This is REALLY good stuff! Exciting that Mel is looking into actual historical info! 😁

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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@ishmaelmcduffey6676

3 жыл бұрын

Love your name lmao

@kafirlindaclark6148

3 жыл бұрын

@@ishmaelmcduffey6676 Thanks! I use Kafir so I get to tell people who ask, what it means. I get to explain that this is a derogatory Islamic term for non Muslims, and is what Muslims call us when were aren't listening hahahahahah!

@issamedin306

3 жыл бұрын

@@kafirlindaclark6148 Kafir is an Arabic word that simply means infidel. It's not "derogatory" anymore than the Christian words infidel and heathen which refer to non-Christians LOL.

@kafirlindaclark6148

3 жыл бұрын

@@issamedin306 Not true! The word "Kafir" means negis, unclean, filthy. And if you look up the definition of Infidel it means unfaithful. I have my whole BEING in my faith in the one True God- YHWH.

Fascinating info. Thanks for sharing the research.

Please translate this debate into Indian languages like Malayalam Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Hindi, Marathi, Bengali, Panjabi, Kashmiri ,etc.You can enlighten more than 1.5 billion people.

@bvshenoy7259

3 жыл бұрын

Simon, why not? Even *Caesar's messiah : The Roman conspiracy to invent Jesus* is to be translated in different world languages for the people to know the facts about fictional Christ. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKF5tcWChcbcqpM.html

@lifethroughromans8295

3 жыл бұрын

@@bvshenoy7259 - You can keep the fictional Christ to yourself who is POWERLESS. If you want the real Christ, the Jesus Christ of the Bible, I can show you His POWER, like right now.

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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@lifethroughromans8295

3 жыл бұрын

@@fakihashami790 - I can dismiss your video in less than 5 seconds and show you why he is God with POWER. Want a bet?

Jay Smith..you have relentlessly pursued the truths for the muslims for over 20 years and its bearing fruit now...GOD BLESS YOU AND DAVID WOOD AND NABEEL QURESHI.

@brantdesmond7448

3 жыл бұрын

Just a shame he won't apply the same pursuit of truth for the New Testament!

@angelboy2901

3 жыл бұрын

@@brantdesmond7448 he has already but he does not have to...thats the difference between new testament and quran...quran claims perfect Preservation and eternal word nonsense....Christians or bible do not claim it at all..

@brantdesmond7448

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelboy2901 No, Jay hasn't. He is a typical christian apologist. He won't apply the same standards to the christian bible that he applies to the quran. Christians claim the gospels are historical facts about Jesus life, death & resurrection. They are nothing more than religious stories & religious propaganda, with no evidence that there is anything historical about the main characters at all. The only claim to historicity is that Pontius Pilate, King Herod & some other minor bit players in the story existed. Just because some actual historical persons end up in a story, does not prove that the whole story is true. If you are going to write a fictional story & make it appear as though it actually happened, of course you are going to weave real historical people & places into the story. Fictional authors do it all the time, including in the Quran!

@jaronimo1976

3 жыл бұрын

@angel boy And Dan Gibson, and Al Fadi!

@angelboy2901

3 жыл бұрын

@@brantdesmond7448 no he has..i dont think u understand. he has done it several times..look..christians including the pope does not beleive that bible is word of god or its perfectly preserved..bible means library of books written by authors who may or may not be perfect in its entirety..quran is different in that sense...they claim in the Quran itself perfect preservation and eternal nature..word of god..thats why the emphasis on historical evidences that claim otherwise...regarding Jesus being a myth is a diff subject.

Fascinating info, this material show us why the Shia muslims celebrating a fight in Karbala in Iraq. It’s most be a part of history from that governor.

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

Remember Ali was also a governor of Hira, so under this theory, he would be a legitimate successor of Muhammad.

@talithacumi8034

3 жыл бұрын

I thought that very interesting point as well.

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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@synczy7307

3 жыл бұрын

No it isn’t. It’s because Husayn Ibn Ali was killed there. Your ignorance is astounding.

Hafs is from Iraq. If the original Mohammed was from Iraq, then it makes sense that they chose this Quran instead of Quraish.

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

@Mahmood Ali Oh, so you say Muhammad did seek an education, and didn't just stay ignorant for 22 years?

@user-yz1dl3eu8l

3 жыл бұрын

@@Speakers154 I've no doubt that you're going to end up comprehending that "Muhammad" has never existed at all (in Iyas form or not) and that he is not the writer of the Quran and not needed in the take over of the territories. You've already found interesting things whereas you're not trained. I advice you to be more prudent with the sources: those ones has to be validated by other sources. Sebeos is not validated by any other sources in the 7th c. Therefore he is later, middle 8th c. He already knows some Muslims accounts which will be recounted in the 9th c. Yes Iraq is the key point in this search. But there is no Muhammad/Iyas: there's Arabs in revolt vs the Persians since 602 and with their defeat to Heraclius they take advantage of it to crush them more and more. I let you discover the rest.

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

Again, I consider Robert Hoyland is a better judge on this than you and he gives very strong reasons for his acceptance of its 660s dating.

@jakeflake3841

3 жыл бұрын

David wood manipulating kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5mHzNetftXRY5M.html

@user-yz1dl3eu8l

3 жыл бұрын

@@Speakers154 It is not Robert Hoyland that you have to follow, it is your own work but on solid bases. These ones are not to follow this or that but to be able to make your own judgment. For this you need to work intensively the topic and the methodology. It is not because someone says this or that about a source that it is true. For your information, Hoyland has no response to give to what I say about my doubts of 640/660 for Sebeos apart the consensus of scholarship. The consensus of scholarship (including Hoyland, read his last book)) is to believe in Mecca/Kaba in the Peninsula. Hoyland is not the great scholar that you think; behind the hype that he promotes eagerly (Crone, etc) there is a very conventional scholar who is totally agree with the traditional account.

This is very, very, very interesting. I like the analogy with superman. Looks like the story of Muhammad is going on a new trajectory from now onwards. Thank you Jay.

This so fascinating! Thank you Mel for doing this work, and thank you Jay for promoting this historical analysis.

Isn't the phenomenon of how the historic Iyas ibn Qabisah, the Mahmet of the Tay'i, the First Arab king was mythicized and romanticised into the Muhammed of Islam, as the Arabs took off the Abdul Malik Muhammad from 690 to the 9th century as stories and fables become embellished and fabricated and told and retold around Arab campfires until ibn Bukhari and ibn Ishak and ibn Hisham started collecting and compiling or even fabricating themselves.

@ericthegreat7805

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@jannmutube

3 жыл бұрын

Did the Byzantine Emperor, Heraclius, not understand what he saw in the stars when he said, "I saw that the leader of those who practice circumcision had appeared (become the conqueror)." ? The leader of those who practice circumcision is Yahweh. Stephen McEveety The Star of Bethlehem kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4Ku0LKEmcWqnNI.html

@ngatatan2597

3 жыл бұрын

@@jannmutube objectively the practise of ceremonial circumcision is not exclusively confined to the Jews or the Abrahamist Arab.

@khalil2kh

3 жыл бұрын

I would like to know about Ibn bokhari sounds interesting

@jannmutube

3 жыл бұрын

@@ngatatan2597 ---- > Nevertheless, the practice of circumcision came from Yahweh. Watch the video and see what Heraclius was missing.

Anything to drive another nail in the coffin for the cult of the butcher.

@alanmcnaughton3628

3 жыл бұрын

This mammoth chat may be helpful in that regard This evidence might prick a few bubbles and splatter heaps of those fake up books that claim to be a unique & perfectly preserved book from that hand in a cave who's owner was illiterate. Nice try Mo but nobody's buying it after those 37 versions jumped out of their jack in a box hidy holes. David Wood & Jay Smith chop the credibility ladder from under Islam. 37 Arabic Korans discovered all different. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fpqbuJucfsmXpsY.html

@alanmcnaughton3628

3 жыл бұрын

@Aziz Ahmad the admonition from the pen of the apostle John is Bible. Revelation 18:4 [4]And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. The enemy to "protest-ant" Christianity is the devil his willing minions sign up using their own blood as you will read here. www.alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/jesuitoath.html After clicking the link you will see that this was presented before the 62nd Congress meeting in 1913 then the pages were torn from the record. Does this raise any red flags??? You may or may not have looked into the involvement of Catholicism being the ones who instigated Islam which Walter Veith explained in this link kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYd8x9CMlq_OYtY.html the Islamic-vatican connection 42 minutes shriners And if that's not enough solid evidence, then maybe this will help? archive.org/stream/HowTheVaticanCreatedIslam/How-the-Vatican-Created-Islam_djvu.txt You guys are mere pawns to these hell seekers.

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

@Aziz Ahmad kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4ttm7dterq0dcY.html

Fantastic job you are winning souls to the Lord Jesus Christ.

@ShepherdsHook

3 жыл бұрын

@Clandestino for proof Islam only has the hammer of groundless fake claims, ridicule, threats, and violence. Christianity has support of academia, and outside historical proofs. Even Mecca has no past.

@ShepherdsHook

3 жыл бұрын

@Clandestino "The New Testament manuscripts have a much better attachment than any other written work of antiquity." -Bart Ehrman There are 5,900 original language New Testament manuscripts, as of 8/21/20- Dr Daniel Wallace director, Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts CSNTM. That also there are an additional 20,000 early manuscripts translated into other languages. That yes there are variants. But the number "significant" varients in the 5,900 manuscripts are 1,400 and since are many redundant duplicate verses supporting essential Christian doctrine. There is no ground for any real challenge.

@ShepherdsHook

3 жыл бұрын

@Clandestino Bible corrupt conspiracy nutjobs Here's the theory The argument is that some faction of the Church (obviously representing the majority as this view won): Wanted the trinity formula in Matthew. Willfully altered manuscripts of Matthew 28:19. Sought out and destroyed all manuscripts of Matthew 28:19 containing the short reading. Then went through the writings of the Ante-Nicean Fathers and altered their quotations of Matthew, destroying all other copies. * However, these conspirators, who had so little respect for Scripture that they altered it and were so careful as to destroy every copy of Matthew with the short reading, left intact the so-called original verse in Luke 24:47 (which is not a baptismal formula and is not a parallel to Matthew 28:19)* and all references to Jesus' name baptism in Acts and the Epistles! If this willful alteration is being done in Matthew, why stop there? Why not change Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 8:12, 16; 10:48; and 19:5? These five verses in Acts all refer to Jesus' name baptism or being baptized in Jesus' name (once, in the name of our Lord). None of them have textual variants of a trinitarian formula. Logically, if the conspirators made the change once, they would make the change in other places. At the time which this conspiracy is supposed to have taken place (Nicea, AD 325), the de-facto canon had been used and recognized since Iraneus. Matthew, Luke, and Acts were already recognized as Scripture. *Matthew 28 takes place in Galillee while Luke's is in Jerusalem. Luke contains only statements of repentance and remission of sins while Matthew also speaks of teaching and baptism. Another failing of this conspiracy is that they missed Eusebius, one of their contemporaries. Eusebius was a trinitarian and a powerful figure in the church. Yet, while they changed all quotations of Matthew 28:19 from the short to long in all the Ante-Nicean Church Fathers, they missed a few places in Eusebius but got his others. How did they manage to get all of the others yet miss some of one of their own? If this were a conspiracy, it was a rather inept conspiracy as it left intact so many other verses in Scripture while managing to replace all versions of Matthew 28:19 with the new one. *credit Frank Luke I do not have rhe NIV. But have a vast warehouse of information on the Trinity, greek word for "threeness". Now before you get hung up on words used to describe a truth found in scripture. Islam also has at least one word like that also, "Tawheid". And I can point to other words used in christian systematic theology that are not found in the body of scripture. Let us continue along that path islamic polemics is mired in. If we cannot use any word not found in the Bible or Koran not in the original language. Then most of what we say about either is invalid. Can you follow that reasoning? Yes it is taking your argument to it's logical conclusion.

@riyadhf1rdausehh

3 жыл бұрын

he sure did.

@parrishquick2265

3 жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work!

Seems like Muhammad is the Arabian version of King Arthur.

@markpeter1968

3 жыл бұрын

or maybe the Scarlett pimpernel. they seek em here they seek em there

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

A great parallel!

@CharlesCherub

3 жыл бұрын

I've made that comparison myself. In fact I think like Arthur there are multiple real historical people over time lending their stories to the mythical Mohammed, and I supposed genesis of that myth is probably two people, the religious teacher of Sebeos' account and the Warlord of the Doctrini Jacobi, which is reflected in the distinction in the the korans, "Meccan and Medinan"

@neilsavage8915

3 жыл бұрын

The expert at groping and moon splitting someone in a cave.

@CharlesCherub

3 жыл бұрын

​@Probyn Chadwick That's true Arthur is virtuous in the schema of the Judeo-Christian morality, at least in the medieval period, but as wicked as Mohammed's behaviour appears in that lens, by Islam standards Mohammed is the perfect example of conduct. What is also true however of Arthur is that his mythology includes embarrassing stories, he was a product of rape, he was cuckolded by his best friend, he had an affair with his half-sister that resulted in a son, Mordred who mortally wounds him.

Jay Smith, you carry your cross well, good and faithful servant of Christ Jesus.

@amineelveteran6102

3 жыл бұрын

@Jon Doe he is an incompétent missonary

@fataltruth6000

3 жыл бұрын

@@amineelveteran6102 I know it's hard to hear the truth, especially if you've been lied to for your entire lifetime, so your anger should be directed at those who lied to you all your life, not at the historians digging up historical facts. Do your own research and refute them with counter arguments based on your evidence, otherwise come to Christ and make peace with the Prince of Peace,who is also known as the Truth.

@brantdesmond7448

3 жыл бұрын

@@fataltruth6000 Same goes for christians. Been lied to their whole life, now cant accept the truth that the gospels are fictional!

@MU-we8hz

3 жыл бұрын

@@brantdesmond7448 hahahaha! Back your claims up, back them up.

@brantdesmond7448

3 жыл бұрын

@@MU-we8hz Can you provide any evidence at all that the gospels AREN'T fictional? Do you have any contemporary non-biblical source that can attest to anything that Jesus is supposed to have done in his lifetime, or that even mentions Jesus having existed at all? The gospels have all of the hallmarks of fiction. The reason people writing about mythical events wait until at least 40 years after the purported events took place before writing about them, is because they want to make sure that nobody who was alive at the time can dispute their claims!

I would love to hear Mohammed Hijab try to weasel out an excuse for this historic dating and his so called scholars knowledge of historical text...

@interqward1

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I want to hear him say 'Wallahi you're finished...!' Seven more times.

@queserasera6580

3 жыл бұрын

These topics will be too taxing on hijab's intelligence. He may go into a coma.

@kentlong4276

3 жыл бұрын

@@queserasera6580 (LOL)!!!👏

@brantdesmond7448

3 жыл бұрын

@Sophia Agape Can you blame him for using the same tactics Christian apologists do? Muslims see how Christian apologists defend their faith with deceit & lies, so they copy the Christian playbook!

@khalil2kh

3 жыл бұрын

It's called history manipulation and Christians are very know of it it's like those 2000+ manuscript that don't match with each other

Maybe I missed this, but isn't it interesting that tradition has him receiving revelation in the cave of HIRA whereas this theory has the real Muhammad having a seat of power in the city of HIRA. Possibly a later retro-fitting of remembered history into the sanitised narrative of the Quran and later supposed "recollections" of his associates.

@abj136

3 жыл бұрын

They did call that out. yes.

@kevinappleton3737

3 жыл бұрын

abj thanks... I guessed they must have, but l must have switched off (twice) when they covered it.

Mel and Jay, fantastic work! I was aware of Patricia Crone's hypothesis about early Islam. How many of the details Mel has discovered are new compared to hers and other historians?

The part of Sebeos account that always stands out to me is Mahmed taught : >> Because the command had come from on High, he ordered them all to assemble together and to unite in faith. Abandoning the reverence of vain things, *they turned toward the living God, who had appeared to their father-Abraham*.

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

Good point!

@jakeflake3841

3 жыл бұрын

David wood manipulating kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5mHzNetftXRY5M.html

@MAYBE673

5 ай бұрын

If you're trying to say that he might have meant Christ, it is far fetched conclusion in my opinion just from Sebeos's description.

@CharlesCherub

5 ай бұрын

​@@MAYBE673 Nope. I don't believe God the Son of God modulated into the Angel of the LORD, rather see Hebrews 1:1 My point is in Islam, God does not enter creation. However, this account suggests that whatever this proto-Mohammed taught followed the accounts in Genesis, which show God entering creation and meeting Abraham. The Koran, as it is a work of invention and plagiarism, also describes God entering creation; it does so when it borrows the story of Moses and the Burning Bush. But that's Islam, inherently self-contradicting.

Awesome 👏 congratulations 🎉 Mel, God bless take care on your bike tour. I luv this research, I’m gonna refer to this when I do my research ❤️❤️❤️❤️

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

very kind. The tour is done.

Dr. Smith, will you give permission to translate this video to Indonesian language? I think this info should be spread to Indonesia, the largest muslims community in the world!

@pfanderfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, feel free to translate any of these videos into any language you can, and then post them up on your sites

@metot1

3 жыл бұрын

@@pfanderfilms Wonderful. Thank you very much, I will notify @PRAEDICATOR VERITATIS, he/she has a wonderful translation work!

Iyas not elyas dear Dr. Smith, after all it was a great Video.. also it's one from many historical and linguistic evidences that show that "Arabs" are not a national or a human race, but here we talk about a polar side, and we "who know the Arabic language" know that Friday was called "Àroubta/ Arouba" and it is derived from the Christian Syriac, where this day became known as a day The sunset of the sun (Great Friday or Passion Friday, and in Syriac, which it used in Akkedian as well as, erebu meaning Sunset) and this also refers to the sunset as a polar destination, and this name continued even after the completion of the Arabic language formulation in Iraq between the schools of Kufa and Basra, and this can be observed in the Arabic poems at those days, so it is natural for the Arminian's sources to name these peoples the Western peoples while the Jews call them as It is mentioned in The Doctrina Jacobi (636 AD) in the form of Saracen / Saraken, which is a Syriac word meaning Eastern people "Sharqen".

Abd Al Malik said he would give the Arabs a history. I guess he did just that.

@noelmaguire4074

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant research, keep on exploring, keep it factual, grounded, Muslims are depending on just revealing the facts truthfully, and sincerely, not for victory sake, but for truth. God bless Mel, Jay, and company.

@jarrygarry5316

3 жыл бұрын

Also thanks to Robert Spencer.His research is also fascinating and have good reference and deduction.

This is treasure - soon, we must make a movie out of it - like Dan Gibson’s movie “Sacred City” - there needs to be the sequel - “Muhammad al-Taii”. Shabir Ally is going to explode 😏

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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@R-rr1

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@lishanmulugeta4589

19 күн бұрын

That is a wonderful suggestion.

Thank you, Jay and Mel!

Fantastic find! Great work!

Muslims claiming major 6 Manuscripts as Uthman 652AD Quran...we all know those Manuscripts are attributed to Hafs Quran Hafs is from Iraq, which is not Qureysh dialect...but what about Warsh, do we have Manuscripts of Warsh and other 30+ Qurans which Ms.HatunTash found where are those Manuscripts of those 36 Qurans

@pfanderfilms

3 жыл бұрын

We don't have any of the original manuscripts for any of the 30 Qira'at Qur'ans, so all we have is attributions of the 30 by the Muslims. Since they weren't chosen until 936 and 1429, it could be that they are from then, and not the 8th century. What a mess the Qur'an is in!

@krishnakarthik6472

3 жыл бұрын

@@pfanderfilms Thankyou Dr.JaySmith

@livepoetic390

3 жыл бұрын

PfanderFilms where can I buy different versions of the quran? I would like to investigate this matter myself some time.

@RM-fs8ub

3 жыл бұрын

The puzzlement I had from the early 90s on the current narrative preservation when the hadeeths say otherwise is now being answered. Kept my skepticism on and glad for the gift called curiosity.

@livepoetic390

3 жыл бұрын

Daffy thank you for the information. I greatly appreciate it. 🙏🏼

I did some research on why Iyas was made interim governor of Hirah. The reason for that is because in 590 when khosrow was running away to take refuge in Roman Empire from Bahram Choobin the commander of Persian Army, Iyas helped khosrow and facilitated his escape by giving him horse and food for the journey. Khosrow came back to the power from 591- 628, in that period he made Iyas a Lord and gave him 4000 troops!

@moorek1967

3 жыл бұрын

Did you know it is recorded that Khosrow and Mohammad were both born and died the same years? Hmm, and the coins minted of Khosrow has a man married to a little girl on the backside. I suspected for a long time that they were talking about Khosrow in a lot of the hadiths.

@hamdamradio

3 жыл бұрын

moorek1967 No I didn’t know. Do you have a source please?

@moorek1967

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamdamradio Wow, so I have to do your homework for you?

@hamdamradio

3 жыл бұрын

moorek1967 Haha, you claimed something, I asked you to prove it with your source! If you can’t, then it’s a empty claim like the prophethood of Mo!

@moorek1967

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamdamradio Are you that f---- stupid? Get over it and research it yourself.

Incredibly interesting place to start what I imagine will be a bountiful conversation. Love to you all.

Hi Jay, Excellent exposition....Your theory of Man and the Book in retrospect is best fitting explaination

Thank you It's no doubt that the choosing of hafs Quran was to cement the history of the Iraq's So Saudi Arabia is just a pie

Dr. Mel is great🤙🏽 Thanx Dr Jay Smith😃

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

There is only one doctor and that's Jay. I'm just a "patient" man. 🤣

@kq1993

3 жыл бұрын

Sneaker's Corner no sir, you have your own position and Jay has his own! Deep respect revealing the truth.

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

@@kq1993 well thank you, but entirely unmerited in my case. I see myself only as someone trying to clear a logjam but others will clean up the finer points.

Congratulations guys. This is an awesome presentation. It also covers the two periods in Korean- the peaceful vs warlord periods

Excellent video and information

'Numerous were their superstitions and they were the most ignorant of all the people of the earth.' Case closed. That's them.

@ihateyankees3655

3 жыл бұрын

not much has changed

@khalil2kh

3 жыл бұрын

I know man , Christianity like always , it's better to take drugs than be Christian well after thinking about it any. Thing is better than Christianity

@interqward1

3 жыл бұрын

@@khalil2kh Aaaah, I dunno so much, Khalil. You are into markets - think about this: Moses saw God when there were no cameras and so that was a long time ago (IE 'jam yesterday'), and Allah will give you 72 virgins when you die if He pleases, even though no one much can get on with women on the planet now (IE 'jam tomorrow'), and only Jesus Christ talks about the 'wise maidens' staying away TONIGHT. Only Christianity talks about the prospect of 'jam today' (now even in this life and thereafter too, in the next...') Admittedly, there are not too many Christians who even KNOW what Jesus said inside the cenacle address.

@khalil2kh

3 жыл бұрын

@@interqward1 Moses never saw God , no one can see god and live in this earthly body , and in heaven you live for eternity so one or a hundred women won'ta make that much of difference it's not only about sex , and christ himself had god prayed to a god , yet our friends the chrum sect keeps saying lose your mind and follow me

@interqward1

3 жыл бұрын

@@khalil2kh Why 'lose your mind?' That is what Muslims do; are told to do. Jesus Christ says lose your materialistic ego, not your mind - He says you have to be of sound mind. Moses saw God, what are talking about?? He spoke with God face-to-face; it was the Hebrews who basically still did not do as they were advised afterwards, and consequently got sent round the desert for forty years! The Apostles attested that Moses was with Jesus at the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor. You are incorrect. Moses physical body was never 'found' or 'recovered.' If you see God you MUST necessarily live, not die. God is LIFE.

Another great presentation.

Great show, great work by Mel..

This is some fascinating work. If Abd al-Malick in fact used Iyas Ibn Qabisah as a template the historical timeline would make a lot of sense. Amazing work!!

How is this finding jives with the geology and geographic descriptions of where the “prophet” supposedly lived described in Quran and the direction of the original qiblat which Dan Gibson, I believe, pointed out that the original Mecca is Petra?

@here_we_go_again2571

3 жыл бұрын

Mohammad may have been a composite figure of the warlord of this video and a religious leader in Medina and Petra (See my original post in this video discussion area) Don't forget to check out the last paragraph of the last numbered item.

@alanmcnaughton3628

3 жыл бұрын

The first part of this lecture deals with the pharaoh of the exodus , which Egypt tried to hide. From about the hour mark it swings into the life of Mohammed who is believed to have lived near Petra INTERESTING. m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4Oro5uFYKy_Y6w.html

@PGHEngineer

2 ай бұрын

It's a syncretic religion. The idol worship of the black rock is a separate religious strand to the Mohammed story. They've been knitted together to please two different groups of believers, but with an Arab prophet at the top. Of course, there are other strands of religion woven into the quran. I feel that in many ways the idol worship of the black rock is actually the big give-away to the nature of this religion.

In his book "the deception of Allah" Christian Prince also has some really shocking revelations about Mohammeds background .(book available on PDF )

Excellent exposition, Mel. Thank you.

Great Enjoyed your talk.

Excellent research THANK YOU

You really should get a better mike - it always sounds so tinnie.

@lkae4

3 жыл бұрын

slamRN So picky, sister 😆

@JRRodriguez-nu7po

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, all his guests sound much better. This is an easy cheap fix.

@dcmhsotaeh

3 жыл бұрын

The sound effect is kind of hurtful to ears

@theman8070

3 жыл бұрын

Donate so he can buy a proper microphone

@susetiochanel8535

3 жыл бұрын

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Good to see that you are back. Welcome back Jay.

I very much enjoyed listening to this presentation. I would love to have scholars on Islam to hear this and address the points that Mel made.

Interesting but I can't help wondering how different the claimed "real" has to be from the "orthodox" before you call BS on it. If Islam started in what is now Iraq, rather than Arabia, it would help explain how it appeared to spread so quickly. My theory is that a lot of what we think we know about Muhammad is the work of a satirist who was trying to create a fictional worst possible man, an example of what NOT to do. That would explain why so much of the orthodox account is shoddy, if not disgusting.

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree. The Persians were the hadith writers. They didn't like the Arabs ruling them.

@NM-fp4iz

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is this, The Christians made Jesus God The Muslims made Muhammad the Devil. Both are innocent from what the scribes wrote with "their" hand!

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

@@NM-fp4iz I think we need to avoid thinking that what is true for Islam is true for Christianity. It is chalk and cheese. Islam is unique in having an engrained culture of deceit that is hard to find a close second on even among the cults.

@marcelmolenaar5684

3 жыл бұрын

I am friended with an anti-Zionist rabbi. Yes believe it there are many. I borrowed so many books. Many contradictions but with all stories I have read I have learned what must be true and what are lies. Muhammed wrote the Quran for the same reason Adolf Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. We are told / we learn that Jihad is war, it isn't. Jihad means ; Strive for peace. Mein Kampf means ; Strive for peace. You will probably call me something like a liar but the truth is you can't handle the truth. Muhammed ran of from the wars somewhere between 600AD and 700AD to a cave where always was fire coming from holes in the cave (close to a silk route ) ( That tribe robbed people on the silk route. In Georgia they have a song about white rabbits and a fox ( look for black fox but don't believe ms Dietrich made a film about the Wild West , it's a lie. In that cave he met a man whom said that his tribe were ruthless savages and that man brought him 'The Old Testament of Palestine' Muhammed took pages out of that book and listened to what that man had to say ( I leave out his name ) The man told about kidnapping a dark skinned rabbi from Ethiopia named Daniel. Daniel was so upset about his kidnapping that he taught lies to that tribe that later became the Talmud. The tribe whom robbed people on the silk route were not really defeated but they kept murdering many other tribes like what is now Georgia some people of the tribe settled in Odessa and some followed a river called the Danube where people of that tribe settled somewhere near. Those people created a language called Yidish.. Well anyway a have a lot more to tell but I'll create a website. The problem in the world in politics and wars and so on is because of Zionist Jews. Watch the movie 300, it is a message based on true history but the 300 where invited by Theodor Herzl in Basel. Well anyway maybe I will add some history-facts later.

@marcelmolenaar5684

3 жыл бұрын

@A Kelly Iran and Iraq was created by Sikes and Picot

Great job mel and jay

Thanks a lot for these wonderful historical information

Wow! Very interesting material.

Your theory about Muhammad and Muawiya being competing leaders of interesting because of the following narration in the Shia Hadith collection: Sharh Nahjul Balagha 5/129-130- Among the indications of Muawiyah’s malice towards Holy Prophet (S) is the matter that Matraf bin Mughairah has narrated: “I went to Muawiyah along with my father. My father used to visit him often and upon returning speak about Muawiyah and his intelligence, and he used to be astonished at him. Finally when he returned one night he did not even eat his dinner and I found him depressed. I waited for a while thinking that this depression was only because of something related to us. At last, I asked him, ‘Why do you look so aggrieved tonight?’ he replied, ‘Today I am coming from the worst infidel and the vilest person.’ I asked, ‘Who is that?’ My father replied, ‘Today, I told him (Muawiyah) in private: O Master of the faithful! You have reached an age when it would have been better if you had acted justly and nicely and looked at your brothers (i.e. Bani Hashim) with kindness and improved relations with them. By Allah! Today they have nothing, which you may fear and you shall always be praised due to this good deed and rewarded by Allah.’ Muawiyah said, ‘Alas! Alas! How can I hope for the endurance of remembrance? See, a man of the Teem tribe (i.e. Abu Bakr) became a ruler. He acted justly and did what he should have done, till he finally died, and with him his memory also perished; just his name, Abu Bakr remains. Then a man from Adi tribe (i.e. Umar) became the ruler. He struggled for many years till he finally died and his memory also ended, except that just his name is mentioned as Umar. But see how the name of Ibn Abi Kabsha58 is called out five times a day: “I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God.” Now after this which deed of mine and name shall endure? By Allah, there is none except Him, except that they shall be buried (destroyed)."

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

That part there was very interesting indeed: "But see how the name of Ibn Abi Kabsha is called out five times a day: “I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God.” Now after this which deed of mine and name shall endure? By Allah, there is none except Him, except that they shall be buried (destroyed)." Ibn Abi Kabsha is a play on Ibn Kabisha.

@christianfrommuslim

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I love it! We so seldom hear from the Shiite sources. When we think on it, the Shiite hadith should be as good or better than Sunni, because of the locations they traditionally have inhabited. I have supposedly the the largest English translation of NaHjul Balagha, and don't recall seeing that. But I will look for it now. Have you or Mel found similar in al Kafi of Shiites?

@christianfrommuslim

3 жыл бұрын

Brother Syed, also don't miss the connection between Muslim sacrifice of Eid al AdHa and the sacrifices of the Jews, and the Christians' claim that Isa/Jesus is the prophesied final sacrifice: www.christianfrommuslim.com/gospel-video-tract-for-muslims/

Thank you very much guys, God bless you immensely for your work. Watching Dan Gibson's videos and your videos has given me a taste for archaeology, getting to the root of things. I thought that the Arabs were not good at recording their history, fortunately regarding Iyas' life, there is evidence to show that this guy did live but he is not the Mmd that muslims believe him to be, I feel sorry for muslims all the more after watching this. They need to come home to the real person who is the Jesus of the Bible.

@christianfrommuslim

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed brother. That is the best result of this exposure. We need to love those stumbling in darkness and share the truth with them. These free videos show you how. 2 minute intro: www.christianfrommuslim.com/introductory-video/ We believe the best way to explain the gospel to them is through the sacrifices and prophets we share, as in this excellent video tract: www.christianfrommuslim.com/gospel-video-tract-for-muslims/

This is great research. Honestly, this has been a theory going around for a long while.

God bless you dear sir, keep it up. Sir.

Really interesting, thank you. Question, how do you synthesise this theory with the strong hints of a Nabatean context that has been previously discussed?

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

I will offer a synthesis in coming video.

@jonahtisamphd.6101

2 жыл бұрын

Muslims scholars should have asked this question publicly and answer it. Why are they silent? Is it because it is one of the topics that have a REDLINE? They can only find the truth if they ask this question. Similarly, they should ask " who is Allah", and " Where does the Qura'n originates from"? Without answers to these questions Muslims will never know the truth.

How is Iyas connected with Petra since in your previous videos, you stated that the description of Mecca in the Quran fits Petra?

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

With Jay's permission, I can come back and tie up those loose ends and show you how Petra ties in with this thesis. The Iraqi thesis that I can present will locate where the "Madina" trope comes from historically, will explain the real reason for the AH dating, and most importantly give compelling evidence for who the qur'an's audience really was and where it was produced initially, and it wasn't in a Mecca as some imagine but somewhere else.

@yakovmatityahu

3 жыл бұрын

@@Speakers154 hello please link the theory of Muhammed from Iraq about what he was doing in Petra...please we are waiting.

Thank you Jay for this very revealing presentation. GBU RICHLY!!!

Awesome findings on the Book & the man!!

Great work sir love what you have done for Us in the name of the Lord Thank you

GREAT that you add specific references for documentation. Too many rely on "Allah said" or "Muhammad said." Religious traditions become sacred cows.

Thank you! GBU

Dr.Jay thank you for all the work you do educating the world about Islam. You should buy a microphone (there is very cheap one) the audio quality would get so much better. 🙏

So interesting! It seems so obvious!! Nevertheless, I’ll reserve judgment for the time being because the repercussions are HUGEEEE

A fascinating presentation. Surah 59:21 seems to imply the quran *wasn't* revealed on a mountain

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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Epiccc stuff

Awesome thanks

Jay, I have ALWAYS loved your Pfander Films presentations but I have to say today's episode has to be my favourite. Just when I thought that nothing could beat Dan Gibson's discoveries on Mecca/Petra and the Qibla direction(s) Mel comes up with something even more spectacular and like Gibson's arguments; Mel's hang together astoundingly well. The traditional accounts of Middle Eastern ancient history have collapsed thanks to you, Al Fadi, Hatoun Tash (including her over-sized coffee mug), Mel, David Wood and I'm sure a host of others who have recently been working on these issues. I would like to make a special call-out to Robert Spencer who first brought it to public awareness in 2012, through his book 'Did Muhammad Exist', that Muhammad was more likely a sobriquet than a person's name. That takes nothing away from Mel's investigation which essentially had to make that presumption in order for his investigation to work itself out to its logical conclusion which resulted in today's presentation. I just want to give Mr. Spencer priority on the claim. In fairness, Robert Spencer in the opening of his book made it clear that nothing he presented was NEW or INNOVATIVE. It was all based on Western scholarship on Islam; some of which was done in the early part of the 19th century. So, I suspect the sobriquet idea may finds its origins back then. Whatever the case, thanks to all listed in this comment. You have changed the world and for the better.

@BaibonnDilangalenSangid-fv9qk

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder why the search and insistence that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) was in Petra?? Petra was discovered in 19th century. All His life Prophet Muhammad (PbuH) was in Makkah a camel shepherd. He engaged trading. . . . Makkah was constructed by Abraham and his eldest son Ismael by his Egyptian wife, Hagar. Kaabah is built on a place where a water spring when Ismael left in the desert was hungry and thirsty. Accordingly, a water (called Zamzam) came out near the feet of a child Ismael then Hagar feed the child by her hand with the water. Years after, Prophet Abraham called his son to help him build a house of His god, thus the Kaabah was built, near the Spring of Zamzam, the water still exists till today in Kaabah. Khalid ibn Walid is Christian who converted to Islam under Abu Bakr' do not refer him as Prophet Muhammad. . .

@mhorram

3 жыл бұрын

@@BaibonnDilangalenSangid-fv9qk Hi B.D.S. Thank you for your reply. I have to say your comments have no bearing on the issue EXCEPT this: Petra wasn't discovered in the 19th century. It had been visited by the crusaders and before that by Roman Emperor Hadrian who may have 'coined' the name Petra (which is the Latinized form of the Greek word for stone) and did so literally when he minted coins with his name on the obverse (i.e. front side of the coin) and the name of the city (i.e. the name he gave to the city) on the reverse (back side of the coin). For more details see this article on one such coin: en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces86119.html The term 'discovered' is used for Petra because the city itself was blocked off from the non-Muslims after the crusades ended and remained so until in 1812 Swiss traveler, Johann Ludwig Burckhardt, tricked his way into the fiercely guarded site by pretending to be an Arab from India wishing to make a sacrifice at the tomb of the Prophet Aaron. You may have actually asked the right question but in the wrong way. Why was Petra so fiercely guarded over the centuries? Well, if you have been following archaeologist Dan Gibson's research and Dr. Jay Smith & company's research; the answer to that question is to prevent the discovery of a hidden truth about Petra . . . it is the lost city of Mecca. Modern day Mecca in Arabia was created later. As has been pointed out by many, Dr. Jay Smith included, that Dr. Patricia Crone, who had access to almost all of the trading documents from the trade routes (caravans etc.) of this period, found NO REFERENCE TO MECCA until the middle of the eighth century! This claim has been born up in modern times. Mecca is currently under construction and NO archaeological evidence has turned up in that city. In fact, the Saudi government is making NO EFFORT to have archaeologists on the construction site to protect artifacts that may be dug up by the construction equipment. Strange that that should be the case seeing as Islam claims this to be the first and therefore the oldest city. This is the city where Muhammad was born and this is the city were Kadijah's house is/was found. [By the way, Petra is turning up archaelogical information all the time and the foundations of that city apparently do go back as far as 9,000 BC! I'll tell you where I put my bets when it comes down to which of these two cities is the original (real) Mecca and it won't be the one in Arabia. As far as I can see, Islam's origin stories are fabrications and there are some within Islam who know this. That is why Petra was protected from western eyes, and why historical sites (like Mecca) are being destroyed by Muslims themselves. Not all Muslims, obviously, but a small and powerful group who know the actual history of this religion. A history, if revealed, would lose it Islam adherents by the tens of millions! I suggest you watch Dan Gibson's "The Sacred City". It can be found on KZread here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5Z1zaexk6zanNI.html This documentary should remove the veil from your eyes. The early history of Islam has too many holes to be even remotely believable and the Muslims have been doing their best to hide this fact for hundreds of years. It would be worth your while to find all the Dr. Jay Smith videos on KZread and refer to them. The ones produced in the last two years are exceptionally useful. You will learn a lot if you do this. You don't have to accept all that he says but the information he presents should raise questions in your mind. If Islam is a true religion it will survive those questions. Christianity has been under such scrutiny for at least three hundred years. It has survived the questions leveled against it. I don't think that Islam can survive such a scrutiny. Good Luck!

@BaibonnDilangalenSangid-fv9qk

3 жыл бұрын

@@mhorram Whether you are convinced on my reply or not, doesn't matter to me. People like you are too opinionated, of course you're entitled to it. Trying to debunk Islamic belief, by introducing garbage evidence? We read that, people will assail the belief, our answer take it or leave it. Others even crafted Clash of civilization?? Or democratizing Islam, heck islam is the standard bearrer of Justice, Human Rights, Ecological rights etc. In fact, The state of Prophet Muhammad pbuH is the first to write Constitution, define citizen, ruler and even slaves rights and duties. Archeology are out to make money at the expense of sacred place, display human skulls in museums, you have no respect for burial grounds.. ...proving the existence??? So what, Prophet Muhammad tomb is in Arabia, some relics like his things pens are in Istanbul. Prophet Abraham's shrine in Sanliurfa are testament of his existence and oppression... done to him, the Cave of 7 sleepers are there so with Jonah tombs. Ever wonder why it was entrusted under the care of Muslims? God is confident it wont be distorted, it will be seen as is, no adulterated, no drama and alterations. Gibson is trying to invent lies, diverting Makkah to be in Petra? Heck Islam is not about grandeur palaces, see grand al Andalusian, Allah swt vanished the Muslims who succumbed to idolatry of edifices. Fyi, since the construction of Kaabah by Prophet Abraham and Ismael his eldest son with Egyptian wife Hagar... that place becomes house of gods by all tribes. Proof that it is same Makkah, built by Abraham and Ismael... The presence of a water that spring called, Zamzam when Hagar and son Ismael left by Prophet Abraham in the desert without sustenance or food. Hagar prayed, when her son Ismael profusely cried, the a water spring from near his feet. Said water Zamzam spring are still in Makkah near black stone. Prophet Muhammad pbuH didnt invent that story, it was revealed to him... Angel Gabriel would appear to instruct Him, those matters are not written in any religious books, only in the Quran they are written. Of course, Muslims knows that Allah swt created three special creations, Angels, Jinns and Humans the vicegerent of Allah swt / god on earth. Of all Prophet only Prophet Sulayman /is blessed to have seen jinn and could communicate with them? Not all Prophets are Messengers, the special one are Abraham, (Tablet) Moses, (Torah) David, (Psalm) Jesus, (Bible) and Muhammad (Quran) ... except for Prophets Muhammad and Adam all Messenger's tombs are Hebron and Jerusalem.. Jerusalem is the first Qibla of the Muslims then eventually changed to Makkah. Of all the religions, Prophet Muhammad activities is well documented. Despite the fact he was illiterate he has literate documenter and archivist, Quran is separated and the Prophet would instruct it, so with sunnah and haddith... The guarding of the Quran is guaranteed that is why it is memorize over and over in same lyrical and rhythmical fashion. Ayesha the youngest wife is one of the chief memorizer, Seerah the Study of Prophet Muhammad pbuH life is two semesters.. All the details, complete with Bibliography number and citation are still intact, since it was revealed and narrated, that one you have to study in Madinah.. The Quran said, thousands of civilizations far better than what we have now, more superior were destroyed by Allah swt due to herdlessness and disobedience. A Muslims is not mesmerized by new findings - - - thus they are kept. that is out respect. and leave them in peace... a Muslim must earn out disturbing, destroying and displaying relics, that is sacrireligious. We believe in the Unseen Most Beneficent God, that is the edge of Prophet Muhammad pbuH, ummah. Archeogist questioning why great civilizations Greek, Roman gone to oblivion yet those captured by Muslims stand the test of time, that is guaranteed by Allah swt, see Arabs and many Muslims are drowning in wealth that was guaranteed to them by Prophet Muhammad pbuH, thosr who fight and protected Him while He is completing the Message Sent to all Messengers but failed, it 23 years to complete the work... Given to Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus Christ and lastly Prophet Muhammad pbuH. Islam is not done overnight, many were sacrificed.. to protect the Quran that No One can completely comprehend except the Maker.. Am a novice MA Islamic Studies student.

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

@@BaibonnDilangalenSangid-fv9qk kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4ttm7dterq0dcY.html

I think "Magamad" and Iyas are collided into one person, at 47:08 shows some prophet person, or am i misunderstanding this slide? May be Iyas needed a person who will legitimate him and later they were collided into one. SO many theories, thank you so much for your work, guys, GBU.

Well done Mel..may our Lord bless you and Dr Smith in your walks

my firet exposure to your channel. good work! i'm sure you must be familiar with the Syriac antecedents to so much of the Quran?

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is something I'm pursuing currently, though more precisely Babylonian Aramaic and Mandaic Aramaic due to their proximity to where I believe the quran was constructed.

Wow! Such indepth research! Fascinating! Thanks for sharing!

Unprophesizing Muhammad never existed. He was the alter ego of Abd al Malick, a semi-autobiography.

This is beautiful! Those who love the truth will rejoiced.

Fascinating

How Ironic, Muslims renamed Jesus/Yeshua as Isa. Then, forgot Mohammed’s name was actually Iyas. Funny. I thought reciting things and memory was more reliable than writing things down?

@planitdesigns6192

3 жыл бұрын

Mike green. The name Mohamed and Ahmed means "the praised one" . It comes to all muslims not just as a name. It's also comes with a meaning. These cannot be mistaken. Go and find out the meaning of "Iyas"

@planitdesigns6192

3 жыл бұрын

These guys are driving their campaign against Islam based on anti Islamic souces.

@dennisveatch8155

3 жыл бұрын

@@planitdesigns6192 you mean history.

@brantdesmond7448

3 жыл бұрын

@@lexionis3901 Funny you say that, because many Christians defend the reliability of the gospels by claiming that oral tradition was very reliable. Or is it that oral tradition is only reliable when it comes to the gospels, & unreliable when it comes to the Quran? Funny how people's point of view can change, depending on whether it suits their theology or not.

@brantdesmond7448

3 жыл бұрын

@@lexionis3901 1st, the 'Gospel of John' is religous propaganda, it is NOT a historical account. 2. Nowhere in the gospel of John does the author state that he was an apostle of Jesus. The author of John being a disciple of Jesus is nothing more than church propaganda & mythology. If the author of the gospel of John was an apostle of Jesus, he would have been at least 80 years old when he wrote it. If somebody had an important story to tell, why wait till well past the average lifespan of humans back then to write it? Would the eyesight of an 80+ year old be good enough to write the gospel, given the fact that no reading glasses existed back then? 3. The 4 gospels (starting with the gospel of Mark), also have all the characteristics of mythology growing & being embellished over time (exactly the same complaint you have for the story of Mohammad)! If God (Jesus) had an important message he wanted to give to all of mankind, which is a matter of life & death, why didn't he write the bloody bible himself? Or was he illiterate (like Mohammad was supposed to be)? Surely god writing it himself would be able to give a far clearer & better message than what we have now, with thousands of different Christian denominations with differing theological points of view. Strange that God appears incapable of writing anything himself!

That’s fascinating. So do you mean that Mo was a Persian proxy like Hassan Nasrullah in Lebanon or Almahdi in Iraq? Wow, what we Persians are doing? Creating headache 🤕 for ourselves and the world! In that region even today if you want to give legitimacy to someone, you just need to sugarcoat him/her/it with spirituality and Devin! Then people will buy, submit and follow. The minority that are thinkers, they are not going to submit. So what you do? Destroy them with your Devin authorities! I am fascinated by your research and finding. Well done. God bless and keep going.

@luanlopes9415

3 жыл бұрын

Is bcoz this that Alexander kill persians😂

@hamdamradio

3 жыл бұрын

Luan Lopes Maybe becoz those this that!

@christianfrommuslim

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that input from Persia. Brother, have you heard about how Islam and Judaism and Christianity relate through the prophets we share and their sacrifices, like Eid al AdHa? Jesus Christ was the prophesied fulfillment of Eid al AdHa, as this video demonstrates: www.christianfrommuslim.com/gospel-video-tract-for-muslims/

I always get a kick out of how Jay invites guests onto his show and then essentially gives their presentation for them. ;)

That was really cool. That's how you do it.

Thanks for the video, Farwah is a zorasterian Persian name

@theguyver4934

3 жыл бұрын

Are you persian ?

Mohammed was mentioned by St. John of Damascus. John was a scholar who was a son of a scholar. John’s father was a minister to Mauwiyah. Mauwiya was the both the founder of the Ummayyad dynasty and Mohammed’s scribe and the son of Abu Sufyan who had opposed Mohammed for 20 years and whose family hated Mohammed for those 20 years. Mauwiyah was born around 600 - and would have been old enough to remember Mohammed started his career. Certainly he and his family thought of Mohammed as a charlatan. Probably Mauwiya was happy to take the empire but probably did not like Mohammed so probably supressed mention of Mohammed’s name during his reign.

@markpeter1968

3 жыл бұрын

The name of "Muhammad" is mentioned in the Gospel of Barnabas, Jesus answered: "The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: 'Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail.' Mohammed is his blessed name." Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: "O God, send us thy messenger: O Admirable One, come quickly for the salvation of the world!" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_and_the_Bible#Gospel_of_Barnabas

@markpeter1968

3 жыл бұрын

its about as reliable as the koran though!!

@HeroAucifert

3 жыл бұрын

@@markpeter1968 but the gospel of barnabas was written at 1600, long enough after bukhari and tabari, it is not a reliable reference

@oldcat11

3 жыл бұрын

This poorly written so called gospel, full of historical, geographical, theological and other mistakes, is a late medevial islamic FRAUD, absolutely every scholar in the world knows that.

@markpeter1968

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeroAucifert maybe, but the author must have concocted it from something? just like the stories of muhammed, they must have come from somewhere

Mel, you need to put your reference on each slide. We need to see the year the account was written, the author and the book title on each slide with a quote.

Are you f*cking serious ??? You're killing me bro 😂😂😂

Then what about Dan Gibson and his theory of Mecca being originally Petra?

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

I made a comment below I think or maybe on the last video on that question.

You are doing Gods work guys, save these poor people from a living and dying torment..👏🏼👏🏼

Very well done presentation. I thought how ironic Father of Sheep would be the origin of Islam. Its followers are demanded to be an unquestioning sheeple.

This is good research. The only glaring weakness I find is how is Ilyas b. Qabisah connected to Petra?

28:40 We have no records that Ilyas was the leader of Arabs in the NON-Muslim contemporary sources. This story of Ilyas comes 200 years later in the Muslim narratives.

@yorgenibnstrangle3072

3 жыл бұрын

This video is a joke lol. Im glad you see it. If someone brought up this pseudo history to a real historian, they would laugh.

@amyangell2378

3 жыл бұрын

Of course you don't because he was from Iraq then his name changed and if you pay attention he did give a reference in Quran of a leader who fought in that war

@user-yz1dl3eu8l

3 жыл бұрын

@@amyangell2378 You believe the Quran?

In Christian Prince` s book THe DEception of AlLah: All his claims and conclusions are based on hadish. Mohammad is a title amoung a bunch of others. His real name is Qathem He was born after his father's death. His fathers name was not Abdullah but Abd Allat (slave of Al Allat, one of Allah`s three doughters) He was most likely an orphan who was more or less a slave in the house.

We miss you at speakers corner!

This is like the legend of King Arthur it grew feeding on its own legend and some story telling from sages

Sheikh dr. Yasir Qadhi : " There are HOLES IN THE STANDARD NARRATIVE " about the perfect preservation of the quran !!

@christianfrommuslim

3 жыл бұрын

Dear Jim Ahmed and MD Ashikur: it is great to see you two talking through this. Did you know that: 1. The Christian view of heaven/paradise is very different than the Muslim? It is a spiritual place of fellowship between Allah/God and people. When Jesus asked that we do "on earth as it is in heaven" he was encouraging us to make earth that kind of spiritual place of fellowship with Allah/God and each other. A place of peace and love. 2. The Qur'an tells us to present the way to paradise if we know it (2:111). Here is the way we explain it through the prophets and sacrifices shared in Islam, Judaism, and Christianity: www.christianfrommuslim.com/gospel-video-tract-for-muslims/

Can we buy you a microphone, Jay? Your voice deserves a great sounding mike!

@metot1

3 жыл бұрын

In the name of people: yes, buy him a new microphone!

@dawahchl4182

3 жыл бұрын

you keep giving him but he is leading you to internal Hellfire. I'm inviting you to Islam, the truth.

@dawahchl4182

3 жыл бұрын

@@metot1 heaven full of virgins is much more better than internal Hellfire. christianity is one ticket to Hellfire. no one died for your sins don't be deceived by satan.

THIS IS VERY CONVINCING! IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED AND THERE ARE NO FLAWS. An interesting point: if Al Bukhari knew of this part of Persian history he might have CREATED the tradition about Muhammed based on a RE-INTERPRETATION of these historic traditions. That would explain how he and others from the Afghanistan-Turkmenistan area got their source for their "biography" of Muhammed - except they had to MOVE IT to meet the demands of an "arabic" Hijaz origin.

Iyas on rock carvings? How does this connect to Petra?

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

See next two videos.

if posible, Translate to into Indonesia !!!

It's interesting to know two men led the Arabs at that time. This falls in line with my theory that the Lakhmids and Ghassanids united against both Sassanids and Byzantine. It's clear from tradition that Muhamad gave his Daughter to Ali and married the daughters of Abu Bakr and Omar. Which is an obvious alliance marriage. It's my belief though that Ali was the other Arab leader. I think Though Mohamed was a Ghassanid from Petra as Dan Gibson suggested, while Ali was the Lakhmenid leader. This is why the Fitna happened it was a power struggle between those two kingdoms. To the extent that Shiaa till today have the prayer call mention Ali not Muhammed? The question I am trying to answer now is whether or not Muhamed and Khalid Ebn Elwalid were the same person! And the tradition split the prophetic from the historical in two different characters.

@LPempty

3 жыл бұрын

Some of this may be true but the Aisha marriage by all means wS not an alliance marriage. They were really close friends and Abu Bakr even said Mohammed was his brother when Mohamed said he wanted to mar Aisha.

@philothegreatful

3 жыл бұрын

Yet still Abu Bakr secured his place on the throne instead of Ali. A guy whom Shiaa muslims still consider as holy as Muhammed. It was definitely the marriage that got him that. Btw Omar was a closer friend than Abu Bakr if I am not mistaken.

@fakihashami790

3 жыл бұрын

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How do you connect Iyas ibn Qabisah with a religion that began in Petra?

*Fascinating! Thank you Mel. Thank you Jay.* All of this information is relevant to the power struggle between the Eastern Roman Empire (i.e. Byzantium) vs. the Sassind Persians; that occurred shortly before Islam ascended. Dates to note: *Byzantine-Sasanian War of 572-591* "" *The Samaritan revolts (c. 484-573)* were a series of insurrections in Palaestina Prima province, launched by the Samaritans against the Eastern Roman Empire." -- Wikipedia The Samaritans also joined the Jewish revolt against Heraclius (614-617/625 CE) *Byzantine-Sasanian War of 602-628* *Jewish revolt against Heraclius (614-617/625 CE)* -- was part of the Byzantine-Sasanian War of 602-628 *Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem (April-May 614 CE)* -- was part of the Byzantine-Sasanian War of 602-628 "" The Persians took advantage of this civil war in the Byzantine empire by conquering frontier towns in Armenia and Upper Mesopotamia. Along the Euphrates, in 609, they conquered Mardin and Amida (Diyarbakır). *Edessa* (located near modern Urfa, Turkey), which some Christians are said to have believed would be defended by Jesus himself on behalf of King Abgar V of Edessa against all enemies, fell in 610." -- Wikipedia '' Byzantium = Eastern Roman Empire The Byzantine - Sasanian War of 602-628 is the last war of the ancient, classical world. Regarding Mahmed: *Iyas ibn Qabisah al-Ta'i* *Tayyaye (Arab tribe)* = TAYY TRIBE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayy

this is the truth never die lies cannot be longer one day come out last 1440 years lies over liers shame on you today many beards falling down

27:50 The Tayyayé is the one of the generic Syriac name of Arabs. in SYRIAC. It is not a specific tribe from a specific place.

@manbeard8678

3 жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayy

@user-yz1dl3eu8l

3 жыл бұрын

@@manbeard8678 For the Syriacs, it is not a specific tribe from a specific place.

Now that the truth has been exposed .......

Very interesting. There is so much history that is coming together. How to put this information together with the Nabateans of Petra and the ar Rahmanan religion of Himyar.

@Speakers154

3 жыл бұрын

Easy. :)

@peterhwang3479

3 жыл бұрын

@@Speakers154 Keep digging. The truth will set people free.