They didn’t invent any of that but they downplayed Uhuru when he pointed out those issues

What happened, Loyalty was rewarded more than Brains, That's why we don't know where we are going. We have jokers instead of serious people. MUNGU SAIDIA

@tfl4963

Жыл бұрын

💯

This man Manyora is a true patriot.. Should he seek election to the highest office in the land, we will go flat out to campaign for him to victory!!

@tfl4963

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, Prof for Kenya 🇰🇪 1. 🙏 🤲

@KenyanRebelutionary

Жыл бұрын

No, he is an idiot, you can see how he reasons

Running a government is not a bed of roses 🌹

@mwendapoleee

Жыл бұрын

I see ruto he seems to be laying on a bed of thorns that his wife had to say something especially when you have diplomats breathing on your neck to solve issues.

@hillaryobonyo5899

Жыл бұрын

Ruto must be feeling it, karma is hitting this Doyen.

Very good analysis by professor Herman Manyora. We cannot continue the way we have, since 1963.

But Ruto was in the last government and should know everything

@Kimstar20

Жыл бұрын

He was tanga tangaling bro

@mwendapoleee

Жыл бұрын

@@Kimstar20 he knew exactly but he was busy strategizing how to beat raila,I think Kenya for them or kenyans are just collateral.

@adhd875

Жыл бұрын

He was busy crucifying Uhuru n building himself for power to e elected by foolish galatians

@euniceombogo5712

Жыл бұрын

@@Kimstar20 🤣🤣🤣🤣Alikua anafikuria kuendesha government is like kuendesha Wheelbarrow 🤣🤣🤣

@euniceombogo5712

Жыл бұрын

@@mwendapoleee Ruto knew nothing except looting

That's why Kibaki did not get meshed in politics. And we all know that he did very well to bring sense to running the government and economic growth. The people who he appointed to help him, give very admirable tact he applied to make each of them to be a solution bringer and NOT a whinny tweet. Why can't they just vacate the seat and we will be saved 😪 from listening to the stuck record 😫.

Manyora is logical and smart! Go ahead prof! Educate us, if only people can listen

@josephojwang5445

Жыл бұрын

Manyora for president 2027

I'm loving this conversation

Sober sober analysis, fanaticism aside, these are the kind of discussions we need to have.

@jackarum2517

Жыл бұрын

Simply Prof say it...our so called " " "Presidents " robbed the Country go to jaramogis ' not yet Uhuru ' book

@geenyags8344

Жыл бұрын

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This discussion went deeper into the root cause of today's state of affairs, we need more of such.. It has reminded me of Joe Khamisi's book "Kenya: Looters and grabbers", an important read for all Kenyans.

@geogias

Жыл бұрын

Hi Clayton, where did you disappear?

@LewisKarani254

Жыл бұрын

I have read the book and I think we need a Part Two....Nothing much will change in this country. Not in a 100 years.

Long live Prof. Always on point

The late president Mwai Kibaki had a cabinet that talked less and did more. In real life, people who spend more time talking normally have little time, if any, for other things. What is the the purpose of spokespersons if you also want to be heard all the time. The truth is that, the cabinet, as it is presently constituted, does not inspire confidence. Be reminded that. These are my thoughts and everyone else is entitled to his /hers.

Good discussion. My take is that the Kenyan individual has to change. There will be no progress as long as the moral bankruptcy continues. Kenyan individuals have to take personal responsibility and decide to be better persons. You can have the best laws, constitutions etc but it will amount to nought as long as the values do not change.

Manyora you are the best.

Manyora enjoying tangawizi tea as he laughs Kenya kwanza on how they are operating government 😂😂😂😂😂❤ your time is coming

Why did Ruto employ the CASs that he could not afford to pay, he thought running a government is like selling tomatoes and beans😂😂😂😂

@rosekithome104

Жыл бұрын

Or like selling eggs and kuku

@adhd875

Жыл бұрын

Is like selling OMENA kwa gorogoro

@justinebakora

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 aki hamko serious

@marymbogoh1533

Жыл бұрын

😅😅😅😅have yu forgotten he started from day one na high court judges running like murife

@duncanchizizi6543

Жыл бұрын

@@marymbogoh1533 kkkkkkkkkk

Kra will raise 1.3 trillion shillings. Salaries and pension 2.1 trillion shillings. Debt 1.9 trillion shillings. 1 trillion shillings stolen. 695 billion shillings lipa counties. And 34 million kenya unemployment. 400 000 business closed. Were pesa coming from. Kenya has to default.

Ruto will never i say never achive anything to kenya,still we are in bottom up achivement,wakenya azeni kuzoea

@spectra.4840

Жыл бұрын

@sylvia ecke,empty words.Get a life and work on your grammar as you wait for your turn to be the president.

You cannot run this country with a hustler mindset; hiring thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists aka CSs, and expect them not to steal and Rob!! Hire professionals with proven experience like Joseph Kinyua. Men and women of integrity.

@chebontoroitich7509

Жыл бұрын

Uhuru hired Kinyua and he got nowhere. If anything Uhuru was only after looting and stashing the money abroad

@You-iy1db

Жыл бұрын

​@@chebontoroitich7509 where did his deputy stash the money to

@kidcud69

Жыл бұрын

@@chebontoroitich7509 but when ruto stole money with all the scandals sorroundin him you became blind?

@chebontoroitich7509

Жыл бұрын

@@You-iy1db you must have stashed it with him.... Now tell us

@chebontoroitich7509

Жыл бұрын

@@kidcud69 I didn't see him. U seem to have seen him. That's why you claim to not be blind

Manyora’s voice of reason makes other people uncomfortable. Honest and straightforward opinions by the professor can only make sense to deep and critical thinkers.

@robertgitau8436

Жыл бұрын

Manyora doesn't reason at all. He's too azimionated to be reasonable.

@asisibayuda9778

Жыл бұрын

​@@robertgitau8436 but what he is saying is fact and truth

@johnosumba1980

Жыл бұрын

@@robertgitau8436 😂😂😂 can you even identify whose opinion and ideas work with a brain that has been brainwashed throughout your life, the good thing the hard life hits both sides. You voted for uhuru three times, he only became bad when he decided not to be confrontational with Raila.

@karuw4139

Жыл бұрын

@@johnosumba1980 you were told not to vote for Uhuru, you actually boycotted an election, but ended being his biggest supporter because Raila changed his mind. Now you pretend you can think for yourself. Impossible to respect your choice.

@robertgitau8436

Жыл бұрын

@@johnosumba1980 you share the same political opinion with Manyora. Of course you have to see sense in what he says. But that doesn't make him reasonable. He's just an azimio mouthpiece, and that's okay.

With the creation of the County system, why do we need still need all the Ministries nationally with still the same bloated personnel? Why do we need 400 plus members of parliament when the same replica parliaments exists in the county governments? In realizing that we needed devolution, why did we not revise the salaries of all politicians, civil servants to match the new now bigger bloated government. I agree with prof, we need to get serious.

CT and Manyora just joked about Easter in this episode. The real issue is that as the whole world celebrated Easter... In my opinion, Kenya did not celebrate Easter because the political stone has not been removed. Like Mary Magdaline.. Kenyans are asking who will roll the stone of political darkness away for us. Unless this question is answered.. Kenyans will remain in the political tomb.

@kitigift2689

Жыл бұрын

What a comment!

@panafrican.nation

5 ай бұрын

@@kitigift2689 Great comment

Bwana "Tume Tenga"" campaigned for 5 years. Apambane na hali yake.

Ruto/Rigathi cleared whatever they collected by employing and creating new offices plus 50 Assistant ministers. Where are they taking this country?

You've won my vote prof

The Kenyans Must Find Out, Are The Characters Like, Ndindi Nyoro, Aisha Jumwa, Milicent Omanga and Denis Itumbi Getting Paid right Now? If They are as the Other Civil servants are Missing their salaries, Then All Kenyans Must Strike

The great talking patriot Kenya leadership and development is the way forward

Very good analysis by professor Herman Manyora, CT Muga and Eric Latifa.

Ndii forgets about balance of payments visa vi deficit financing now he comes with Bretton Woods therapy

Our headroom for debt is reducing. Mmmh, that is actually a Good thing they borrow and misuse, tumechoka kama wakenya

I wish every Kenyan will just reason as you guys.

We are already in big trouble.the role of government is not to meet payroll.

We are poorer today than any other time from 1963

Vert insightful conversation Prof, CT nLatif

He thought he could micro manage the government. Impossible. You set efficient systems and culture, and put the right people in the right places.

I support Manyora. You have true points. Good questions comments & answers. Our weakness as Kenyans is we don't know or are not or don't want to solve all the problems. Problems must be solved by thinking and hard work. No shortcuts or glazing.

Good talk.. personally i think CT Muga has a better grasp of the situation and solutions, reading other comment's against Manyora clearly indicates it has touched a raw nerve of the Itumbi led propaganda machine, hence the character assassination yet he has some exceedingly valid points.

Great insight into the woes of the Country.

that's a sober conversation and it's really unfortunate that such conversation can not be heard where it's supposed to be, with our leaders

An erudite conversation❤

How about this Government does a research in every region and knows what they produce,and exhaust then with the production of whatever it is they can,If it's fish,Nyanza region,Rift valley ,maize etc.

You collect and use...😂😂😂

Economist, and finance experts was needed in this discussion , instead of beating about the bush

For the second time I agree with Manyora. We need to scale down the number of countries. 8 counties with constituencies are enough

@maryadongo7673

Жыл бұрын

Counsell Orengo seggested this in Naivasha and it was rejected.

Mature discussion kweli

The Annual Budget is 1.3trillion. Revenue collected by KRA is 1.7trillion. See my drift? It's not that they went in without full appreciation of the situation but their pedestrian attitude coupled with meism, nepotism, tribalism and other detrimental isms that are not good for anyone back there. Eric can blame the handshake for borrowing all he wants but America works on debt ceiling every presidential term and I didnt see Uhuru and Raila handshaking with neither Trump nor Joe Biden.

Very nice

We should have kept the provinces. Counties are not viable because they depend on the national govt to fund them.

Their are two things ailing our country Kenya, bad and toxic politics, and poor economic strategies.

@bettybetty4310

Жыл бұрын

Pride and tribalism too

Bwana manyora, you are generous to Ruto. Ruto has. Serious leadership challenges. His cabinet is a reflection of himself. In management it is said that successful managers have teams in place who reflect his vision and success. The success of your team is your success and vice versa. Ruto is there not a good manager. Secondly Ruto thinks he can bluff his way in matters government as he did during campaign. In government you deliver and Ruto cannot. The wheels have come off and he does not know how to fix it. He has never fixed any.

@maryadongo7673

Жыл бұрын

Ruto is a scientist primarily, and he thinks & behaves like any other scientist. Where is his team and advisors. They are sleeping on the job.

@euniceombogo5712

Жыл бұрын

Actually hana ata ideas

@maclaudeamumbwe2663

Жыл бұрын

Very true. Cabinet is a reflection of a president vision. No wonder raila aliposema joho ni land minister we had to shoot that madness down too.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@joywairimu2372

Жыл бұрын

I think he is indebted to too many people and is rewarding them at the expense of our country......which reveals loopholes and lack of forethought in his judgement.

Candid discussion

Maybe a rotational president if we cant do it right

Creating offices for fiancées creating positions more than fifty people ,Sundays church functions dp and president non stop traveling allowances are these not taxes from citizens Being misused?

This is Baba dude. Playing safe.

Manyora please speak about economy.Yaani ni kubaya.

Getting serious is simply means stop talking alot rather nonesense and doing your work. Tell Rigathe this

Running a country like kibanda

Everytime I listen Dr. Manyora, my mind always goes back to his analysis before elections. Sema confidence....eish......When giving blame on how we lost, then this guy tops my list...

@tumsifumunuo2602

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely hahaha

@mykogutu

Жыл бұрын

But everyone is aware that the election was STOLEN. Now we have an incompetent government that is not even able to pay salaries.

@victormwangi5334

Жыл бұрын

We can't laugh it off mpaka the servers are open...

@victormwangi5334

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Baba won.

@TruthBeTold-kt6sx

Жыл бұрын

@@victormwangi5334 Why don't you start with opening the ODM servers in Nyanza?

I agree with manyora 100%

Many would want Raila to bring the country down to help Ruto to climb down from his day dreaming, this c cannot be a "one man show"!

Manyora tena aaaah

What manyola is saying is what in accounting we call cash generating unit verses operation unit...CGU is self revenue generating unit but an operation unit is not a revenue generating unit...

@mozi3051

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It all starts at kra. Somebody needs to sort that mess out. Particularly in the Large Taxpayers Office.

Prof Manyara, I like what you are saying.

@bettybetty4310

Жыл бұрын

Ni Manyora sio Manyara

@dicksonnjuguna81

Жыл бұрын

@@bettybetty4310 Asante.

"Can any Kenyan run for President and win?" the answer is a big No, unless yu disenfranchise the GEMA and let President be elected by the others.

I believe this points to the National treasury competence and not a political issue..

On further observation Senate must be do vetting of all appointments by executive or done a way with.The county governments should be independent on all matters of governments the state governments should be their go foreign defence etc but county governments must recruit police medical staff teachers except university collect the tax and state government is to assist where revenue is not enough etc then the down trodden must be assisted by state government.The county government must be reduced from 47 to former provinces and Nairobi to remain capital city with mayor etc

Professor is right. Lagos State in Nigeria has arguably an economy ranked as the 4th biggest in Africa. It's an economy of about 250 billion dollars by World Bank estimate. Yet it's a state in Nigeria. It generates its revenue and spends it anyhow it wants. States in Nigeria build railways, provide electricity, and fund serious infrastructures. I go with Professor Mayora here.

@karuw4139

Жыл бұрын

Do they have oil or where do they get the money from?

@yohanaofficial1326

Жыл бұрын

​@@karuw4139 yes they have tons of oil

@karuw4139

Жыл бұрын

@@yohanaofficial1326 Don’t be fooled by these Nigerians, power blackouts and traffic congestion in Lagos is legendary, it’s not what you would wish on any country.

@otienoagiro

Жыл бұрын

Nigeria???!!!

@otienoagiro

Жыл бұрын

Am shocked someone here gives Nigeria as a working country!! Really?! Nigeria is so chaotic that ...goodness!

If you shrink your workforce, you shrink your tax base. If you shrink your tax base, your shrink your ability to serve your people.

is it so difficult to break this Kenya into two? Clearly, project 1 kenya experiment has failed for 60 years because some communities feel they love kenya more than others. Right to Self determination

Coalition government! No other way! And for the love of the country, all have to agree to sit down and talk about NOT ABOUT OURSELVES but the issues facing the Nation!

Mr Ruto needs money to pay the healthcare workers who are on strike

Finally Manyora removes his eye glasses and says "The problem in this country is about entitlement, some communities believes that they are entitled. This sense of entitlement and I have said it many times this is what Raila and Uhuru had come to accept that unless you address the issue of one community later joined by another, one feeling a sense of entitlement and another community feeling a sense of betrayal and persecution. Our politics has been about Luos and Kikuyus in this country, the Kalenjin wamekuja 'kubeef-up' kidogo. So if you don't address that issue that's what Raila and Uhuru were trying to face head-on."

Prof Manyora is not a political anysist but a Raila man just like Mutahi Ngunji is to Uhuru

Invite an economist to discuss this topic. The reason Kibaki stabilised the country was because he was a trained economist.

@euniceombogo5712

Жыл бұрын

Kibaki achieved and Raila assisted .

Ruto was right. He was smart enough to name this, 'bottom up'. Now we know we are starting again at the bottom and Rigathi has to be the one to divulge to the crabs that climbing up from this economic bucket (or wheelbarrow) will have his 'company shareholders' starting up first. Apparently, half of the crabs don't belong to this RigG company limited (limiting?). How many crabs will get up to the rim of the wheelbarrow bucket with the jostling and down-pulling to re-invent the wheel on the wheelbarrow? You guessed right...Zero! Unless we invert the wheelbarrow (not overthrow it)...and level the playing field so the National conversation is lateral rather than vertical, where only sensible citizens dialogue on the true bottom-up and middle-out, and politicians are prevented from making another top-down handshake (or come-we-stay).

@tfl4963

Жыл бұрын

Mrs HRC would have called these people "a basket load of deplorables" 🤣 🤣 🤣

@Kittygacha_playz

Жыл бұрын

Bottom up is like a wheelbarrow-AKA rubbish!!

we need 50 million more per month for useless CASs

A small hole can sink a Ship. If they cannot face corruption and call it out no matter who is involving oder participating then the Country will defenitly sink.

The answers to all these questions were given by David Ndii.

OMG can CT Muga stop, mute his mic when he wants to sip the hot tea. The slurping sound is one of the egregious table manners. But I love the conversation even though Herman was one of the people that had said that Ruto will never be president and we can take that to the bank.

We are in the same boat, when the boat is leaking you can't say we are in the same boat!!!...

You listen to the discussion.....and do not fail to realise that this NATION has the HUMAN CAPITAL and CAPABILITIES to navigate us through and resolve our ECONOMIC and DEVELOPMENT CRISIS..... Unfortunately,the tragedy is that the requisite capacities are not in situ!!!!..... Instead our current position is that we have a sixth division, second reserve team currently mismanaging of our national affairs!!!

Coming out of this situation is simple; 1.) Combat corruption 2.) Minimise wastage in running government by reducing wastage 3.) The most serious one, Kenya can't sustain 47 county governments, 9 constitutional commissions. The US economy is about 20+ trillion dollars and they have 52 states, Kenya with an economy of about 100 billion dollars with 47 county governments.... absolutely nonsense, even someone who hasn't studied economics will tell u that's total rubbish.....let's revisit our constitution, reduce number of counties, number of constituencies, do away with nominated seats and fight corruption, that way Kenya will sustain itself

If. Our Education system and Health system are not Working we are done PERIOD

Prof manyora ruto was in the former sirikal and if there's no money he should tell us what is going on cause he was the second in command yawa

Constitution making should be a continuous process of fine-tuning. Not be serious once and then forget it.

Ruto must go, icho kiti kiko moto awezani

Prof.Harman “GET SERIOUS” . A political problem with one common denominator -Politics of greed in both gov. & opposition - since 1963.

We are over represented

Drought is a natural occurrence , Famine is man made ... 90% of the current government were in the previous government ... CT you cannot inherit yourself buana 😅

For sure the the president is serious but the problem is.... he doesn't want anybody who is wise enough above him to be appointed or to be the appointed or to be the read

Manyora is very sharp. But his hatred for Ruto messes up his judgement

@north77100

Жыл бұрын

Why would anyone support a murderer and a thief. Your values are pig-ish .

You guys talk today like yah just landed fro Jerusalem 😢😢😢😢😢

Israel, Dubhai, Emirates ,Hong kong, Ireland. Why are they so successful and they are much smaller than Busia county? It is lack of foresight, greed and impunity.🥺

David ndi his economic policy's belong to the class room..dead on arrival our economic model is not utopian

Being serious is bringing in Raila in the government but last year he was in the government and things were still hard.

@Kimstar20

Жыл бұрын

Madam tribalist how you doing?

@martinobwar5273

Жыл бұрын

Jane, what position was Raila holding in the government and remind me what cabinet meeting he sat to articulate ongoings of the government, while you’re at it please remind me again where Ruto was all this time and what position he was holding

@Kimstar20

Жыл бұрын

@@martinobwar5273 bro leave that tribalist woman alone!

Parliament has not actualized Anan templet after the 2007 elections.

SpiceFM, you are always a good platform but always bringing sycophants like Manyora does not help.

We need to stop and have a serious discussion 'and acknowledge that western democracy is not working for us

Iebc returning officers, po' s, dpo's, clerk's have not been paid, since December.

@dkproductions.9848

Жыл бұрын

I was a clerk and I was paid a month after elections,wtf is this nonsense you are peddling here?