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Back in 2013, you could have walked into a Patek Philippe boutique and purchased this 5131J for £45,000, but if you wanted to buy one now, you wouldn’t get much change from £100,000. Why is this little world timer now worth double?
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With this title I was expecting a Dougscore at the end ;-)
@danielsevell5732
6 жыл бұрын
Watchfinder, the type of guy to make Doug references unintentionally.
@TheMisterTango
6 жыл бұрын
Doug's the type of guy to wear a timex in his Ferrari
@HamletNOR
6 жыл бұрын
I understood that reference!
@techpassion4126
6 жыл бұрын
*QUIRKS INTENSIFIES*
@Mr74261000027
6 жыл бұрын
And he didn't mention his column on autotrader/oversteer
Like most art, it holds a special meaning to the owner when they understand the craftsmanship and skill needed to create it. A smaller brand could reproduce this watch with a printed design, or even an injection mold, and it might look identical today, but the owner of this piece knows, deep down, that someone’s years of training is resting right there on their wrist. Great video
@GonzoJamie
3 жыл бұрын
Bang on the money Dan - it’s the art and the appreciation for the time and effort gone into producing it.
I just wish they would have used Comic Sans
@Benderrr111
6 жыл бұрын
lol
@GonzoJamie
3 жыл бұрын
I much prefer the newer version 5231J
If I had the money, I couldn't bear to have that thing on my wrist because the words' type face would get on my nerve every time I glanced at the dial. Cursive-inspired font looks horrific when in all capitals.
@Kpiotr
6 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. In general, PP seems to not pay any attention to typefaces, using very generic ones, which is a huge mistake IMO. Being conservative is one thing, but using Arial on a timepiece worth thousands, is a completely different story.
@MattGDesign
6 жыл бұрын
As a type designer and graphic designer, I second that. It's a crime against humanity using the default all caps for a script typeface, and the letter spacing is awful, everything is butted up against each other, it's as though the designer just picked the free font from the list without even choosing ligatures or swashes.
I know it's very small but the gold wire looks terrible in comparison to the finish of the mechanism!
@atianfirebolt8125
6 жыл бұрын
Yep
@iutlu
6 жыл бұрын
the hole mapa-mundi is the size of a fingernail, you only notice the fails at the wire ends bc its magnified, and the only way to get rid of them would be to melt them together.
@dimman77
6 жыл бұрын
@@iutlu No. The highly paid Swiss artisan, of this super expensive watch, who works under a microscope, with expensive Swiss tweezers, can close those up and form them better. There are better examples of cloissoné on far less expensive pieces. Just not necessarily on watches.
@iutlu
6 жыл бұрын
ok i stand corrected sir. nevertheless its kind of a nitpick since you wont really be able to see at naked eye. Its not like the guy buying the watch will go - oh i just realized this microscopic imperfection on my 100 000£ watch, my day is ruined, guess i'm getting on my bugatti and just go back to my castle!
@dimman77
6 жыл бұрын
@@iutlu The gaps in the wire are visible to the naked eye. That's a lot of money for sloppy cloissoné.
100K, impressive movement with a beautiful finishing, very hard to do painting on the face of the watch but STILL featuring one of the ugliest fonts existing applied on the dial. Shame.
@shothorology9183
6 жыл бұрын
Tommi Selander defo
@tomminseteli4577
6 жыл бұрын
😂
@alex0589
6 жыл бұрын
They're so out of touch in the mountains of neutral switzterladnzx, they probably think they nailed it.
@booxwee3804
6 жыл бұрын
Tommi Selander Its not supposed to look modern.. I have nothing against it, wouldn't like it on a omega for example
@mfil596
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sadly comic sans was made too late :(
No, no, no...that font should never have been chosen for use in all capital letters. £100,000 watch with £1 lettering..
@uuuultra
4 жыл бұрын
Yes and the logo on the bezel is so tacky 🤮
@uuuultra
4 жыл бұрын
Theo, u must be one of those people who thinks just because it's super expensive that it's infallible
Look at us looking at videos about watched we cannot afford.
Patek 5131J was an application piece. Rhone products allocates the watch to the customer and was not available for "walk - in" customers. Therefore the comment "back in 2013, you could have walked in to a Patek Philippe boutique and purchased this for £ 45000" is not entirely accurate.
Cloisonne is beautiful, but doesn't make a € 100.000,- watch per sé. I have cloisonne vases from China, a hundred years old, beautiful colors, same technique as this PF dial, but worth somewhere around € 100,- Either the vases are terrible underrated, or the dial is overrated. I think both statements are true...
@BonDijon
6 жыл бұрын
Well Patek didnt think so either considering the original price point of 45,000, but the market has said otherwise lolol. Also, the price is not just for the Cloisonne, but for the movement, finishing of the movement, brand name, etc, etc im sure ;)
@yungnietzsche2302
6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure no one gives a fuck about your vases...
@JackJackKcajify
4 жыл бұрын
@@yungnietzsche2302 no one gives a fuck about this garbage overpriced watch. Intricate work or not, all high end luxury watches are made with precision and expertise. Watchmaking isnt a formulae where all inputs equal an exact output ( price). The cost of the materials isnt worth over a grand. so is the workmanship worth 100 000? are the watchmaker getting paid that money? or the stockholders who get all the profits but merely pay the watchmakers a salary? bet they got profit margins of 90%
I want this guy to narrate my life everyday. I feel like he could make even the shittiest of days sound worthy of scrapbooking.
The video didn’t really explain why the price of the watch rose by double...
@briankirsch5859
6 жыл бұрын
Supply and time.. These watches from patek take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to make.. No joke. Not many watches come out ta market every year.
@cristiandone2837
6 жыл бұрын
dear sir, all these watches are made in China for 5$ each... they cost thousands because stupidity must be punished and the mother of idiots is always pregnant
@alexp3752
6 жыл бұрын
Is 60K total movement/case production per year enough for you?
@alexp3752
6 жыл бұрын
A fool and his money are soon parted...
I wish you went into more detail about the mechanism for changing time zones in the watch. One of the main features
Please talk about the zenith el primero defy 21!
Probably my favourite watch ever made!
👏🏻👏🏻 absolutely brilliant. No other watch channel will dive so deep into the details of the labor and thus proving the justification, for these amazing pieces as watchfinder. Top work every time
I’d hardly say that enameling is as hard as watch making as an entirety. Hard yes but the movement is still more impressive in this case. The dial is impressive don’t get me wrong but the amount of work put into the movement is probably double that of the dial.
@dimman77
6 жыл бұрын
No CNC to help on the cloissoné.
as always very well presented and the spoken word draws you in from the get go.. another great work.
2:02 it does not pronounce "amusingly" email, it's AI-MY
That watch is a work of art, that's for sure, but your beautiful words and your elegant editing is nothing less. Outstanding!
so yeah....no Australia, China or Japan in this world (map).... =D
@scottcrawford3745
6 жыл бұрын
I think he means the map... so... 20% of the world is missing.
@QWERTYUIOPAS6464
6 жыл бұрын
Even some timezones are missing
@ccllvn
5 жыл бұрын
thats because Patek knows anything outside Europe is irrelevant
this is the type of watch that simply blows my mind
This and the 5325 could be my favorite modern Patek watches. Both embody everything they do well!
Just because something cost a lot of money doesn't mean it's worth a lot of money.
So why's the price gone from 40k to 100k?
@briankirsch5859
6 жыл бұрын
Id say supply mostly.. Lets not act like all Pateks dont gain value with age.. But i dont get it either because their watches ARE perfect. All of them... Except this world model. : /
This is actually quite sloppy cloissoné for the money.
@justanotheryoutubeuploader
6 жыл бұрын
And that font is atrocious. Like someone given ms power point to an 8 year old.
@BonDijon
6 жыл бұрын
Original price point or the market price?
75% marketing, 25% work.
@49fiori
6 жыл бұрын
95% marketing
@norra124
6 жыл бұрын
You're 100% poor and jealous of others.
@49fiori
6 жыл бұрын
nurkijao I have more money than all your ancestors and your future relatives combined multiply by 100... Patek is for the poor people who want to show they have more money than they actually do
@norra124
6 жыл бұрын
Sure you do.
@49fiori
6 жыл бұрын
nurkijao want to make a bet?
Equatorial deserts? The equator is typified by lush greenery and tropical rain forest. The major hot deserts of the world are centered on the horse latitudes around 30deg north and south of the equator. You should have a green equator with desert either side.
@AbstractMan23
6 жыл бұрын
LiamE69 very good point, well spotted.
Creating this Timepiece requires sooo much patience. The result is worth it! Love it.
What is that font for the city names though? It makes the whole look cheap I think
I read comments about the cloissone technique not up to par, and ugly font...but no one mentions engraving the brand name/place of birth on the bezel? IMHO this is much more terrible than the Rolex YMII where the name of the watch was engraved on the ceramic bezel!
You people are the best at describing the details
Great vid! 100k watch better be able to reverse time for me.
plus the same thing has happened with the nautilus its guide price is in the early 30s but the market is double that
Well said the Patek Phillipe 5131J World Timer is a piece of art on your wrist, you look at it all day long when you look for the time of the day. the people who have bought this watch in 2013 for $56,000 are very lucky because now the watch is worth $130,251.
Great job on the uploading frequency:)
Loved your videos. Will it be possible to do a review of the Deep Sea D-blue or Black Dial as well as Pam 422/423? Thanks
Could you tell me whether the cities were picked randomly or for other reasons, like time zones etc.
Another funfair claw-crane drop from PP. I jest, but I think it looks kitschy at first blush. Great work though, both from PP and you.
How about a comparison between Vacheron Constantin Tradition and Patek Calatrava 5119G?
So beautiful. Im sad though. I came here after watching one of your older videos from last year, and i immediately noticed how i got pulled out of the beautiful atmosphere of the story by the promo voiceover interrupting the flow from intro to body. Ive mentioned it many times now and i fear this is how things will be now. Still an immensely watchable channel, but i am sad that this will probably continue. If you read these comments, then greetings to you and my well wishes continue.
for 100,000 I would buy the following watches: JLC Duometre Chronographe, JLC Geophysic True Seconds pink gold, JLC Duometre Unique Travel Time, JLC Master Ultra Thin Perpetual pink gold and Reverso Tribute Calendar pink gold, and would be left with 25,000 GBP
How about a review of the Omega World Time
The font and typesetting really look like an accident. What were they thinking? The font wasn't made to be used all-caps and is illegible at this size. Just look at "NE" of New York, "NV" of Denver or Anchorage as a whole.
I wonder how much the guys who painted/worked on the dial got paid...
how does this compare to the VC 37 time zone
im looking for an affordable explorer 1/airking style watch with a flat crystal (not raised) to wear with a leather strap. something very simple, clean looking, 36-40mm $250-300 budget any suggestions?
could you do a comparison of this and the JLC Universal Time? I don't know if the PP is worth 10x times the price.
Amazing! What a story behind this masterpiece!
link to the background music please
Do they have it in rose gold?
After all that talk of precision, the color coding of Africa is wrong. It has arid areas in top and grasslands and tropical forests in the middle and the west. Not to mention, there is no accuracy in the maps. They'd get more followers with a simpler dial for this watch
I would love to see a video on a Carl Suchy watch! If you can get your hands on one
What's that nick on the peninsula of South America?
What's with the dent in the gold lining on South America's east point?
Unbelievable beautiful told I enjoyed every seconds of this stunning piece
How do you get all those watches ?
I don’t like being negative, but I have to say the workmanship of that cloisonné is... brutal. For a great dial from a comparable watch look at the Laurent Ferrier galet traveller. For better cloisonné at 1/10 the price look at the ulysse nardin classico dragon. Comparing enamel work on vases and such is different because there is so much more space to work with, but even other watch dials are much more well executed than this. Great video as always.
Ok, but this doesn't justify that pricetag.
@tonygedalovitch8958
5 жыл бұрын
@@joebryant8500 Actually the only thing that justifies the price is that people are willing to pay it and that is what anything is worth, what someone is willing to pay for it.
Great video.. can you please review Longines Lindbergh GMT ss/Gold limited Edition 18k solid gold bezel 🙏 I think I want to buy it .. thanks
The font is hideous and I don't like to see crown guards on dress watches.
Cloisonné. When it has copper thread it is Clo.....Oh you went on to say that!My farther dealt in it and as you said it never fades. It's amazing. No "tropical faces here!!! 😂
If it were the artistry that justified the cost, then it always would have been worth 100k. This is basically just marketing and upcharging driving the cost.
How does one read time on this watch?
Keep these excellent videos coming! Perhaps more on the vast majority can afford please XD like maybe the SKX007 or any Tissot
Dude there is no way on earth that work on the dial is worth 50k by itself... This is nuts
unless you leave this lying on your desk or daily it (why would you do either?), wouldn't artwork in your living space be a lot more readily visible to you your whole life?
@carminered
6 жыл бұрын
great video tho!
5131 world time is one fo my favourites
The ding on the dial though. mmmhh. I wonder that happened there.
world time watches: *exist daylight saving time: “imma destroy this mans whole career”
No sweep second hand?
Pretty sure my Casio does the same thing, but doesn't look as good though
Whats the background song?
La Paz, Rio...y Buenos Aires?? :( ...no nos quieren ni en los relojes
What’s it’s Doug Score??
This watch is my fav, second only to my Casio f-91
It’s still not worth 100k, it’s gorgeous and all but 100k for that is ridiculous
@base924
6 жыл бұрын
as long as you can sell it for more and make a profit while wearing it... I would wear it because of this. Patek has made themselves the next step up from Rolex. Clever marketing but so so watch!
Glad to see Dhaka among the cities
I was looking at this on their site today and a few hours later this video poped up🤔
A watch where I can't even tell the time when wearing my glasses is next to pointless.
Okay, I'm sold. Does it comes with Snoop Dogg's face embodied in the center Instead of a map?
"equatorial deserts" ehm...
Because someone priced it at $100k Arbitrary
Still no idea why it did double in value tho. All good craftsmanship and all, but doubling in value is huge. Why?
To make one thing clear: No paint brush has just a single hair, because the hair is for storing the paint. A single hair cannot store paint. Also, its not that important how many hairs you have in a paint brush, but its important how this hair is formed - especially the brush tip. The best brush for the finest details has a big belly to store the paint and a very sharp tip for finest details.
Pls take a look at the most recent speedmaster racing!!!
At 03:30 it doesn't look al that well done to me. I have a feeling that there are better ways to do this then bending copper by hand. Would a photolithographic process with etching not achieve a nicer result? But wait... this is all about artists :-) bla bla bla... It would not surprise me at all if this work is actually done in some third world country to save money.
You´ve convinced me, buying it
What an amazing Art piece
i love patek i wish i can have one.
"Patek" is the sound it makes when you put it back on the counter and say "are you fucking kidding me?" to the salesperson.
I think the action on the bezel/hands while clicking over looks extremely floppy and cheap , am I wrong ?
Do they make this in quartz :)
@justinmark2117
6 жыл бұрын
Clearly a joke... but after being down the high end automatic watch worm hole, along with all the costs and maintenance required, I am seriously considering adding a quartz to the collection.
It costs 100 K. It is NOT worth it
@christopherw179
6 жыл бұрын
It is not about high class vs poor. It is about an appreciation for skill, craftsmanship and rarity. A poor person can appreciate all those things even if they can't own it. I cannot afford a lamborghini miura but I'd stop and talk to a person who does to share in the nostalgia. The same with this watch. I can stop and talk to the owner and discuss the movement in his watch vs my Daytona 4130. We could talk at length about Rolex's marketing vs Patek. I know the owner of this watch would appreciate all those things and I'm sure they would enjoy the conversation as much as I :)
@alexp3752
6 жыл бұрын
As a watch enthusiast for 50 years, I have a handful of friends who are multi-billionaires. None and I repeat none, would buy this piece. Some would shell out $ 50 K for a Calatrava, VC or Piaget, but this piece is way overpriced.
@tonygedalovitch8958
5 жыл бұрын
@@alexp3752 There is no Calatrava that would cost $50,000.00 and yes if you really had friends like that some of them would have a watch like this or even one from the 1950s that would have put them back over a million dollars.
J for yellow gold?
Is it gold?
Review any louis monet watch!!
I watched a video from a KZreadr who had a several thousand dollar watch. He said that someone swiped it when he was FORCED to remove it at an airport “security” checkpoint.
My dream watch. Maybe one day.