I just took a 2021 R18 Classic on a 140km test ride. I absolutely loved how it handled and felt on the highway. It got up to road speeds quickly, and made passing speeds so well. I think I found my next bike.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

Жыл бұрын

Excellent. There’s nothing like them 💯

The BMW R 18 is a piece of Motorcycle Art with that Boxer engine, the Cardanic transmission, the level of attention to every detail and the fact that is something new and different from the rest on the market.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It is unique and very special indeed 💯

I’d pick the R18. I prefer mid controls. Forwards tend to put a lot of pressure on my tailbone and are harder to weight the pegs when turning or to lift out of the seat over big bumps. I do have highway pegs on the crash bar of my GS, so I can have a forward position even with the boxer engine. However, I’d say 90% of the time, I have my feet on the mid pegs and only use the highway pegs to stretch occasionally on long highway sections. I never use them on backroads.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes there’s a lot to be said for mid controls 👍🏼

@jroberthadden

3 жыл бұрын

The footboards on the Heritage aren't out too far forward. I'm 5'8" and they are positioned near perfect for me. You can move your feet five or six inches fore or aft.

I like the comparison style you used here on this episode, please keep it up. Another great review lads, so far every one's a winner, many thanks

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rotax. We wanted to be completely objective

As a BMW rider, IDK. THere are ways I think the R18 falls short. I'd like a R18 that is more like a Road King than Heritage. Hard lockable bags, bigger tank, better seat, bigger windscreen.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

OK I see where you’re coming from. It’s really a cruiser with touring ability than a tourer

Two years after watching this, then riding both, very pleased with my decision to purchase the R18 Classic. 👌 Thank you Mr. Darcy & The Ol' Man. 🤙

@MrDarcy-OlMan

9 ай бұрын

Awesome,it is a wonderful motorbike 👍🏼

Great video guys...love your videos...very straightforward...well paced...good quality camera and remind me of myself and my oul man!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

Hi guys, this is the video I've been waiting for and boy was it worth it. I’m so glad they were pitched evenly, as you know i have an R18 which i love and don’t think i could ever part with it and i have a Harley being delivered this Wednesday (street Bob 2021) so like you ....i love Chinese and Indian food. Many thanks and kind regards.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! 💯👍🏼

Great job, gentlemen! The forward controls make the choice for me. Being able to relax my knees and stretch out a bit is one of the benefits of a traditional cruiser/weekender. Top review of both!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy 💯👍🏼 Yes we get you there

Great great comparison!!! Thanks for that. It is great to see them back to back. Excellent gentlemen!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Maxi 💯👍🏼

I prefer the BMW but that is a subjective opinion. What isn't a subjective opinion is that this is a great mc channel. That is simply a fact!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! That’s the thing about so many motorbikes; and the reason we often turn what we think is a negative into a positive

I have tried both models and i went with the R18. The unique looks and the 3 modes engine makes me decide on that side

@MrDarcy-OlMan

Жыл бұрын

Excellent! We’ve got a new video about the R18 coming tomorrow 👌🏼

Just picked up a 2021 first edition. Its brilliant! I ride a 1200 GSA as well so the huge cylinders sticking out the sides is not a huge deal. Thank you for this review and keep up the great work. Cheers from Alaska

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Every mile’s a smile!

Nice review. I think a Road King would have been a better comparison though. BMW & HD are both making great cruisers.

I have demo ridden both of these. (The BMW that I rode was the initial model released) I really liked both. I would need a few hundred miles in the saddle to make my determination of which I would rather live with, especially considering the $$$$. I have owned a few big twin Harleys and the Heritage was a more familiar feel for me and it fits perfectly. The Heritage seemed to have a slightly lighter handling feel and the front end on the Bimmer seemed more planted and substantial. I was able to ride both on a mountain road and was equally impressed. Both were solid machines. A side by side fourth or fifth gear roll on would have been an interesting comparison to see which would pull away from the other. Several times, you mentioned that H-D should offer a bike between the Heritage and the Breakout which might compare more closely to this R18. I might suggest that the Road King might be that bike, although it does not have the hidden suspension. I agree with your assessment on the front brakes. You gave a point to the R18 for having riding modes where the Heritage had none. I can see that view. However technology, to some of us, is just an add on that we'd rather not have to deal with or pay for. (I'm not crazy about throttle by wire or keyless ignitions, either) I have owned and ridden several bikes with anti lock brakes and rider modes. I'm a simple guy and I prefer being 100% in charge of traction and braking. By the way, these two motorcycles are in my top five list of new bikes at the present time. I always enjoy your reviews. Keep 'em coming.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. As the Harley is ride-by-wire and in a fixed mode we gave it to the R18. The Touring chassis on the Harleys gives a very different ride in our opinion so that’s why we didn’t put them in the same place. Thanks for your support 👍🏼👍🏼 We would love to have ridden them side-by-side but because of the Nanny State motorcycle licensing laws in the UK, Darcy can’t ride one for another 2-3 years!

@jroberthadden

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Because of his age, or riding years? That's interesting. I grew up in Illinois (a looonng time ago) and we weren't allowed to ride anything over 150cc until we were 18. I don't know if that's still the situation there since I've been out here in Wyoming for 42 years.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@jroberthadden we have a compulsory progressive licensing system here that basically stops 99% of people riding at all. Most just wait till they’re 24 and do an intensive course

@jroberthadden

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan So most of the youngsters don't get any practical riding experience until they're 24? Wow, I did not know that. What a shame. I have taken three Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, including the instructor course. I believe that the ONLY way to become road worthy is to have practical road experience. Even if it's on smaller bikes. So, if I'm understanding you, young riders may only ride smaller, or less powerful, bikes until they're 24, then they are automatically able to move up? I can see how that could discourage many from riding at all. Many times, when a person gets to that ripe old age, they are starting careers and families which, itself, limits many of them in buying motorcycles.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@jroberthadden it’s really complicated to explain. Here’s a video we did on it kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJeX0M-Yg6uflLg.html

Just watched video again . The bmw is stunning and the finish on it is so beautiful

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s Rolls Royce 💯

Great review guys, very informative.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼

Love the throwback design to BMW's heritage in the R18. I do like the look of the Harley better. Great vids :)

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. It’s going to go 50:50 with the public vote we think

Both beautiful! I’d go for the Harley Davidson ❤️

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks my friend 👍🏼

the harley is around 37k and the R18 is 27k in australia soo i think the R18 is quite the bargain

Enjoyed the comparison, like the look of both, however this ole long legged country boy is addicted to forward controls and stretching my legs out on the crash bar with highway pegs on a long sunny day of riding. thanks...

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. Yes we know that feeling 👍🏼

@sebastiangeorge7714

3 жыл бұрын

There is an option to have a bar right above the cylinder heads for that purpose

@blackholevideo

3 жыл бұрын

@@sebastiangeorge7714 yes however those two boxer cylinders are very wide.

I test rode a Softail, Street Glide, and Road King and went with a 22 BMW R 18 B. Absolutely love it. It's the best thought out bike I've ever ridden. Fast up to 90, sounds great, brilliant cruise control, headlights, heated seat and grips, hill assist, reverse, abs and traction control. I love Harley's too, but for me the BMW is where it is at. Instant classic. I read most of the reviews of the BMW before the test ride and was very pleasantly surprised. IMHO, some of the problem with the reviews, not this one, is that they are asking people that think cruisers are stupid what they think of them. Or people that say any cruiser that's not a Harley is an imposter.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes very good points! I agree. I bought a BMW R 18 for those reasons. It’s tremendous 💯

I love the art deco style of the BMW but that Harley Davidson engine is a piece of art.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes true 👍🏼

@blackholevideo

3 жыл бұрын

Just remember that beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear through to the bone. 😎

Another good video! I think I am in the R 18 camp, but I haven't ridden one. All comes down to individual preferences. Can't always sort that sort of thing out in advance. If we could, I wouldn't have an ex-wife. Yeah, if only she had known!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! Haha we live and learn 👍🏼

The biggest difference between these two motorcycles is the riding position. Open and relaxed on the Harley and cramped on the big BMW. Sit on them both and it’s easy to decide which one you would like to spend the most time on. I will keep my heritage, thank you.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough. I’m a pretty big guy and have never been cramped on the BMW. 👍🏼

@michaelschaefer3124

Жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan You stated yourself that the leg room is better on the Harley and actually gave it a point for that. The leg position on the BMW reminds me of my F6B, but the F6B had forward pegs that would allow me to stretch my legs if needed. I would classify the BMW as actually being a standard as opposed to a cruiser. Ironically, Honda marketed the F6B as a power cruiser when it first came out. Go figure.

@stevegodfrey626

Жыл бұрын

The riding position on the R18 is actually very comfortable compared to the 6 HD’s I’ve had over the past 20 years. Feet forward is placing your body in a “staple” position and not comfortable for me anyway!

@rasersedge2004

Жыл бұрын

@@stevegodfrey626 I agree, and if there's corners to navigate, especially twisties you can control the bike much better with feet back. Another thing about the R18 is the ability to stand naturally upright for extended periods - just like on the adventure bikes - to alleviate numbness on long rides. You can also vary your foot position to shift weight from one point to another. I haven't tried them but you can also buy an engine guard setup with foot rests if you need a wee lie down while riding. I've had three H-Ds and consider them brilliant bikes each in their different ways - the Switchback 103" the best comparison to the R18 I thought and the two very very close.

@stevegodfrey626

Жыл бұрын

I have had 6 new Harleys. The R18 is certainly not cramped and is actually more comfortable on my back long distance with the semi mid controls. I am 6ft and 100kgs. One of the reasons I bought an R18. Best bike ever out of the 12 I have owned …. 53 years riding.

Overall cost of ownership should be compared. Durability and reliability are major factors.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

That’s hard to establish without having both bikes for a long period of time tbh

I'm just getting my BMW Classic tomorrow!!!! it is so beautiful.. a piece of art.!!!!

I own a 2020 Harley Low S. I considered the Heritage Classic after I bought the Low Rider S, haha. But I do love my LRS. I made some changes to my LRS such as crash bars, a saddleman step up seat, 10 inch handle bar riser with 2 inch pull back (I used the stock handle bars), viking saddle bags witj quick release, a Harley luggage rack with quick release sissy bar. Plan on adding passenger pegs and swapping out factory mufflers with Vance and Hines TWIN SLASH 3″ SLIP-ONS.I also took off the factory front and replaced it with a 18 inch wind shield. In hind sight I should have bought the saddleman Explorer Seat instead of the Step seat for added comfort.

Great presentation would go for the Harley-Davidson Heritage

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! 👍🏼👍🏼

Forgot to mention, excellent comparison and points! To solve left side view problem for my fxbb i bought a swing arm bag😅

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff! Thank you!

The R18 wins my vote.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s a great bike 👍🏼

Picking up the R 18 Classic next week. Been riding a Heritage Springer for the past 5 years. Looking forward to having reverse, and better front end control. No gas gage may be an adjustment. Will need to watch my kms, or hope for a reset at the very least.

My, oh my! Does the name "Road King" ring a bell? Dual discs, big clear screen, big tank, roomy seat?

@simonhickey8952

3 жыл бұрын

As an owner of a Heritage and a Road King, I would have to agree with FLHFD. Not being able to stretch your legs out would be a game changer for me so H-D all day long, no contest. Great content as ever chaps!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

We did mention the road king

@simonhickey8952

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan My hearing and eyesight must be going then. I could have sworn you said Road GLIDE and showed a pic of a green one?

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonhickey8952 Sorry we had a very spicy curry and it’s messing with our minds! 👍🏼

@simonhickey8952

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan No worries, happens to the best of us. However, if you like the Heritage, you'd love the Road King!

Oh man, fantastic video! Good job being extremely objective on all those points, agreed 100%. I found the mention of the short fenders extremely on point, I traded my 2019 Heritage for a Low Rider S and the short fairing is just for looks, the oil cooling panel gets sooooo dirty. Oh I also loved the last mention about the symmetry of the bike, I thought that was a very good point and I didn’t think about that until you mentioned it

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! We’re glad you’re on the same wavelength 👍🏼💯

Keep up the good videos you have been doing

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Luis 👍🏼👍🏼

Just stumbled across your channel and subscribed all the way from West Aus.. love the content. If you haven’t already I would possibly suggest reviewing the BMW k1600 Bagger.. inline 6 engine. You’ll love it.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! Yes hopefully more BMW's to come soon!

Wanted the R18, bought the Harley today, first ride, is amazing. Reasons: 1. riding position - less engine in the way, 2. noise - no great range of exhausts as yet from BMW, 3. price - better price by 4k almost, 4. amount of extras - much more with Harley, 5. sense of community - BMW is great for my GS not sure for cruisers, 6. gut feel - loved the look of the R18 but the use of word segment in all their videos made me feel it was really a blatant marketing exercise whereas the Harley is more real. May buy the R18 too....

@stevereilly

3 жыл бұрын

And BTW, epic video as ever guys, best on KZread for bikes....

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

OK we’ll considered Steve. Congratulations with the new bike! 💯

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevereilly Thanks! 😁💯

@stevereilly

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan It went back today, didn't have a fondness for changing down gear past 4th!

Enjoy your reviews. Thank you. Just subscribed. I have a question about wind buffeting and vibration in the bars. How do you compare them? For context, I like taking long trips in the US. Big touring bikes with engine character from Harley and Indian are fine on the highway, but not so great once you get where you were going. And better-handling touring bikes such as BMW's RT or the new Wing, lack character to delight you along the way. What should be the perfect bikes for my need, the Heritage, has terrible buffeting at highway speeds and leaves my hands numb on a long ride. (Older Harleys and rubber-mounted Harleys don't have that effect on me.) So I was wondering whether you noticed a difference between the two in this regard.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome aboard! The Heritage certainly buffets at 70mph and you can duck down to get out of it. The R 18 has a small screen so you do get it somewhat on that too but I reckon the new touring models would be better in that respect. The Harley Limited or CVO Limited is really nice at speed and I found no wind buffeting.

If I was buying a bike of this type, it would be the Honda Goldwing Bagger DCT.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the Honda is very good

@MrAndrew1953

3 жыл бұрын

Honda should make a Goldwing wuith a similar sized windshield to the one on the Heritage. Clip on, clip off. Not everyone needs a full sized fairing, radio etc. The motor on the Goldwing is superb.

Great review as always. I had a 2007 Heritage Softtail Classic. I loved it but it got to hard to move around. I got older. Reverse was definitely needed. I sold it for a 2016 Bonneville T120. Great bike! I want another cruiser and I’d choose the BMW, mostly for something different. I also had a BMW F650GS. Great too! All are high quality.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. The R18, especially the First Edition is surprisingly manoeuvrable, especially with reverse.

Great review once again, but when it comes to flavour you need to evaluate what you can afford to eat! 😊

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. Yes absolutely! 💯

I chose the most beautiful one. R18 Frist Edition. Thank you for the interesting comparison. Keep up the good work!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hans 💯👍🏼

I'll take the HD.Aesthetically more pleasing to my eyes.I've heard that the R18 is prone to much peg scraping too,which puts me off.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

OK bro. The peg scraping is no more than any other cruiser. It’s more that the other reviewers expect it to be a Fireblade in the corners

@travelinben1966

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Thank you for that.👍👍

@beatts101

3 жыл бұрын

@@travelinben1966 A lot of owners have said this is because the rear preload on the bikes is not being adjusted before bikes are given to the press and customers and they are effectively riding them in transport mode. Adjusting properly for rider weight seems to eliminate a lot of the scraping 👍🏻

@splodge5714

3 жыл бұрын

@@beatts101 well that's a new one. I like it, cheers. 😂🤣

@travelinben1966

3 жыл бұрын

@@beatts101 Thank you for that information.I would have definitely ruled out the R18 had you not pointed that out.

Interesting, informative and well made...and that's just just the video !

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks bro 👍🏼

Can you explain to me how you managed to get the Harley to "fall over" considering it has a side stand that locks which keeps the bike from moving forward or back once you lean the bike all the way onto the stand?

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

The Softail stand foot doesn’t scoop up, so if there’s any crack or ridge in the ground, the foot stops sliding out and the bike leans over onto the stand spring. Then you walk away and watch it tip over. If you search for it on KZread, many people have had the issue. Million Dollar Bogan also dropped his CVO because of the vague stand.

Both mechanical art on 2 wheels, both world class cruisers...decisions decisions🤔. Great comparison video👌 Greetings from Canada... 🇨🇦🏍💨🔥✌️😎

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely! Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼

No doubt at all The Amazing BMW R18 it's one of my favorite Motorcycles but definitevily I stand with the majestic Harley Davidson which has always been my favorite Motorcycle!, Good video, Thanks for sharing!!!

Great even handed review. I am a HD and Ducati man but I was impressed with your review of the timeless BMW.

I’ve owned both brands and have found owners are very brand loyal...currently I own a BMW R1200RT. This review was quite good because it was even handed and didn’t play into brand loyalty...it just dealt with the bikes. Well done.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kent. Yes we are always objective 💯

Thank you for the video. I hesitated (a little) between the two, and I just ordered ... a Heritage. My main reasons : - Impossibility of moving the legs on the R18, - Zero rear suspension of the R18, - Look of the Heritage without the saddlebags and windshield

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

OK interesting to hear your decision making process. Thanks buddy 👍🏼 Enjoy the Harley!

Great video. I really like the reverse on the BMW. My '01 Goldwing had it. I like the look of the BMW, but I will be keeping my Ultra Classic with dual front discs and tubeless tires. From Canada.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. Did you see our Ultra Limited review?

Great review fellows! And not being partial to either one was refreshing. Haven’t rode the BMW yet, hopefully they’ll be at Daytona Bike Week next week so I can give it a spin. Already own a Heritage 114 so I know that bike inside out. Will keep you posted on my thoughts!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. Awesome hopefully you can get a ride on one 🤞

Both beautiful machines. I sat on the BMW and felt I could ride it for a short distance or time, but my leg position would require me to get off and stretch at regular intervals. I need to get my feet forward. Great to have more competition as it drives innovation. Thanks for posting.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed 💯👍🏼

Nice one boys. R18 for me. Different class.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro! 👍🏼👍🏼

There was a comparison video done by Motorcyclist between the R18, Street Glide, and Indian Chief. Very interesting. The stand out for the BMW is the fit and finish and how the bike is put together. They said they thought HD was great until the BMW showed them how good it can get. Something else to consider is engine heat. It’s actually worse on the Harley bc of the rear cylinder running hotter and the exhaust pipe being next to your leg. The BMW cylinders and exhaust headers are in the wind and cool better.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

Жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely right

Thank you guys🤙

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy 👍🏼

You look better on the R18! The proportions and riding position look more comfortable and a better fit.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Really OK thanks bro 👍🏼

Very nice videos. I would choose the bmw. Classier and the engine is simply fabulous.

Love the Retro 1940's look of the Harley Davidson Heritage....The BMW R-18 looks more like an official Police Bike a bit bulky...Both are great bikes..... but, Definitely like the Harley Davidson Heritage 114 Best ✔️✔️✔️

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes good points my friend 👍🏼👍🏼

@nickrichardson7451

3 жыл бұрын

I just know I’d bash those cylinders!

Long time Harley and Guzzi owner in the past but today I'd go for the BMW. Something about literally strapping yourself onto what looks and sounds like a BMW aircraft radial engine from the war is extremely appealing. Plus the custom ability for something completely different to anything else. Couldn't care less about a fuel gauge, that's what the trip odometer is for. Great review, subbed.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. Yes it’s a unique and very appealing motorcycle 💯

I had a BMW R Cruiser several years ago and I liked it. Was a lot of fun. I now currently own the 2018 HD Heritage like the one here. I love this bike. I've done a few things to it in past 3 years such as pipes and changed some things such as the mirrors. Its great for me, was going to get the Road King but opted for the Heritage and I really like its lighter weight and has great handling for what it is. Where I live if I go south, its all hills and if I go east, its straight road and this bike is great for both.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Ues the heritage Classic is a brilliant bike 💯

@briangebert8927

2 жыл бұрын

I too have a 2018harley Davidson heritage 114 and I love the bike except for the battery location

Love both, good review

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I understand comparing the two but for me the Road King Classic (although the Classic is no longer available I think 😞) out-classes both. Similar lean angle to the R18, more than the Heritage, bigger tank (22.7 ltr) fly-by-wire and with a fuelpak perfectly tuneable whatever the situation or changes, belt drive so zero maintenance and lasts forever. Such a comfortable seat and position, I do four hours riding before I need a break and styling that warms the cockles of a classic bike lover like myself but with all mod cons, cruise, ABS (inc cornering on newer ones, mine’s a 2010) detachable everything, clear big screen (not for me), backrest Inc rider and rack. Twin discs up front. Perfect blend of classic styling and modern ease, I wouldn’t swap even for a new Heritage or R18. Cons- I ride the ‘twisties’ a lot so cornering without too much plate-scrape is challenging and makes for some interesting riding style (I like a challenge) and I wear through tyres quickly. Being tied to the dealer takes getting used to, only they can do anything with the ABS system but bikes older than 5 years get 25% discount on parts and labour so it works out ok and I think BMW would be the same cars or bikes. A bike for people who like to ride and makes anywhere a photo opportunity.

HD. The cylinder protrusion is a game changer for me.

Thanks for the informative video. Well done! I 've owned three boxers. I currently ride a 2001 road king. Occasionally visit a Harley dealership but have yet to be willing to trade in my road king for any of the new Harleys. But the R18 is very tempting. I think an R18 with a springer front end would look awesome.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. It’s certainly s tempting bike!

honda goldwing has reverse, out of those two i would have to go with the HD i just cant get over the cylinders sticking out like that, i can't stand mid controls, my legs cramp up.

Always been mostly a Harley guy including a 07 Heritage Classic I had, but I'm really warming up to the BMWs. Really interested in the new R18.

@stevegodfrey626

Жыл бұрын

I’ve just bought one after 6 HD’s. Much better put together and more rider options… hill start, reverse, radar cruise control, heated grips etc etc. Most HD’s don’t come with any of these and those options that do you have to upgrade $$$.

Which one would you recommend to 198cm guy? I tried Heritage Classic and was quite roomy, I dont know how would R18 feel with my long legs because of that boxer engine 😅

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

The R18 is a bigger bike (longer) but the Heritage Classic has the forward controls for a less bent knee angle. I’ve now got a R18 and find it perfectly good. I’m about 5.5 cm shorter than you

@RaAlby

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan thanks!

We do not need the chassis of the bmw r18 and the V- Twin HD engine at the end of this show, but they are perfect what they are. The two great motorrad companies made the two amazing beasts on two wheels and that is great! Good job!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. Yes! 2 of the best 👍🏼

I am a BMW1200GSA rider and am considering to buy a 2nd bike in the next year. At first I would go for the HD just to have "something" else, but 2 things certainly have made my choice lean more towards the BMW, and that is the reverse gear possibility and the dual front disk breaks. I am so used to these breaks with my GSA, that it would kind of hard to get used to a single front disk break. Thanks for the review! I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work and ride safe!!!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kim. Hopefully we have made your decision easier 👍🏼👍🏼

@kimvanuytsel8462

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan certainly!! I am also watching now your other video’s. Great work!!

@NicoSc2811

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimvanuytsel8462 also possible to put a reverse gear on the Harley

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes we also think it won’t be too long before Harley offer it as an option

Great review

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍🏼

I think something to consider is maintenance schedules and costs. Great video!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that’s true 👍🏼

Which one is more strongly built? Frame thickness and build quality wise

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

They are both about the same id say. The BMW pips the Harley for quality (and the Harley is excellent)!

Just saw the BMW. I have been thinking about getting a cruiser again. I was leaning towards the Challenger but just sat on the R18 classic and it felt very comfortable. Didn't get a chance to ride it though. The bike feels very practical in person.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

We really like the R 18 👍🏼

Could you please make a vedio for Bmw R18 Clasic Vs Bmw Grand America

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Difficult to set up tbh

I loved R18.....fantastic

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s tremendous 👍🏼

Great video guys! Have you guys experienced the low road clearance of the R18? In other words, did you drag pegs on the road? If so, how did the bike react? Did that make you feel unsafe? Thanks in advance!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest we never scraped the pegs. I think some reviewers don’t ride a cruiser like a cruiser.

BMW might be better. But Harley Davidson has soul and heart. I just bought the 2021 harley heritage and I love it.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome 💯 We love our Heritage Classic!

I dig that BMW. Harleys are everywhere here in the states. Get a Heritage and you will see several others on your ride. The Beemer? Probably won’t see on other one in several months if ever. So there is a built in uniqueness to the beemer that you just don’t get with the Harley.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that’s a very good point 👍🏼

@briangebert8927

2 жыл бұрын

The bmw is a nice looking bike but there's no where to stretch out your legs and I think it's more cramped than a gold wing

@jamescox4823

Жыл бұрын

@@briangebert8927 but you can stand, which is worth way more

Have I missed somthing about the price ?

Thank you for taking the time with this review of bmw and the heritage. I like the BMW R18 I am thinking of purchasing one .Regards Paul Richardson 😅

@MrDarcy-OlMan

9 ай бұрын

Have you seen our other videos on the R18?

The BMW shaft drive is trouble free if properly maintained. The Harley m8 is a great platform to work off of and blueprinting the motor with after market parts would bring it up the BMW level of quality.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes good points 👍🏼

@curtisssmith5204

2 жыл бұрын

And therin lies the problem. The Beemer engine from the factory has superior engineering. A forged steel crank supported by three main bearings makes the engine bulletproof. I like the fact that with proper maintenance, this engine should go hundreds of thousands of miles. Things like valve adjustments on this engine should be a breeze. I like the Harley sound. Just not impressed with the engineering and manufacturing.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@curtisssmith5204 Yes there’s no doubting the quality of BMW engineering 💯

I'd have the Beemer based almost entirely on the look and sound. The HD is a good looking bike with a great sound but that big boxer is a work of art and some slightly louder pipes on it would let it sing.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

They certainly would!

I thought maybe the HD would win the suspension compare, it has 4.4” rear travel vs. BMW’s 3.5”. But I have never ridden either.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

They seem very equal in feel 👍🏼

Great video guys. I like both almost the same. One thing you didn't cover if I'm not mistaken is handlebars. Which are more comfortable / better for handling, Harley's apes or BMW's sort-of wide mini apes?

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes many things are subjective, handlebars included. The BMW bars are actually more comfortable but then someone will swear by apehangers.

@thtigmif

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Yeah I think those apes would be too tall for my fairly short arms. But they would be great for taller people.

Great job fellas, I would like to know, which bike has less cornering clearance? Which touches down first? Boards or pegs. And which would the Old Man choose to ride on a tour for a couple weeks holiday? Cheers 👍👍👍

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. I reckon the Heritage Classic has a bit more cornering clearance. I would actually go for the R 18 for longer tours because the riding position is more comfortable (despite no forward controls).

Interesting review and comparison, Think I'll stick with a Ruby Murray!

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah 👍🏼

I can honestly say I don’t know which would be the better bike. While I don’t like the look of the flat twin, HD has some issues as well. I’d probably give a slight edge to the Harley simply because it has a fuel gauge, which isn’t a difficult thing to add the BMW. Great review as always.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. They really are closely matched and both satisfy your soul 👍🏼

Just for the reverse gear - BMW.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Game changer 💯

@alancarter4525

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got one in my Road King. It’s called the missus 😇

Great video👍 If I had to choose, it would be the Harley, both bikes do their job very well it appears, but the Harley has the looks in my book.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud. Yes the Harley is pretty cool 👍🏼

do you have any reviews of thr BMW R18B (bagger)? Would love to see it. 4:52

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 ай бұрын

We don’t I’m afraid, will try at some point 😊

O'l Man: Having owned both the Heritage Classic and now the BMW R18, which one would you keep if you had to choose? I’m 6 ft, 4 inches tall with a 34-inch inseam, and weigh about 16 stone. So just a bit taller than the Ol’ Man, and about the same age. I’d be very grateful for your thoughts on the two bikes, now that you’ve spent a lot of time on both.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

They are both excellent bikes. Having had 3 Harleys I am enjoying the change, so at the moment the R18. Plus its got reverse, its longer it’s different.

I love R18, M1000r, H-D Fat-bob, but I don’t know which one to buy. Can someone help me with it please? And Thank You so much for your videos ❤❤

@MrDarcy-OlMan

Жыл бұрын

Id eliminate the m1000r immediately! Fat bob if you want half way cruiser/roadster. R18 if you want pure art, style and uniqueness

Great review and not one sided either which was nice. I think BMW really brought something to the table and I’m very impressed. I don’t think you could go wrong with either. I myself own the HD.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Timothy! Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼

I think the ol man is going to sell his harley for a R18, can't believe no fuel gauge bmw tut tut , great viewing as per usual

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. It’s certainly food for thought, but I’ve decided to keep the Harley

they both do an excellent job!

At 8:48 you forgot to mention the Goldwing with its electric reverse I think since 2001. The first thing for me would be to find a more suitable front fender and have it painted to match so I didn't have to constantly be cleaning the front of that beautiful engine and the oil cooler in particular. A backrest and perhaps a leather style top box, a larger windscreen and now you have a winner.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes we forgot about the Goldwing. Yes agreed about the fender

Great review guys 👍🏻 The Breakout is still available as a 2021 model though here in the UK and elsewhere. If you were buying a bike now and depreciation on the Harley wasn’t a consideration would you choose the R18 or would you choose the Heritage?

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex. All things considered and with the novelty value of something different aside, I’d go for the Heritage Classic.

@stevereilly

3 жыл бұрын

The Heritage, there are a few 2020 unregistered bikes available, 18 to 19k gets you one, new bike is to order only, 21k for 21 model. BMW from 23k has further to drop generally. Picked up my Heritage today to go with my GSA 1250...

Traded in my HD for the R18 Classic few months ago. I love it. Hopefully it’ll be more reliable than the Harley. Great neutral review.

@MrDarcy-OlMan

3 жыл бұрын

Really! What Harley did you have? The R18 is fabulous

@gonzalolopez8847

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Ultra Classic Electra Glide

When showing the footage of riding each bike, The View over the handlebars on both of them is almost the same. Meaning, on the Harley windshield, the black paint does reduce some visibility however on the BMW the Triple Tree, risers and handlebar Junction is so high that it almost blocks Vision at the same point the paint on the Harley windshield does

@MrDarcy-OlMan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes thats true