Their desire to 'broaden their audience' not only failed, but also lost them a good portion of their core audience. I am shocked, shocked! Well not that shocked.

@Nikos.

Жыл бұрын

yeah it ain't surprising anymore

@stopper0203

Жыл бұрын

It's funny, at around 11:45 of the battle pass preview, it was as if they realized how good the core audience of the Halo community is, and how close they are to losing every one of them. Hopefully we can turn it around 🤞!

@MunDaneFatt

Жыл бұрын

Welp they deserve it, I don’t care what happens to Bungie neither. Ones that were most involved in direction of halo have left.

@joecool1184

Жыл бұрын

*releases halo cook book* "That's what the halo fans want"

@Kaimerah

Жыл бұрын

its cause halo already appealed to a broad audience

In Halo 3 when humanity was loosing the war Master Cheif didn't single handedly save the day like he does in Infinite. It was a team effort, you fought along side ODSTs, Johnson died, Miranda died, you became brothers in arms with Arbiter. Sacrifices were made. But no, suddenly in Infinite Cheif is all powerful and THE ONLY person who can stop the Banished.

@optiTHOMAS

Жыл бұрын

Indeed! I miss the classic unsc and all the humans. Halo feels so much of a shell of its former self. 😔 yeah, chief was always there, but he was apart of something bigger, the unsc and the survival of humanity! I miss that halo. And God damn I miss the ODSTs!

@nikoavocado435

Жыл бұрын

What about Echo 216?

@forbiddenspatula4243

Жыл бұрын

@@nikoavocado435 He doesn't actually do much other than fly Cheif around. I like him as a charecter, but he was just another guy Cheif had to save, once when the Brute brothers down him and then again at the tower.

@forbiddenspatula4243

Жыл бұрын

@@zanesnep Being able to stack marines on Razorbacks is more of a gameplay gimmick than a narrative element. Not once do we see a cutscene or story beat where the marines are actually involved. As for the books, that feels like a cop out. In CE and 2 why did Cheif have to team up with Jhonson and marines? In 3 why did he have to team up with Arby? In 4 whyd he team up with other Spartan 4's? In 5 whyd he team up with Blue Team? Why didn't he just go at it alone in those games like in Infinite if he's so strong? Because in the context of the in game story it wouldn't make as much sense as an actual novel where he's purposely OP.

@FallenTerrarian

Жыл бұрын

Halo CE is basically the same way as Infinite, no? And plus you don’t save it single handedly, Esparza and The Weapon help you out, along with Griffin and the Monitors. And don’t forget the Marines! Yes 2, 3 and reach you have help, but so does 4 and 5, especially 4 with the Infinite and Lasky. How Rio wants to abandon Chief but gets fired and Lasky Helps him out!

there's an old saying 343's.....inability to safeguard halo, was a colossal failure

@John-du4ie

Жыл бұрын

I love this haha great work shadow

@Wigga4787

Жыл бұрын

Nay! It was HERESY!

@bigdoggo5827

Жыл бұрын

Remember that 343 betrayed the MC not just once but twice

@Evacer

Жыл бұрын

You mean their inability to safeguard it was a success, don't you? They were successful in not safeguarding Halo.

@cynicalgold9992

Жыл бұрын

@@Evacer you either don't understand the quote or haven't played halo 2.

Your point on the hyper focus of the Spartans is great. It’s been a huge issue with 343 for me. The Spartans were something of mystical warriors, they didn’t speak much and had mystery around them. 343 basically makes Spartans a dime a dozen and there’s nothing interesting about them. Same goes for Chief. Halo’s original story wasn’t about Chief, it was about his journey. Chief is simply a vessel for the player, and that’s often broken when he refuses to shut up during gameplay.

@livingglowstick1337

Жыл бұрын

You forget bungie are the ones who made the spartan 3s and 4s right? And spartans spoke a lot in any media outside the games cheif was act known for being very quite only opening up to people close to him which was a big contrast even with in his team where they where very vocal and even hanged around with marines and odst I mean look at red team there like teenagers having fun most of the time and that's bungie lore

@devildolphin2102

Жыл бұрын

343 made Spartan 4s. Bungie Made Spartan 3s who are Really rare, due to being Literal Super Suicide Soldiers.

@thomasmiller8476

Жыл бұрын

There's a good reason the main characters hardly talk in the bungie era but 343 needed chief to have a gf.

@sealco

Жыл бұрын

Bruh chief is still a vessel and if you wont to tell me halo 4 or 343 broke that trend, then maybe you should replay ce, where he constantly talks and is very expressive in movement

@getsueinaito

Жыл бұрын

@@devildolphin2102 I thought spartan 1 failed to take off, 2 were essentially adult super soldiers like captain america but also could be designed with augmentations. 3s were raised from childhood to become super soldiers with a military mindset

"343 hasn't EARNED Halo." Always comes to mind, when thinking of the Halo games they produced, Bungie cared about what they produced, and furthermore where passionate about this series, and that always shined through, by comparison however, 343's Halo games come across as "milk a beloved franchise because we can."

@Voltboy1449

Жыл бұрын

what's worse is 343 was started by bungie employees who wanted to continue the franchise

@schnoz2372

Жыл бұрын

They sure did milk it, milked it to death.

@m4x927

Жыл бұрын

passionate? didn't they want to move from halo after like halo 2?

@graye2799

Жыл бұрын

@@Voltboy1449 nope, thats a myth that's been debunked over and over. Only a few bungie employees went to 343 and the few that did weren't really responsible for how the original trilogy turned out. Frankie was basically the guy who did miscellaneous stuff at the company and somehow wound up in charge of halos creative direction.

@nagger8216

Жыл бұрын

@@m4x927 Yes, and they still put in a massive effort with each Halo game. Which speaks to their character and integrity, if anything. Especially when you compare it to 343's pathetic attempts.

I thought that since the banished don’t have the “kill all humans” motive of the covenant, and apparently in the books they do recruit human criminals, it would be a cool thing to be able to fight human enemies.

@jonathanoriley8260

Жыл бұрын

The entire fashion in which 343 utilized the Banished in Infinite just ruined whatever potential they had.

@Onxide

Жыл бұрын

Imagine a banished Spartan

@MrChickennugget360

Жыл бұрын

that would have been awesome to have human enemies. This could also set up for future prequel games set before REACH where you play as both Human Spartans and the Covenant. Fight missions against the Covenant then play missions against the UNSC.

@shcdemolisher

Жыл бұрын

@@MrChickennugget360 Yeah!! A jumping between both sides, seeing how they react and so on.

@MikefromBB7

Жыл бұрын

there will never be fighting enemy marines cuz some in halo are women and the teen rating will never allow players to kill human women. same reason the flood wont be back either.

" Youve defeated a galactic empire, a universe destroying parasite, and an actual Forerunnner. Now youll fight... space monkey pirates, I guess.

@shrumgus5608

Жыл бұрын

Not even the biggest baddest one

@Munnwort

Жыл бұрын

I honestly think the Banished would’ve been an amazing enemy had they been handled correctly

@shrumgus5608

Жыл бұрын

@@Munnwort they really do just feel like red covenant, really would’ve liked their brutal survivalist aspects fleshed out

@nagger8216

Жыл бұрын

@@Munnwort I mean, anything has the potential to be good if it's handled correctly. That's such a meaningless observation lmfao

@jebes909090

Жыл бұрын

Now you'll face......bigots!

It’s so sad to see a franchise I have loved so much die in my arms

@WonderboxGamerGirl

Жыл бұрын

I feel this…

@n1njahawkssecondchannel84

Жыл бұрын

Me too man & it’s the one that got me wanting to play all my life now halo is dead

@xxbublebee123

Жыл бұрын

Jesus loves you. Jesus is returning soon. There will be a rapture soon.

@allwinissac4924

Жыл бұрын

Wait till the nezt halo comes out!!!!

Dude Blur Literally Gave 343 Half a Dozen new Banished Characters to use in the story. So they Kill them all off and use Faceless Grunts and One New character who immediately dies. Halo Wars 2 Semi-Saved halo For a little bit and 343 ignored and Killed it.

@stevenstodd16

Жыл бұрын

😞😞😡

@thesaltmerchant4564

Жыл бұрын

Yeah halo wars two was pretty mid when all is said and done. What’s weird it might be their best game

@jackdeviluke3969

Жыл бұрын

Only because they tried to appeal to toxic nostalgia fanboys like you guys

@devildolphin2102

Жыл бұрын

@@jackdeviluke3969 So Your saying halo 4, 5, and cosmetic shop Infinite are “Good” Is that a Hill you really want to Die on. Or are you that much of a shill.

@jackdeviluke3969

Жыл бұрын

@@devildolphin2102 I'll die on the hill of 4 being good 5 being meh and Infinite being nostalgia bait garbage

I love the flood absolutely loved them and was so excited when we went to a new ring and nothing they were nowhere to be seen

@theorbitalone7283

Жыл бұрын

Didnt chief stop the flood? Ive never been a fan of fighting them, some of the worst missions involve them. But love their concept, id like to see a new threat similar to them though.

@chubbyanimalenthusiast70

Жыл бұрын

@@theorbitalone7283 there is flood on every ring in halo 1 he blew up the ring killing all those flood then in halo 2 they found another ring which had gravemind then in halo 3 they blew them all up

@DPH_Psychosis

Жыл бұрын

This is because 343 insisted on T rating, this the flood isn't allowed now. They were my favorite part of Halo lore too. Sad.

@KaiNLinda

Жыл бұрын

So much for the biggest threat of the galaxy.

@becauseiwantto2467

Жыл бұрын

And considering the ring infinite takes place on it’s stupid that the flood isn’t in the game

when we found that wounded spartan IV in the tower of pain. i was so excited thinking we were gonna get a new side character that would just be an injured spartan protecting the pilot. offering insight and data. then he died lol

@m4x927

Жыл бұрын

well he ain't no spartan 2, bro was tortured for days and still didn't tell them anything

Bonnie Ross was the worst thing to happen to this franchise.

@ArgentWolf95

Жыл бұрын

She was Kathleen Kennedy of Halo.

@Ghostman223

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't she the manager of the money and stuff? What's she have anything to do with this?

@kamman1374

Жыл бұрын

@@Ghostman223 ummm, as the head of the studio she was directly responsible for the direction of the IP. This isn't like a normal, company, since 343 was specifically created for Halo. She didn't replace staff when things failed and went as far as to ripping scripts when it didn't focus on non halo stuff. IE gender, race and other pc woke bs. Go look up the articles and forums.

@ArgentWolf95

Жыл бұрын

@@Ghostman223 The whole push for a 'Broader Audience' was her corporate decision, it was also her responsibility for deciding the positions of the dev Halo team under her, but the responsibility does not lie on her alone. If she was just the Central Financial Officer she'd have no influence on the game dev, but Companies in entertainment industries are a little less simple. Her job was more alike to Kathleen A Kennedy's role in Lucasfilm, and she was running things as badly. I don't hate her as a person, but am very displeased with how her management has made a mess of a sci fio that could be as loved and well known as Star Wars. in the 2000's a Halo release was the first game that was like Star Wars releases.

@graye2799

Жыл бұрын

@@ArgentWolf95 people don't give enough shit to frank o Connor as well. While Bonnie Ross get alot of deserved shit thrown her way, Frank was basically responsible for all of Halos narrative shortcomings since halo 4. He's the one who retconed the Forerunners.

That idea of having the Chief come across some marines holed up in a cave, evading patrols, is exactly the kind of thing Infinite needed, small story moments that you can stumble across and that organically open up gameplay opportunities.

@nagger8216

Жыл бұрын

Well, we got that with the Pilot.. and it was shit.. so... I just think 343 just needs new writers

@shcdemolisher

Жыл бұрын

@@nagger8216 Writers and people who are ACTUAL fans of Halo!

This perfectly captures all my frustrations with 343's Halo, I really hope someone at 343 sees this because they need to understand its not just the art style we are tired of its the lack of character diversity and a meaningful plot.

@TT-uy5el

Жыл бұрын

yesss. I finished the halo infinite campaign in like january of this year and I honestly don't even remember what infinite was about. Other than fighting Atriox like i don't remember what the point of it was lol

@jabalzy6982

Жыл бұрын

@@TT-uy5el I don’t think 343 even knew what the point of it was

@TT-uy5el

Жыл бұрын

@@jabalzy6982 😂

@nigeltheoutlaw

Жыл бұрын

When will these corporations get that diversity doesn't just mean having the United Nations on screen? It means actual diverse personalities, viewpoints, and beliefs. A palette swap isn't cutting it.

Think of it like this, Microsoft's logo used to have red, green, blue and yellow, it used to be full of color. It's now grey. Halo used to be full of color, under 343 it's grey. The problem isn't just 343, it's the people Microsoft hired, they've lost all semblance of creativity.

@zedster8200

Жыл бұрын

It's depressing, dude.

@dddddddddddddddddddd647

Жыл бұрын

Such a great statement! Sad to see this is the direction shit ends up going in

@shcdemolisher

Жыл бұрын

It's more or less everywhere.

Another thing that’s missing: Scarab Fights. What happened? I friggin loved those. To see a Banished Scarab in Infinite would be cool.

At 9:28 you really make a valid point. Not only that.. THE SPACES TO TELL THOSE STORIES WERE THERE. Each Skull location had so much potential for a Marine dialogue event. EACH data pad location could've done more than play a voice memo from an iphone.

I agree mostly, but I have one issue. Joseph Staten is doing the writing now. He even confessed on camera that he didn't have time to reshape the story of Infinite in just a year. I think that any future Halo campaigns will have the Bungie trilogy vibes with him in charge.

@doomguy2020

Жыл бұрын

I hope and pray

@EL-ISS

Жыл бұрын

This is going to be the next halo for ten off years ... I guess there's hope for the DLCs but ain't no way they can change the main story now for the better without retconning a bunch of stuff.

@goldencrown1680

Жыл бұрын

@@EL-ISS doesn’t sound like a problem to me

@97Crazysteve

Жыл бұрын

He also knew about the terrible monetization in Infinite and said they "we're taking a player-first perspective on their design choices and monetization choices". He knew how bad it would be. HE KNEW. Joseph Staten is compromised, he is one of them. He is not the great person we once knew.

@doomguy2020

Жыл бұрын

@@97Crazysteve Either that or he may have also had his hands tied/had no control of that aspect and just couldn't say much besides 343's buzzword jargon. But like every single other fucking thing with Halo, we'll have to wait and see if his influence steers things in a better direction

WHY WASNT ESHROOM INFECTED WITH SOMEE KIND OF SLOW FORMING FLOOD SPORE AND AT THE END OF THE GAME BECAME A FLOOD HIVEMIND THING WHAT A PLOT TWIST THAT WOULDA BEEN

I agree with most of this except for the part about Escharum. It was easy to tell that he slowly dying and wanted to cement his legacy, and I appreciated that this is the one piece of media followed the "Show, don't tell" philosophy. He's coughing constantly, clearly sick, and simply wants to leave a mark. I'm sick of movies explaining every single thing that happens because people aren't paying attention.

@BrunoSantos-jp1lv

Жыл бұрын

THE ONE PIECE IS REEEEAAAALLLLL!!

@nagger8216

Жыл бұрын

Beating the audience over the head isn't much better than just telling us, but it is at least an improvement

Remember chips dubbo? he had more character than every single 343 written character

@samlund8543

Жыл бұрын

Fuck, you know what I just realized? There isn’t a single named marine OC in all of 343’s games. Not one. No new marines to replace Johnson, Dubbo, Stacker, etc - it’s all just bland Spartans now.

@No_Maidens1

Жыл бұрын

More character then every single 343 character written combined

I get that they were going for the Halo ce style but they should have made certain areas of the ring controlled by the banished look something similar to a world war 2 battleground with lots of environmental devistation. the banished in Halo wars 2 were a lot more threathening looking than they are in Halo infinite.

Thank you for saying the ending to infinite was a cliff hanger. Other people disagree with it

@FallenTerrarian

Жыл бұрын

Well, 2 was a cliff hanger, so was 5, but Infinite sets it up for DLC especially for the open world!

@RoyalMudcrab

Жыл бұрын

@@FallenTerrarian and where the fuck is it?

@FallenTerrarian

Жыл бұрын

@@RoyalMudcrab probably being made??

@SeanJohn127

Жыл бұрын

@@FallenTerrarian doubtful. They cant even add simple multiplayer modes, let alone firefight.

@FallenTerrarian

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanJohn127 idk that new mode was a lot of fun! Firefight will come out eventually so will the dlc.

The audio logs fill a lot of the holes in infinite's plot. I agree that having an enemy strike force hunting down the chief would be an amazing feature. I'm looking forward to the dlc that will come out for halo infinite. Hopefully it won't take another 5 years.

@Nikos.

Жыл бұрын

I found a big portion of them, but i wish more happened in gane outside of those, I wanna play what happened in those logs

@ia19753

Жыл бұрын

The audio logs are medicore at best.

@nickm5419

Жыл бұрын

@@ia19753 Halo Infinite is MGS 5

@UnifiedEntity

Жыл бұрын

Yes but audio logs are more of world building for the state which Halo infinite takes place. It doesn't fill the gap of using characters like Lasky, Hood, Arbiter etc as well as the character interactions. Hell, we lost an opportunity of seeing chief interacting with the spartans before they died.

@eskil5306

Жыл бұрын

Coonsoomer

Remember that large vehicle assault in halo 3 on that sandy area (I forgot the mission name) it still is my most favorite halo mission of all time

@GargungulusGrunguloid

Жыл бұрын

The Ark?

@stickthelanding4785

Жыл бұрын

@@GargungulusGrunguloid yeah that one

@m4x927

Жыл бұрын

i gotta say 2 had a better story then 3, but by far my favorites r probably odst and reach.

@bruhgod123

Жыл бұрын

@@GargungulusGrunguloid wtf is ur pfp

@ScurvyMcGruff

Жыл бұрын

I agree. The Ark is still my favorite Halo mission. It aged very well too. The scale of everything is nuts, and it still has plenty of non vehicle combat to mix things up. It doesn't hurt that it's followed by the Covenant, another great mission.

Great review of the state of Halo. The lack of character is a big issue with Halo Infinite, that and the lack of features (especially legacy features like campaign coop 💔)

One thing I'd say infinite did well in my opinion was the cutscenes, I loved the one shot takes and the final interaction with Cortana and the chief was very satisfying

@Janx14

Жыл бұрын

Honestly they felt lazy and uninspired to me, they're almost all people talking to holograms in dark rooms. The weapon's face is really bad at times and Cortana looks like a bad cosplayer of her.

@becauseiwantto2467

Жыл бұрын

But the one shot cutscenes means we can’t have stuff like massive space battle without it being goofy

Halo CE did the isolation bit where you were so stranded against an overwhelming force and you fight to try and form some kind of resistence. And it did it flawlessly. Halo Reach did the lost cause bit where you are fighting to stay alive, to hold off the inevitable, where you are losing the war. And it did it flawlessly. This game tries to do both and ends up doing neither well.

Preach. I personally care less about the story than the multiplayer gameplay and side items like customization and stats, but even those things are lack luster in some ways and even officially scuffed in some. But even as a person who enjoys one aspect of content more than another it still pains me to see halo’s story also be sooo lacking. Even though my main focus is multiplayer and personal customization I still LOVED bungie’s halo stories in the first 4 games growing up! Absolutely golden!! 343 really doesn’t have the skills bungie has. Halo war 1&2 stories were awesome though, but 343 were helped a lot by creative assembly with that.

Hunt The Truth was the single best piece of Halo content 343 came up with

@samlund8543

Жыл бұрын

And it was basically false advertising

Rip Halo

The stories in Halo have some intriguing ideas, that are never fully realized. The lack of depth is what makes the new campaigns so forgetful.

In Bungie halo Halsey and ONI were Gray. They did bad things like Kidnap children or the Flood Infected Mona Lisa. But also did amazing Things like the Spartans, saved engineers, Suicided a captured Covenant flagship to destroy a Covie Fleet to save master chief. In 343 Halsey is literally Hitler and ONI are Gestapo. The Entirety of Hunt the truth Audio series was Disgusting seeing ONI become Mustache twirling Bad guys with all the Nuance thrown away.

@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646

Жыл бұрын

Not true. Unless you read the books (which Bungie considered B tier since it wasn't their creation), then ONI and Halsey are painted as heroes before 343 stepped in.

@devildolphin2102

Жыл бұрын

@@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646 Well. Depends on the Book. All Bungie books didn’t outright say if they were bad guys but didn’t kinda paint humanity as Morally Grey because they would do anything to avoid extinction. Evolutions Painted ONI as more Villainous. With Mona Lisa and the Brute Camp. While First strike and Fall of Reach and Ghosts of Onyx had a more Positive light. Hell Major Ackerson the bad guy of Reach is Kinda nice and good in Onyx. In 343 Everyone of ONI is Generic Disney Bad guy and it’s all watered down to the point it feels like it’s written by 5 year olds.

@samlund8543

Жыл бұрын

It’s worth noting that Mona Lisa is technically 343’s idea since they organized/published Evolutions, but yeah otherwise I agree, most nuance got thrown away when Bungie left.

The only Banished character I thoroughly enjoyed in Infinite was Bassus, and he literally dies after minute of screen time. Bassus is really the only character to evoke that Bungie era character feeling. He is the definition of a Brute, impulsive, loud, ruthless, cunning yet short sighted. The way he just "Spartans not so tough I think, break open easy. Soft inside?" was among my favorite moments in the entire game and one of the few times the game actually felt genuinely nostalgic and "iconic" instead of some forced imitation of the classics. Bassus is the only Brute to actually feel like a Brute

There is a video titled ‘we were forerunner’ or something like that. It nicely pins the blame of the direction of 343s canon on Frankie O Connor. It’s a good video, has me convinced Frank not only knew next to nothing about the franchise but has irreparably damaged it. Not to say that Bungie didn’t have their issues, I just didn’t expect the worst of the issue to follow the franchise into 343. At the very least Infinite is a narrative reboot in some ways so maybe subsequent games can tell and follow a more compelling story. I just doubt it.

Good points in the video, agree with everything. 343 really obsessed with spartans, in last update to mcc they even renamed season points to spartan points. Why? What's the point? I'm not even talk about ability to play as elites, so this decision doesn't make any sense

@botpenn4672

Жыл бұрын

and then 343 comes out saying they're removing playable elites from mcc

@shcdemolisher

Жыл бұрын

@@botpenn4672 Oh god no!!

THANK YOU! Amen! I've been saying this! 343 is so damn obsessed with Spartans and the whole Spartan experience that it loses the cool effect Spartans had cause there's tons of em now. That's probably why we won't see any playable elites any time soon, even though lore wise it would make sense and be totally badass for elites to be training with Spartans! 😔 the banished are just kinda neutered and lifeless without much reason unlike the religious covenant and the lies of the prophets. Many good characters just vanished! Like, one of the few good new ones, Lasky, is just gone. Much of New 343 halo revolves to much around chief. He was always a main character, but he was just there apart of something bigger, the unsc and the survival of humanity! There's barely any marines anymore, which is a damn shame. I miss the military fantasy halo was. Hell, even the new show they don't care about past characters and replace them entirely. I wanted Johnson so bad, but now I'm glad he's not in it as they'll probably just wreck his character too. 😅 😔 I miss the classic stuff, man! I miss Arbiter and halos identity. I feel apart of halo's charm and personality really died back then when Johnson left us. Halo lost something then. Regardless, good video as always, my dude! 👍🏻

@crimsonwolf5397

Жыл бұрын

Amen to that, the UNSC has been neutered and kicked to the curbside unfavorably to give the "Spartan program" some spotlight which is why I don't play any 343 Halo games like they could have expanded the UNSC with the UNSC Army troopers and Air force which in my opinion are underrated, and deserve some respect after all they fought along side noble six in reach all the way to the piller of autumn.

@optiTHOMAS

Жыл бұрын

@@crimsonwolf5397 indeed! Without the marines and other soldiers, it all feels less worth fighting for and takes away so much charm and personality the marines gave to the series! Definitely! I've been reading the Halo Encyclopedia, and it delves more into so many different branches of fhe UNSC like the air force, army, navy, and even ONI. It'd be cool to see more humanity. Amen, comrade! 👍🏻

@crimsonwolf5397

Жыл бұрын

@@optiTHOMAS It would be cool to see the UNSC Army Airborne including the Pathfinders that made me team Brown and tan.

343 have no respect for what Halo was before they got their hands on it. I miss the ODDT's I don't know why 343 moved them to the side and pretty much made them Spartans :(

*Nikos talking about Flood:* They’ve been completely forgotten. *Me who remembers the halo 4 and Halo 2 Anniversary MP flood:* °-°

all this years and cortana hasn't awaken the chief, and he is having a nightmare, thats how I see this 343 universe

Wym it lost its identity? The last Halo game was Reach.

@stevenstodd16

Жыл бұрын

😂

@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646

Жыл бұрын

You mean the game that badically said "fuck you" to the expanded universe?

@hydrophobia936

Жыл бұрын

@@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646 If it aint in the games then I dont care lmao

I sometimes dream of what halo games there would be today if Bungie were still developing them :(

@ElGaby323

Жыл бұрын

Reach was pretty mediocre, so I don't think they would've done any better.

@deriznohappehquite

Жыл бұрын

@@ElGaby323 Reach was used to test ideas for Destiny. If Bungie didn’t want to leave Halo, ODST and Reach would have been very different games.

@DragonKnight90001

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it would probably be better than 343’s but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

@ls200076

Жыл бұрын

Don't think it would be any better tbh.

@aaahhh4130

Жыл бұрын

@@ElGaby323 bro how was reach mediocre?

I miss when halo missions felt like real military campaigns. I miss radio chatter between squads of over UNSC personnel. Even the Pelican pilots were given names and characters

I thought the game made it quite clear escharum was sick and that his fight with the chief was meant to be his final stand rather than succumbing to illness tbh. He was wheezing in all the later cutscenes and gasping for breathe

@Nikos.

Жыл бұрын

I picked up on it but some of the viewers and others were very confused, regardless his character still bored me, I wish they wrote the villains better

@Janx14

Жыл бұрын

@@Nikos. Escharum feels paradoxical. He wants to fight chief, but makes almost no effort to have a proper duel with him. Instead he kind of lazily sends his forces now and then at chief, and makes some weird trap to draw him in to have some silly duel with a pain transference machine. If he wanted to fight chief, he should have just gone out and fought him himself. He seems to be pointlessly sacrificing his forces if he expects chief will reach him.

@doomguy2020

Жыл бұрын

@@Janx14 I chalk it up to him trying to save every bit of energy he has left, and his obsession with getting it done right. It's almost like a final ceremonial/spiritual event for him and he doesn't just want to fight him anywhere or risk it going wrong somehow

I love you point about 343s power trip spartons. However, I cannot agree with you on Esheram, I thought he was one of the best villans in the game. And you say that the game doesn't explain that he wanted a final fight with chief, but I thought they were remarkably clear with that. They did a perfect example of show don't tell with him. We can figure that out in all the cutscenes, I wasn't confused at all.

@Nikos.

Жыл бұрын

I picked up on it, but tons of others were confused. I like the subtlty for sure, and I wish they leaned into it a bit more and gave him a more likable character, I did not like him personally

@ordinary1069

Жыл бұрын

@@Nikos. that's fair.

343 is decent at clicking the Copy paste button. But everything else like the passion and soul of Halo left with Reach

Thank u! Reach was just too good to move away from allowing it to end the way it had is bs I needed more! Being your own spartan in the campaign is more incredible than being Master Chief 🥺 to be fair MC had his time from Halo combat evolved to Halo 3, being ourselves should have been the new beginning

This covered my thoughts exactly I don’t care much about multiplayer so it’s heart breaking to see the story neglected like this for so long

You sir, have hit on points I rarely hear from other reviews and such. So few even mention the topic of the flood or the fact that the writing in general has so many flaws now. Only one other youtuber I can think of mentioned our undead hive, and that's because it literally gave him a path to go down in life biology. I just played Halo 4 for the first time recently, and one thing I noticed immediately was Master Chief was talking a lot. It bugged me because he was always kind of stoic, you know the strong and silent type, now he's having decent conversations. Granted most of them are with Cortana, but it stuck out to me. There's plenty wrong with these games, but I will say your video has earned a sub from me, Good Job!

15 seconds in and he’s already 100% right!

that is something i have been repeating for ages Halo is a story about humanity trying to survive unfavorable odds, not a story about spartans

You brought up some very good points in this video. You opened my eyes to just how much motivation is actually missing from Halo infinites world. You don’t meet marines that you would protect with your life, you don’t get excited to meet the villain again after your last encounter, you don’t Feel the pain and hopelessness humanity should feel at the very edge of their genocide. There definitely should have been something like base camps where chief can take up rest among other marines and interact with them, maybe even have a marine engineer do your suit upgrades with parts you found around the world. It would’ve also been nice to see the marines get better equipment while the game progressed. Starting off in their prisoner outfits and then getting their armor when humanity was strong enough. Even seeing the chief do mundane task like eat, sleep, or even clean his weapons among fellow marines and see how that affected him would’ve been amazing. I hope 343 can learn the importance of the little things, and that the Spartans are just one piece of a once beautiful puzzle. (I still think infinites campaign is among the best Halo experiences I’ve had, especially in recent time though.)

The Spartans were regarded as behemoths whenever they're present on the battlefield, mowing down Covenant w/ relative ease. And while Reach underlined the more human and vulnerable side of the Spartans, in turn reiterating the grave threat of the Covenant, these factors lead to what playing as, and the role of Chief more legendary. Then 343 diluted the importance of the Spartans with their increased numbers in the Spartan 4 program, and have them act like undisciplined marines, (which is probably the point). 343 treated the Spartans as more action heroes than an intimidating presence on the battlefield.

The most unfortunate part of halo infinites story is that the audio logs were amazing and were a great side story, and felt like a very involving story, but we never experience it.

@bigdoggo5827

Жыл бұрын

343i in a nutshell. They get good writers for the lore, but it is only in text, it would be fine if they weren't so lazy. But they prefer to sell the good stories in books

@ravensailiata

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdoggo5827 the characters, banished, spartan, and standard unsc all were very well written in the audio logs, and seeing absolutely none of it mentioned in the campaign disappointed me, the spartans in the story were constantly on the backfoot, horvath being completely on his own, a female marine writing a heartfelt goodbye message to her son before car bombing a banished outpost. It felt impactful, it just never was in the main story-

@graye2799

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdoggo5827 their lore is built on retcons of bungies lore.

“Come on, dad!” line was delivered so well lol

can't appreciate enough how good we had it in the old days and first games, glad I grew up with those

At this point your just throwing fire at a burning building my friend.

I've had the same exact thought as of recent. Halo has indeed lost its identity. My friend and I were having this exact discussion a little over a year ago about how 343 completely butchered the art style and story of halo. The thing about Bungie's design choices for halo is that they were all very, very distinct. Every ship, vehicle, enemy, you name it, is uniquely designed and easily recognizable. 343 "boiled" down the covenant and the UNSC by giving them more complex yet generic designs, which alienated them from their own identity. It was the simplicity that Bungie gave their designs that gave halo its unique feeling. They weren't overly complex nor were they too simple. Luckily, 343 has started backtracking on their design choices and tried to give us fans what we have always wanted. That being the original designs that Bungie made which made Halo Halo. I'm afraid it's too late for backtracking though. I'm pretty much done with 343's games, and if I want to have a good time playing Halo, it's going to be in Halo 2, 3, and Reach. It's saddening to say, but your title could not be more true. Halo has indeed lost its identity and from the looks of it, it's not coming back. Side note: Game design is just one aspect of why Halo doesn't feel like Halo anymore. The music, sound design, and story are all off too.

Thank you for this. Halo has been my favorite gaming storyline since I was a kid. The way it has been handled brings me nothing but cold sadness. This video is a perfect summary why.

Halo has had an Identity crisis since 343 took over with Halo 4. Infinite has found it slightly. It’s missing the fundamentals, like what made the Bungie Campaigns great, missing game modes, progression, etc.

Personally I really love the Spartan IVs and the expanded lore, seeing what goes on outside Master Chief and his impact of the people is so cool! It give me goosebumps whenever he is mentioned in a book or another game. Like Halo Wars 2, when Isabella was talking about the destruction on the Ark. I just smiled when she said it was the doing of Master Chief.

@Nikos.

Жыл бұрын

Dog the chief is the best character, and the spartans are cool, we really needed better spartan 4 characters though, woulda been sick to fight alongside some good characters

@FallenTerrarian

Жыл бұрын

@@Nikos. True, the ones in Infinite seemed cool, but they passed, Osiris has Vale and Buck, but Lock is okay. Palmer is cool so is The Spartan Ops campaign. But I think our character is meant to replace that Spartan IV, so I can see why we lack characters if that’s the case.

@colin4tor781

Жыл бұрын

@@Nikos. the spartans in Rubicon protocol are fucking awesome

I will say Infinites campaign is the first new Halo game we've had where it feels fun to fight the enemies again. 343 did a perfect job recapturing that 30 seconds of fun.

@Nikos.

Жыл бұрын

Big facts, the gameplay loop is solid

@nickm5419

Жыл бұрын

@@Nikos. Halo 4 and 5 are Halo, plays fine

@samlund8543

Жыл бұрын

They got the 30 seconds of fun down nicely… but did they get the 30 hours of content to make you stick around? No.

"Giant bucket list to run errands" - EXACTLY how this campaign felt. 343 needs to contract Bungie for their campaigns

Use baking soda on the pickles in halo 2 inside your console to clean it. If you have 3 jars of pickles but zero sliced jars, use a knife to create sliced glass with pickles inside it.

One thing 343 does not understand about Halo is the story should be almost completely conflict driven. In Bungie's Halo games the story never hinged on the Master Chief as hard as 343's games did.

The marines in infinite feel so family friendly. Idk what it is but it feels like a halo 2/3 marine would make infinites marines shit themselves.

@shcdemolisher

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I blame the teen rating, if it was M then it would be a lot more appropraite. Hearing them swear and actually yell good insults, and hearing the Banished do the same! More good battle banter is ALWAYS a plus!

They named themselves after one of the main antagonists, you know they don't have fans interests in mind.

"And when everyone's super... nobody is"

Great to see people covering this at last. #fire343

I finally was able to get an Xbox Series X yesterday, and I will not replay Infinite lmao.

tbh I think it was obvious that this series was in trouble just after playing the first hour of Halo 4 all the way back in 2012. Between Master Chief's new edgy armour, Cortana's heaving underboob, and The Covenant quickly being replaced by a roster of enemies that can be described in totality as "silver and spiky with orange glowy bits", the writing was on the wall. A lot of fans understandably didn't want to admit it back then, but it has been 10 years. We can admit it now lol.

bro the end was soo blend and yet soo touching. nice video.

Speaking of the Banished, how come the Covenant "never came close to stopping them" but they pop up out of nowhere and a half staffed Spirit of Fire can frequently foil their plans? Also for being mercs and hired guns, why are they trying to activate the ring and kill themselves? I know it's because boohoo Cortana did bad thing to Atriox, but what about LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE.

11:04 I think you mean 343 is woefully unequiped to do anything. They cant make a game. They cant make a show. They cant make a story. They cant run a tournament. They cant run a live service. They cant expand the lore. And they cant keep their senior staff from leaving.

"But-but it's written for the 'Modern Audience!!'"

All the gameplay I see of this game looks like a player created map on Far cry 4 with the assets replaced with Halo ones. The terrain is very smooth and simple.

I love how 343 removed absolutely every feature that made Halo unique. Assassinations? Gone. Guess who has them with improved animations now though? Call of Duty… 14 year old me would be screaming at the notion

I've been told that 343 has in fact written good Halo stories... in the novels. I couldn't say how novel stuff could be brought into the games in a worthwhile way but 343's priorities seem a tad off. There's some good stuff in the 343 Terminals but that's side content, not something most players will experience. Just saying, 343 made 2 games and had to make a spiritual reboot with Halo Inifinite.

@blueguy2128

Жыл бұрын

No they haven't 😂 I can't even finish a few of their piece of shit books cuz it's so ridiculously stupid. Like Bucks story, or the book where Chief and Blue Team head back to reach. God awful books

343 fell into something I’m dubbing “the space marine effect” They lost focus of the rest of the universe and neglect it because the space marines (or in Halo’s case the spartans) are what games workshop or 343 think people are the most interested in. Leaving the other core aspects of the universe that people love out to dry.

The Halo Infinite peak player count for all of October was 5,575 with an average player count of 2,564.... It's obvious they need more cat ears.

The universe honestly shrank considerably after Reach. It’s sad

Halo is lost, Halo died, Halo was dead a long time ago. Wonder was next.

While I'm not a long time fan of Halo, the thing that really impressed me about the original games was the momentum of the story. It starts with an odd stillness and ramps up so by the end of the first mission you're constantly being driven forward by objectives or circumstances. Even stealth or traversal maps has to keep you moving. Infinite had none of that. All forward progress hits a brick wall the second the open world comes in. The tone and flow of the collectables and side stuff makes the entire mission feel inconsequential.

Glad other people are FINALLY realizing this. I was saying these kinds of things when I STARTED playing 4. I got 4 the day after it came out.

Dang, so this is a "Broader Audience" level of writting This is awful, 343 should stop this massacre

@nrXic

Жыл бұрын

The "broader audience" thing affected the gameplay where they were chasing CoD and its stellar success. The story changes were done to compare to Sony's best games, making the story more interpersonal. Which worked out ok with Halo 4 but not at all with Halo 5 (it would have been far more suitable as an ODST style game). Infinite seems like the first act of a story.

Halo Infinite's open world could have had so much potential, but turn out to be more bland than a Ubisoft game. The world is static and boring. Here's how Infinite's campaign could have been done better: - Wanted level: As you complete campaign missions and take out high value targets, the more Banished potrals you incounter in the world. You could even have up until the point where the Banished are sending Scarabs to try and stop you. Imagine walking into an open area, just for a Scarab to drop down and you are thrown into a battle. - Night is more Dangerous: when the wanted level is high, at night you have higher chance of being struck down by silent shadow elites, or better yet (remember when Escharum tells Jega to follow Chief from a distance). Imagine you are just standing around at night and Jega appears out of nowhere and fights you, and then when his health bar gets low enough he vanishes into the night. - Call in Marine support: after you save marines at camps or find them in remote locations, you can have Brohammer take them in the pelican. You can take the marines to the FOBs where they can suit up, and then call them in for battle when you are in the open world. You could give them call signs to "follow me" or "stay put." These are just some of the many great ideas that could have made Infinite's campaign better.

@Nikos.

Жыл бұрын

I would love all of these ideas

@stevenstodd16

Жыл бұрын

That’s genius thinking

I miss playable elites. There too many "meh" spartan cosmetics that should have been used those resources to make elite armors

A great way to really make it feel like a war would be that the banished can take back taken outposts or when u spawn on the outposts there fighting so it makes it feels like an actual war

The Karen Travis books, post Halo 3, were so badass. Essentially ONI were secretly undermining the Elites and Jul Mdama found out. He eventually found a Colony of elites who still worshipped the Forerunners. He knew it was nonsense but he used their religion to reform the Covenant as a means to exact revenge and slaughter of humanity. His death in H5 was such a waste.

@samlund8543

Жыл бұрын

I’ve got my problems with the Travis books (especially since she won’t stfu about Halsey being the root of all evil every five minutes), but this was the aspect I really liked and made me look forward to ONI leaning even further into the moral gray; they were basically setting the elites up to kill themselves, but after a quarter century of genocide and continuing resentment towards humans… can you really blame them? The depth towards fleshing out the elites post-H3 was also a welcome addition. Of course, later 343 media made ONI out to be little more than the evil Gestapo, and as you mentioned the whole Jul Mdama storyline got totally wasted.

9:10 Ironically enough, Bethesda games do that. Fallout 3 has random bosses like Albino Radscorpions and Deathclaws ambush you, while Skyrim and New Vegas have elite soldiers like Legion assassins or Thalmor Justiciars ambush you on the road. You'd think that if 343 wanted to copy the open-world formula from Bethesda, they'd implement such good ideas.

5:25 One critique: 343 Brutes are orks in Ironman armor. They lack any of the charm or character of Bungie's Brutes with their stylized armor reminiscent of Trojan myrimdons.

I'd like to see a halo game from the perspective of a regular marine it could be like darktide but halo

Spartans are cool, but Halo is about the UNSC as a whole as you mention (and later their Elite allies) banding together to stop the threats that faced them. Spartans are merely one aspect of the good guys, and other people like Marines and ODSTs should get the spotlight they deserve too. Something I like in the Bungie titles is that while the Chief is an important hero, he's not the center of the universe, as was Noble 6 and the Rookie. Johnson, Miranda, Spark, Arbiter, Keyes, and others were just as important as they are (and even Lasky. The one character I actually like from 343 and they take him away). It makes me think of how in Infinite, Escharum is like "NO, AN ARMY CANNOT STOP HIM", but at the end of Reach, the Covenant literally sends an army to kill Noble Six and they succeed, spartans are not the be-all-end-all.

Ngl im kinda glad they didnt bring back the flood, because knowing 343 they would have completely fucked it up

343: hey, let’s play this new next gen halo game, with awesome textures and new vehicles Halo players: The Ark, 4 players on legendary, but you can’t fire a gun, use granades, walk, jump or fart.

100% agree with you. You spoke what I had in my heart. Halo lost its identity. Music, gameplay, characters, story.

H5 multiplayer was GOAT

the best thing that 343 industries have ever made was the master chief collection to preserve the Bungie's legacy(except Halo 4 of course)

The banished are the best thing about new halo. It was creative assembly (total war guys) not 343 that made halo wars 2. So the best thing about new halo was not created by them but they took credit for it. That's why there seems to be a large disconnect in there writing & story between games.

@samlund8543

Жыл бұрын

Is that why HW2 is basically unplayable nowadays? Because CA went on to do new projects and 343 couldn’t be bothered to fix it?

A hidden wanted bar would have been good, and if you have a high wanted the banish patrols increase in a sector to the point where you are forced to go elsewhere, and if you are near one of the warlords they actively pursue you, until one of you are dead, unlike them just standing around waiting to get offed by a wasp. Marine rescue missions should have been how you meet up with named characters and do things with and for them to reestablish control of the ring, the chief floating through space should have lead into the attack on the infinity as a flashback to explain what happened to where we play it, so much could have been done to give us characters and moments. Like say you save stacker, now he has you go and steal a tank and some chain guns so his men can hold down a fob for you, or we get new humans, say an odst commander attempting to wage guerilla warfare, or a loyalist elite attempting to bring elites, grunts, hunters and the occasional disillusioned brute back into the arbiters fold. Instead of squidmonkeys we should have gotten drones back, where are the engineers. Infinite is the definition of wasted potential

@shcdemolisher

Жыл бұрын

Ohhh a wanted bar could work like in Destroy all humans, the more heat you gain, the more they attack you in high force with deadlier enemies.