybe stone effect dice to match the colour of the large Orgres

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. Stone dice would be cool, because I would give them to my dwarf player.

Great review. Love to listen your honest opinions about this product even having received it from Avalon Hill as (I guess) a gift.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Thanks. Generally companies will ask if I would like to receive a product to review. I get quite a few offers, but I'm pretty selective so it has to be a product I think I'm going to like and/or will be of interest to viewers.

I have waited 30+ years to get my Against the Ogre Horde. It arrived yesterday April 4th, pristine condition, plus a set of Dreadmoon Dice and the HQ Rolling Matt. I am going to go look through the Box as I watch ABNB unbox His :) Its Fantastic.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

It's blooming lovely (the dice mat is nice too!). I hope you have a lot of fun with it.

@KentKaliber

2 ай бұрын

Hey where did you find the Dread Moon Dice ?

@doomed2die595

2 ай бұрын

@@KentKaliber I got them from Hasbro Pulse page 34.99 usd

Thanks for the video. I like all the minis, going on my wishlist. I like the boomerang goblins, but realized what you mean as the Ogre minis showed up. Looking for to hearing about arena mode.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

The ogres are really good. I love them.

On my table I'll probably do something for the ogre doors like: any heroes stacked up on the door can add their strength to the roll to lift it, at the cost of their own turn. That way it could accommodate a weaker party, but it will slow them down a bit.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I think I'm probably going to allow potions, spells and the like. Assistance from adjacent heroes also seems like a good call. I still feel like there has to be a cleaner way to do it, though.

@EriktheRed2023

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring How about if you manage the roll, you open the door as you open any door. If you fail, you sill open the door, but that was your action for that turn.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

That would help a lot, but doesn't really resolve the issue with a character like the warlock being better at opening doors than the monk. In another comment someone came up with the idea of rolling 2D6 against your body value as a strength test and succeeding if you roll equal to or less. I liked that idea a lot, and added the suggestion of allowing a character to roll against their mind in the same way to open the door with cunning.

I do home-brew HeroQuest. And how I alter the goblin boomerang miniature is if they miss by not rolling any skulls during an attack, the boomerang keeps going until it hits something. Or after hitting its max range it will come back and have a second chance of hitting a hero

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Nice. I think the bombs and boomerangs do deserve some fun rules. I was thinking maybe bombs could do a one-dice attack on every model adjacent to the target, and for the boomerang, if the attack whiffs (rolls no skulls and therefore the target doesn't need to defend) it gets an immediate second attack as it returns to the thrower.

Looking pretty good so far! This one is definitely going on the 'to buy' list. Also looking forward to further looking into what we get. 😃

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I think this is the expansion I have been the most excited about so far.

Even though I've already got my copy and opened it, I always enjoy looking out for you videos for some of the discussions and details you go into. I never looked at the minis that close haha. Interesting to see if there's any more differences being a trial copy, my outside board had the grid lines on it

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Although I received a review copy, to the best of my knowledge it's just a standard retail copy, not a pre-production sample. So, I'm wondering if the lack of a grid on my outside tile is a difference between print runs or a regional variant. I know some other people also got an outside location with no grid.

@franksiegames

2 ай бұрын

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring oh interesting. Did it come from Hasbro Pulse? All my preorders never got dispatched but I got mine from GAME when they stocked up just under 2 weeks ago, so maybe there is some different print runs

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

It came from Avalon Hill's rep team with some retail copies of other existing titles.

Woot!! The Ogres are beastly monsters who do NOT play around! I remember an article in one of my D&D books titled "Made of Hit Points!" And these ogres live up to this hype. 😮

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Big chonky boys. As they should be.

@HivisoftheScale

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I'm not sure how I feel about the Arena rules... But we'll get to that. Oh and Sherlock beat the crap out of the Mothman... Though that might have been because of how I interpreted his card: "Confirm Suspicion".

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Sherlock is my favourite character of the ones I have played. He's an absolute boss.

@HivisoftheScale

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring yeah... His ability to do damage to the Mothman based on the boost value of Mothman's is utterly deadly! At least in a 1v1... Poor Watson just sat off the side, though he did get to shoot once 😁

Loved the original Ogre Horde from the 90's so can't wait to get my hands on this. It is a shame that goblins don't have special rules but you could adapt the rules from Blood Bowl as the Gobin team (among others) have a bombardier player in it that throws bombs. Is a high risk high reward move.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking some simple splash damage for the bomb - 2 dice on the target, 1 dice on all adjacent spaces. And for the boomerang a free second attack if the first one misses. That should add a bit of chaos.

Great content as always!! I noticed something odd though. Either my version of this expansion accidently has grid lines on the outdoor tile, or they forgot to print the grid lines on yours. I had to double check my copy to make sure mine if mine had them or not.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

It seems that some people got grids and some people didn't. I'm not sure if it's a difference between print runs, or regional variations (maybe from different factories or something).

Great video bro

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Thanks.

As someone who loves getting custom minis for this stuff, I'm SUPER curious to know which enemy you would have liked to see as one! I didn't see a whole lot other than standard "boss version of normal monster" when flipping thru the quest book.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

In Infiltrating the Fortress of Ogres there is a special type of enemy in one of the rooms. In the original version of the expansion, these enemies had a particular type of weapon. Reference to that weapon has been removed in the new edition (so they didn't have to make new miniatures, I suppose), but they still get the special attack. I will be less vague when I talk about this in my Zargon-only video next week!

Also, although I really like the new gobboz, I finde the choice to name them "Archer" semantically remarkably odd, since neither of them features any form of bow or arrows...

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

It's very odd. I really expected to see some special rules for bombs and boomerangs. Otherwise, why didn't they just give them shortbows?

Absolute awesome videos - Been scanning through them all this evening and I have one question before I start right at the beginning this Friday with everything I have collected. My main 2 questions are; Is it possible to use all Heroes from all the expansions at the very start of quest 1 from the main box and include all their spells and weaponry - Or is it easier to open the boxes 1 at a time? Really appreciate your incite and keep up the great videos.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. All of the heroes can be used at any time, so if you don't want to play with the four in the core box, there is no harm in taking heroes from any other expansion and dropping them in. For example, we started our campaign with the original core heroes, then swapped out the dwarf for the rogue heir, and then when we got Mage of the Mirror we immediately started using the elf spells from that expansion. So, we gradually mixed things together as they were released.

@redroosterlivemusic

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Perfect, thank you. Can't wait for more content. Keep up the great work as your videos are excellent as there is a lot of hard work gone into researching them and a great passion for an awesome game. Cheers 🍻

Its an awesome set and well worth it even when I’m lucky enough to have the OG version.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Avalon Hill have done and overall great job with it.

To open the Stone Doors you could use a "Body Test". The Hero attempting to open a Stone Door must be in an adjacent square and tests their Body by rolling 2 Red Dice. If the result is equal to or less than the Hero's maximum Body Points the test is passed. If the result is greater than the Hero's maximum Body Points then the test is failed.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

That's a solid idea, and I think it works better than going back to the character's starting attack value, which isn't a true reflection of their strength. To accommodate different teams and keep the game moving, I am thinking maybe a hero could attempt to open a door with strength or cunning, rolling either body or mind, whichever they prefer.

@BabyXiuhcoatl

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I like the idea of a Wizard or Rogue being able to use a "Mind Test" to open the Stone Doors (as well as many other skill tests in my HQ homebrew) because you could make one card for how Stone Doors are opened and how varying classes can use various means to accomplish this. And they can accomplish it without the need for seperate powers, cards, etc...

I really like this expansion. I really love the new spells, and the goblins are screaming for custom rules regarding bombs and boomerangs. The tournament provides a perfect entry point for the monk. I'm glad I finally have a Druid, but I'm going to have to add a rule or two to him. The oversized Ogres looks great, too. Hey, I have a question, as well. How close is the story in the new Ogre quest book to the old one?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

With the exception of the first three adventures, and the whole situation regarding the World's End Tournament, the story is exactly the same. The remaining seven adventures all match up with adventures from the 1990 original.

Great review! I've gotten my set and can't wait to play! What's your interpretation of non-adjacent for ranged attacks? Does diagonal count as non-adjacent? I don't allow crossbows to be used on all surrounding squares.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. My interpretation for the crossbow goes back to playing the game with the European rules when it first came out - I don't allow the crossbow to attack diagonally adjacent spaces. This seems fair to me, as it means it isn't too overpowered compared to melee weapons that do allow attacks diagonally. However, in the rules in the new Avalon Hill edition under the combat section, they do describe adjacent as being the four orthogonally adjacent spaces. That seems pretty conclusive, but HeroQuest rules have never used the clearest most consistent wording and there are examples throughout the rest of the rules and in subsequent expansions where it implies the use of the word "adjacent" when referring to diagonals. Furthermore, Avalon Hill have refrained from ever giving an official response on the matter, saying HeroQuest is to be played your own way. So, I generally only consider the four spaces orthogonally adjacent to a model to be adjacent, but I still don't allow diagonal attacks with the crossbow because it's already very powerful and my players are happy with that ruling. I think as long as you are consistent with how you rule it, and everybody is in agreement at the table, it doesn't matter all that much.

@ronkhoo

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring thanks! so to be consistent do you also consider enemy ranged attacks to not apply on diagonally adjacent spaces just like the crossbow? referring to the goblin and orc archer ranged attacks.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I think if you apply it to the hero's crossbow, you have to apply it to enemy ranged attacks too. I have to say - and this is something I started pondering back when Frozen Horror introduced elf archers - the wording of monsters does reinforce the ruling that diagonally adjacent spaces are acceptable for ranged attacks, as the monsters attack with X dice, or 1 dice on adjacent targets. There is no mention of them NOT being able to attack diagonally adjacent models, yet we have to assume their hand weapons are only capable of a standard orthogonal strike. That would mean they are entitled to make the diagonal ranged attack. I have always played disallowing the diagonal ranged attacks, but now archery is becoming a much bigger part of the game I have thought about trying a few games allowing it to see if I feel about it.

@ronkhoo

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring thanks for the long replies, I've only recently started replaying the reissue HQ and expansions and your reviews are one of the best resources. Diagonal adjacent does seem like one of the most discussed game rules :D some melee weapons can hit diagonally, some ranged weapons shouldn't (by player interpretation), between these 2 cases some characters can end up with a diagonal adjacent blind spot. That requires strategic positioning, which is good for gameplay I think. I'm playing solo using the app, once I encounter ranged enemies I'll know for sure how official rules interpret diagonal ranged attacks.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Oh, to add, in Against the Ogre Horde, the rules for the arena combat make a specific distinction between "adjacent" and "immediately diagonal." So I do think arguing that the"true" ruling of ranged attacks is that they are not allowed to attack immediately diagonal spaces is pretty shaky. It just comes down to which you ultimately prefer for the flow of the game.

The original Against the Ogre Horde was available in Australia as well, I know because I bought one back then and I still have it! Like all the Hero Quest stuff here it was the European version.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

Ай бұрын

Yes, Against the Ogre Horde was only made for the European version of the game. It may have been available in some other territories but, like Wizards of Morcar, it was never made for the North American version of HeroQuest. Just as Mage of the Mirror and Frozen Horror were made for the NA version, but never made for the European version of the game.

@bilko991

Ай бұрын

I see what you mean and understand what you meant now. The pedant in me heard "it was a European exclusive" and I thought you mean it was only available in Europe. We are late getting many things, and don't get everything down here but we did get Hero Quest! We also got Dragon Strike but we don't talk about that :)

So let's face the Ogre in the room...with only Wizards of Zargon left to glam up, what are we thinking, 13 quests? Because it feels very anticlimactic to just waltz into each ones lair like we Googled their last Check In. I feel like each wizard should get a 1 or 2 quest buildup leading to their fight. Let us traverse the swamps the necromancer is hiding in. Challenge the orc warlord to access the cave his shaman sequesters himself in. Scale the mountains to reach the storm master, etc. Then we would still want a preamble to "Oops, J/K they're all still alive, go play Wizard wack-a-mole" maybe we go to town to celebrate and a massive force of evil warriors attack the town and the heroes have to defend a few waves, with a final boss dropping off a challenge to come face the wizards for realsies. This would give them elbow room to create new content and expand it to a full sized expansion but let them continue to show love and respect for the classics, as the actual fights against the wizards wouldn't need to change.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

Ай бұрын

Original Wizard of Morcar feels like the final boss run in something like Ghouls and Ghosts. As Avalon Hill fleshed out Ogre Horde I am sure they will expand the original Wizards content in some way too.

We might disagree on your favorite Hero (=Orc Bard), but we agree 100% on the bloated and unnecessarily complicated new spells. Thank you for your thoughts, much appreciated and well done video! Looking forward to your Druid highlight video! Best Wishes, Iri 🌼

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I have always said the world would be a dull place if everybody agreed, and (it may surprise some people to hear) I am really happy that some people love the bard, and that his existence makes their game sessions a bit better. Porting over the old spell system from the original expansion, rather than revising it for the game we all play now, seems a bit odd for sure. Thanks, as always, for the support and kind words!

Just opened my copy and the outdoor tile has a grid. I wonder if they added it later in the production process after advanced copies? Also, thanks for making these videos. An honest, balanced review. The first place I go for Heroquest content is here! Very excited for the other videos on this expansion!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I have seen some people with copies that included a grid. But to the best of my knowledge I got a regular retail edition which would be the same as they are putting on shelves, not a pre-production sample. It may be a change between production runs, or maybe different factories or regions? I know I'm not the only person lacking a grid.

Do you happen to know if Path of the Wandering Monk is getting a reprint? I had mine pre-ordered with Amazon UK back in January and after a few weeks it was pushed back and eventually the order completely disappeared from my order list and the product can’t even be found on the Amazon site now. I’m a bit worried I’ll miss out on it as I have everything else released so far. Thanks!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

Ай бұрын

I don't know anything official, but general chatter seems to be it's awaiting a reprint. It wasn't a limited run product, so I do expect it to come back into stock.

According to the US, and Hasbro, rules, if you have no weapon, you roll 1 die.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Yea, I know. That’s the point I’m making. The “base attack” for a US hero is technically one, not the value on their card, but Avalon Hill have adapted a rule from the European game where the attack value on a character sheet was a hero’s base value before weapons. You can’t open a door when only rolling one dice which is why the rules specifically state the wizard can’t do it. To clarify, the rules aren't asking you to roll your "unarmed attack" against the door, they are asking you to roll your "base attack value" from your character card. That made sense in the European rules, but doesn't make sense in the US rules.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring the last 3 box sets I've gotten the cards are some what damage. I'm wondering, on the back of the cards in your box are they damaged? anyone else having this problem. When I bought the monk set, Telor and the spirit queens box set. The last few cards are always damage on the side , like the machine or someone wrapping the cards with the paper thingy ma jigger tighten it too much. I did send a message to Avalon, but they didn't say anything about it, other then Oppies.

@doomed2die595

2 ай бұрын

I found one of my Cards from the Rogue Heir Box to be creased entirely through the middle of the Card like a rolling pin rolled over it, I do believe it was the last card in the deck. I went to local Toy Store and got myself another box. One set of the Two Mythic sets I purchased had one Chaos Warrior :) with no shield attached, that pissed Me off, got a 3D printer now so I will just print out a alternative shield for it.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I just double-checked my cards and they all seem fine - no obvious damage. Which of your cards from the Ogre Horde, specifically, were damaged and where? Just so I can compare to mine.

@TSRCardMasterFan

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I'm at work at the momment and I'm on break. when I get home, I'll leave a comment on which cards are damaged.

@TSRCardMasterFan

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring so i just got home and checked my cards. its the druid spells, and for the monk set, its the monk cards. the edge of the cards have a little scum where its looks like wrap paper pushed too hard

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, I just double-checked my Druid cards and there is no sign of any damage on them. Definitely seems like something Avalon Hill should rectify for you.

Dont get me wrong, im gonna get this. But i have to say i really miss the old realist style of art and sculpts, especially in this release. I vastly prefer it over the mobile game ass art direction they have now. Also, Morcar is a better name then whatever saturday morning cartoon Zargon escaped from. Good Review!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I will always prefer the original HeroQuest aesthetic. Unfortunately, when you are competing with the likes of Les Edwards and Gary Chalk, you are going to finish a runner up. I do like the homages Avalon Hill do to the original material, and I do think it was the right move for them to go with this more modern style that is very popular right now, but yes... you can't beat classic HeroQuest.

I like the ogres a lot. Much better than the original ones, which I used to own. Seems odd to have archers who aren't using bows?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I think I still prefer the original ogres - there is something about all those old miniatures that really appeals to me - but they are very different, and for me they are both really good in their own ways. Yes, I'm not really sure why they didn't just give the goblins bows. It's almost like they were going to add some special rules for them, and then decided not to.

yeah that one to one rules scale is a real issue.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

I was really expecting more changes in the missions to account for the different rules.

@1000jjwalker

2 ай бұрын

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I'm going to say something controversial. I've been running this game for years. And it dose show it's age.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Showing your age isn't always a bad thing! For me, HeroQuest has stood the test of time as a true distillation of the dungeoncrawl experience. It does with so few rules and components what so many other games hope to achieve.

@1000jjwalker

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring i do enjoy it

Yep... in the end I ended up with two boxes of "against the ogre horde", in two different languages just for collecting. I received my English copy last week and the other one is supposed to arrive at the end of April... I have never bought two boxes of the same for any of my board games, with heroquest it's the second time I do it.... I also looked for skeletons and dead bodies to 3d print and put in the arena instead of the cardboard tokens... Maybe it's too much?... No!!!! (The original druid looks like a pilates instructor lost in a games workshop store, or is it just me?)

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

She looks like a pilates instructor because the artist specifically said they designed her clothing based on gym apparel. I am so glad we got new druid miniatures!

15:15 Ouch... seems she lost her right thumb tip to a wolf or s/t

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

Ha. I think it's just the angle her thumb is at. She definitely has all digits intact!

@AND-od5jt

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Puh -- quite a reassuring message... always one of my greatest fears when punching them out of the grid ;)

Ill be honest - ill probably just substitute the goblin archers with those from dungeon saga origins, but the ogres are truly formidable miniatures (nothing miniature about them). Shame my 8 year old son has basically commandeered them for playing with.😅

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

My boy is going to be seven this year, and my HeroQuest miniatures are basically his version of little green army men, so I know the feeling!

@genghisgahan9623

2 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I have to admit to a certain amount of satisfaction that my son loves playing with all the miniatures I paint. To be honest he gets far more use out of them than I do. He has started painting himself and it's great father & son time.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

That's great. I play a lot of board games with my two children, but neither of them are into the painting side of things.

ehen the crap it gonna be on amazon

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

It's already on Amazon in the UK and US as far as I am aware. Not sure about other territories.

On the topic of nitpicking : arrows arent fired, they are shot or let loose No fire involved

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

2 ай бұрын

The term "fire a bow" does date back to some time in the 1800s, and it's now in common usage, appearing in many movies and books. It's also the terminology used in the HeroQuest rules. So, while you aren't wrong, it's not a nit I would necessarily pick myself. It's more to do with how language has evolved and the usage changes over time.

Hot take: The fact that AH is not fixing some obvious design mistakes that were barely excusable even in the early 90 suggests that they don’t care enough about the source material… or that they care a bit too much.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

22 күн бұрын

I think in this case it's about being too cautious. I think they didn't want to upset the old fans by changing too much and erred too far on the side of caution. If they wanted to do their own thing I think they have shown they can do it, especially based on what I have seen of Jungles of Delthrak.

With Axian Quest, 3rd party minis and programs for making your own cards, these official expansions are of lesser value in my opinion. I must say that you can make better contents and rules yourself, if you have some boardgame experience. HQ expansions probably apply mostly to collectors.