Superb interview. Tim Snyder has been giving warnings for years now. Great to see him now going completely mainstream

@icvideoservices

3 жыл бұрын

@James Barlow Glad you think so. I wonder if that is why he is a world respected historian, author, lecturer and commentator and you're not?

@hexistenz

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, he has been talking and writing about the causes and conditions for democracy, and for authoritarianism. The part of this interview which sticks with me (probably because I’ve been thinking the same thing for years 😉) is that, in order to have a functioning democracy, you need a lot more than simply having elections at regular intervals. It takes an informed, educated population. It takes a relatively peaceful situation. And it takes all that, because elections need to be about more than short-term solutions to acute situations. So people need to be able to think further down the road, which takes some basic security.

@charlesweinberg527

3 жыл бұрын

Democrats Court Packing? These guys are Propagandists!

@briantyson7744

3 жыл бұрын

@@hexistenz Which is why conservatives Republicans whatever you want to call them always are cutting educational funds they want people to be ignorant so that they can dominate them more easily

Remarkable, unsettling and thought-provoking interview. And profoundly insightful questions and analysis.

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

Patronising old fart

@gabrielconstantingarvvan2518

3 жыл бұрын

@@theoilandgasresourceportal2132 You can't handle the truth? Does it hurt when you know that everything he said was real? All you have to do is to change your mind ...that's it .Nothing special...when you see that something it's wrong ,just cross on the other side .You can cross back ,when your old side is right again,but why keep defending a lie ?

@labelmail

3 жыл бұрын

@James Barlow again - IF you would have voiced your criticism in a constructive manner one could take you seriously - this way you only come over as a disruptive element

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielconstantingarvvan2518 Britain voted for Brexit, its called democracy, if you dont like it try somewhere else

@labelmail

3 жыл бұрын

@@theoilandgasresourceportal2132 -Britain- ENGLAND voted for Brexit, its called -democracy- OVERRULE, if you dont like it try somewhere else ------- SOME OF THEM WILL

Nice to see Professor Snyder again, he's a great political thinker of our time

@brettgbarnes

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah right, this guy's a Leftist clown propagandist.

@dianewhalen9721

3 жыл бұрын

Wow what a thought proving guy. It’s still all very overwhelming 🙏🏼🌏🌎🌍

@heatherc2939

3 жыл бұрын

Rochester Johnny I agree. I've read everything he's written and listened to his youtube seminars. He is indeed one of our greatest political thinkers of our time. To think he wrote On Tyranny in 2016: how prescient.

@labelmail

3 жыл бұрын

@James Barlow IF you would have voiced your criticism in a constructive manner one could take you seriously - this way you only come over as a disruptive element

@PaulBCohen

3 жыл бұрын

@@labelmail You don't listen to constructive criticism. If so, you would have known long ago this fellow is a discredited hack.

This is a masterclass of an interview. We could all learn a lot from this. Amazing.

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

Made you feel warm and smug

@goldwater1984

3 жыл бұрын

Like, what could we learn?

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldwater1984 we could learn that academics living in ivory towers have no understanding, concern or regard for the lives of ordinary people

@goldwater1984

3 жыл бұрын

@@theoilandgasresourceportal2132 that's how I see it as well. Was wondering what context theShowman was using.

A superb interviewer! Knowledgeable, thoughtful, respectful, intelligent. Rare on KZread.

A Brilliant interview. The dichotomy of "Us and Them" is at the crux of human problems, is an important aspect of this interview to take away with one and deeply consider what it means. The Constitution of the US, begins with the word "WE", all of us. "We the people..." is the key. Also, the gentleman who did the interview, has a similar speech pattern to the late Bob Hoskins, which I find very easy on the ears, with his beautiful diction and word usage. Thank you Channel 4 News.

@DaveSCameron

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliantly biased sure!

@StephiSensei26

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveSCameron OK.

I found this so interesting great program 🦋👍

We’ve dumbed down history. We’ve dumbed down the humanities. Thank you Tim Snyder for speaking an obvious truth.

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

Pomposity alert

Mr guru-murthy I’d just like say how much I appreciate you’re journalism,

@stephanieking4444

3 жыл бұрын

hear, hear

@Superfantastictop10

3 жыл бұрын

*yore

@jo18533

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, he is a fantastic activist.

@VaucluseVanguard

3 жыл бұрын

Journalism? If he was a journalist he would not be employed by Channel 4 News. He is a Journalist in the same way Benito Mussolini was. A political activist who uses his evident talents as a writer and speaker to advance his political views. The main difference between Krishnan and Benito - Krish has no desire to enter active politics.

@rossgeography

3 жыл бұрын

this is some of his better work - don't like the hectoring quick-fire style on news some times (and the Robert Downey Jr interview was shameful - but he was right to shake Tarantinos cage a bit given his cultural/cinematic influence)

Should be made required viewing in all secondary schools.

@jo18533

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, strap their hands in and pry open their eyes with toothpicks as you play it.

@kamiltrzebiatowski9331

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with Mr Snyder but alas 1996 Education Act states that governors, councils and heads must “forbid the promotion of partisan political views in the teaching of any subject in the school”. It doesn't seem to limit this to the UK context. I never did so during my 12 years' teaching career in the UK as a teacher and distinctly remember speaking to a head of my school who said she was not allowed to take a Brexit side because of her position. Of course, curriculum content is determined by political and ideological views but that is a different story...

@simonh6371

3 жыл бұрын

No need, they've already been brainwashed by woke Marxist claptrap for decades now.

@lunaridge4510

3 жыл бұрын

and well beyond secondary schools

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

Stop grooming children with your indoctrination you deviant

Professor Synder always, and I mean always, makes so much sense with his clarity of thought, and his uncanny ability to present complex ideas so that all could understand and who was so capably assisted by this very professional interviewer. This is how an interview should be carried out, with respect and with intelligence. Thank you.

What a fantastic, intelligent and insightful interview. I will be sharing in a substantial way. Thank you so much.🇨🇦

@sandrametzler8625

3 жыл бұрын

For a opinion that is so not true. This guy is a joke.

@ivandafoe5451

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandrametzler8625 How so?

@michrohm

3 жыл бұрын

@Ivan Dafoe kudos for you. When dealing with a moron you need to be patient

@pammiedoyle30

3 жыл бұрын

Propaganda by the left. Clinton was ready to hand over to the Chinese. We know, they know that we know. We know they know that we know but they think we are stupid. In the next few weeks we will find out the truth.

@sethjohnson1590

3 жыл бұрын

LEFTIST PROPAGANDA🚩 STRAIGHT UP LIES! PUKE! 🤮

Amazing interview.... very thought-provoking and well questioned... thank you

This interview should have WAY MORE views than it does. People have stopped using critical thinking (if they were ever taught in the first place) and have become consumers of social media misinformation and conspiracy theories. We are going backwards.

@WedadAbdelrazek

3 жыл бұрын

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"Snyder is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Conscience of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum." -Wikipedia

@feedermonkey7233

3 жыл бұрын

And by pointing that out you just told us more about you than you told us about him. Thanks.

@TampaDave

3 жыл бұрын

Billithekat .. and the Israelis, of course.

@TampaDave

3 жыл бұрын

It is hard to know who to trust less: CFR or Wikipedia.

@leomarkaable1

2 жыл бұрын

@@billithekat1088 Don't worry, when the Chinese/Russian axis reaches its full maturation, in a decade or less, "nuking" Iran will be impossible unless our fearless leaders can figure out how to stop (technically unstoppable) hypersonic Russian missiles which would be fired in return for any assault on Iran. No difference who is in the White House then.

@DaveSCameron

2 жыл бұрын

Of course he is and a member of the mo-co-di cabal too*

I really rate this guy! Recommended reading from this amazing person: ‘On Tyranny: 20 lessons from the 20th Century “ and “The Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America”.

@MrSp0iler

3 жыл бұрын

good old russia scapegoat since napoleon. oh you losers

@heatherc2939

3 жыл бұрын

Agree Hazel.

@EricaNernie

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Will follow up.

@briantyson7744

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSp0iler there's just nothing to you is there? You are as empty as your silly statement and I bet if I went to your channel that it would say this channel has no content which after all is just a statement reflecting who You are

@peterdollins3610

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Hazel. Great insight & massive knowledge learning most of the languages of Eastern Europe to do original research on fascism and its rise destroying Russian and other peoples throughout the East. So sad to see Putin turning to fascism that Timothy details in his work.

I could listen for hours. Excellent discussion.

Timothy Snyder is a scholar in the best sense of the word. That is, one who can support what he says with facts and informed analysis. One of the few people deserving of a long form interview.

@platosbeard4449

3 жыл бұрын

Really? This Tim Synder? Author of "Bloodlands". Listening to him in this interview blather on about Russiagate is a bit of an embarassment for a Princeton academic. Tim Synder is at best an incompetent and partisan historian and at worst a rightwing imperialist propagandist.

Such an excellent interview, one that I surely shall be revisiting multiple times and referring others to. Thank you.

@dr.florence

3 жыл бұрын

I know, right?! Need to listen several times! They are both so eloquent, pertinent questions, incisive answers. Just a joy.

@corryjookit7818

3 жыл бұрын

This is my go to for news , plus documentaries Channel four , News, and FILM FOUR. Yes I live in Scotland, lucky me.

@kathyborthwick6738

3 жыл бұрын

Do not believe 1 word not 1 word! Aho Mitakuye Oiyasin!

What clarity of thought Snyder has. It is a joy to hear and to see.

Absolutely eye-opening information! Thank you, Professor.

For insight into what is happening watch this interview. Thank you Channel 4.

Not only a fascinating discussion but a skilfully woven one too.

@milicapanovic5453

3 жыл бұрын

We’re wish he can be our President for ever

The Rural/Urban divide is still there even when Trump leaves.

@davidrenton

3 жыл бұрын

@Live Free or Die 2021 oh don't worry they can ignore it, nothing to see , those people don't count.Black,White, will all suffer.

@JERRYSHAPIRO

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidrenton a large part of the urban/rural divide is largely a function of income inequality and opportunity inequality. If we can smooth that out and improve the lot of people in rural areas much of that will evaporate. And I live in a rural area, so i have a front row seat on the neglect of rural areas (access to broadband and quality healthcare are good examples).

Incredibly interesting interview.

I really appreciate this interview and the information I've listened to. My train of thougts exactly. I appreciate the way he articulates it like he does, without sounding like a conspiracy therosist. I love to listen to all sides before I judge and this interview sums up my thoughts. Thank you and much love to you all. Moving forward, we will need it.

Such a clear headed teacher! I have been enjoying Tim.Snyder's lectures on the making of Modern Ukraine.

This guy is a real deal , very good talk

This guy is a genius. Thank you

Wonderful journalism, brilliant questions! Thank you!

@susannahbmd723

3 жыл бұрын

Journalism requires presenting a balanced view.

Fantastic stuff Krishnan, Snyder's closing comments certainly something to think about.

@bl00dhoney

3 жыл бұрын

Krishnan not Kristian

@JackOsborneFilm

3 жыл бұрын

@@bl00dhoney Cursed auto-correct, thank you!

@NohidChougle

3 жыл бұрын

@@JackOsborneFilm auto-correct = them😅

This is by far the most important film I have watched in over a decade. . The future isn't what it used to be. We have to change that for our children. Because it's our fault. .

@mkadi70

3 жыл бұрын

WE cannot change. We can only improve. Social media is already part of our reality. What we can do is improve the conditions the virtual world operates under

I was a bit annoyed yesterday when you cut Timothy short in a news segment about the capitol riots. All is forgiven after this arrived! Timothy always provides a great perspective on Trump. Thank you Krishnan. I continue to keep my copy of 'On Tyranny' close at hand.

Great interview thank you

Gawd !! I could listen all day long

Haha! The ensuing partisan discussion here proves Timothy Snyder's points brilliantly. All of them. Reading the comments only, I would be more pessimistic about the future.... I don't think he emphasized this enough: living in different realities, with a different set of facts, is crushing to any nation. Especially to the US now.

@corryjookit7818

3 жыл бұрын

@sybiz sybiz222 I would not agree with what you said about his best traits. I do not agree that his ability to motivate and inspire people Threatening people, stealing money, engaging workers to carry out work on many of his buildings, then refusing to pay them for the work they've don. defrauding people, cheating on each of his wives. He's a crook, who even tried to alter his own Father's Will, to ensure he got as much as he could. Think on.

Niiice! Make discussion great again.

Informative and great insight. Thanks for sharing.

Fantastic and extremely informative interview. Thanks for sharing.

@brettgbarnes

3 жыл бұрын

Informative? Yeah right, you could get the same propaganda from watching MSNBC. This clown just parrots the same narratives: "Donald Trump convinced his supporters of his 'big lie' that the election was stolen." What a buffoonish statement. It's not a lie and the American people don't need Donald Trump to convince them of that. The evidence speaks for itself.

@EMBEVIDEO

3 жыл бұрын

@@brettgbarnes ok - which evidence?

@brettgbarnes

3 жыл бұрын

@@EMBEVIDEO Oh, that's original. Like you have no clue right? Do you know how many times I've heard that reply?

@EMBEVIDEO

3 жыл бұрын

@@brettgbarnes Easy question. There has to be an answer to it in case of evidence. So answering should be easy. If not ... it is just conspiracy nonsense. You know - it's all about facts. That make truth so simple.

@brettgbarnes

3 жыл бұрын

@@EMBEVIDEO _"Easy question"?_ It's a dishonest question. Don't play childish games. Unless you've been living under a rock for the last three months, you've already seen more evidence of election fraud than I could ever describe in a KZread comment. The Left's "baseless conspiracy theory" propaganda narrative is the true "big lie" of the 2020 election. I ain't playin' your game.

What a superbly high quality interview; thank you.

Truth is irrevocable. Thankyou for telling it like it is.

I don't often get inspired by listening to this kind of thing, but this was inspiring. Excellent interview.

I really enjoyed listening to this well informed discussion

Very, very interesting, thank you.

What a legend, that's what wisdom sounds like

Some of the people leaving comments clearly haven't paid attention to this and do not know that Snyder was talking about them

@jo18533

3 жыл бұрын

Example?

@esobed1

3 жыл бұрын

@@jo18533 Leslie Wright

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

A rich privileged white man telling the plebs how dreadful they are. How they should all embrace his world view, which will keep him rich... stfu

@SirAntoniousBlock

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't place so much emphasis on throwaway comments by damaged nobodies, they don't contribute to leading thought. Very interesting was his point about the downgrading of humanities and history in education, before you learn what to think you must learn _how_ to think.

@theoilandgasresourceportal2132

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirAntoniousBlock im sure you'd love to tell people how to think..

Professor Snyder , I agree. Now approaching my last year's, I'm shocked and concerned how little history is known by the rising generations. We need history, geography, civics and the arts returned to class rooms, along with math and science curriculums. For the sake of our human well being and future.

Excellent interview with excellent insights!

Fantastic interview. Highly recommend listening.

Calm collected intelligent thought provoking Must View KZread.

Trump has employed the same tactics as Hitler did in the 30s. America is at a crossroads and the direction it takes has never been more important.

The lack of ego from both the interviewer and interviewee is so refreshing. Snyder is a clarion voice and it is delightful to see him being allowed to fully explain his ideas.

it's called delusion, not stubbornness.

@ingelarson6738

3 жыл бұрын

also part of Trumps playbook. He studied Hitler

Society must re-learn to be guided and learn from history

What a breath of fresh air ! Thanks

I'm a Tim Snyder fan. I've read The Road to Unfreedom. I'd like to meet him and have him sign it.

Thank you both very much for this excellent interview. The King's Library, in The British Library, deliberately combines Humanities and Science with equal importance. I'm a Physicist first and also like to learn from history. Someone once quoted to me that "the experiences of our past illuminate our future". That should be true in reality, what we would call a current fact in science. Dealing with facts in science for 50 years has made Trump's lies seem like the world was going mad to me. Most of my career, however, has been spent in human communications (not in technology and not in "anti-social" media, as I've always called it). Also, I've often pointed out that with the mantra of "Competition", by definition, you build in both winners and losers. Yet, human success in evolution of the species has been dependent upon people working together and cooperation. It'd be great to hear more from Prof. Snyder, especially on the US networks! Thanks again. Ken Allsopp

Snyder consistently gives me new insights and challenges to view history from a different angle. Thank you for this interview.

Excellent, superb discussion, let us all think about what was said, humanity!

Important conversation covering a wide spectrum of topics impacting humanity around the world.

Great analysis, Timothy Snyder.

Thank you!

Superb interview ,

Excellent interview. This needs to be shared with the Brexit and Trump camps

@maurabattersby3370

3 жыл бұрын

But will they listen.

Great interview. Thank you.

Excellent work here. One MAIN POINT of many - WE NEED MORE OF THE HUMSNITIES!!! Technology is NOT going to solve humankind's emotional blindness and INABILITY to percieve and discern REALITY.

Superb Piece!

In terms of what he believes to actually be true, I would observe that narcissists tend to actually believe what they say...even if it's completely at odds with reality. That's one of the reasons why they can be so compelling; you don't think that they are lying because they're not...they're deluded.

@kathyborthwick6738

3 жыл бұрын

Narcissistic Behaviour here! Antifa/BLM are deep state operatives! Trump will take the day and you will rejoice when the Truth is unveiled!

@ivandafoe5451

3 жыл бұрын

@@kathyborthwick6738 You might try wearing a tin foil hat to stop those strange voices you're hearing...it's a pity you weren't able to learn something valuable here...all because they keep ranting away at you so loudly.

@judytelles9227

3 жыл бұрын

@@kathyborthwick6738 Black Lives Matter,I cant breathe. Dont kill me.

@marycanfield8654

3 жыл бұрын

@@judytelles9227 have you seen the whole tape? Where he's walking back n forth sayin I can't breathe, which happens when you're od'ing on fentanyl, but, unfortunately, his body stood breathing.

@marycanfield8654

3 жыл бұрын

@@billithekat1088 George Soros pays for most. Look up BLM, and it says donations go to the democrats campaigns, after the top mucky mucks take their shares, of course.

Awesome interview

I agree with the point of needing more emphasis on history and humanities, and would add that we need to invest a lot more in education overall. Especially critical thinking skills, bc that is SO basic to build all other education on. And we really need to value education as a society. It seems like we will certainly continue to decline as a society, unless we have a better educated population.

@suew4609

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t you realize that these elites don’t want you to critically think, because if you did you’d realize you were on the wrong side of history.

super interesting interview

“In the past 30 years, we defunded the humanities. . . . . These are not technical problems, they are moral problems, aesthetic problems, they are questions of judgment. And to have the concepts and the tools and the references for all these things, you need the humanities. History always has something to say about the present. It’s not that it repeats or even rhymes, it’s that it gives you this flow from the past into the present which may help you to see possible futures. History gives you the sense what structures there are that are limiting us, but also gives you the sense of how you might get around those structures and find ways into new structures. Also, unlike other ways of looking at the world, history emphasizes that there is certain amount of irreducible human agency, human choice in things." 25:00

@heinz-ottoluhr495

3 жыл бұрын

Bravo!

@mahlina1220

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

smart guy, that mr snyder.

Fascinating interview! The major problem was that both China and Russia were taken from a US historians perspective. Russia was Putin and China was considered as a Dictatorship and not an evolving Communist System with an enormous population and thriving economy. One important point was the need for the focus in education to include the “Humanities”. I Would instead emphasize International History, but even more relevant Anthropology and Languages. In order to understand and draw comparisons it ie essential that “ Others” and their cultural values are perceived from a non ethnocentric perspective. And that the particular historical, ethnocentric perspective of the Historian is contextualized. Finally, it’s simple for an English speaker to compare and analyze aspects of US or British Societies. On the other hand once they broaden their generalizations to “Other” societies and nation states, they often forget that in the cases of the USA and England that these two “Democratic” States, have plundered, attacked, destroyed, and colonized other peoples and continue to undermine and attack others often in the name of “Democracy” and Human Rights. ♦️♦️♦️

Great Thinker. The Road to Freedom.

He explained the troubles of Trump to me more accurately than any political commentators and academics. I will buy his books.

Thank you for a brilliant interview.

Excellent interview.

Why can't a man like Snyder ever become President?

@rorygee482

3 жыл бұрын

Corporations like yes men not intelligent men. That goes for women too:)

@endlessadventure541

3 жыл бұрын

@@rorygee482 Corporations don't get to vote. People do. So we have no one to blame but ourselves, no matter how influential you think big money is.

@rorygee482

3 жыл бұрын

@@endlessadventure541 Of course I’m not saying we bear no responsibility, however rich people like Murdoch who have agendas and the outlets to promote them can keep a lot of politicians in check. They can make or break political brands as easily as they can washing powder brands. That’s just factual.

Came across by accident.I don’t do politics but I have found this video really interesting.I hope America will be united again.Best Wishes To All.Keep Safe.

Wow thank you for what you know.

Thank you very much for this great video.

Thank you 🙏🏽

The (schoolboy) editing was unfortunately seriously messed up. Check out 4.25 into it and the host is speaking but it's the guest we can hear. Channel 4 please don't let your professional skills and attention to detail (or lack thereof) mar you message.

@JohnnyMotel99

3 жыл бұрын

well spotted mate! there must have been a ton of suitable 'noddies' they could have used, poor QC basically (having spent 15 years in the broadcast industry)

@cateorlamoya

3 жыл бұрын

I am astonished that this was your takeaway from this interview... Class A Smartarsery

Timothy Snyder is in effect a modern Thomas Paine.

Brilliant content! We need more of this input! Promotes humanism!

Proper interview and meaningful information. Who knew it was possible?

Any book recommendation from this guy ,l really like this historian

@annepercival7814

3 жыл бұрын

Bloodlands by Snyder was an excellent ......sobering....book

@adriennerutledge5745

3 жыл бұрын

Beyond Tyranny is short and an excellent guide to preventing authoritarianism.

@mtlson

3 жыл бұрын

@@adriennerutledge5745 Do you mean "On Tyranny?" If so, I agree.

A perfect voting system in USA... really ??

@peterderycke5766

3 жыл бұрын

@Live Free or Die 2021 USA doesn't need the Russians to fck up. Russia can lean back and watch how USA manages by itselves...

Very good presentation, thanks!

This guy is a bright dude!

View in depth, great view.

This is how a real historian applies their knowledge to the present. There is such a contrast between Timothy Snyder and David Starkey. Both are historians turned media personalities. But whilst Snyder relies on his wisdom to explain what is malfunctioning in our world, Starkey has simply ceased being a historian (and he used to be a good Tudor historian) in favour of being an angry, racist, media personality flying the flag of regression.

@richhogg8074

3 жыл бұрын

well said

@jo18533

3 жыл бұрын

'angry, racist, media personality flying the flag of regression.' Such as..

History has never repeated itself. Similar occurrences are but a distant echo.

@paolariveratirado4296

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think he actually said that. He talked about patterns, not identical events.

Getting a fantastic intellectual to speak after these events, great job Channel 4

The idea of rigging elections is not in the least bit novel in the UK. They did it in Ireland for centuries, and it took decades of violence to end it. Also, the US infection and death rates aren't the worst in the first world... Take a look at the lis and you will find that per capita, the UK is significantly worse. Wonder why.

@vibes..585

3 жыл бұрын

How did "they" rig the elections in ireland ? & who are they ?

Micheal Moore is someone you must watch as he has evidence of a further event ; this time armed

@rachelmacdonald723

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I saw that podcast, basically the coup attempt was an inside job. The military wouldn’t get behind it , but the capital police sure did!

Brilliant interview such an interesting man. 👍💜

fantastically insightful about the conditions of democracy and the context for the creeping authoritarianism that threatens it

I am so eternally grateful that Prof. Timothy Snyder is so willing to work so hard to help in-form us and that he is able and willing to be such an open, humble, enJOYable person as he takes so much time to share his learnings and experiences with us. Quite an admirable man; I am also grateful to his wife and children who are willing to share HIM!! Nice to meet his dear brother Michael, too! Great sense of the "beloved community' in all he seems to be able to do with his time and energies. Yes, I am eternally GRATEFUL!! Love/struggle, Elizabeth