I wonder how accurately they reconstructed the Mycenaean pronunciation. That is intriguing. The Mycenaean period was over 3000 years ago.

@someinteresting

Ай бұрын

It is very well researched according to what is known as of today, ie ypsilon read as plain u sound, the gw that will gibe b in Attic and so on.

@mznxbcv12345

Ай бұрын

They didn't. This is just guesswork. 0 chance anyone from back then would understand a word being said or remotely recognise it. It's at best a pastiche. Dead languages are as reviviable as deducing chinese (mandarin?\cantonese?\japanese\korean) pronunciation from the characters alone.

@zada9409

21 күн бұрын

@@mznxbcv12345 Im from 5,000+ years ago, my friend is a Mycenaean, he told me this video get all messed up!

@electrictroy2010

21 күн бұрын

@mznxbcv12345 FALSE. The sounds are reconstructed from mis-spellings on other documents from uneducated writers. The misspell shows how it SOUNDED to the writer. Plus since this is a poem with specific rhythm, we can tell if vowels were pronounced as one or two syllables. AND finally we have documents from Ancient Greek teachers that explain “This is how you say this word” with attached phonetics Therefore NOT like reading Chinese pictographs. The actual sounds are recorded & decipherable .

@mznxbcv12345

21 күн бұрын

how exactly does it show from the correct spelling?Example: The alphabet this comment is being written in. ya kno ?

Amazeballs!! As a Greek it's really nice to see how different my language is to that of the ancients

@claudioflocco7456

2 ай бұрын

in percentage % how much can you understand?

@GWENDOLYNMUSICofficial

2 ай бұрын

@@claudioflocco7456 Based on my modern Greek language skills alone I would say about 20% Ancient Greek, if I try really hard it could be approx. 45%-ish, for Mycenaean it's even less, I'd rank it on ~10-15%, if I put my mind to it'd be like, 20%(?), the grammar and sound shifts on Mycenaean and this specific reconstruction of that specific era of ancient Greek (which I assume is meant to be Attic Dialect) make the language REALLYYY different, honestly had it not been a tradition for both of the languages both modern and the Ancient variants to be called the same I'd consider them entirely different tongues, which they pretty much are! :3 hope this helped

@dieguito65

2 ай бұрын

@@GWENDOLYNMUSICofficial How fascinating! As someone who studied Ancient Greek at university, I have the opposite experience to yours when encountering Modern Greek. It requires intense mental exertion to comprehend even just the words, as there have been many transformations. I completely agree with you when you say they are distinct languages.

@dieguito65

2 ай бұрын

By the way, the text being compared in the video to the Mycenean language is an excerpt from the Iliad, rendered in a form of Greek commonly known as Epic Greek. It embodies a poetic language, and usually contains many archaisms which fell out of use in Attic Greek.

@GWENDOLYNMUSICofficial

2 ай бұрын

@@dieguito65 Oh my goodness that's amazing! I'd love to know where you studied perhaps? 👀I wreally want to study abroad and I'd love to know of a university or college that has good Acient Greek courses!And I'd love to know which sources you recocomend for learning ancient greek as well!

Ancient Greek and ancienter Greek.

@basedkaiser5352

Ай бұрын

Can't wait for Ancieterer Greek.

@johnfist6220

Ай бұрын

@@basedkaiser5352 Proto-Greek?

Very rhythmical!

@tante8074

2 ай бұрын

Yes! The Iliad was composed with that in mind. That's why the text in the video sounds so rhythmical, it was meant to make ancient Greek even more sing-songy

@matteobortolotto5809

2 ай бұрын

Of course, this is the metrical reading of the hexameter.

@OrphicPolytheist

Ай бұрын

Because bards was so important to this culture, the Greek language was formed from the ancient times to be ideal for poetry / songs. For example, the Greek Alphabet has a number of vowels that have the same pronunciation but they exist to signify length, musical time. Omicron and Omega both sound "o", but Omega is supposed to last twice as long as Omicron does. Ancient Greek also has 3 accent marks. Where one is signifying a high frequency pitch, the other a low frequency (bass), and the third is in between. 😮 Modern Greeks don't use these though.

@tante8074

Ай бұрын

@@OrphicPolytheist Like many languages ancient Greek had phonemic vowel length. Omega and Omikron have nothing to do with music. Long O and short O changed the meaning of words.

@jaironperezcopa6503

Ай бұрын

@@OrphicPolytheist Well, languages evolve over time, long vowels were reduced and the tonal system became an accentual one. The same happened with the Latin.

Both languages sound great, as if the speakers are reading and singing at the same time. They remind me of the way Indians chant in Sanskrit and the melodies of Central Asian nomadic rhymes. ☺ My years of doubts were answered when the Internet became popular and it became known that they all had (partial) Aryan ancestry.

@philomelodia

2 ай бұрын

No coincidence. They are reading poetry. They are reading part of the Iliad. If you listen closely you’ll pick out words like Achilles and so forth.

@Kryuhunhaput

2 ай бұрын

They share a common Indo European ancestry not Aryan(which is Indo iranian). While I don't doubt some greeks might have iranian and hence aryan ancestry I think this distinction should be made given how easy it is to fall for racist rhetoric when we extend 'Aryan" to all Indo Europeans.

They should label this Homeric and Mycenean Greek. The "Ancient Greek" used here is the Epic Greek of the Iliad and Odyssey from about 800 BCE. It was an archaic version of Greek and mostly Ionic with some Aeolic. "Ancient Greek" van mean anything from Homeric, to classical Attic (what is usually thought of "Ancient Greek") to early koinē which is very close to modern Greek.

Mycenean Greek in fact has seven case like Sanskrit. Sg loc: -oi, -ai Sg ins: -o Pl ins, loc -phi(n).

@cleitondecarvalho431

2 ай бұрын

Then how would theos be inflected for exemple ?

@japaneseapoist286

Ай бұрын

​@@cleitondecarvalho431 Sg nom theos Sg ins teō/teophi(n) Sg loc teoi Pl ins teophi(n) Pl loc teoihi

@philomelodia

Ай бұрын

All of those aspirated consonants, the long and short vowels along with the rhythmic half chant of the hexameter verse actually made me think of Sanskrit. The Greek of Mycenae was spoken 35 centuries ago. This would’ve been around the time Sanskrit was still actively being spoken in India. It also makes it closer to Proto Indo-European then modern Greek does. so, I guess, the distant kinship between Mycenaean Greek and Sanskrit is more apparent then that which exists in their modern descendants.

I think Mycenaean w and y presumably were glided sound like Avestan, then if we have V(w y)V-like cluster which appear having long quality at a preceding vowel in later form that still don’t have any long vowel but V(ʊ̯.ʊ̯ ɪ̯.ɪ̯)V

Great video duo thanks.

Hmm, where does this Mycaenean Greek version of Iliad comes from?

like it a lot better than your "the sound of Mycenaean Greek" from a few years back. Would it be possible for you to reference your sources for reconstructed languages? I'm curious about some of them. Thanks!

Amazing! Andy, can you please make the language of Romania, Chad, Monaco, Indonesia, and Poland?😊

Please the modern Greek and either of those two.

@someinteresting

Ай бұрын

It is fascinating who for example they had gwola and lo and behold 3500 years later it is vuli.

Awesome

Hello Andy!!! I just wanted to ask do you need a volunteer for Marathi language or yout already have Regards,

@InvisibleEditz69

2 ай бұрын

If so I will try to find if I can will volunteer myself

@brian0902

Ай бұрын

In her video descriptions she has her business email you can email her and ask she is always open to people asking her and seeing what videos can be made

古希臘字母很有趣，感覺像是象形文字，但是為什麼到最後沒有發展成像中文一樣的語素文字而是變成拼音文字呢？

@guozak7179

2 ай бұрын

腓尼基人發明的字母表改變了進程

@hugocheng6243

2 ай бұрын

@@guozak7179 簡潔有力的回答，感謝👍

@andreaanaxandron9890

Ай бұрын

Also because by the year 1000 a.C. the Mycenaean civilization collapsed entirely and the written form of the Greek language disappeared completely for two centuries. Basically the Greeks forgot about their old alphabet and, as the other comment says, got a new one from the Phoenicians

@chrisg.k487

Ай бұрын

Οι Έλληνες δεν είχαν ποτέ αμιγώς δική τους γραφή. Εισήγαγαν την Μινωική Γραμμική Α από τους Μινωίτες. Η υπόθεση της γραφής ήταν προνόμιο των γραφέων εκείνη την περίοδο. Χρησιμοποιούνταν μόνο για την λογιστική καταγραφή των αγαθών που συγκέντρωνε ο φεουδάρχης κυβερνήτης. Αντιστοίχως όπως στην δυναστεία των Σανγκ έχουμε μόνο τα χρησμαδοτικα οστά. Η γραμμική Α ήταν συλλαβική γραφή όπως τα κινέζικα. Κάθε σύμβολο εξέφραζε μια συλλαβή ή μια λέξη. Μετά την κατάρευση του Μυκηναϊκού κόσμου η γραμμική β χάθηκε. Οι Έλληνες εισήγαγαν την φοινικική γραφή και το φοινικικό αλφάβητο. Ήταν πιο απλό και πιο εύκολο στην χρήση.

@xiuhcoatl4830

Ай бұрын

Because Lineral B alphabet disappeared for centuries, known as the greek dark age, where most culture and writting regressed and disappeared.

Mycenaean sounds so different yet so close.

Mycenean sounds a lot like Latin

@sido12ification

Ай бұрын

Back then, indo-European languages hadn’t diverged from each other that much yet, so they were all relatively more similar.

Nice!!

Cool video! Just a tip: the "Ancient Greek" part should really be called Homeric Greek, as the language of the Odyssey and Iliad is a mash-up of different dialects and time periods. It was never spoken in any one place at any one time. The language that people usually associate with "Ancient" Greek is Classical (usually Attic), which comes way after, so that might cause some confusion. Also, the "Mycenaean Greek" you've got there is Linear B. While it's true that it was used in Mycenaean Greece pre-Bronze Age Collapse, around the time the Iliad and the Odyssey are set in, the modern telling of The Iliad--neat and cleanly divided, with all its recognizable parts--wasn't really a thing until literacy came back around the 8th century BCE. The fragments of Linear B that we do have is mostly economic records and stuff.

I do hear a mention of Atreides. Oh yeah, Atreides referred to the descendants of Greek mythical figure Atreus.

Ancient Greek vs Vedic Sanskrit

andy please can yoy do the central american spanish accent please like guatemala el salvador honduras nicaragua.......

I love this language i don't know why

What does it sound like?

Wow it’s beautiful Greek Language you got here Andy 🤩🫡🇬🇷

Andy, what is the font you use on your videos?

@quostad

Ай бұрын

The one for the latin script

@ilovelanguages0124

Ай бұрын

Hi! Mostly Gill Sans MT & Cambria Math.

I would love a video comparing Mycenaean Greek to Vedic Sanskrit. These will be two Indo European languages from the bronze age.

what is this writing?? :o

Make a video on kodava language and the accents of kannada please😊😊

@ilovelanguages0124

2 ай бұрын

I need a volunteer for Kodava. Do you speak it? :)

@Yashodharpoornima2514

Ай бұрын

No,but I speak the mangalorean accent of kannada but try to find a speaker kodava language I"ll try to do my best ☺☺☺

Request: Dutch and Japanese

Ου = ow, ū or ō Ει = ē or ej

Next: Ancient Greek & Modern Greek

Сделайте пожалуйста Кумыкский и Турецский третий раз прощу

Why does mycenaen look like runic lettering?

@Tephrinos

2 ай бұрын

Linear B, not an alphabet.

@supermavro6072

2 ай бұрын

they are phonecians

@Tephrinos

Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 you spam nonsense under every video about Greeks, is your dad Greek or something?

Do you want Minoan vs Mycenaean language?

Damn I don't understand his words ancient Greeks and greek mythology language I'm Greeks but neither a words I don't understand, only I'm speak Greek modern

🇦🇱🏛️🙏

ZEUS BLESS GREECE!

@supermavro6072

2 ай бұрын

drop the pipe bro

@MrAllmightyCornholioz

2 ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 ????

@ylliriaalbania326

Ай бұрын

​@MrAllmightyCornholioz😂😂😂

@utvpoop

Ай бұрын

Zeus vult!

@philomelodia

Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 you do know that the old God still have worshipers, don’t you? Some claim never to have stopped worshiping them although in secret. Now, there’s an entire movement.

Can you make German vs Austrian German language please?

You reconstruct "enea" for nine in mycenian (which seems to come from *enew.n) however there are intervocalic w's in the reconstruted Iliad forms ?

Interlingua IALA pls

Mycenaean?

@CoconutPanels

Ай бұрын

The Greeks, but even more ancient.

greek is good the greece and sea ancients

can you do turkish greek, egyptian greek and arabic greek ?

@babyloniii

Ай бұрын

what

@supermavro6072

Ай бұрын

@@babyloniii slavic greek, arvanite/albanian greek, georgian/ponto greek, anatolian/trazbon greek....what the heII is greek ?

@ylliriaalbania326

Ай бұрын

​@@supermavro6072👏👏👏

@Tephrinos

Ай бұрын

He should do a video about Albanian and Caucasian languages since Albanians come from Azerbaijan.

@chrisg.k487

Ай бұрын

​@@supermavro6072Ξύδι. ..

Soqotri language, please

As a Greek its good to see that I understand a lot of what is in the texts. However, the pronunciation of the words is not accurate at all.

@GWENDOLYNMUSICofficial

2 ай бұрын

Η προφορά τέλεια είναι! Θέλω να θυμόμαστε ότι η γλώσσα αυτή είναι εκατοντάδες ακόμα και χιλιάδες χρόνων! Ότι εμείς την μαθαίνουμε με την δικιά μας προφορά δεν σημαίνει ότι ήταν έτσι! Ήτανε πιο κοντά στα πρώτο ινδοευρωπαϊκά! Την γλώσσα που γέννησε την Ελληνική μας την γλώσσα!

@gnas1897

2 ай бұрын

​@@GWENDOLYNMUSICofficial Συμφωνώ, αλλά η ερασμιακή προφορά είναι λάθος.

@mercianthane2503

2 ай бұрын

Well it is ancient greek and mycenaean greek, obviously will be different pronunciation

@labasurasesacasiempre

2 ай бұрын

​@@gnas1897 That's not erasmian! Erasmian is wrong but this is not at all the erasmian pronunciation, it's the one developped by Allen, which is a modern linguist who did a good research about the speech of ancient people. Stop thinking all is erasmian as an excuse to not accept that your language changed its pronunciation.

@gnas1897

2 ай бұрын

@@labasurasesacasiempre I'm not denying that the pronunciation changed...