Yes, this is a reupload. I wanted a version with higher audio quality. I’ll still leave the previous video up, but as unlisted, so as to not break any external links with it. Sorry about any inconvenience!

@mugsofmirth8101

9 ай бұрын

Higher audio quality is NEVER an inconvenience! Thank you. 👍

@philosophy_schilling

3 ай бұрын

We really appreciate this! Thank you.

I love how slowly and clearly Magee speaks

@williametheridge1764

Ай бұрын

agreed, distills essence of H. So as he says, why was H so unclear

@plausible_dinosaur

17 күн бұрын

@@williametheridge1764 'you can read page after page of Hegel and think 'what the hell is going on'... that was the highlight for me.

What a mature discussion; enjoyable to the max

A young Peter Singer!

This is a gem, thank you for uploading!

Great interview 👍 thanks

I really enjoyed this, and I think peter singer gives an excellent and easy to understand overview of Hegel. I don’t much care for Hegel though. I don’t think his “geist” or world spirit or “World Mind” or whatever you want to call it is particularly rational. It is, in my view, inescapably spiritual, and I don’t do spiritual.

great discussion

This was an intense discussion. Peter Singer got so deep in thought that he forgot to take his coat off.

Thanks. It was a good breakdown of concepts. Around 13:24, Singer feels it is best not to look at Hegel as religious ( though he was, as was he using philosophically remixing the religious term spirit ). That is like saying I wouldn't look at Marx as once being a Helgalian, as that might confuse you! If anything, Marx negated Hegel in quest of a new synthesis as the application of the concept.

@briandzwoniarek8952

2 ай бұрын

But isn't that because so much of what we do mimics religious practices. Marriage ceremony, birthday celebrations, fasting, meditation, sacrifice etc. We use rituals, traditions and sacraments to express ourselves. Culture is intertwined with religion and can't really be sliced away from it. Spinoza, has been called out recently for not actually being a panthiest. Because he didn't worship the *whole* in a spiritual manner. Though it was impossible for spinoza to describe pantheism without his philosophy sounding spiritual. To sum it up, language has its limitations and hegal had no choice but to sound spiritual, though singer believes hegal tried to remove/distance his works from religion. I maybe totally off though, idk.

Peter Singer misses an opportunity to discuss the connection of Hegel's ideas to various spiritual traditions by interpreting Magee's question about "spirituality/religion" to mean only Christianity. But interesting discussion! I like the idea of not destroying/starting over, but working with what you have as a foundation and evolving from that. It's a kinder way to look at self-development as well. You might want to "start over" and go back in time and do things again in an individual life, but you would be giving up the wisdom gained from life-as-it-has-been.

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the dialectics of solve et coagula

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Hegel's ultimate geist is the awakened, non-duel state of mind, and/or minds of human societies collectively

@philosophy_schilling

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelmcclure3383 and @capgrid you make really good points. The seed of unity is timeless for Hegel, but not its realization. I agree he discounts the more fuller realization of unity in ancient and indigenous wisdom. The Upanishads speak a great deal about unity/non-duality/and so I suppose non-duel-ity.

@philosophy_schilling

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelmcclure3383 Really great thoughts - thanks for sharing. I think that any kind of meta-narrative (which is what I would argue Hegel is doing) has some kind of imaginative element that rationalizes/justifies/explains, and that can be problematic when it is something in history, and it is always probably a bit imaginative/creative. The timelessness though, to me, is the potential that is always there, the inclination toward a rational freedom in an individual/peoples/nation/State. regardless of the extent to which it is manifest or realized. For instance, in many spiritual traditions, the soul is eternal and timeless, even though an individual might not connect with theirs in a particular lifetime to a significant degree. But the timeless element is still there within them.

@briandzwoniarek8952

2 ай бұрын

The dialectical process would lead us from individuals in a small tribe, family, etc.. to a plantary system of billions working together like bees for a collective goal? Would that be sustainable?

I appreciate the introduction to Hegel. I am surprised that an introduction to Marx did not get to class consciousness. The closest was the mention of “servility” - which is a far cry from “exploitation.”

Two great quotes, together. Both dead right. BM: now why wasn't he clear when it's possible to be clear about his ideas as you indeed in your book have shown PS: some of his less charitable critics thought that he was deliberately obscure in order to appear more profound in order to cover what they took to be the shallowness of his ideas.

He reminds me of Borat.

His name was Bryan Mageee...

Is this Cheech Marin doing a bit?

@JoshMiller-kv6ge

7 ай бұрын

Jennifer lampretch to our boy Killian, current events had led to my conclusion of unknown intelligence agencies collusion in government affairs. Plans to utilize geographic projection of god like will to power, spearheading prophecy as a means of last ditch attempt at government expansionism, Ethier religious, or "National socialist" to flow the water of the state with long unused complexes. The question of the shadow of nationalism apply? Furthermore creation of a demagogue would be established and the organ of the collective psyche smiting any opposing foe. (Complex's are the psychological equivalent of vegetative biological systems ) Possible relatives of royal, masionic, security affairs may currently be involved from the great white north, down to the deep south in Grand strategy's of U.S. cultural domination across much of Nato and the U.N even as far as to say utilizing the new collective consciousness for U.S military deployment into China and possibly Europe marching in on the beat of demagogue. Sleeper cells lay dorment among select families of security related social institutions Fabricated by specifically triggering emotional ques of the "self preservative function" , even so far as creation of new unheard-of unconscious complex's, Hence traumatic advents of violence is utilized in changing behaviour of the sleeper, challenging natural instincts and the sleepers immediate actions. All stages of infant and adolescent trauma programs and adapts action, in recall cases borderline or psychotic tendencies are prevalent. ( big for Jennifer lampretchs satanic ritual abuse ) In cases of extreme early preadolescent trauma, satanic ritual abuse , alien abduction is reported by sleepers and patients. The sleepers possess cardinal traits established to provide accurate results in attaining goals. Mobilization of sleepers is enacted through the use of crude graffiti to be communicated commands for other agents or actors in national or religious state control. Affecting sleepers lives. Mythology and prophecy can be used in cultural and military service doctrine , although complicated to implement, the individual who plays this drum " must be unaware " , awakening to his role ruins authentic behaviour. The long drawn out process allows for unconscious actors to play pianist of the public's inferior function. Once the unconscious actors are in position in the public domain , "the god like will to power" is enacted amongst the populous, it's impact flood long since dormant volcano of cultural complex's across Europe, Russia and China striking the fear of God into the hearts of combatants. These threats of Unite States religious " will to power supremacy" , "global projection "and agents aka actors unconscious "pianist of the demagogue", in the form of an all encompassing "savoir ", is not just isolated to team A or B and split both down the middle. Urgency in addressing, Senate committees and cabinet board of trustees. Remember the Pheonix the publics revolution is the godfathers strength, the four richest families who lurch in the background. Also to Suzanne whom may concern might have been paid in affecting her sons action using serve trauma to the point of self suicide. Causing his awaking. I LOVE YOU JENNIFER AND OUR BOY KILLIAN!!!! wrote this for them taking our sun and splitting us up. Hope the burn ❤️‍🔥 .

@barbaraferron7994

10 күн бұрын

And Why does the guy in the thumbnail Mr Singer, look like Groucho Marx?

Groucho Marx speaks on Carl Marx?

Bryan Magee is GOLD!! Politely, ever so, reminding us Hegel was a garrulous, wordy monumental scribe dispensing the bleeding obvious [life is change, we can learn from history] but then draping it with the absurd she'll be right, neo-Christian teleological notion of inevitable Progress of Geist through dialectical resolution of warring contradictions, masters / slaves, thesis / antithesis, alienation, towards harmony and freedom. When all shall be one and all manner of things shall be one. TSE? Which model is not just nonsense but dangerous because it excuses all kinds of extremist authoritarian platforms. And condones all kinds of immoral excess and repression because, no worries, we get there in the end, arrive at Utopia..

Thanks for the upload, but lord do they butcher Marx 😭😭 the influence of Hegel is way overstated, no excuse for academics to pedal this

@artlessons1

2 ай бұрын

They were right to do so. The student failed in his attempt to overtake the teacher .

@stav-tt3vg

2 ай бұрын

marx was a scientist above all and people think socialism is the past but is the future@@artlessons1

Hegel fostered Marx and Nietzsche

@darillus1

17 күн бұрын

true...

No! It’s black or white. Religious or not. But for H of course it’s religious, the D word. His whole purposed, agential model is neo-Christian. PS: “I think.. it is immensely valuable to try and interpret Hegel as if he were not religious because then you find that you can make good sense of a large part of hegel's philosophy in a non-religious way just interpreting him as talking about mind and the common element in mind being our common ability to reason…… but I think I have to admit that though you can push that a long way you don't really make 100% sense of how you got in that way the last 10 % perhaps has to assume that there is some religious or crazy religious view of of mind or spirit that lies behind what he's saying”.

Hegel and Marx in 45 minutes. What a dog's breakfast

@darillus1

17 күн бұрын

it was from mainstream 1987, what do you expect?

At 26:15 the right 'answer' is that people should be informed that they are being manipulated- but capitalism makes sure that you are not only NOT informed, you are deliberately deceived, because capitalism profits by selling illusions.

@alexbuckley4378

6 ай бұрын

I think that the problem is that people don’t care to know 🤷‍♂️. Comfort is so much more important than truth or control.

@Zack-id1xo

3 ай бұрын

Much worse than the subversive manipulation of the modern cultural revolution, right comrade?

@MartinUrbanek1707

3 ай бұрын

I don't understand your comment. What are those illusions that capitalism sells? Can you give me an example?

@pxp175

3 ай бұрын

Who is Capitalism? In a capitalistic modern economy there is a very large middle class that lives rather comfortably and in financial prosperity. It is true that the top few percent are more wealthy and do, in a sense, exploit the predictive work of the rest, but the people living in a so called Marxist economy are much worse off. It seems that Capitalism brought us a lot of prosperity and advancement, and when we look into history it's hard to see a better time than now. Maybe the 90s 😂.

@johnhatchel9681

2 ай бұрын

Capitalism is merely a vehicle for how far YOU want to go. Weak minded people fall for the lie that is Marxism.

Anyone who is a fan of Hegel or Marx is someone I wouldn’t trust. Cultists are sketchy and yes that’s exactly what they were. Cultists.

Marx is underrated

As this video demonstrates, Hegel's legacy is, for better or worse, inextricably tied to Marx, and will thus forever be held in infamy.

@mark_2

5 ай бұрын

Infamous for those who don't want people to question why they are manipulated for profit, maybe.

@bozdowleder2303

5 ай бұрын

That's a strange logic. A lot of your comments on this channel are one-liners. Do you have any thoughts on any subject or just simple convictions undisturbed by anything you see or hear?

@ZeteticPhilosopher

4 ай бұрын

@@mark_2Manipulated is a strange word to use for an agreement made freely between two people, who have equal knowledge of each others’ benefits, which is why Marx prefers the term exploitation, which allows for him to morally condemn the practice without pretending the worker is somehow tricked.

@mark_2

4 ай бұрын

@@ZeteticPhilosopher I bet you think people "voluntarily" choose to be sick and homelessness too.

@RedRabbleRouser

4 ай бұрын

Marx was right. You’ve never read Marx and don’t understand him at all, we can all tell.

Marx is a bore

Das Kapital a masterpiece? It's gibberish and ridden with unproven claims and statements, as well as being anti Semitic.

@addammadd

2 ай бұрын

Ahh we have a Petersonian scholar among us! Please, tell us more about this book you haven’t read.

The disastrous failures Marxism are due in no small part to it's core tenet of Materialism, which is itself a self-refuting doctrine.

@skyandtrails

9 ай бұрын

Will you expand on this, please?

@AB-wg7qe

9 ай бұрын

Where? @@numbersix8919

@mugsofmirth8101

9 ай бұрын

@@skyandtrails Expand on what specifically?

@mugsofmirth8101

9 ай бұрын

@@numbersix8919 "How is saying "everything is material" any different from saying "everything is spiritual" since we have no idea what either means." Who is "we" and why do "we have no idea what either means?

@mugsofmirth8101

9 ай бұрын

@@numbersix8919 " " BTW Marxism is wonderfully successful. " Oh yes I would agree, it's been wonderfully successful at imposing tyranny, impoverishing the populace, and erasing history.

His masterpiece, Capital! Read the first few chapters and, depending on the level of your understanding of how the world works, especially biological dimensions, you will stop reading the silly book. Karl Marx's hilarious take of the concept of value, a premise on which his entire ideology is based, will make you laugh. Who was Karl Marx? An unemployed, angry man who applied for a job only once and lived off the capital of Engel's family, a failed father whose life revolved around conspiracy theories, who became a celebrity by sheer accident, after he was wrongly, to his delight, accused of being the agitator of the French commune revolution.

@TheLetterH111

3 ай бұрын

You are a fool.

@eggsess4624

2 ай бұрын

What biological truths make his demonstrations in Capital untenable?

@Swagkonge

2 ай бұрын

“I stopped reading marx a few chapters in because i’m so smart” is not the own you think it is

@kavorka8855

2 ай бұрын

@@Swagkonge idiot

‘Hegel is notorious for being difficult to read, for being obscure…often described as the most obscure major philosopher’ Mmmm, yes, and after just a few minutes this talk seems to be in the same mould, nothing at all concrete, and about as clear as mud. However - from a slightly less obscure source - a central tenet (or pillar) of Hegel’s philosophy is very much about the relationship between God and Man? Something he took very seriously indeed, and much of his thinking revolves around? Which, with not too many people taking the existence of God very seriously any more after the huge advances of science in the last two centuries - in other words following his lifetime - this rather holes poor old obscure Hegel below the waterline? On a different note, the seemingly unabashed admiration of Bryan Magee for Marx and his works seems particularly revolting, considering the simply appalling, almost unbelievable, levels of death & destruction inflicted on innocent people by the far-Left, influenced to a greater or lesser extent by Marx, during the 20th century.

@Swagkonge

2 ай бұрын

If you can’t understand the admiration for marx, then it’s likely you haven’t read marx.

@lawrieflowers8314

2 ай бұрын

@@Swagkonge No, I haven’t read Marx, but I have read about him. A man who never had a job in the real world and, in a society very different from today, spent his life largely theorizing. And as a consequence, came up with theories that completely fall apart when confronted by the real world. Marx regarded private property as the source of all evil in the emerging capitalist societies of his day and believed only by abolishing it could society’s class divisions be healed. These assertions were not made as speculation, but as scientific claims. Of course, it was all rubbish, and Marx’s theory of history - dialectical materialism - has since been proved wrong and dangerous in practically every respect. The countries that embraced capitalism in the 20th century went on to become democratic, open and prosperous. By contrast, every regime that has rejected capitalism in the name of Marxism has failed. And, of course, Marx was influenced by poor old obscure Hegel too. I’m glad you accept what I say about Hegel, but perhaps you could respond - directly - to the points made in my last paragraph.

@Swagkonge

2 ай бұрын

@@lawrieflowers8314 If you haven’t read marx, i have no intention of engaging in a debate on marxism, as you fundamentally seem to misunderstand its tenets. Would you debate Plato without having read The Republic? Or Kantian Ethics without having opened A Critique of Pure Reason? Once you’ve actually read some of his work, then i may be willing to engage in a philosophical discussion.

@Swagkonge

2 ай бұрын

@@lawrieflowers8314 also i disagree with your point on Hegel being largely irrelevant because of irreligion. Certainly, dialectics (marxist or otherwise) are an incredibly important part of western philosophy today, but i’m less au fait with Hegel’s work in specific so i’ll leave my disagreement at that.

@lawrieflowers8314

2 ай бұрын

@@Swagkonge Thanks, but I actually don’t want to engage in a philosophical discussion on Marxism. What I do want, is for you to respond to my original point, which is: ‘…the simply appalling, almost unbelievable, levels of death & destruction inflicted on innocent people by the far-Left during the 20th century, influenced to a greater or lesser extent by Marx.’ That, as someone involved with Marxism, a catastrophic series of events directly attributable to it is not even on your horizon, or a source of the slightest concern or consideration, is very telling. As to Hegel, I’d say that just the incredible importance of God to him and his theories, pretty much invalidates anything he has to say. Compounded by difficulty in even understanding him in the first place. Since his birth 250 years ago we’ve moved to rational science instead of unquestioning faith in a supernatural deity. And Marx (born over 200 years ago) was influenced by supremely obscure Hegel.

Gobbledygook. Look how well it's working in the Maoist culture wars today or how well it worked in Germany a hundred years ago.

@addammadd

2 ай бұрын

Ahh yes, your chosen culture is looking really well put together and totally under control right now bud.

@sharmakea3116

Ай бұрын

China is the premier ascending power l, I think it’s working quite well

Groucho Marx speaks on Carl Marx?