I played Hearthstone (an online card game) for about 10 years, and watched tonnes of KZread content about it. One of the most popular formats was a content creator inviting a top pro player to play a game with wacky rules - you’re only allowed to use cards with beards in the artwork, you can only use Legendary cards, that type of stuff. By and large, the content creators tended to win, because their job involved making and quickly learning to play tonnes of wacky, weird decks that would attract views, and pro players were more focused on actually optimizing for power and learning to pilot a small handful of powerful decks really, really well over a massive number of games. The pro players were undoubtedly "better" at the game overall, but - like with ultimate titles - that doesn't translate to being better at every aspect of the game.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

That is an excellent comparison! Thank you for that! 😄

@CivilChev

5 ай бұрын

That comparison doesn't work in FFXIV. In Hearthstone - or any card game for that matter - there are three categories of players: People who play to win, people who enjoy building combo decks, and people who enjoy making big numbers go BRRRRR. Pro players are pro players because they are the best at playing to win. A pro player only needs to learn the game's META at the highest level because off-META cards are usually out performed by META cards. Lowering the amount of potential counters makes it easier to anticipate what decks the opponent will be playing. In FFXIV there is one play style: Do the mechanics and do your rotation. A "pro player" has the skills to do both. There is no off META way to clear content. There are different strats for mechanics, sure, but your rotation doesn't change (save for slightly adjusting raid buffs in optimized parties) whether you're doing an expert roulette or a savage raid. You either have the knowledge and skills required to prog and clear content or you don't. If a Legend player can't learn a mechanic after 3 attempts despite it being explained to them you know they bought their clear.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

@CivilChev the comparison from hearthstone off meta strats to ffxiv is more in doing content where the meta strat doesn't work. Like, two minute burst meta aligning with raid doesn't work or help in the slightest when soloing potd for example. I also want to highlight that you are heavily overestimating the immense skill required to beat an ultimate if you think you have to be able to learn a mechanic in three tries to be capable of beating an ultimate 😅

@CivilChev

5 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh No, no, no. I mean 3 attempts to learn a mechanic from a roulette. Absolutely Ultimate takes much longer to prog.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Okay then yeah I see what you mean. I will say sometimes people just don't understand a mechanic, and that can happen for even the best of us. But overall I see what you mean, that it would be quite a shock to see a legend that just don't get a mechanic in normal difficulty content 😅 but the way I imagine it could happen, is that with the ultimate you have watched guides that spell out what every single mechanic does and what to do about it. If you then go into normal content blind, you might not have built the skill needed to intuitively guess what a mechanic does or wants you to do, because you rely on guides (nothing bad about that). But actually understanding a mechanic without having it explained to you is a skill of its own. So I could see it happen for a legend, even if it seems absurdly unlikely 😂

Another thing to recall about titles specifically is that they don't expire. Mentor crowns do, so having experience with current, or at least recent, content is necessary there. Titles? Well, what if the player took a break for year or three? Necromancer won't expire, but the job they used is different now. It may be an adjustment period or they may not even like the class they cleared PotD with anymore. That's just one example, but you get it.

@bench2346

4 ай бұрын

i can count on one hand the number of times i had an enjoyable experience playing with someone who had a mentor title. this is just my, personal, subjective experience, but i often find myself having experiences with mentors who micro other members without anyone asking for it, or they speak down to others as if that title makes them the defacto instance 'leader' by default. i'm not saying ppl with ultimate titles are necessarily better players, either, and i've certainly met my fair share of ultimate clear-ers who did not meet my expectations for how 'good' they were going to be at the game. but i'd much prefer playing with those kinds of players over mentors who load into every instance thinking they get to dictate every other players' experience from then on out.

@dixiebellau

4 ай бұрын

Most mentors can't even tell you the difference between a weapon skill and an ability. The mentor crown is and always will be a joke, but I'll gladly answer any questions on combat and optimization for anyone that asks them, because it's those players that want to improve at the game and if they see me as being acceptable to learn from, I'll do what I can to help. It's one of the reasons I invested so much time into learning every job at a savage/ultimate level, because I now feel like I'm qualified to help people that ask. The key word there is ask, because I won't just start throwing out pointless information to people that dont want to learn in the first place. ​@@bench2346

@grimacetexas9719

4 ай бұрын

​@@bench2346one of the things i can say about ultimate clearers is that the clear is overrated by a lot of people, sure its hard, but its essentially a longer savage, it does not require skill as much as consistence, lots of mediocre players can clear ultimates just by getting used to the mechanics until the next one and having a bit of consistence, i'm a good way through DSR and i still make mistakes in savage. Clearing an ultimate doesnt mean you are perfect at the game, it means you have the patience and dedication to go though it.

@bench2346

4 ай бұрын

@@grimacetexas9719 that's all fair but i don't see how it relates to anything i said. imo, mentor crowns simply require diligent effort over timee. it doesn't require you to complete high level duties. it's a glorified dungeon clear counter. regardless, my point was that -- again, in MY experience -- individuals with mentor crowns are far more toxic than anyone with ultimate clears i've come across. a lot of the replies in here (not yours) sound like coping with not having ultimate clears themselves, and trying to justify how useless of a descriptor an ultimate clear title is.

I spent 3 months learning PotD 1-200. That journey reinvigorated my love for this game. Knowing that people cheated by paying real money for it doesn't make my title feel devalued, it makes me feel pity for people who denied themselves that experience.

Important also to remember that each player is also a person, and that even if they are aggravating, even if they are making a lot of mistakes, it is better to be patient with them. Be kind. It's always possible that as much as they are aggravating you, they might be aggravating themselves just as much. Especially if they *are* good at some other content. It's very frustrating to be able to clear one thing with ease, and then struggle heavily with something else. A kind word, or some encouragement might ease this frustration a little bit.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

That is also very true!

@TomTheOwl68

5 ай бұрын

I agree 100%. I had a healer doing the levelling roulette with us, she was obviously learning and made a couple of mistakes and kept apologising. We said it's fine. At the end I gave her a player commendation. It's little things like that, that help people persevere. Sometimes you have to wonder how many good healers or tanks are beaten down by unthoughtful comments who could of turned out to be exceptional with some patience. A lot of FF14 players have anxiety and it's sometimes difficult for them to even run dungeons. It costs nothing to be kind and if you need to correct someone or point something out, then do it respectfully.

@jamesbiggs8397

5 ай бұрын

I've been helping my Fiancé through dungeons so she can Level BLU, and since it's just the two of us I've basically been role compressing as both healer and tank. We aren't very fast, but I was very proud of myself for being functional at all in such a role. Then I tried doing an All BLU run for Suzaku & was directly responsible for two wipes, which resulted in four runs total. Felt completely embarrassed & ashamed after that.

@Scerttle

5 ай бұрын

No one is more angry at me than me when I make a mistake lmfao

@tabs5941

5 ай бұрын

true but if you feel the need to flex a battle content title, people will expect you to perform half decently at battle content. seems fair to me honestly

Now on the other hand, ''Domitrix'' is definitely one title that people don't wear for clearing the content it's from...

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Oh dear oh dear 😂

@Ymirsabella

5 ай бұрын

I used to use that one

@Itama22

5 ай бұрын

If someone with a "Domitrix" and someone with the "Little Piggy" title meet up, their combined power makes them capable of doing content, you won't even dare to imagine xD

@Stallord2292

5 ай бұрын

Balmung Limsa Plaza (Savage) @@Itama22

@HildeTheOkayish

5 ай бұрын

also I got that title but by simply clearing it unsynced with a level 90 character. much of the old content's achievements is rather easy to obtain these days

Exactly! I have over 10,000 hours and several top 10 scores soloing deep dungeons but have never even done an extreme or savage. When doing new content i actually take off my necromancer title because i feel bad when people see it and expect me to be good and then end up disappointed... Even in deep dungeons when playing with others i sometimes get mistaken for a beginner due to the reckless aggressive playstyle i have adopted due to scoring

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

I understand the reasons why you would hide the title, but I do think the real problem is with the people expecting more. I think you are in your right to wear your accomplishment! Also congratulations on those scores! That is absolutely also an achievement to be proud of! 😊

11:32 source: "it was revealed to me by the blessing of light"

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

"hear, feel, think, and also this random fact. Remember it!" 😂

@Yuki_1927

5 ай бұрын

Source: " I saw it with the echo"

@Jade-tr4ee

5 ай бұрын

"Hydaelyn told me art of war is a gain on 2"

Now Big Fish or Mahjong Master, those are true skilled players.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

True masters of their craft!

@rika.furude

5 ай бұрын

I wish so for mahjong master but I discovered recently some group of people queue late at night (on Light DC) to win trade in order to get the title... thats sad

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

@rika.furude I guess nothing is sacred anymore 😣

@Discord_Kitty

4 ай бұрын

​@@rika.furudework smart , not hard! It might not be the most legitimate way to do it but they still go through the required grind which is still sort of respectable!

@turntapeover5749

4 ай бұрын

Big fish has had an upgrade now though. The Final Fish.

honestly i used to believe that legend-title-havers are probably really good at everything, which in hindsight is ridiculous. but even if they were, everyone has an off day - i can't count the amount of times i failed a super easy mechanic just because i got distracted or was too tired. legends/mentors are not exempt from that because of a title they slap on. in general, i feel like people are really harsh when someone performs "badly", even in casual content. you never know the reasons why they play the way they do. and even if they are just downright bad... it costs nothing to move on and find some other group.

Some good litmus tests if you think someone bought their ultimate/savage clears The easiest one is looking them up on logs. If they have multiple clears on a fight and their first clear is a 60+ but the subsequent clears drop to

@bellamango6708

5 ай бұрын

I also legit get excited talking about how unique and cool mechanics are in high end so xD

I got the title "Of The Stalwart Sword", which you get for clearing 100 high-end duties with DRK, because I was trying to farm ARR extremes unsynced for a Nightmare and I got really unlucky with my item drops for the longest time. I'm sometimes concerned that wearing that as my title will make people think that I'm amazing at high-end duties (because I absolutely am not, I've only ever beaten two of them while synced), but I'm sticking with it because I think "Of The Stalwart Sword" just sounds cool.

So I'm a mentor - I claim to be good at general content because I understand game mechanics and why things work the way they do, and apply that knowledge to my gameplay, often earning me a lot of commendations even on DPS. However, I don't claim to be good at nor do I give advice on crafting, gathering, glamouring, or most raids barring ones I've actually cleared myself. A general handyman might be able to fix that pipe, or fix that hole in the wall, or fix that light switch. But can they rewire the house? Ok maybe if they've dedicated their time to learning that skill. But can they also do the plumbing for three new rooms? Unlikely. tl:dr some people are good *in general* or have a general skillset that happens to coincide with the things needed in XIV general content, and they might have pushed one or two of these skills beyond that - but that does not mean they have skill above and beyond *in all* other places that require it.

A lot of good points, before I started doing hardcore raiding I definitely paid a lot more attention in normal contents and were almost always on my main job. Since then I've cleared the tier and gotten most of the legend titles but my roulette performance has dropped significantly because: 1. I'm always on my alt job (I love my main job but needs a break after thousands of pulls on it) 2. I'm almost always greeding harder because getting hit is basically not punishing, and to me the more valuable experience is learning how to keep uptime (while avoiding getting hit, but accidents happen while learning) 3. It's been AGES since I've done some of the roulette contents and as a result, it's pretty common to get caught off guard by a raid/trial that I haven't seen in like months. I don't sandbag by any mean, but my performance in roulette content is at best, above average, so if people expects some sort of god tier legend performance out of my title in roulettes they'd be very disappointed LOL.

I personally tend to neglect the Expert and Level 90 Dungeon roulettes. Last night, I got entered into the Fell Court of Troia. It was my second time doing it, with my first time being when I went through the MSQ. I kept getting vulned, got died a couple times, because not only had I forgotten a lot about it, I was also dusting off my Steam Deck as a PC main. Then I queued into that dungeon again from today's roulette. It was basically flawless with a few controller fumbles that didn't involve getting vulned. Also that real life example is me. I used to run a lot before 2023, and stopped after overuse injury not long after running a half marathon. In 2023, I got lazier and heavier, but I still had my gear with me. I started out this year adhering to a 5km training program. I actually do feel kinda weird like my clothes suggests I should be good at running, but I'm still going very slowly, as I remember too well how important pacing is when training from full-time desk sitter to 5km.

In my experience in ultimates, a lot of people don't realize how much they are relying on their teammates to get through the content. In a general team, i expect maybe 2-3 players to understand the why and how of the ultimate's mechanics, and the remaining 5-6 players to just be there to do rotations and stand where they've been told to stand, whether through a toolbox or verbally by those other two-three players. I'm not only speaking of the people doing raid calls for others, but that's a part of it, too. It's fairly likely that a team member could earn the title by technically doing everything someone else did, but having been handheld through the entire experience. You can see it sometimes when a player from a static will play perfectly fine when they have a team member doing callouts for them, but as soon as you put them in the party finder or have them fill for another team, with the exact same strategies, exact same role, exact same positions, that they mess up a lot more often than you'd expect. Usually it's because they can rely on a callout for something or other, and that could be as menial as reading a front/back cast bar.

Ive had a few people assume im a mentor because i just know alot about this game but i just happen to have a lot of free time to research stuff or read conversations that other people have had. But none the less im proud to be a crownless mentor

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Never needed a crown to help and teach! I am glad you are part of the community! (and the caemmunity! 😊)

@Ymirsabella

5 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh thank you. that means more to me than you will ever know

I've heard about the "unworthy" mentors but I've never actually seen one - that I remember anyway... i wear my battle mentor badge everywhere and I pride myself on content knowledge (actually cleared all extremes MIL to unlock mentor roulette)... I won't go and explain things to people unless asked or wiped to though, I think learning by doing is the best way. Also I really just wanted my mentor status so I could get back on novice network to help people out, organize some MIL coils runs for sprouts and so on...

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

That is great to hear! 😊 I do hope you get a lot of joy out of the mentor role! 😄

Something that you also should keep in mind is that sometimes people are just... Tired, mental fatigue very quickly leads to forgetting mechanics or your reaction rime dropping off a cliff It happens to me a lot because I like to play the game before bed sometimes, and I can join a dungeon or trial and do a lot worse than if I was more awake

Recently, I ran into a mentor in Syrcus Tower. Level 50 content that everyone involved wasnt doing new. He had an 8 message long sound effected Macro dedicated for calling out when a Ninja uses Doton single target, a VERY COMMON MISTAKE. He put ONE SPROUT NINJA on blast for the entire raid for making a mistake, and it wasnt even in his alliance! The entire raid started to dog on the edgelord samurai to the point he shut up and pulled the "I dont care" card, blacklisted and got blacklisted by the entite raid :)

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Wow 😂 I mean yeah I find it funny when I see single target doton too, but that is just not really the place to take it 😅 maybe if I'm in their party I might mention in party chat. But alliance chat? And MULTIPLE TIMES? no way 😂

@fishbread9208

5 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh In those raids its only a loss of 90 potency so who cares? Seeing it happen in level 90 content on the other hand...

@NorsePearl

5 ай бұрын

What a rude guy... It's not worth it to bitch out people and expect them do to that kind of content perfectly, nor does it matter. Most people play to have fun, so if they're not outright doing stuff to hinder the others, let them do their stuff. At least the NIN DPSed, which is better than doing nothing! Glad people stood up for them.

As a stealthy mentor (I hide my crown to avoid drama), I can confirm this video speaks sense. I know a lot about dungeons. Not everything, but a lot. But you ask me about the Alexander raids, I know next to nothing. I don't do deep dungeons so I know very little. I've only just started savage raiding and have not done any ultimates. The crown means almost nothing.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

At least you know something, and as long as you can help someone, I don't think the crown is entirely meaningless on you. Although I understand hiding it 😊

yet another proof that the crafter crown is the best one, as it represents taking control of the means of production

i keep my sprout badge even though i’ve been more knowledgeable about something than everyone else, it’s a badge of pride that i will only remove when they take it away from me, my crown is sprout shaped.

Its actually so hard to prove someone *didnt* do the ultimate legit, even missing logs arent a surefire way, in my case ive done the first 4 ultimates, but I only had logs for UwU, since the other 3 ults have logs on private, they show up for me, but not for others. Not to mention u can literally buy the clears with logs now as well My UwU Log which was the only public one was eventually deleted by the uploader I assume since I cant see it myself anymore either, so my only public log was gone too, luckily I have at least streamed my UwU Clear to friends so I have that as proof that I *did* do it, but only for one of the 4 Ults I did. I dont consider myself too shabby at the game, so I dont usually get called out as PayPal Legend, but if I was, I have no way of proving it except for UwU either Overall im resorting to Titles now which u cant rly buy, like Mahjong Master

You absolutely can have people that have made it to end game and even cleared a savage that have no idea what they are doing, we had to give a gladiator a tanking lesson in a normal dungeon the other day. And no that's not a mistake, he didn't have his job stone equipped and didn't know it was important yet somehow had the perfect legend title, I am 100% sure that he bought that account like a week ago. I was so damn frustrated by the end of the dungeon if the other players hadn't made it funny I would have bailed, we did get a banger of a joke that "dawn tail bard tank is now confirmed" lol

the example you gave at the beginning is 100 percent me. I cleared top on summoner and i think i got worse at playing other jobs/roles because of how many hours i was exclusively playing smn and doing that specific content. I know it's such a meme but i do feel like my ability to flex to other roles or even tank normal dungeons got worse even though i got this big accomplishment and i was playing the game a ton.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

It might be a case of needing to relearn. If I go away from a job for a while, I need to work at getting back into it to get it right too! 😊

@omboxox

5 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh definitely. I started going through aloalo island on sage and even though it used to be my main job it took a while to get back into it.

slapping the boss while being a caster/healer is the ultimate sign of a gigachad

I agree with and have even stated many of these points myself, but not all. I also find the community's insistence to focus on "burger crowns" instead of trying to lift up actual mentors just needlessly petty and cruel. I've met more than my share of them, but your ending point of people being more quiet about their achievements? How about all the mentors you quietly forgot about and did fine? All the ones who didn't have the crown on because of fear of being attacked for simply having it? Something that I have personally experienced more than once. The assholes people *PRETEND* to care about, they don't care about the mockery. Meanwhile there's plenty of tales of people who have entirely given up on ever trying to be helpful to anyone because of this kind of treatment. FFXIV community has a long standing issue with self fulfilling prophecies. Aether is the only raiding server. Primal dies because everyone only raids on Aether. Aether is the only raiding Server. Crystal dies. Aether is the only raiding server. Dynamis dies. Mentors all suck. No new well meaning mentors join because they aren't here to be constantly mocked. And contrary to popular belief, no, mentors DON'T need to be good at this game, and it takes all types of mentors to raise the sprouts. People there who can just fill queues, people who have information, or people who are just friendly and welcoming. Not all players are the same, have the same habits, skills, etc. Expecting all mentors to? No, not even close. We on Midgard explicitly shy newbies away from getting the crown unless they're prepared to help in some way, but we don't explicitly tell them *what* they need to be doing beyond being helpful to sprouts. And then your end point also gets needlessly sarcastic to finish it. As if anyone having any pride for what they accomplished is an idiot because these other people don't. People spend months of their lives chasing these rewards, their version of fun or no. Hell yeah they should be allowed to show off what they accomplished. Paypal Legends or no, who cares about them? I met at least one of them too. My faith in humanity is quite literally at an all time low, basically non-existent. But I'm not about to act like someone flaunting their achievements is unworthy of doing so just because Xxcloud Sephirothxx bought all theirs. World's fucked enough as it is, let people be happy with their little Alpha Legend catgirl. That might be all they have left. Again, I've explicitly said many of these points myself. But boy some of this has rubbed me the wrong way for years. I'm an asshole, and I can take it. Most others, can't.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

I agree with your points. To the mentor example I often have gone over what mentors are "supposed" to be doing, which is a lot more vague than what a lot of players think. I feel like you said a similar thing here. I am sorry if my fun fact at the end came off wrong 😅 I didn't mean to suggest you can't be proud of your achievement - it was mostly intended as a jab at those players that use their title to imply they are "better than everyone else" The self fulfilling prophecy you mentioned, especially for data centers, is quite incredible, because it isn't even exclusive to ffxiv, or data centers. The same "winner team joining" behavior happened in pvp and was "fixed" by making Frontline all random 😅 in EU we even have the exact same problem of Light being the raiding DC, and the only way to combat it, is if people start staying on their home. DC for party finder. To have a raiding pfs on chaos, someone has to make the pf there, despite the downsides. And while someone has to start, you need many to make it work. And it is simply easier to... Not, so people don't. 🙁

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

@thoth81 an unfortunate reality of being the DC everyone flocks to, is that it also accumulates players of all skill levels. That of course DOESN'T mean that their shouts were justified 😅

I've beaten all the ults on drk this year and I can firmly say Im mid on every other job. Which has lead to meeting toxic casuals in normal raids if I'm not top DPS. W video.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! And yes, that makes perfectly good sense! In extension of that, you shouldn't feel obligated to be a master at everything else anyway! 😊

I used to really look up to raiders, especially those whom clear ultimates. Ive cleared the first 3 many, many times now, and ive learned that i wasnt alone in my admiration towards raiders. It was a strange shift, I got people asking me about ultimate or complimenting the skill, etc, instead of it being me looking up at them- i *was* them. To any player that looks up to raiders, please, we're just a group of people that focus down one thing on one job- time and practice. It's nothing special past that. We promise. We're going to mess up a mechanic too

I can't speak on the titles, but the Mentor System really needs some sort of change. One idea I had is like a "Mentor Rating", if even a "thumbs up/thumbs down" system; falling below a certain threshold puts you on a cooldown for a set time, say one or two weeks, and you have to do something to get the Mentor status back again. While some bad eggs could "abuse" the system and just downrate every Mentor, I feel like the amount who would do that are the minority. Likewise, it can still allow some bad eggs to be a Mentor, so whether such a system is really worth it is questionable. Alternatively they change the name of it from "someone who can teach you things" to "someone who has played the game a lot" and just make it a title. I feel like most people know the prestiege of the Mentor Crown is long gone, so such a change shouldn't affect a lot. Also alternatively, only display the crown if a Mentor queued for Mentor Roulette; it's something where they actively know they may have to teach things to people, so having something to point "this person is here to help" feels more appropriate.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it certainly needs change. The only thing I can really add here is that when you queue into mentor roulette, you are forced to wear the "combat mentor" crown - the one with the sword. The problem there is of course that you can willingly wear that one too. But it is typically a sign the player is doing mentor roulette if they have that crown with the sword! 😅

@Oc-Ni

5 ай бұрын

When you open the Party List, only the Mentors that landed in the Duty via Mentor Roulette will have the combat mentor Icon next to their name. All others, even those that just decided to wear the combat mentor Icon, will have the "in duty" icon. The Vote/Feedback system would be something but could be abused and simply in most duties in Mentor Roulette, there is no need to explain stuff, or Time to do so. I personally wouldn't like it if someone just right away explains a new, casual fight to me (as they try to actively be helpful). So In most Duties there is not the opportunity to actually do some "mentoring" to be helpful. In some, it's a quick explaining of the mechanic that they died to or in Extremes suggesting a strat to get through the fight. Very rarely, at least for me, it's more than that. But I do enjoy those rare occasions when after a duty someone stays around for some advice/feedback.

I have an EU friend who has 4 Legend titles with his static, but every raid tier, they clear it months after it launches. It doesn't mean they suck. It means they haven't learned the fights yet. Ultimates are endurance gauntlets that can be ruined by a single person dying at any point. They don't have the space to remember other mechanics while trying to remember which Nael quote is Chariot or Dynamo.

@russak1537

5 ай бұрын

So they clear them after they get nerfed, got you😂😂😂

I knew palace of the dead was gonna come up. I just wanna point out before he says it or before I hear It. Learning to beat palace of the dead solo is almost going against how you're supposed to play most classes. It's the same for soloing any content. You're supposed to burst as hard as possible and survive as long as possible so a lot of rotations go out the window. If you ever soloed any raids on a tank You'll know sometimes you have to be very sub optimal.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

If I recall correctly, the first person to solo potd with blm said scathe was invaluable. I think that perfectly matches with what you said about learning to play a job 😅

@Golden910

5 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Exactly. Thanks for the great topic of discussion. I really like the idea behind this and how it helps to understand how players think.

I just ran into a necromancer guy who didn't know about interrupting, as a tank, as someone who was level 25 in bozja. That was... annoying.

I was made aware of just how bad the RMT for ultimate clears really is. And know of people that make money off of it… doing it hundreds of times. It is very sad that people pay money to NOT play a video game themselves.

I had a SAM main friend that just cleared TOP and only just learned (3 days since I posted this) that Kasha is a flank positional. They have been playing and maining SAM since mid ShB.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Oh my goodness 😂

@felixamari157

5 ай бұрын

It was easier to notice in SHB. That's why it was my job to learn positionals on! :O

@tabs5941

5 ай бұрын

the absolute state of samurai players, incapable of keeping track of their TWO positionals

Ohohoho, Sprouts. No, no the Crown does NOT mean I remember [random mechanic] from [random boss] in [random level 50 dungeon I get once every 3 months.] It means I'm good figuring it out on the fly, relaying that information to you, AND keeping you alive, all at the same time.

@NotTheWheel

5 ай бұрын

I'm a random player who has played for many years. Sometimes I forget the mechanics of old content. I figure things out on the fly, relay information and keep people alive. That's what an average player does. If you put yourself on a roster where you're expected to know the ins and outs of the game better than anybody because you qualified for it. In my opinion you're supposed to know better than average. It's not a slight against you personally but think of it this way. A parent kinda remembers Algebra enough to sorta put their kid on the right track. A Teacher should be trusted to instill that knowledge to the student. That is their job. If you are as lost as the rest of us you can't be trusted in that role. "A wise and trusted counselor or teacher" - that's what Mentor means. If you're not that you shouldn't be that.

@JelisW

5 ай бұрын

@@NotTheWheel I think your expectations and starting may be a little skewed. Mentors _didn't_ "put [themselves] on a roster where [they're] expected to know the ins and outs of the game better than anybody". Nowhere in the mentor requirements or rules is there the expectation to have an encyclopedic knowledge of every duty in the game, and it would be silly to have that expectation, given the sheer quantity of duties included in mentor's roulette: literally every single duty from guildhests, dungeons, trials, normal raids, alliance raids, and extremes (not from current expac), and that quantity grows with every new expac. Even teachers specialize: your math teacher isn't expected to know the full range of content that falls under the header of "mathematics" from elementary level to university courses. They teach a limited and set curriculum, and anything that falls outside of it, they'd be perfectly fine to go "you know what, I'm not sure, I'll look that up and get back to you on that"--and I say this as a teacher myself. Even the _Professors_ do not know every piece of knowledge in their field: they often have very set and narrow specialisms, and it's a common joke that often academics in the same field have little understanding of what their colleagues are working/researching on. What your average math teacher CAN be expected to know (aside from their set syllabus for the courses they're teaching that semester) is at the very least the basic principles of mathematics, have a better understanding in general than that of the average layperson, and for things that may lay slightly outside of their specialty, they should generally have a good idea of where to go to find reliable information about it. And so it is with mentors. THEIR job, to quote the Smith, is simple "to provide guidance and support for _beginning_ adventurers_. A combat mentor should know the basics of combat, how to put together a passable rotation no matter the job, what rolling your GCD and weaving oGCDs means, how to do a decent job of rolling mits while tanking, how to rely on oGCDs to heal and balancing healing with damage, the basics of how to read the visual language of mechanics--paying attention to not just common markers like stack markers, but also boss physical tells, boss cast bar tells, arena-based tells, and debuffs. I would also expect them to have a decent amount of familiarity with the mechanics of ARR and HW levelling content, simply because that is what pops up in mentor's roulette the most often, and is when people who are truly new often need the most help. Past that point, a battle mentor _who has unlocked mentor's roulette_ can probably be expected to have a better chance of figuring out the mechanics of some random obscure duty on the fly simply because in order to unlock mentor's roulette in the first place, they are expected to complete every duty at least once, and so are likely to have more experience than the average player at reading the visual language of mechanics. They should also know how to direct people to the necessary resources if someone wants to know, say, how to best optimize a level 70 BLM rotation, even if they may not know it themselves. I do not expect mentors to be amazing at every job they play in roulette, nor do I expect them to be able to recite the mechanics of, idek, Temple of the Fist off the top of their heads.

@NastyMick

5 ай бұрын

@@NotTheWheel Lol Imma stop you right there, because in my 1700 hours of playing, the 'Average' player literally say nothing unless prompted and most of them don't even use half of the skills on their hotbar. I'm glad you break the mold a bit, but don't try and move goal post to make your point. Second off, no one's 'lost' when they forget minor details in 4-5 year old content. The worst that happens in the overwhelming majority of cases is a Vuln stack or two, even in content as recent as early Endwalker. With such ridiculously low stakes, you're not gonna find a person on the planet whose memorized all 84 dungeons, 57, trials, and god knows how many raids. Fuck, not even my IRL job has me memorize everything. No one's does. And no teacher knows every details off the top of their head either. Not a one. That's not anything works. Get real, bro.

Paypal Legends are much much muuuuuch more common than it seems. EU datacenters are litttered with people who were hardstuck at certain phase in DSR or TOP for 6-7-8 months and they just bought a clear to get it over with.

I'm pretty close to getting my "burger king" crown and it's always alarmed me at how many people make a huge assumption of skill at this game of people who wear it. The crown is meant to mean you're here to help. That's it - you've put in the time, and you're here to help. I'm here to help, but I never claimed to be an expert. I've never cleared savage anything, I haven't done extreme trials - it's not why I play, as a mostly solo adventurer. I'm here for the storytelling, and if that makes me bad according to some, so be it. I think being helpful and kind counts for quite a lot; if people need a savage raid expert, there are plenty of those! I don't have to be one.

@tunasub8097

5 ай бұрын

It’s not called the Helper Crown though, it’s the Mentor Crown. By definition, it’s very much implied that mentors are there to teach. Being helpful is just a byproduct.

I think a big thing that leads people into thinking most Legends are Paypal Legends is that in Race to World First attempts, "top players" have been caught cheating. While it's painting in broad strokes and isn't fair, it's what's usually the most highlighted and negative things tend to stick more than positive things. We even got plenty of "HE'S ON THE MOON" memes from TOP aha. As for the mentorship crown, I think the system as a whole needs to be reworked. Very few of the mentors that I've met are actually in the program to teach newcomers. It's usually been jaded players just chasing the mount reward. How many stories have you heard from mentors who "dread" getting an extreme trail on their roulettes and usually just dip the moment the see the phrase "extreme"? That's not exactly what you want in such an important role. Teaching new players how to penetrate into any MMO is a feat worth propping up, and I think FFXIV deserves better than what we currently have.

@shawnscouten5184

5 ай бұрын

I would agree, but its a system designed to incentivize doing such things. In its current setup, it takes extra time, for no extra reward, and I say this as someone who likes the chaos of mentor roulette extremes. Mentors are in a weird role where they don’t really have a purpose, ff14 is incredibly hand-holdy for better or worse, it buries you in tutorials for just about everything, all the normal mode fights are designed so people who have never played a game before can beat them while watching youtube. As a result, the majority of content is simply too easy to have anything to Mentor to people (minus basic “don’t run with stack marker” type stuff, which is decently rare). Extremes are currently the only place where Mentors actually have anything to do, but the game actively punishes you for participating in them. Certain extremes are faceroll, yeah, but others are incredibly uncertain, and could easily run out the timer. To top it off, even if you stay the full instance, if the timer runs out, you get nothing whatsoever, and a clear only gives you 1 point, same as anything else. It is a risk many people are understandably not willing to take. The game is actively set up to incentivize Mentors to not do their jobs in the 1 scenario where they would actually have to do so. It’s an awful system, the incentives are incredibly misaligned. It could be fixed though, simply incentivize people to do the desirable behaviour, make 1 extreme clear count as 10 clears for the achievement for example, or make it so if the instance times out, it still counts as a clear. That should offset the risks innate in participating. Unrelated, but Mentoring could serve a purpose in things the game fails to explain, like hard fights, job rotations(for some reason) and niche content, but being a mentor doesn’t require that, it just requires you to spam guildheists and do ifrit normal mode unsynched an ungodly number of times. As a result, most battle mentors have little knowledge on battles, not even job knowledge, which could lead to people being unconfident in extremes and thus more likely to leave. This could be remedied by making a synced extreme required to be mentor, after all, the game expects you to do extremes in mentor roulette, so they should at least make sure people are capable of doing them.

@NorsePearl

5 ай бұрын

The most frustrating thing for me when I was doing mentor roulettes was to get sprouts who queued up for EX content and were unwilling to learn, to let me explain mechanics and just wanted to run in to DPS. There's only so much you can do in those situations. It was easier doing current ex trials. All in all I don't think the game explains well to sprouts that EX content is optional and not have the quests there to complete the EX trials to begin with, like they've done for the later expansions. Or at least give them a proper warning that there are more injuries mechanics that will require team coordination and cooperation. I don't mind teaching EX content to new players as long as they're prepared to fail and learn from experience. I do not want to herd cats who do the same mistake over and over for an hour and throw a fit when you do your best to explain mechanics and guide them.

The rarest title I have, as far as I can tell, is the “winningest jockey,” which just means I got addicted to a minigame

FFXIV either intentionally or unintentionally reinforces the quote of: "Don't judge a book by it's cover." Stay humble people.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Pretty much!

As a multi-legend Yeah, I'm bad at this game lmao

Hi, I'd like to offer some perspective as a quad legend (missing TOP, working on it kek), who's been playing the game since the release of Endwalker. It is correct to say that having a legend title will not equal skill at all things. FF has a very diverse skillset, however the fundamentals required to clear most ultimates will serve you very well in the general game. As an example, if I pick up a brand new dps job and go into a trial or extreme trial with it, I will most likely be the highest or second highest damage dealer, even without knowing my rotation properly, simply because I have an understanding of what makes you do good damage in this game. On the flip side, because I'm focused on learning that rotation, I'm also a lot more likely to not see a mechanic flying towards my face, even one I'm normally aware of, and I'll eat it by accident. Regarding not giving it your all, I can't speak to others but for me even if I'm half asleep and watching netflix on my other monitor, any of the normal-mode content in this game is easy enough to do (on a class I'm very familiar with) without thought. Of course I won't play as well as if I were giving it my all, but it's not necessary in a dungeon for me to perfectly space out my mits as tank, throw auroras and heart of corundum (gnb skills for any who don't know) on the dps to keep them alive or remove load from the healer, etc. Still it's not inconceivable that I might go through an entire dungeon without popping a reprisal simply because I don't feel a need to, which if you want to be forensic in logs might make me look like a bad player. Most healers are so scared of letting the tank die that they just cure 2 spam even if I'm full health and heavily mitigated. Paypal legends are a thing. They're everywhere. Much more common than you'd think. They even try to sneak into raid groups using their bought titles as a suggestion of their skill. Regarding not understanding game mechanics: Yup. I have a basic understanding of stat tiering and I know the top sync levels for legacy ults and how to gear for them, but I let the math nerds in the Balance Discord figure out what's optimal for that. Still, a lot of this is unnecessary to clear an ultimate. I know a group of triple legends on my datacenter, most of whom have not even finished shadowbringers yet, and still have their sprout. They all have gray parses because they did the 3 legacy ultimates using the tomestone gear and didn't understand that that wouldn't give them good damage, cause they thought the iLvL was high enough. They're a funny bunch, but one thing they do have is the ability to learn quickly (which even this you don't need) tl;dr legend title itself means very little, there's just a slightly higher chance a legend knows what they're talking about than the average player. That's why I don't use them at all, I use whatever sounds the coolest for the true endgame; RP.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

This all sounds about right yes, and your tldr sort of says what I was trying to get at as well! While having a legend title doesn't mean you would know much, it is very likely that you would (assuming you legitimately got the title). It does not surprise me at all that Paypal Legends are real. My point about saying we should assume the best is more that a shocking amount of players choose to jump to conclusions over smaller mistakes (Assume legend title havers are perfect: Make single mistake -> Paypal Legend), which is of course absurd!

its the people who use the crown and/or their title to be a jerk to everyone or act like they have some sense of "superiority" is when I start judge every little thing they do 🤷‍♀️ Its really that loud minority that gives people the mindset of "If theyre a mentor/clear ultimates and or savages, they MUST be good at the content in the game" in my opinion. As someone who plays multiple classes, I understand that not everyone is going to know what to do as mistakes from mentors/title holders can be due to leveling that class at the time or not being as proficient in the class as their main or just not getting that dungeon as often. Despite me being an omni tank and healer, Holminster Switch pulls still gets me some days 😅😭

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

It is certainly a possibility yes! And those that do perpetuate this "superiority" thing can also lead others to follow suit, which doesn't help either!

I know something that usually bothers me, whether it's a sprout (usually it is) or a mentor, is that when I notice a mistake in content whether it's a dungeon, or a trial, that is affecting someone else (Improper mitigation like dumping it all out at once, messing up a mechanic and killing others.). I can let it go the first time it happens as I understand mistakes happen, but what usually riles me up, or makes me certainly forget that it's another person playing, is when you ask them what's up, tell them it's fine, or you try and interact with them, possibly to teach or help them, and you get stonewalled. I've seen it happen plenty of times where I just get brushed off and ignored or others in the party do when trying to help and it just... it's irrational but to me it feels intentional at that point, that they don't want to get better or do better, otherwise they'd interact with us, even a simple sorry makes me feel better.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I absolutely understand that one! It just feels awful to deal with too 😣

THANK YOU! It's good to hear someone else say all of this. I am a Mentor and have been on the receiving end of the "aren't you supposed to know this fight", question multiple times. Content that was current at the time even. I don't know EVERYTHING about the game, but I could give very simple lessons on about 80% of what is in the game. I am also a lore player so I could teach you a bit about some parts of the lore of the game (only a "bit" because I don't make a point to memorize every little tidbit for now). If people want to throw the "mentor knows all" assumption around, I say we need another level of mentorship that is only achievable by completing a long checklist of tasks that covers EVERY aspect of the playable game. Like completing the achievements for all A and B rank of every zone, completing all of the "Tankless Job" achievements, completed all achievements under crafting and gathering that involve gathering/crafting a certain number of items , etc. A list that REQUIRES you to know everything.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

The "shouldn't you know everything" argument is indeed always ridiculous. We all focus our attention on different things 😊 and the mentor crown is mostly supposed to be like an "ask me" sign at times 😅 or an indicator you are willing to try to help! 😊

It's funny how in a so no toxic game, ppl tends to put a lot of pressure or be "toxic" on players who seem to arbor title or stuff who seem to make them up high in a certain hierarchy in the game That's why I'm using my cerberus as a mount, it's a reward from a extremely hard and tidious content thant I am proud I managed to conquer with tons of random ppl. That nobody are aware of and still not mind it, or be mean about it I never understand how people just think or judge people without knowing them, it's harsh and poisonus as hell

I actually have a combat mentor thing that I got mostly for spamming dungeon roulette for my own amusement and having a funny name. I haven't even cleared endwalker raids or all of eden. I do enjoy helping people but it would help if I knew wtf I was doing outside lvl 15-80 dungeons.

Hello i’m a new player, so if i got a title on my main character which is warrior, and then i switch to playing bard on the same account, can my bard wore the title that i got with my warrior ? Thx.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

2 ай бұрын

If it is the same character, then yes, you should find the title on the list of titles. If it is two characters the answer is a flat no. Very few things are account wide, and most things that are account wide would be things that cost real money 😅

I only got title because I like it since it's spooky. Turned out POTD solo was super fun which helped. Next one I want is for 500 botanist levequests.

@ruily276

3 ай бұрын

In case you haven't done it yet you can just turn in fish for that since it's 500 tradecraft levequests.

There are iirc 21 jobs in ffxiv atm, broken down into 5 categories that people typically main to learn aspects of. You will have people that will pick 1 job and play it almost exclusively until the end of time, and with these people you'd expect them to be good at that one job, reasonable within their category and category adjacent, and maybe not quite as good at jobs with nothing in common ((f.e. A person could main WHM, be reasonable with the other healers and potentially a caster DPS, but be completely lost on tank)) and you will have Generalists or Jacks, the master of none that can play every role reasonably and have preferences within them, but maybe aren't as specialised with any one particular job to get the absolute most value out of them. Are either of these players bad? Bad question, you can't judge a fishes ability to climb a tree and in ff14, a player can play any of the classes at any time. Nobody is obliged to play their best job all the time. However: Players who have Legend titles/weapon glams deserve the extra criticism? Not really, if you clear an ultimate on Dragoon, and reclear the ultimate on Dragoon, you can now have the ultimate weapon for White Mage, even if you have no business taking your WHM weapon into anything harder than extreme or unreal. The fact is, we are all expecting everyone else to be the best they can be for one reason or the other, and instead, we fail to look at ourselves and ask if *we* are doing the best *we* can for the rest of the group. The only place Ultimate scrutiny should be placed on a player, is if they're in an ultimate raid group. Mentors are currently their own special little breed of hell I'll not go into as it's a system that's currently abused because "muh crown" and the world wide shitposting chat channel that is the worst place for new adventurers...

seeing an explosion of necromancer, jack of all cards, legend, world class trollers, etc. often, on sprouts. doesn't make sense to me. I have almost 4 years on my main, and dont have many of these. ill never do ultimate.. im older and slower. but necromancer is no small feat. I struggle to believe they are all egit. i have to assume that many are PayPal legends.

The Mentor crown weighs heavily upon the head, perhaps too heavily, it drains our intellect by the minute. That said, I might have my Necromancer title on, but that doesn't mean I remember every bit of a random ass trial from 6 years ago! Or a dungeon from last patch. Or what I had for breakfast. Or my middle name.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, memory is also a big part that might often hilariously... Be forgotten about!

I do tend to give the benefit of the doubt to legends and say might be an off day or the sort, but when an Alpha Legend with the TOP weapon runs away with an enumeration stack 3 times in a row in E6N, and also spends way too much time away from the bosses (Not keeping uptime), that's when I really start to have my doubts. But it is important to always remember it's a person on the other side, so treat them as such

In Guild Wars 2, theres a set of titles made for completing challenge mode fractals (scaled mini-dungeons) with no one dying. I remember a specific instance where a person with a title messed up a mechanic, caused a wipe, and because I didnt have the title, they went and kicked me despite not causing the wipe. Worst part? They didnt even ask for the title in the group post!

@CaetsuChaijiCh

4 ай бұрын

Wow, that is quite rude O.o "Oh it was probably the one without the title!" without even checking >.

I'm a mentor that finished all endwalker savage tiers and finishing tea but I cant remember for the love of god most of extremes that happen on mentor roulettes

still rocking around w/ the storm puppy title

Be excellent to each other.. you don't need a crown or a title.

I recall a Mentor who was giving a new player information that they knew nothing about. They told the WAR he didn't need stance on to hold enmity and all it does it reduce damage, this was back when WAR's Defiance stance was only additional HP and enmity, while Paladin and Dark Knight were reduced damage and reduced incoming damage with enmity. When I corrected them, they got mad and had actually reported me, I knew because I was pulled from Coerthas, while I was enjoying my time riding through the maps on my Fat Chocobo, by a GM. GM interviewed me, said I was okay to go and asked if I had any questions before being sent back. I asked why a crown for mentors? Introducing regal looking cosmetics that can be shown off tends to bring the worst of people flocking for the prestige status it implies. While they agreed, that was just what was decided on by those in charge.

I didn't get the necromancer title by being good at the game, I got it by not touching grass for years.

Cae-dono sacrificing so much for us Not only did they go out of their way to get the BK Crown for the sake of this video They also offered themselves up as tribute because someone had to wear that crown

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

😂

This video, more or less, summarize why, when I want to do some content, I want people willing to learn and not people willing to clear.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

That is a very good mindset! Learning will lead to a clear eventually, but just smashing your head at the problem without learning from mistakes goes nowhere!

I don't mind people having mentor when they don't have general knowledge, it helps them earn achievements...what I do mind with mentor crown is that it explicitly states that you should help players and they actively give bad advice while wearing it instead of changing their status back to "online" or something....you seem to call them 'burger crown', I like calling them the 'clown crowns'. Again, no issue if they have mentor, but if they're not there to teach and don't have the knowledge to actually do so they really ought to turn it off edit: knowing what the internet is like in case anyone didn't know, if you open the party menu you can right click on yourself [idk what the button is to open context menu on controller] -> edit search info -> then choose a status like mentor/online/melding/afk/busy/etc. When I say turn it off I mean do this, edit your search info to set your status to online or some such.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

I agree, that if you aren't actually going to mentor you should really turn it off! 😊

I've actually had the inverse happen to me before where people thought I was a tank that raids because i got really experienced with dungeons and trials, when idk anything about raiding I avoid heavy raiding, I still try and keep as well equipped as I can for not doing them and try to learn the importance of my skill kit as well as the reason stats are better even if i don't use them on high risk content.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

4 ай бұрын

Ha! That is quite funny, but not too surprising! A case of "you're so good, you probably do a lot of hard content"! 😁

Being a lala is nice when going for Mentor, as there's an unspoken rule that lalas comm each other :)

As someone who did all 5 ultimates legitimately, i can confirm that i play like an absolute idiot a lot of the time. Even in those ultimates, i am a bit of a goof / troll to my friends. Then again, i dont really flaunt my titles or weapons in game because i like other titles and weapons cause they appeal to me more

Look for the people with the coolest glams, not weapons. Those are the ones who have gone through hell to clear as much content as possible multiple times.

Yeah, this happens to me quite often. Where people go like "oh how are you such a bad healer while having all ultimates done". People are very quick to judge the title or go look in FFL how many you have, but only up to the point where they got "ammo". For example I'm a DPS main. Yeah doesn't mean I can do tanking and healing at the same level lol. I usually remove my legend title when healing/tanking to avoid this now.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

4 ай бұрын

The looking at fflogs part is especially annoying to me, but yeah, what you are saying is exactly the problem, that people make assumptions about you based on so little 😅

Honestly, I love my Goddess of War title more than probably anything else. Sure, I'd love to get Necromancer title, but... just my absolutely favorite is Goddess of War for my character.

Those people that say they should make a Mentor do a savage synched to get their crown forget that O1S is a thing lol, even then, P1S would be extremely easy to do synched at this point, so, realistically, that argument is invalid because Savage is so vast a difficulty range, that you don't need an equal level of skill for every fight, some don't even require that much skill other than doing your rotation and mild movements every now and then

@thebrave9971

5 ай бұрын

That is, fair, while P1S was my first piece of High End Content I cleared, there is still a noticeable gap in skill required for that compared to any normal mode content you can play

I personally know some really bad players who clear savage and ultimates through sheer repetition and months throwing their face against a wall. They still earned the titles and weapons themselves, and while they can't even do normal content properly, I don't mind them showing off their achievements. The basic mentor crowns are a bit different though as you can just get them after playing for long enough. I only wear my crown to let others know that I'm here to answer your questions if you have any, and I feel really bad when I mess up when wearing it as I worry it makes other mentors look bad.

The only way to know someone's skill level is to play with them consistently. There's plenty of reasons a skilled player might underperform across the wide variety of content in this game. Plus, there's even a wide variety of skill levels amongst legends. I have never done a blind prog of anything (yet), or even cleared ultimate, but I have a lot of respect for the people who can effectively blind prog that stuff and craft strats as they go. That is a level of skill you don't get a title for.

My static fell apart in the middle of P8S prog because we were taking suspiciously high damage and having issues getting anywhere, and upon investigation it was our [ ultimate legend ] off tank who had genuinely cleared UWU with our group who unironically stopped using reprisal [at all] and upon being questioned about it responded "Oh, it overwrote yours at one point, so I just stopped casting it."

Another thing to consider with people who have titles from palace, HoH, or ultimates below max level is that they might be good at playing at the level you get synced to for that content, but have vastly less experience at higher levels. A necromancer title holder is probably going to be great at level 60 of their chosen job, but they might be just OK at level 90 content.

6:30 I main healer, and cleared E9S to P11S on content bar P8S, with UCOB as my first and so far only ultimate cleared in Endwalker. I'm kind of middle in skill (in my opinion) so take it with a grain of salt. Since I started raiding and used gear and job guides on the Balance Discord, unless we've gone more focused (such as first tier of EW) I've always advocated for more Det on gear rather than DH, for the reason you say, the difference in dps is quite minor on average (iirc Balance said it's within 1%?). Because of this small difference, it's more important to focus on your ABCs rather than the 2 lowest prio stats as that will give you more dps than DH on its own could give you. If you run PF a lot, or your group is just bad and you have to both GCD heal and ress a lot, then grabbing a bit more piety is way more useful as you won't run out of mana that way. Then again, grabbing some DH is useful (so that you'll actually be able to do a DH). At the end of the day, whenever I talk about this (such as NN) I will typically mention all of this. ABC more important than focus on stats. DH a tiny bit better for dps than DH, IF you spend most of your time actually dpsing. And finally, if you don't do things like week1/2 raiding, speed kills, parse runs, ultimates on content, group actually coordinating and don't get hit by useless shit, etc, it likely won't matter which you pick, so just go for one and play the game. And to end on a kinda funny note, I like doing "low skill" content with SCH using my UCOB book and Legend title along with the Crown for lulz, it's the one healer that I don't really know how to play properly.

Regarding the Mentor Crown, I'm going to share some secret knowledge :p There also exists kinda like an underground society in the game that is farming one specific duty just to get a lot of commendations. If you specifically queue up for that one duty it usually will be an insta queue aswell. The goal here is to find someone else queueing up for it, who also "knows" which always happen, so you can give each other all the commendations while also getting some commendations from people that randomly happen to be here aswell. Then you finish the duty in 30 seconds and requeue.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

This is indeed also true, which certainly doesn't help either! 😂

I hide my burger crown, put "casual" in my adv plate, and turn off my titles. Sprout cosplay

I should have enough accommodations for 7.0 even if they increase the requirement again, but I'm never getting a mentor crown because I know I ain't build for mentoring

Great video as always most recently this video is so important for discussion. Most of the time I see players in random dungeons they are trying to chill. I also know qlot of tanks that run dungeons think differently then those that run ults only

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, and what you do when tanking dungeons is also completely different than ultimates so it makes sense! Thank you! 😊

the amount of times ive seen tank players with maxed out jobs, in maxed out gear (with or without the crown/titles) single pull or not even AOE/know how aggro works in the most basic sense is infuriating

It's funny, theres someone i taught a bunch of 50/70 raids/trials to. I got into ocean fishing recently and... now the roles are reversed, i was absolutely clueless and terrible and they had to mentor me on how to approach the content lol

At the end of the day it’s all memorization - doesn’t matter how good you are at any one instance. As mentioned, someone can also be new to a role or class. I can tank almost any instance without issue (as that was my main) but I’ve recently discovered the fun of DPS and how terrible I can be without tank privilege.. this is also y I don’t even display titles (for myself or others) in my game 95% of the time. Having said all of that, if you are an x legend in an ultimate - I am going to expect far greater from you than someone who isn’t. Your class / role may be new but you should still have a very intimate knowledge of the fight mechanics.. far less leeway there.

This is something that i think a lot of players needed to hear, given the tendency to worship people who have achieved certain things in the game. One thing i would like to extend this to, which i think a lot of raiders need to hear, is parses. Just because someone parses 99 does not mean they are a good raider. It means they know their rotation for that fight and presumably others. A lot of raiders tend to overemphasize parse as the common metric for skill, but there is so much more than that. (I dont say this as someone who is jealous of high parsing players, on the contrary. Ive often had interactions where someone sees that i am a 99 parsing black mage and think that i am automatically good at everything and it really bothers me to see it.)

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Indeed! In fact to elaborate on your example, a really high parse can sometimes even suggest you played in a less helpful way. Like, if you're a summoner, you don't get the high parse by raising allies, that's a healers job! Things like that! But we can never know what happened behind the parse! 😊

Why are people expecting perfect performance based from a title? I thought that this was common sense

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

You'd think so yeah, but there are a lot of things that people blind themselves to when they want someone else to look bad

I've only seen one person where I was so absolutely certain they were a paypal legend, they were a reaper with the TOP weapon and title in week 1 P9S prog pf, and they didn't understand what a clock spot was or how to adjust for the boss channeling ice or fire and would just stand in arbitrary spots.

I've acquired a mentor crown, and i'll be the first to admit that I do suck at some of the harder content. Some level 90 fights I've mastered, like Hesperos, because they have straightforward mechanics that are easy to learn and remember. But then there are some other fights I still struggle with, because you have to pay special attention to the boss, itself (to see what orientation the boss is in, for example, while also reading the attack name to see where the attack will go off) while also trying to keep up with my rotation and other things. It's overwhelming. I did want to get a mentor crown for the additional roulette and mounts, no doubt, but I'm also a nice person *and* I'm good at teaching (I teach and tutor in real life), so I also don't mind distilling knowledge to other people who need it, such that I have learned regarding boss mechanics and general things the game doesn't teach you about how to play. So I have the last two qualities in your list, but when it comes to harder content, even as a mentor I do still struggle with some of it. And as a casual gamer, I absolutely hate content that's too hard so I rarely attempt current savage raids or other extreme content. I just don't find it any fun at all. Not to mention, there are hundreds of fights in the game you need to learn mechanics for, and while some mechanics are shared throughout, some mechanics differ. If it's a colored mechanic, does your color mean you need to enter the same color AoE or opposite color? Well, it depends on the fight. All of these things, as well as just not having an unlimited amount of time to play because I have a life outside FFXIV, goes to mean it's just not feasible for some mentors to be experts at every single fight in the game.

People with clears on ultimates are not infallible. I'm very good at the game but I'm also lazy and never really sought out clearing ultimates. I have done plenty of savage though. I got invited to join a DSR group shortly after it came out. We did end up clearing it eventually. A while after I got dragged into a rubicante extreme. I had never done it before because I had no reason to outside of getting the mount. No time to watch a guide either. My friends dragged me along. I died like 5 times. It was a disaster of a fight but we still cleared in 2 pulls anyway.(safe to say I got carried) I might be good at the game but when I'm doing something I've never done before with no guide I'm gonna make mistakes. Regardless of the title above my head. Hell even with a guide I'm still gonna make mistakes. Practice makes perfect no matter how good at the game you are. The only difference between a great and mediocre player is how much dps you do, how fast you pick up mechanics, and how consistent you are at executing the mechanics. You could be the best player in the world and it doesn't matter. You put them into any hard fight, blind, and they are most certainly going to die. That's how fights are designed in this game. There's a certain amount of trial and error. It was funny though when my friends made the obligatory, "Heaven's legend by the way" joke whenever I died.

You beautifully summed up why I keep my mentor crown turned off. All I did to earn it was play a lot of 100% casual content, like dungeons. I still stand in stupid, I still forget mechanics, I still can't properly execute certain kinds of mechanics no matter what (I suck a geospatial reasoning). I don't want to set up unrealistic expectations or contribute to the general negative meme'ing on mentors. Nor do I need a crown on my head to help people learn, if they're open to it.

7:47 Also sometimes to the newbie or someone who played bad but was at least trying to learn and adjust.

I'm pretty new to FF14 only really started playing it this year, making it my main go-to game when dawntrail hits, set myself a goal of getting a large house, Getting the necromancer title cause i hear its hard to do, and becoming a mentor :) I see mentors getting meme'd on but i genuinely enjoy interacting and helping new players :)

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

Don't let the mentor memes deter you from becoming an actually good mentor! I think it is a great goal to set for yourself! 😁

I'm decent at every job. I used to wear my Ultimate Legend title before I got the thief map "Luckiest of Lords" title that I will never take off. I'm pretty sure I ate the floor multiple times on regular content because I "turned my brain off" during an alliance raid when I had a rough day at work and I was playing Black Mage of all things. I think it's fair to try your best in all the content. But there's a LOT of circumstances on any given day that will explain why a person with at title/crown can absolutely eat shit lmao I don't think people should really associate titles/crowns with people. They're just... people. Unless they're flaunting it in shout or alliance chat and are showing signs of being a Paypal Legend... just be kind to each other. People put Ultimates/PoTD clears on a pedestal too much.

I know my class paladin because I do ultimate content on it, but I rarely run dungeons outside of the msq. I may mess up a mechanic but I’ll always hit my mit and do my rotation lol I also back flipped off a ledge as red mage. Just a regular player. I do feel like I pick up on mechanics fast though and if I do get hit once I won’t get hit by the same thing again On the other hand I know some really good players usually that have cleared at least one ultimate who really know everything about the game. I still personally have a ton to learn if I ever want to

Raiding usually means you are good at losing 600 times or more at a fight with seven other people until the stars aline and you all get it.

That first example is me as a healer. I always end up underestimating the content below lvl 50 and end up dying lol

Been insulted as a PayPal Legend in P8s group for unlocking TOP etc. I have cleared that tier months ago and i haven't done it since a while and they expect me to remember a fight from that while ago.... I blacklisted them instantly after they kicked me out

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

It is quite ironic that they act like that because they forget that people forget. This is a great point also, that just because you beat content ages ago, doesn't mean you always have the memory to spring into action and do it perfectly again, and that should be normal! 😊

I got like 5 comms during Frontlines one match despite being a new drk that was constantly dying by simply.... being a drk. People give them out like candies.

i've chosen my title because it fits me irl, imperial nuisance

Probs my fav video so far. I honestly think ultimate titles and mentor crowns are super tacky and rarely relay what the person actually know aside from being able to do the one task. Necromancers I have solid respect for but never assume they know anything outside of it. The one thing I would say is that a player having a specific title (barring buying them in those rare cases) shows they know how to acquire and do them. A person clearing BA would know how to at least fumble through Eureka, a person clearing DRS will be able to do Bozja and so on. A good example is I have a friend who cleared UWU recently and is rather hot headed but is constantly proved wrong by my friend who basically does only casual content when the ultimate tries to explain casual mechanics. Eden descent being the latest one where they didnt watch the "spell in waiting" buff timers because they assumed it was like savage XD

@CaetsuChaijiCh

5 ай бұрын

That is true! Obviously if there is a prerequisite to clearing something, we'd have to assume the person having the title probably also knows at least a bit about the prerequisite! 😁 Pretty funny about the eden story there! 😂

Another consideration for Mentor crowns, they don't guarantee you have experience with the current state of the game. I have both the crafter/gatherer and combat mentor crowns. I first got them in ShB. For the former I only casually dabble in crafting/gathering and so I have no idea how to craft in EW. My knowledge of such things only got updated up til ShB. For the latter I finished leveling up all jobs relatively early in EW and definitely before they started updating MSQ dungeons. I don't do many roulettes these days and that means I have absolutely no idea how those dungeons play out

that closing comment was SO sassy 😂