I find it fascinating that a child of Loki (Sleipnir) was the one to carry Hermodr to Hel, another child of Loki

@OceanKeltoi

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Hel: How did you get here? Hermodr: I rode your half brother for nine nights, awww yeah Hel: =blinks=

@mr.badwolf7356

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Loki, manifestation of Chaos. Thus we see Ragnarok literally come forth from him like the persons he has sired. Chaos isn't always bad, however, and thus we see how his other children rise to demigod-hood or godhood but never end up destroying or hurting someone. Instead those children stand out, like their destructive siblings, but for different reasons. Sleipnir was a six legged horse with greater speed than any other horse in the nine realms. Loki's two children by his wife are known only for the role they played in their father's imprisonment, suggesting that they were the only two of the Asgardians to have lived normal, stable lives. They were never gods but they never needed to be. Being normal among gods makes them special.

@thalmoragent9344

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@@OceanKeltoi Lmao 💀

@thalmoragent9344

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@@mr.badwolf7356 Wait so, wouldn't those 2 "regular" kids of his still be demigods??

@YagrumBagarn69

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@@thalmoragent9344 Yes. But their fates are quite grim.

Lol even Jesus that why he wept. Aw that is now a classic.

Thor: "Loki, the f*** is that!?" Loki: "That's mah boy, Sleipnir." Thor: "You're... his dad?" Loki: "His mother." Freya: "I told y'all about him bein' a freak!"

@gorillaguerillaDK

Жыл бұрын

Thor; "well that explains why he went through so much trouble just to see me wearing a dress, (he could just have asked*giggles*)"

@fiddlesticks7245

Жыл бұрын

Freya has zero right to call anyone a freak lmao

"The dead travel fast" Bram Stoker

THANK YOU for bringing up the issue with Nanna. It has always bothered me that she would apparently be screwed over.

@OceanKeltoi

Жыл бұрын

More on her in my most recent video

That is an interesting point to bring up. Loki in this instance sounds like he’s putting the gods egos in check and making them realize that they must obey and respect the rules of death.

Personally, I believe that the reason Loki sent (and, as Thokk, kept) Baldur in Hel was a sort of banishment, to retaliate his own children's banishment. Fenrir bound, Jormungandr cast into the sea, and Hel sent as far from Asgard as possible; so Loki "banished" Odin's son, which also led to the death of Hoth.

@deismaccountant

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Definitely my take to. To me the eddas are a tale of how “fate” sets people against each other.

@DjDoomtrain

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The way i see it is simply loki being jelly in the belly

@DjDoomtrain

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And ofcause being the blood brother of the King one must test how much one can do before put in chain and have poison droppede into the eyes

I live for your necromancy jokes 😂, I also love the fact you make videos on gods that most wouldn't even know about because they're not mainstream

@AugustoFornazari

2 ай бұрын

His necromancy jokes are to die for

"Fenrir deserves headpats" - Indeed!

"...even Jesus--that's why he wept"...made me guffaw !

This has given me a lot to think about. I got misty-eyed imagining the scene where Nana and Baldur give Hermodthr gifts to take back to the gods, letting them know that death is not the end, just the start of another journey. Your final thoughts on him too, on a never-ending quest to redeem past actions. I too, will light some incense for the One Who Serves.

I have to “Hermodr the former mortal made Aesir in a quest for redemption” is a lot more compelling than “Hermodr, Thor’s even lesser know brother”

@heathenpride7931

Жыл бұрын

Hermodr, Thor’s brother. No, the other brother. No, the other other brother. No! The… fuck it.

You don’t hear many stories of Sleipnir. This is fascinating! 🐴

Sleipnir is the funeral procession. The dead (rider) is upon its back. The legs represent the legs of paul bearers. This sounds like a shamanic rite to enter Hel's home.

It seems that one of the prevailing themes in Norse stories is that death is always inevitable even for the Asir, so I agree death is a necessarily maintained counterbalance to life.

Hermodr...may you be free of the guilt that burdens your soul and find solace in your service.

First time viewer, Lokaean for 35 years, love your storytelling! I have shared this video :) I love the "Fenrir Deserves Headpats," and now I go to the merch store... I grew up knowing that Loki is the God of "Painful Truth," and like Jung says (paraphrasing), those that deny the truth claim it to be a lie, until they realize what they are in the dark reflection of the black mirror. Don't really like Snorri, but I really like how you tell this tale and your explanations. P.S.: You hooked me at your horse joke.

i love these videos about minor characters that dont get much attention! your perspective on whats said in the lokasenna and the interpretation of it is certainly refreshing food for thought, too 🤔

As someone who’s just getting into this first out of curiosity then as a comforting experience. Thank you for sharing what you know.

Great point about Loki's motivations at the end of this one. Of course by then I had already punched the like button right after the first pun, as always

I'm surprised your horse won I was sure it would have been dead last

@lysanamcmillan7972

Жыл бұрын

It actually did come in last in its first couple of races despite what the necromancer said. However, those who won quickly discovered the promised winnings were non-existent or far from the generous purses they were promised. Thus the resurrected steed began coming in first. The options were getting what they were promised for second and third place wins or getting nothing whatsoever. This is why there's really no point in beating a dead horse.

Definitelty always saw Loki sabotaging the efforts to revive Baldur not as purely evil for its own sake but as a temperamental reaction against the gods pulling one over her daughter... even if Hel herself seemed totally cool with it

That first 30 seconds was a LONG way for a dad joke. I approve. Thumbs up.

This is the greatest story I have ever heard you tell and I think loki was maintaining the balance between life and death ☠️💀

@jackiealberti8731

Жыл бұрын

Me too. Loki works against the status quo when the system stagnates and what Frigg tried to do was unnatural

I really enjoyed this story. Another great video, Ocean!

I've never thought of the Loki story in that way before. It was refreshing and it makes me love Loki even more

I laughed at the "nightmare" pun harder than I should have

... Alright that intro joke was way better than it deserved to be.

I don't know who I am mad at more, you for making bad puns or myself for laughing at them.

@OceanKeltoi

Жыл бұрын

Let the hate flow through you

This would really be a good movie

The parallels between this figure and that of the Skull Knight from Berserk are surprisingly close. There had to have been some degree of inspiration when writing the character

Your videos are excellent Ocean Keltoi, there are so many details about the myths I enjoy listening to in order to understand more about them. It is very enriching. And your puns along the way make it more enjoyable. The "Night-Mare" joke got me good. But the weeping joke? Even better 😂😂😂. " 10:52-10:55. "..and all things in the universe proceed accordingly and wept for Balder, even Jesus that's why he wept" 😂😂😂. Man...I laughed my ass off as I heard this.

Intro was magic. I love you. This is the energy we need these days

I tend to think of the ways one can be a son and the ways one can be a parent. That perhaps Hermothr could be the adopted son of Odin. That he was brought into the family of the gods in a way to help him atone for his past mistakes by serving mankind as he was supposed to as a king.

I wonder if Slepnir being a half sibling to Hel has anything to do with the Aesir riding them to Helheim

Keep the videos coming Ocean, we love them💜

I thought about leaving a clever pun before I'd finished watching the video... But that would be putting the cart before the horse. :-p Anyway, I'm fairly new to your channel and I love it! I also really appreciate how you give Loki the respect they deserve. It's refreshing to see as a Lokean. :)

I swear on my left sock...i Love your Intro ! Like the Synthi-Sound...

I syncretize Hermodr with Hermes, not just because of the name, but the messenger and psychopomp aspects of him. The misdeeds could also relate to how Hermes has thief associations and makes amends. It also fits because it could add more interest in the interpretario Romana of Odin with Mercury and yet seeing them separate. I also see tit as a way to add to the triplism associated with Hermes, Odin, and Lugus.

Hail, Ocean Keltoi! I've recently been exploring Heathenry/Norse Paganism/Asatru, since the more I learn about it, the more I find that the path of the Aesir and the Vanir, the Landwights, and the Ancestors, and every other great God and Spirit, is most certainly for me. I've found your videos extremely informative and entertaining, and I'd like to thank you immensely for the work that you do. That said, however, the question I would ask you is, perhaps surprisingly, not related to the Faith, but rather, hair-style, or in our case, lack thereof. My choice of ensmoothening my noggin is a deeply personal one that, again, perhaps surprisingly, doesn't have anything to do with my faith, as I notice that quite a few of us like to go bare-domed, nor is it anything related to my health or anything like that. Suffice it to say, I'm trying to keep my head bald, and I must say, you have an enviously smooth and shiny scalp, good sir. And so I must ask; what is your secret? Are you naturally lacking in follicle, or is there a technique that I could employ to keep my crown free of those most undesirable of locks? TL;DR - Noob Heathen here, love your vids. I like your cut, gee. You wanna tell me how to be shiny like you?

once again thank you for your work

I love these videos, especially puns, keep it up!

Really enjoyed this, thank you.

Love this story, I like the way you tell it :)

Outstanding as usual!

Such a fun video - I love all the snippets of information and stuff that we can infer about some of these "minor" characters in the myths. It's a fascinating line of research. Well done!

Love the content brother, such an interesting story

Wow Ocean, this was fascinating to me. Maybe it just caught me at the right moment but to me it was intriguing. Great job. Glad to see you're back as well.

Old Alaskan proverb - you can bring a horse to completion but you can’t make him drink it. I think that’s how it goes

Slippery legs is what I imagine looney-tunes to experience when trying to make it from one ledge to another

I love that you're videos always give different perspectives on things. I've always wondered if hermord could be a name for Odin himself, since he plays a psychopomp role in Snorri's story and also given the parallels between his name and the continental deity: Irmin. This is a lot of speculation tho and there are elements that point to another direction.

Amazing story! Amaazing take on the Loki Balder mythos. Bless.

You just popped up on my feed....watched, liked and subscribed! Greetings from a Swede in Glasgow, Scotland....

Necromaner horse gambler.. next dnd character here i come?

A story well told, sir! Thank you!

Nice video. Hermòdr is also a truly incredible Swedish band as well.

Another piece to the puzzle!! 8 legs n all!!?? I took notes n made notes for my studies!!! Thanks for sharing 👍!!! 👍🐺🧙‍♂️🦊👍!!!!

Absolutely loved this one. ❤️ I honestly believe that it was a balance issue a reminder that all things will pass and become part of the cycle.

In practice I consider Hermod to be a sort of messenger god, in the way Hermes is in the greek pantheon. Both travel to an afterlife on business for their respective pantheon. It would also explain the name similarities. They could have the same root deity. I always thought considering hermes to be odin's equivalent in greek a bit silly.

The puns are beyond glorious!

From what I’ve read about the misunderstood god Loki, I truly feel he is trying to restore balance of Chaos and order and will do what’s necessary or unnecessary to keep it that way

Thank you for sharing this knowledge and faith, very informative and well-done. You just earned a sub 🍺

Where Baldur & Hel “a thing” the reason I ask is sometimes Hel is depicted as the mother to Krampus (Evil Santa)

@OceanKeltoi

Жыл бұрын

There's no suggestion that Baldr and Hel are in that kind of relationship. Far as we can tell, Baldr is in Helheim with Nanna.

Thank you for sharing it's about time I get up on my Norse mythology

the puns in this video are top tier

I understand that "eight-legged steed" was a euphemism for pall-bearers, which makes sense Hermodr would ride Sleipnir to Hel's realm and also reflects Odin's role as a death god but since no mention of this was in your video, I was perhaps misinformed by someone trying to justify their own point. If it's true however, perhaps this concept should be further expored regarding Sleipnir...

So what I realised about Loki is that he isn´t so much evil, Loki is a Trickster he is the one who shows the gods the errors he get´s balder killed but only because frigg didn´t thought the mispel would be a danger and then when the gods tried to just command everything in the universe to obey and weep he would not showing the gods that he doesn´t care what the gods want and in the story with Slepnir I read that it was Loki himself who got the Gods to accept the offer of the disguised giant and it´s horse and they didn´t checked that guy only in the end when things would get really bad for Freya, Loki saves the day so I think that Loki isn´t evil the gods are so full of themselfs in those stories that he shows them how arrogant they are

“As a necromancer…” I never understood why people need to label themselves. But this is quite the video opening 😂

THANK YOU!! I have always believed that Loki did this all in plan.

Great video.

The story makes me think about the stories surrounding the Underworld. Like even when the people are offered the chance to go something goes wrong, making sure the dead remain very much that. Dead. The only exceptions we get is in the form of a manner of rebirth in one form or another. Personally, I think Baldr would have refused regardless. For honour sake more than love, after all he was a warrior. Eventhough the death itself was foolish, going back would also mean admitting he made a mistake or showed regret of his own choices instead of embracing them.

The death of bauldr is quite interesting as it portrays Thor as a resurrectionist. Trying to use mjolnir as a means of bringing bauldr back. It also says Thor gets distracted and kills the dwarf who then died of the pyre. Hermodr dose say a lot about death rituals.Even a way to return the dead to life. I find it fascinating. That tears can return someone to life. Even wonder what happens if you write runes with tears? I have still kind of waiting to find out on that one? Algiz rune in particular. It seam the tale suggest the tears are what are needed to return people to life. Not just any tears neither. Nope by the sound of the tale tears of the someone how feel loss deeply. Feels wronged by the loss. Hermodr is a great tale. On par with many messengers. Funny that I can get his name by anagramming mine. I also seen it spelled hermod/hermodd which seems extremely Saxon in spelling? It also infers dreams as often we travel in our dreams to place we can’t reach on foot. I believe you may have covered this in an early rendition? Some time around or between 2020-mid 2021. Very entertaining though memory of it hazy? As I do follow others that have KZread and discussed it at length so could be crossing my streams a little. thankful you enlightened me to Beowulf link. Much appreciated! The embers of that story needed stoking. As for sleipnir I had wondered if Loki had been bitten by a spider before hand? Before he went swing all over town? Spider venom then got caught shagging pony? Truly mad. I love to have the fastest stead as my ride. Just to gallop between realm. It also said hermodr is often sent by Odin through the realms to gather and give information to various people on the world tree. Travel the path least walked. travel the path few known. Never travel the same road twice. The old thing of I’ve traveled this road many times! yet, it’s never the same road twice! For each day there is something different. changes I know not? People and places I know little? but many a tale they have got! As in life so in death! The cycle will continue even if I’m not there to see it. It shall be for all who journey. Read me of a few old church hymns I once knew well. One that talks about taking journey with people. Lord of the dance is one, I struggle to recall the others. But there were a few I used to sign at Junior praise. The one I have that is but a fragment in my memory talks about walking with people. Often sung at school assemblies as well. Just wonder if there’s any significance? Anyway great plug! Love to see more!

The moment I clicked the like button, "Even Jesus, that's why he wept." .😆😆😂😂🤣🤣

Slepnir has 8 legs because he symbolizes 4 men carrying a coffin. Slepnir's role as a psychopomp servant of Odin is carrying the souls of the dead to the afterlife just as the Valkyries do for Odin and Freya.

This was indeed a beautiful and thought-provoking video. The idea that Loki would not shed a tear to maintain the balance between life and death really spins into more prominent aspects of Loki. His role in Ragnorok and the end of days. Is the tale of Hermodr just a small view into the Gods trying to stop death because they know of Ragnorok? I'm captivated and pensive now.

I lack the reputation to do this myself, so would you please give the same treatment to Hildólfr from Hárbarðsljóð? I've thought for years that the position of his domain and its name, his own name and association with Odin, allow us to make some informed guesses as to his place and purpose in the greater mythic landscape.

When you try to beat a dead horse you come in dead last.... your joke was better, but I couldn't help myself

Norse mythology does read as much as fate as the conclusion of choices which never change. Perhaps it wasnt loki in the cave but a giant who knows how their people are treated and loki simply knew this and knew his daughter would not let Baldur go without all things weeping but knew of a scorned giant unwilling to weep for a god who would allow her people to die for nothing else but a territorial dispute

If we are talking pre-Cristian influence Loki, probably maintaining the balance. Loki was the one everyone went to when the normal solution would not work. He could think of elaborate plans to circumvent the problem and reach a resolution. In short, Loki would be the Chaotic Good of the Norse pantheon.

So techniqually since Nanna was in hel Loki did Baldr a favor by refusing to weep for him as the other aesir did.

Kinda upset I didn't get a notification about this posting 😂

I think Sleipnir being only brought up, effectively when someone needs to go to see Hel, is probably because they're brother and sister. Remember Loki supposedly got banged by Svaldilfari (the horse that helped the giant erect Asgard's defenses) as a Mare and shat out Sleipnir at some point later. There might only be a specific way for her kin to come and go freely...or she just really likes horse bro.

You sound like a preacher for Paganism. I’m all for it as a Norse Pagan.

@fiddlesticks7245

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You're a pagan? I'm also retarded

@Dice_roller

Жыл бұрын

@@fiddlesticks7245 😑

@fiddlesticks7245

Жыл бұрын

@@Dice_roller problem lil dude?

the synonymy of the loki sleipnir myth to the greek myth of poseidon's persute of demeter and the creation of arion is hard not to ignore. further compare that with two more myths, the competition between poseidon and athena over who the people of now athens were to worship, poseidon gifted horses and athena gifted the olive tree now go back to the myth of loki and the dwarves and the tools of the gods.

Cool and intersting video, as often. What I would like to stress however, is that the bridge resounding of Hermodr's passage does not necessarily mean he is alive and weighs too much for the bridge of the dead. The shaking is always a movement associated with great (divine) power in Norse myths, so it could just mean that Modgud recognized him as an Asa. But maybe you have some other elements to defend that it is because he is alive? I would be very interested in them.

Ocean Keltoi. Honestly, I always thought Hermodr was the Nordic equivalent of Hermes.

Wait a minute, if Loki already shed a tear before they delivered the message to Thokk, wouldn't that mean, Loki already fulfilled that requirement? In which case, that would mean Thokk is a different entity, because even when Loki shapeshifts into a different form, it is still his soul, not a new or separate entity, so Thokk must be a different entity unless there is a specification that Loki did not already cry for Baldr

Hermodr's role of traveling between the lands of the gods and the lands of the dead seem similar to Hermes. And the name is similar. Maybe Hermodr's role is a reduced version of a PIE god that Hermes also personifies? I remember there is a theory that Hermes only was elevated in Greek mythos because he was associated with Pan. Maybe Hermodr and Hermes are both personifications of the Herms stones that marked roads and pathways.

Enjoy the great Ocean videos 💙

“even Jesus that’s why he wept” lmao 😂

That opening deserved a like

Ha! Nice, I'll have to remember that one.

"...all things wept for Baldur, even Jesus!" ... hAhahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I’ve always been a bit fascinated by Móðguðr I wish there was much more written about her - if you think about it, it’s a extremely important task she has!

@OceanKeltoi

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She's interesting because she fills the role that seems filled by Garmr in Baldr's Dream in the Poetic Edda. Perhaps that's a different gate or something, but there are multiple guardians to the land of the dead in Norse Myth.

@gorillaguerillaDK

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@@OceanKeltoi The very good doggie, (I once heard a very wise man say something like; "all doggies are good doggies - and deserving of headpads", which ís a universal truth), Garmr is guarding the gate to Hel yes, the gate Móðguðr tell Hermóðr he will find if he travel toward north and downwards after he has crossed Gjallarbrú.. So while they share some function, Garmr is more Hel's personal guard dog and controlled by Hel, but Móðguðr is a Jötunn and guarding the divide between two worlds - as I understand it, she’s not a servant of Hel! I can’t help wonder what role she have when it comes to the dreygurs. While some of them perhaps, possibly might just has refused to go o Hel, have some of them escaped from some part of Hel, and are there other ways out? Has some of them even been denied access by Móðguðr, and if so, then why? And if it is like I think it is, that she’s not actually a form of servant to Hel, but a being that is there to guard the separation of worlds, what is the significance, were she seen as a form of guardian you would bring offerings to? There’s just something about this being that makes me wish we knew a lot more about her!

The absence in the myths we have of what happens to Nanna after Baldr is resurrected is an extension of the general frustration I feel about the fact that we aren’t told the fate of any of the goddesses during and after Ragnarok. I mean Freyja is literally a goddess of war, why would she NOT be involved??? I smell yet more Christian meddling.

These days are interesting. Rediscovering what our pagan ancestors saw and felt -for the utter thousands of years beforehand, is quite the eye opener (even if it is just one eye 👁️). I hope we can record all of this. From every corner of our world 🌎. These are a people that had survived to give us our bodies. Let's hope their knowledge can live on as well. It was good enough for them. It's important we learn why.

You made me LOL.

That intro had me lmfao

whats your opinion on polynesian mythos, kinda wandered into your channel today

2:30 is basically how i explain norse paganism to my friends who have questions