In Scandinavia we dont use knifes to baton, we use hatches for that. Knifes are for lighter use, hatches for heavier use, they are paired together. People need to stop buying Sacndi knifes believing them to be survival knifes, they are not.

@DaroriDerEinzige

3 жыл бұрын

Nowhere you use a Knife to Baton if you aren't in an absolute emergency Situation. Sure, in the Military you get this told to be aware that you can use your knife for that and so on - But in those "Classes" you get also alot of other Stuff told you wouldn't usual consider as an option and which aren't meant to be "normal options"/"Options you use if you actually don't go in, stay alive, do your job, stay alive, go out.".

@CandidZulu

Жыл бұрын

I agree, old people here laugh at bushcrafters who baton knifes. Sure making kindling from smaller pieces is OK, but even fixed blade knifes can brake from batoning (loose handles). First thing in learning a new craft is understanding what tool to use. Even Kephart stated that rifles and axes are more important than knifes.

@markfung5654

6 ай бұрын

Thank you Daginn. It's getting to the point where if you can't baton with it then it's regarded as a shit knife. I just think FFS it's a knife not a freakin axe.

@theblackneon5396

6 ай бұрын

Americans are obsessed with batoning their knives.

@daginn896

6 ай бұрын

@@theblackneon5396 Such a weird phenomena.

Thank you for the review! Being a Norwegian, I think I can add a thing or two to it. First, about the Scandinavian tradition of knives: Wood around here is often slow growing, bent and knotty. So except for in the far north, where trees won't get tall but grows into thickiets, you won't get far with using a knife for chopping or batoning. Instead you'll grab for an axe. So practical tradition says you'll more or less always have at least a hatchet nearby. That makes the knives into axe companions, light EDC knives you'll use for food, fishing whiddling and so on. And that's their value even today. Weather is also damp here, the Atlantic Ocean regularly blows in over us, so we fell into a tradition of stainless steel as far as it is practical. Helle knives meant to be used near (or at) the sea are all stainless, while the rest are triple laminated. Many bushcafters also want for sharpened corners on the back edge of their knives, but when whiddling you often put your thumb there to help force the knife and don't want to cut the skin so it's no good place to have sharp edges on your knife. (Personally, I use the back end of a saw blade insted.) As far as why they keep the small, family owned company I kind of understand them. Control, the ability to be proud of what they do and the need for being a small, close-knit group where the chat goes freely wins over the need to grow "big". Quality of life is not all about money or might. Hope that answers some questions.

@D45VR

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for these useful details and the wisdom of using the right tool for the job and for your particular environment.

@blueduck9409

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your insight.

@jiriludvik7955

2 жыл бұрын

Mám spoustu nožů, ale Helle jsou nejkrásnější nože! Už žádné jiné nechci, je to srdcovka ❤🙂😇

@TheStreamingEnderman

2 жыл бұрын

Wise words, friend!

@CandidZulu

Жыл бұрын

Curly Birch is a genetic defect on the Silver Birch that causes the stem to twist and make bulbous large knots. This is not suitable for axe handles.

I've had the Harding for over 25 years. Beautiful knife. The knife has processed many deer and been at my side for camp chores and I've only had to sharpen it once. I touch up the edge once every 2-3 years. I'm definitely sold on their steel. I'm building a blade blank from Helle for my son's Boy Scout Eagle rank.

I've had a Helle "Tollekniv" for years. You can feel the quality straight away. It has kept a good edge and has taken plenty of abuse. I don't know if it was a mistake or a freeby, but, they sent me a Harding blade blank in with my order..? I had a piece of 5,000 year old irish bog oak which I hand carved a one piece handle from, and then in-layed some 10,000 mammoth tusk ivory.. I am extremely pleased with the outcome.

I'm a knife junkie. Have many. But the Helle Viking / Saga Siglar - named after the viking ship Ragnar Thorseth built and sailed around the world are "my precious". All knifes from Helle are worth every dollar. It's about 30 year now and i never leave home without it. Short blade version 8,5 cm. I'v got it from my father after he go to Valhalla.

@BUILT2KEEL

Жыл бұрын

Marttiini knives are my dream knives similar style to these i have a couple, a knife has to be just as good looking as it is useful

I read in another video a comment made by a guy from Finland. He said the Skandi grind was never a buschraft grind, that their ancestors used that grind for everything from war to kitchen to field dressing and companies today use that term for advertising purposes but according to him the grind is used for everything. I dont know how true it is but I believe him. Another thing is that I have no clue who came with the stupid idea of batoning !!! Use a hatchet! A knife is to cut, slice and stab. People have been using axes for thousands of years and never had an issue and here we come modern humans trying to change a proven tool like a knife and hammer it ! Thank you for the review, my favorite is the Viking. You can get a glossy knife anywhere but that Viking just screams "use me".

@matusg914

6 жыл бұрын

Js Dubon knives are not for stabbing why don't you use bayonet?

@fuzzlenuff

6 жыл бұрын

I too use a hatchet to split wood.

@7wildernessSpecialist

5 жыл бұрын

Batoning is blasphemy. Its only use is if you were in a critical situation and didn't have an axe. But I always have one of my axes moreso than my knives.

@ColoradoStreaming

5 жыл бұрын

@@7wildernessSpecialist It depends on the Knife. I have a Khukri that is riveted and full tang and it can chop and split wood very effectively by batoning. On the other hand, I would never use a folding knife or a smaller fixed knife for this.

@aukusti3761

5 жыл бұрын

Js Dubon actualy in finland the word puukko means knofe in english we have always used that type of knife for everything

I wouldn't call this a review, its more of an unboxing. The main thing a review needs that I'm not hearing or seeing is the actual use - show it in action and how it re-sharpens and all that. this was a lot of eye candy, and these knives are beautiful. Thanks for the video

I have owned a Helle and Brusletto for many years and have put them through a living knife hell, neither have failed me and it adds an element of enjoyment to use a beautiful functional blade in the outdoors.

@mrerickk

5 ай бұрын

me to

I own a few Helle knives as well and would have to agree that most of them are not good "bushcraft" knives. But they are good for use on a farm, harbor, skinning game, light camp chores, carving, green wood work, etc. It's hard for some people to realize that not all knives are bushcraft knives. Nice video.

@locoriders2534

6 жыл бұрын

Autism Family but what is a "bushcraft knife"

@daginn896

6 жыл бұрын

I think we in Scandinavia and you guys have different concepts of bushcrafting. Here we use knifes as slicing and cutting tools, while we use axes as choppers. We do not baton with knifes...its almost considered blasphemy. Helle knifes makes very good knifes for slicing and cutting wood, but you should not baton with them, nor should you shop with them, not even the fulltangs. Scandigrinds are not for that, axes are for that. What you might consider a bushcraft knife, we consider a survival knife...which is a lesser compromise of an knife - axe combo. Ps: Sorry for my bad English :)

@HrHaakon

6 жыл бұрын

There is the Sami knife though. That thing is half axe, half knife. But yes, I'd not use a normal knife to chop with.

@AMpufnstuf

Жыл бұрын

@@daginn896 A Scandi grind and an axe grind aren't so different compared to the wide range of goofy knives sold in America. If it weren't for the cost I would gladly baton with their full tang knives. But at least here, the cost makes them a specialty tool.

I have a Helle Gaupe. After much time I have found only one major negative. And, that is they are too darned gorgeous to actually use on anything other than very light duty, like cutting string, etc. They can certainly handle everyday usage, I just can't bring myself to mark that perfect blade. I got a Helle after seeing Glenn, on Life Below Zero, use his to skin a moose. I figured if that knife is good enough for him to use in the wilderness, it'd be good enough for me. And, it is. I just highly underestimated how beautiful these knifes are.

@D45VR

6 жыл бұрын

in the old days swords & guns were very beautiful too... but they were also used without hesitation...

@metometo7792

5 жыл бұрын

True, but in the old days, one sword and gun was probably all they had. That had to use them.

@AMpufnstuf

Жыл бұрын

If you've got money for a good knife I agree, there's no reason not to have $20-$30 for a Mora that's more designed and priced for woodcarving anyway. I'd hate to use a knife that nice on woodcarving routinely, knowing eventually I'll be losing steel with resharpening. I view pretty much 80% of their lineup as being deluxe hunter's knives. Not an insult, they're beautiful. Definitely one to buy in person though, as the aesthetics of curly birch/karelian birch can vary from very average to very unique.

At the start it looks like you are having trouble putting the Lapplander back in its sheath. Always squeeze the mouth of the Sami style sheath flat and that will make room for the blade without damaging the leather.

Nice overall reviwe. 1st time hearing of this Co. Thanks

Karesuando make an absolutely beautiful little hatchet with a curly birch handle.

Thank you for the video, I had to watch it. Helle has added some bushcraft knives to their assortment since this review, on the slightly shorter side of the scale. (I'm looking at the Temagami so far.) The Lappland knives, since they are rat-tail, aren't made for heavy batoning. But in the northern areas these knives were made for trees don't grow tall so you've got large areas of tall bushes instead. So it's a mini machete, as well as for cutting the wood they have access to. And many other tasks. They traditionally use two other knives, though. A normal sized utility knife and a mini knife for marking and detail work. It works as a set of three, but it's their large knife that's gotten attention, with it being so unique.

@7wildernessSpecialist

5 жыл бұрын

This is untrue. We use axes in Sweden. Knives are for carving.

Im pretty sure curly birch is not a separate tree species but a wood formation that can occur on birch trees.

@AMpufnstuf

Жыл бұрын

I'm late but you are correct. It's not usually burl wood either, it's just a name given to a popular mutation of silver birch trees found typically around Nordic countries. I don't know if people find it or clone it and grow it in most of Europe, they don't seem to do it much. But it is not it's own species or subspecies.

The great Bushcraft Sisyphus does knives! A man with fine taste as always.

13:08 " You could do some batoning with that but it's too beautiful, if you want to chop stuff there are tools for that".....YEAH AXES

im 68 years old,i love knives all my life since i was an apprentice butcher had my eye on these for a long time, well i will have to have one

@jiriludvik7955

2 жыл бұрын

Ano, je to nejkrásnější panenka pro chlapa...🙂🙂

Enjoyed the video keep up the good work very nice

Good video and great collection

I also have the Harding, such a great knife.

I'm like a girl in a handbag store. 👜 I want them all.

Great review. Thank you

Excellent video my friend,i have a collection of Scandi knives eg.Helle Mora martini Eka Falknivens but I carry the Helle Alden everywhere.I use it for field dressing Deer and other game.It is the sharpest knife out of the box or tube lol.Stay safe.

Fantastic knives. Art, quality and usability in one. 👍

Excellent video my friend,yiu left out the Helle eggen in the closing shots,and you don't mention the Helle Alden at all.Big Scandi knives fan,stay safe.

Got no idea on the out jacket steel, but I believe the core is 12c27

I have never owned a Helle but planning to buy. They make beautiful functional knives and still made in Norway. It’s important to support the brands actually still being made in Norway, Sweden and Finland to keep the 1000 year old Scandinavian knife making heritage alive. I believe the a lot of European knife makers bought their steel from Sweden which has a very old iron and steel making history with some of the best ore in the world. The technique of sandwiching a hard carbon steel between softer steel sides was very common in Sweden in the 1800s and later. Frost, KJ Eriksson and other Mora factories used to make their blades like this for over a 100 years. Morakniv still makes some of their wood carving knives with those blades.

@tor2919

Жыл бұрын

People need to realise that many brands that used to be made in Scandinavia, like EKA, aren’t any longer. Neither are newer brands like Fallkniven or Casström. They are designed and sometimes assembled in Sweden. Always look out for brands that actually say “Made in Norway” “made in Sweden” or “made in Finland”. Means the knives are actually made there and should be supported.

Really enjoyed, and learned from, your video.

Thanks for this review! I know batoning is all the rage these days but being of Norwegian/Scottish decent and growing up in the woods of Canada I was always taught to have a hatchet and/or axe depending on the situation (I am in my 50’s and I realize things change ... a lot). I get that you may be in an emergency and need to baton wood but do people buy knives in the US specifically to baton? Seems like your putting you knife through a lot of added wear and tear ... and in the end you may regret it. By the way Helle knives are awesome ... but I am biased 😉 (like Buck knives too)

Just getting into scandi knives really considering getting a helle as my next purchase I'm just in love with that triple laminate: )

Curly birch is used a lot in hatchet handles . Karensando uses it alot

Great video! I just want to point out, there is no "A" in Helle, and it is pronounced straight forward. As in Helen, without the "N".

Growing up a knife has always been a companion to a hatchet. The knife is always on you but the hatchet is always near by. Batoning is a fools game, you're better off whittling wooden wedges for splitting if your hatchet isn't near by for some crazy reason. Honestly I've never really needed to split wood for a fire outside the Wood stove.

I have an extensive knife collection and would like a Helle that would be a great one and done knife to represent the brand in it Which one would you suggest in say a medium price range

There is a reason, that most axe handles, are made either from Hickory or Ash! An axe handle has to have springiness if that word exists.. So, the wood being only tough, or strong, isn't enough, it has to have all those characteristics.

Amazing knives. Amazingly expensive, and amazingly difficult to find for sale.

hi what is the exactly the model of first helle knive? Helle GT and ? Asking cuz cannot fint it. Thanks

@FouriousBear

3 жыл бұрын

eggen ,,,I got it :D

Technically the sheathes are not hand sewn. There are videos of Helle workers using health sewing machines on the sheathes. Glad you pointed out Helle's are not ideal for batoning. With our obsession with batoning with every knife here in the US we see some pretty silly things. I know it it later than your video but there is one reviewer out there claiming you can baton with the new Mandra. Why would you want to with such a short knife?

only do batoning if absolutely necessary

@juicy8268

5 жыл бұрын

Mr.Potato Head not on all knives I’d never baton with a helle But something like a fallkniven or a larger knife I would

@7wildernessSpecialist

5 жыл бұрын

Well said Mr.Potato head. Batoning is ridiculous, use an axe. Never a knife unless you're in dire straits.

Just got a HELLE GT and love it. BUT, I may have a professional engrave rifle checkering on the handle for a more secure grip. It will replace my Gerber Parabellum lock blade for skinning and boneing deer and elk. Love the blade and nice handle. The sheath is also very well made of top grain leather. Plus the stitching is protected by a middle strip of leather between the sheath layers. BTW, that DOKA lock blade knife is yet another HELLE knife I'd like to have. I see your short camp axe in the background. I have one very much like it from Council Tool (USA) called the Woodcraft Pack Axe. Excellent steel with a hardened poll for driving steel stakes or smaller splitting wedges. About the same price as a Gransfors Swedish pack axe. Ya want quality ya gotta pay for it.

They use axes for heavy bushcraft. They don't try to force knives to be choppers.

AHHH!! The Lappland! I NEED that knife! Great video review lonecone.com ... Are these on the website yet?

@lonecone1322

7 жыл бұрын

Everyone in America needs a Lappland. It is known.

@spudd78

7 жыл бұрын

If you like the lappland you should take a look at the knivsmed strømeng knives. They are an old knife company from Norway that only makes Lappland style knives. Very very nice knives, i have 2 ov them my self. samekniv.no/english/

Birch would be too soft for a hatchet/axe handle but you could take either a new or used Estwing hatchet and remove the stacked leather and replace with Birch, leather and antler if you would like.

@matusg914

6 жыл бұрын

Karesuando hunting hatchet

@jamesiii5382

6 жыл бұрын

I was just going to say the same they are amazing looking www.bushcraftcanada.com/products/detail.cfm?product=2105

Can I use them as a daily cooking knife at home?

I want to get the dokka and viking.

@MaximumFatness

4 жыл бұрын

I have both of those. They're fantastic!! The Viking handle is kind of a little small though

Bought one. Now I’m watching reviews. Always doing it backward.

Very nice indeed

I have the eggen great knife !

I lost mine. Buying another. I had the older model with the name stamped into the blade. The sheath withstood years of use in wet weather.

Great knives.

Love my Hella GT!

I met someone who owns and loves a few of these knives. He only uses it for skinning and food prep, also light chores. It isn't supposed to be a baton knife, or one that you can stick in a tree and use as a step! In its scope, it is perfect. Listen to the review. Having a nice knife like this for specialized work is great. Get your Busse, Bark River, Cold Steel, for the choppers and "hell" knives! Beautiful knives, great review.

@larsrunehaugland5738

7 жыл бұрын

Helle knives can be used for anything, in my experience. i own a lot of different knives, and use them for everything. Only bladesteel and hardening that can make or breake a knife, whatever the make of the knife.

U can make a hatchet handle outta curly birch....and it has ben done.....I've made hatchet handle outta pine/ spruce and birch and have used them no problem on small light little hatchets and will continue to experiment with soft light woods on hatchets

is there a 90 degree spine

@Lazydog150

3 жыл бұрын

I have the GT & Utvaer. Both have 90Deg spines.

Pronounced Hell la and yes beautiful awesome knives

3:14 was that the crack or a hair?

I take 2 knives out into the field.I have the largest helle . I also have an esee 5.

Oops, you said the taboo word, This video is a Baton-splainers paradise lol. Relax folks, it turns out some people like batonning, it’s not just a last ditch survival technique only to be used as you’re bleeding out, and knives don’t explode upon contact. It’s an easy, safe and efficient method of processing kindling and small sticks. Most people paying $150+ for a camping tool will be able to determine the appropriate limits for said tool, and equipment damage, accidents and injuries can occur even when using tools for their “intended” purposes. The only sure fire prevention method is to stay behind your keyboard or phone.

Not all Helle Knives are triple laminated and not all Helle Knives are Scandi grind

Хорошие ножи. Но для нас дороговато.

@jiriludvik7955

2 жыл бұрын

Vy máte také dobré nože kyzliar, zlatoust, armádni nože, Helle patří k nejkrásnějším a za ty peníze, to opravdu stojí za to !!🙂❤__Helle

What does EDC stand for ?

@Lazydog150

3 жыл бұрын

EDC = Every Day Carry ie a tool you use regularly.

Sandvik is the only stainless I like .

You have a looot of Helle knives. For me is unfortunately just a dream to have one 😔

@jiriludvik7955

2 жыл бұрын

Sny se mají plnit, doporučuji nový Helle Utvaer ❤

@vladimirvukadinovic5974

2 жыл бұрын

@@jiriludvik7955 it's hard to understand over google translation but I think that i understand. DREAMS WILL BECOME TRUE, I RECOMMEND YOU HELLE UTVAER!

@vladimirvukadinovic5974

2 жыл бұрын

@@jiriludvik7955 I just saw Utvaer. It's unbelievable amazing...

did you say Boise as in Idaho I'm in CDA

Окей.

These are fabulous knives I have one had it for years got it from my Aunt when my uncle died and it’s great and razor sharp,me I am a fly fisherman from Scotland and I just do a lot and lot of fishing I use it for most things and has never from failed me but I use a small axe or hatchet when I am chopping wood but like most things from Scandinavia and Germany yes expensive but the quality is second to none not like the stuff coming out of China most of it is absolute garbage .

Im from norge

Check out their KZread channel to see how they pronounce Helle, it takes a few seconds to learn . it's Hellah,,

@whengrapespop5728

4 жыл бұрын

John Waddington It’s “Hell” with a Spanish “L” sound, followed by “leh”. Hell-leh (Spanish L’s)

Well, I just received a replacement for the helle skog I first returned this past week, with the worst mismatched scandi grind I've ever seen out of the box. The replacement is slightly better, making it the 2nd worst grind of any knife I've ever purchased. The two different angles of each side of the blade so obviously off at the crooked tip it's ridiculous. Never have I received two knives that so badly needed to be re-profiled new right from the box. Yes, I considered fixing them, but I have better things to do with my time than fix a brand new knife due to a lack of quality control. Back they go.

@greekveteran2715

2 жыл бұрын

Quality goes down on everything these days. From handtools to electronics and so on. It's us humans, the real reason this has happened. We first lost our quality as human beings. There is no love in the world anymore, along with love, we lost all the other virtues, that follow... We live the Apocalypse, the signs we see, are described with every detail, so that we would realize, when the time comes... and time has come. Unfortukately, people even if they have studied the Bible, the versions of the Bibles someone can find nowdays, do not contain the original script. Me and many others, have done a serious investigation on this matter. Truth is hidden from people, for the obvious reason and purpose. I can't say more about this subject, whoever wants to find the truth, has to search on his own and he/she, has to search a lot and on the right place, and that's not the internet. God bless you all !

Making Helle knives. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mpWYydKinpmyg7g.html

Helle Knifes look amazing, but the steel they use is soft. and they're not really full tang. just don't see them holding up to serious heavy tasks. no offense.

You call that a fire😮

OK, am I the only one to notice the poor edge on the Eggen, along with the hairline crack, and the jagged grind job?! That looks very bad, and I would be sending that back!!! Have a look at about 3:03 to 3:09 or so in this video!!

@charliebrowne562

7 жыл бұрын

Chippy Tucker that's not a crack it's just a mark also those lines on the grind are meant to be there because they use triple laminated steel in this order stainless steel carbon steel stainless steel and it's the carbon steel in the middle that are making the impression of a bad job

@grumpyoldwizard

7 жыл бұрын

Chippy Tucker Its a laminate. When you laminate steels together you end up with lines. If you look at the line carefully it extends to the handle. This is a layer, not a crack, though I thought "holy crap" when I first saw it. The orientation is a bit odd. I have a few laminated blades and the line usually runs a few centimeters above the grind, not across it.

@Airik1111bibles

7 жыл бұрын

Average Joe Exactly, that layer job is horrible also putting your own grind or just plain wear and tare will not look good after awhile. I've never owned a laminated blade IMHO it really doesn't make any sense to do this to a knife. You have different steels that are going to wear out differently which would be a constant pain in the butt when honing your edge....I'm probably missing something since I dont own one or have much knowledge about the stuff but my gut tells me to stay away from laminated steel.

@ronniemorris9685

7 жыл бұрын

Airik1111, they've been making their knives for a LONG time, and, know what they're doing. I have a triple laminated blade, and, it's gorgeous, and, makes perfect sense for these knives. The cutting edge takes a great, razor sharp edge, that lasts a long time, while the rest of the blade that surrounds that sharp edge, keeps the entire blade in a great, usable , hopefully, unbreakable, status. Put your hands on one, and, you'll see what I'm talking about.

@Masterfighterx

6 жыл бұрын

I see a dark line near the tip and the dark stuff at the heel, seems like ''dirt'', if it's not that, then I've no idea. What are you guys talking about bad layering? The line of the 2 steels meeting usually runs (depending on knife size) pretty close along the edge.. The vertical lines are from the grinding..

They look like a knockoff of a (bar tang) Mora... At about 2:10 when he lifts the knife with his bare finger... most of my knives would have cut flesh... (not a good sales technique)...

@evanrosser3038

4 жыл бұрын

They arent knock off at all...simply a different Scandinavian countries knives

I heard they’re shit knives poor construction, openings for water to ruin.

You got the pronunciation wrong. If you're going to do a vid, for Gods sake get it right.

Terrible quality control. After returning one defective Helle Utvaer, I received a second, defective replacement knife. Shoddy workmanship and non-existent post sales support. Posted pics to their Facebook page and they blocked me!

@colliedogjoy

6 жыл бұрын

That's weird - I messaged them on FB with a few photos and they sent me a new knife!?

Makes me wanna puke! Go with a Mora folks.

@isaknils1220

3 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding me? Mora is rubbish compared to helle! I live in northen Norway an i use knifes alot! And helle is super quality knifes, mora is just cheap pies of shitt compared to helle. I've broken and chipped more mora knifes than i can count, yes there sharp when new, butt won't be for a very long time, getts dull easily. Butt they are cheap, and you get what you pay for. A helle knife is going to stay sharp for a very long time, and do not break as easily as a cheap mora knife. Believe me when i say mora is shitt, i know knifes, and i require quality in knifes.