FYI, virt-manager actually does have Haiku in the list of OSes, you just have to manually type it in. It comes up as "haikunightly." Hope this helps anyone else.

@nefarious_hobbyist

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow thanks!

@Mlaprades

Жыл бұрын

I used to love BEOS back in the day I'm glad there are still some remnants of it in play

@tartas1995

Жыл бұрын

Very helpful

BeOS was a contender to replace the old Mac OS 9 before Apple acquired NeXT. I guess in a parallel universe, BeOS went on and became Mac OS X while NeXT Step evolved into Haiku.

@GeoNeilUK

Жыл бұрын

NextStep probably would have gone on to become a BSD. A sort of alternative on the tier of OpenIndiana.

@yrkke_produkcija

Жыл бұрын

@@GeoNeilUK It couldn've become BSD, as BSD was there long before Next, or Mac, or Linux.

@fmlazar

Жыл бұрын

@@yrkke_produkcija Next however came with a killer dev kit and it’s overall design style was more in line with the “Apple Way”.

@yrkke_produkcija

Жыл бұрын

@@fmlazar That's true though.

@Vlad-1986

Жыл бұрын

I guess NeXT ended up as WindowManager, as Mac OS X went its way

I tried BeOS back in the day and even then it was a pretty powerful system. Their promises were for a media centric os back then. Played with Haiku a few times since and it does look good.

I remember a few years ago when I was porting my software (a c++ project with multiple dependencies including curl, libgit, etc) from linux to multiple os' and porting it to haiku was the easiest, it just worked without any changes and it was very easy to install the required software and dependencies. OpenBSD required 1 change and MacOS required a few more changes because MacOS doesn't properly support posix (and setting up the development environment was second to windows in annoyance).

@enkiimuto1041

Жыл бұрын

I was not expecting to read that

That combined, tabbed window thing is actually really cool.

@FreihEitner

Жыл бұрын

I wish some modern OSes (Windows, Mac) would take up BeOS'/Haiku's tabbed window features.

These type of projects are needed for soul satisfaction

BeOS was my daily driver for some years back in early 2000. Loved it! It was so blazing fast and did everything that I wanted. Also, their boot manager allowed me to make a BeOS/Windows/Linux triple boot machine!

What a pleasant surprise Derek!! I remember this is fondly. It's a great os with some really cool features. Happy new year and thanks for 2022!!!😀

Hakku OS is a great project. I've always enjoyed it but I found it to lacking to be a daily driver for my uses. I hope development moves forward on this operating system. Also I'd like to point out that if you use the 32 bit OS you can use the old BeOS applications without modification. That's a nice feature that they put into BeOS. However the 64 bit OS can't execute the old BeOS Binaries, you would have to recompile them to work with a 64bit kernel.

YES! Thank you for even covering this really interesting OS! I "check in" and see how it's going (kinda like Perl6) at Haiku every few yrs.

I remember BeOS machines being sold in my university bookstore. They looked soooo fast in rendering video and the desktop was so snappy. The only problem was there was no real software being developed for the platform, at least, not for long.

@sockettgirl

Жыл бұрын

sad, sounds like windows phone, every single experience with windows phone i had was MESMERIZING, even windows phone 7 is snappier than many mid range modern android devices

@godnyx117

Жыл бұрын

"nor real software" Cringe when people think and speak like that. What is a "real" software? "Cool" Adobe proprietary garbage?

@godnyx117

Жыл бұрын

@@sockettgirl And I thought I was the only one who liked them...

@FrDismasSayreOP

Жыл бұрын

@@godnyx117 Just software in general, is what I meant. A few apps, but not much else. Most software still came on discs, etc, back then, so when you see a cool PC, but not a lot to run on it, it did not make a good impression.

@godnyx117

Жыл бұрын

@@FrDismasSayreOP Aha! It seems I was fast to judge me friend! Thanks for the explanation, hope you can have more fun with modern OSes ;) I wish you to have an amazing day or night!

I used BeOS R5 on my PC for a while in the early 2000s when it had still at least fairly recently been in development. Enjoyed it and the unique features it had. I've been following Haiku over the years. Recently installed beta 4 on an old chromebook and I've been working to use it for some of my personal document management needs because the BFS attribute support makes it awesome for that kind of thing.

@sluxi

Жыл бұрын

@ChrisFromGreece Yeah same, I might never have even tried using BeOS or heard of it if I hadn't been a Linux user already at that point.

@ClayWeber

Жыл бұрын

I tried BeOS before I tried Linux, by just a short bit. I think I might be using Be if that had caught any sort of traction.

@jonzenrael

Жыл бұрын

I know i'm late to the party, but was this in the UK by any chance? I remember about 1999 there was a cover disk for one of the popular magazines (may have been .NET?), that gave BeOS away for free. Like you say it was not long out of development, and so the app support was pretty great - including modern web browsers. I used it in place of my daily drive linux machine for months. Coming from an Amiga oriented youth something just seemed 'right' about it, and the font and window rendering was so crisp compared to some of the sloppier linux DM's of the time. I wish I could use Haiku as my daily drive today. I'm planning on using it as a serial machine on my test bench to primarily monitor DiagROM serial output, and host legacy floppy drives. All it needs is a fully featured modern web browser and i'd be back on it in a heartbeat. It's a real shame its not *quite* there.

I bought BeOS 4 when it came out and ran it at home for a long time. Loved it. Used to hang out on the BeGroovy forums and had a BeMail account.

BeOs always makes me super relaxed, I think it's cause of the 90s demo video, which is probably the most relaxing video I've ever seen.

Just as I was thinking about it and looked the OS up, there I saw you having a video uploaded 10 mins ago. Live a century!

I love that wild 'Windows 95 on a fast system' instantaneous feel of Haiku. I think maybe it's the lack of animations?

Been playing with this for a long time now and it get's better with every release and is great.

I learned more than I expected from this and your whole approach ---- therefore subscribed as of now!

I stumbled across Haiku recently and did the same as you, spun it up in a VM and was impressed, a much better experience than I expected, it is indeed quite usable, it even has gcc pre-installed as was ssh/sftp so I was easily able to get stuff to try out from my other machines. To be honest I didn't know about BeOs in the '90s or I probably would have favoured it over the competition that was around at the time, it's a pity it fell by the wayside.

I used BeOS as a daily driver for about a year right around 1999/2000, on a dual P200 desktop. Loved it.

I haven't thought about BeOS for a while. I always loved the vector icons!

Great work Thank you and Happy New YEar DT 🥳🥳🥳

Great video and great coverage of Haiku!

I member Bryan Lunduke declared that Haiku was now ready to be a daily driver recently since some new web browser got a released on it.

that windows management - something so useful and yet so completely overlooked in so many OS's. This is why I like messin around with different distros and OS's. You never know what you might find that you knew you needed and maybe you didnt even know you needed so bad

My local Mom & Pop computer store was really big on BeOS, and it looked great, at the time I was using Win98 and the owner of the store suggested a second hard disk for my 386sx computer with 640k and some kinda video card, in order to properly run the OS unfortunately I was never able to afford it. This look like something nice to spin up in VB. Thanks for the video :_)

IDK if you noticed but when you double clicked the Desktop icon in the home folder, it was de-focusing the folder - the window manager was literally selecting the desktop as the current focus :)

I remember being able to buy a copy of BeOS from Fry’s Electronics in the 90s and thought it was so cool to play with. If I remember correctly, it was very fast for multimedia, and was ahead of Windows when it came to multithreading applications. Would love to see a Be Box in person, still.

@bdhale34

Жыл бұрын

Had audio accuracy of around 1/1000th of a second, good enough accuracy to do anything with audio honestly.

They have some cool ideas with the window management ! Really interesting !

I remember the video Druaga made about installing Haiku (probably on an SSD, that was kind of his thing). This was a little more informative. Great work, DT!

Hey DT! If I can suggest a couple of video topics... - Package managers. A tier list. - LXQT. What it wants to do and what it already does. Which could also be an excuse to talks about the advantages of having a non-kde qt desktop and applications and reflecting on the state of the gtk / qt war. And also maybe the dificulties in theming a non kde qt environment.

I always wanted a BeBox back when they were available. For one very important feature: the blinkenlights. Each BeBox physical system had like activity meter lights in the case that looked super cool. I like the UI of Haiku and the little window management features are pretty cool. I'm curious if the community is open to experimentation with new features or if they're just dedicated to reproducing the original BeOS design? Like would they be accepting of changing it so the system software management was based on immutable objects with an OS-level object storage layer added on? Or making it so when you hit the Super key at the desktop it popped up a search bar that let you quickly launch applications from a few letters typed in an autocomplete prompt?

@kbhasi

11 ай бұрын

I imagine that their current focus is on recreating the original BeOS design, then once R1 reaches full release, the developers could split to update it while another team works on an R2 with new features.

Maybe worth mentioning. I just checked and the latest version still supports 32 BIt. I still have an old Laptop sitting around and so far I really liked non of the very few 32 Bit Linux distros still around. So maybe I will give this a spin. Thanks for sharing. I never heared of this OS.

The last sentence about Fish being available got me hooked!

Such a classic OS. Have several memories from the 90s/2000s using what was a really a simple OS.

Haven't heard from BeOS in awhile! Cool!

Very good presentation - Interesting information . Thank you .

Very interesting. I especially like the window system

Happy New Year DT! It's 2023 now in my country

I loved BeOS! Used to use it in High School along with my other Favourite, AmigaOS!

Great video as always.

You should take a look at SerenityOS, a new experimental OS built completely from scratch.

@pauldufresne3650

Жыл бұрын

"There are no ISO images. This project does not cater to non-technical users." Does not have a package manager.

@BenjaminAster

Жыл бұрын

@@pauldufresne3650 Of course it's currently not an OS for non-technical users, but DT _is_ technical, and the point of a SerenityOS video would be to show the project, not to advertise it as a daily driver distro.

@NormanF62

Жыл бұрын

It could one day be a daily driver but from what I saw, it looks old and also its not ready for the average user.

@your-mom-irl

Жыл бұрын

@@NormanF62 it looks old on purpose It's kinda cringe that they won't make "distros" for it just to weed out less technical people

Thats amazing for such an old operating system

@JeffreyParke

Жыл бұрын

Haiku is a brand new operation system essentially. Not sure why people consider it old. There are nightly images with the very latest bleeding edge code. It is inspired by BeOS which is the old operating system, not haiku itself.

@NeptuneSega

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffreyParke the look and function

Haiku is amazing and can pretty much be daily drived now

I used BeOS in the 90s on and off. Mostly off. I did like it but it never really went anywhere. Haiku never ran on systems I tried it on in the past but haven't tried it again for a long long time. I wonder what its security and privacy is like in comparison to other OS's.

Hey DT, I recommend you try a new Linux distro that was recently released. It’s very unique and it’s name is VanillaOS

@DistroTube

Жыл бұрын

It's on my "to do" list.

@BankruptPizza

Жыл бұрын

@@DistroTube Nice. Also thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment

@quark1512

Жыл бұрын

@@DistroTube Cant wait for that video

@re-search0308

Жыл бұрын

What about crystal linux with amethyst package manager?

@re-search0308

Жыл бұрын

Or Redox OS, written by rust

Wow, it's been well over a decade since I spun up Haiku. I should do that again sometime and take a look at it again. I remember it being fun to toy around in back then and now I'm curious to see where it's gone since then.

I love Haiku to death, but on my machine it is the opposite of fast. I just tested the new beta on bare metal and was shocked to find every click take multiple seconds to register. I'll need to install it on another device to see if it's faster there. In any case, thank you for covering Haiku, I was hoping you would :D Happy New Year!

@shaurz

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a driver or kernel bug with your specific hardware, Haiku is very fast even on potato PCs.

@enadasa

Жыл бұрын

I installed haiku on my gaming pc as a third os, learned how to triple boot using grub thanks to it. By the way they have a at least up to date version of libre office in the package manager so I mainly use it to write.

Interesting, I'll have to try a copy - been looking for something to run on my older boxes.

I've tested BeOS in 2000 and it was light years ahead that was in any kind of OS of that era, the only thing that killed it is perhaps limited software support from commercial developers, games and others, limited hardware support and for enterprise case, the lack of multiple user accounts and ACL The BeOS operating system family is a quality OS that still deserves some love to become a truly serious contender to Windows NT, MacOS, Linux and other Unix like OS in enterprise and home uses alike and bring the needed improvements to the core system for modern computer needs

Hey DT, on the ‘Placement’ dropdown, choose ‘Stretch To Fit’ or something to that effect.

I was surprised to see GZDoom in that list of packages. That's pretty cool.

Always fun to wake up to a new DistroTube video. Been a viewer of yours for about... a year and a half

@DistroTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@quark1512

Жыл бұрын

Ive been a viewer for about 8 months, moved to linux 6 months ago and its been really fun

It is installed on my X220 along with emacs, netsurf, libreoffice and inkscape! Can it be a document "production" machine? Don't know but since this is my 3rd laptop, HaikuOS will happily live there!

Happy New Year DT. Isn’t BeOS and Haiku in return an extension to AmigaDos?

Haiku have a mix of Unix and Windows. So nostalgic, keep it on!

I really like how it was very graphical without a text mode that you ever saw. Was quite futuristic for a PC back in those days. Linux tried to hide it with backgrounds, but only Mac and BeOS were truly GUI first.

@terrydaktyllus1320

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand why anyone would celebrate an OS that doesn't have a text/CLI mode. GUIs are just too slow compared to power user usage at the CLI with keyboard shortcuts, command piping and scripts. Even Windows has never fully got rid of the command line - and there have been several occasions where my wife, as a fully Apple user, has had to resort to the command line on the instructions of an Apple support person on the phone to get a working Mac again. Why would you applaud this? I do hope that as "gentuxable" you're not a fellow Gentoo user...

@pawanyr360

Жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Haiku very clearly does have a CLI, which you'd know if you watched the video. It's just not necessary for new users or everyday usage, which is a good thing.

@gentuxable

Жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I used to be, now I'm on Arch but I see things differently. First off I think Haiku as a single user system is just unusable in this form for any normal computing anyway. You couldn't run normal programs without harming yourself everyday, there would be no sandbox nothing. Having said that I feel like there are situations where a text mode simply won't work. What about computers that don't have a keyboard and only a touchscreen you need an onscreen keyboard anyway and don't tell me you want that half a screen filled with a virtual text mode keyboard to use with gpm. Well yeah I just like it as a concept. I think could be nice but as a said beign single user by design rather breaks it for most uses, security nightmare! EDIT: But I mean maybe a touch screen terminal with interactive display could just run fine because all security happens on the other end, netbooted and everything why not.

@terrydaktyllus1320

Жыл бұрын

@@pawanyr360 Who said I didn't watch the video? I was questioning the original poster about his attitude to command lines in OSes. In other words, you need to read comments properly and understand context before you "stick your oar in". Now run along, mind how you go and stay away from sharp scissors. I wasn't addressing you in the first place. Discussion closed.

@jeremieh5009

Жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320as a former Gentoo user myself (nowadays I’ve switched to fedora because it’s a really nice and comfy distro with minimal maintenance required, which as I get older and busier I do appreciate), ill just point out that not every os is built for powerusers, and that’s okay! For less advanced users, accessibility comes first when it comes to personal computing! Yes, things like Gentoo are great for more advanced users wanting the more granular control over their system, but for most users, they don’t want to think about their system, which is a valid perspective (though I personally do not share it)

I rembember working on this in my first Google code-in without without even knowing what it was at the time. Feels so good to know it's still around.

I remember using BeOS. I actually knew a couple of the developers back in the day. They bragged that BeOS was the only OS with a faster/better TCP/IP stack than BSD Unix. Really wanted a BeBox when they were available, but never could afford one.

Is it possible to start two programs tabbed together, programmatically? (Like, from clicking an icon or menu item)

Very interesting 👍

The side by side would be most useful when using multiple instances of the same app, such as terminals or file managers.

I read that BeOS was very popular choice for video editing tasks back in 90's. Are there any legacy applications that are widely used today that would require something like Haiku OS?

@NormanF62

Жыл бұрын

My take on it is you would want to run on a modern video editing app which is available in Haiku Depot.

It looks so good. I've tried rel 2 and 3 but the mail program got stuck somewhere. I definitely going to try R4. Thanks for making us aware

I want this OS to succeed. Thanks for covering, I will donate the creators somewhat.

HAIKU looks like someone's personal project

I like the look of its desktop. It keeps to itself

I've been loving BeOS so much since 1995. Till now don't want any thing better from it save one thing. It'll be a greatest news of all time if someone will please make a project to *port most of the great Linux applications* to Haiku.

Nice little projects

This ese knows his operating systems! 👏

DT, you mentioned ReactOS..can I install in in a VM and run the only windows programs that matter to me(TurboTax, WoW)?

I encountered BeOS as a platform for radio station programming, of all things. Otherwise I'm not aware of any other use for it, but I'm eager to check this out again lol

Oh god, he's going full Lunduke. Next thing you know he'll stat growing hair and using glasses.

Hey DT, have you considered checking out Guix 1.4? It released a week or so ago.

Crazy, i wanted to try BeOS but cannt get the last version, but finaly read that Haiku remade all from and the only one to be active and i get it just few minutes ago ^^

I forgot all the cool stuff you could do with the GUI, especially the Tracker menu. I wonder if you could do this with a Linux Desktop environment?

when you were talking about obscure operating systems from the 90's, my first though was of RISC OS. Can you check that out on camera, maybe on a raspberry pi?

I am thinking that it might be a good way of using older hardware, you have inspired me to take a look.

BeOS was actually the OS for the short lived BeBox which was a dual proc PowerPC system in the 90s.

it has a very pleasant gtk theme. Is there something similar for gtk and qt on linux?

The window sticking/gluing and the tabbed window grouping are possibly BeOS'/Haiku's most interesting remaining unique features -- its once legendary multi-processing ability has been met by other modern OSes in the 21st century.

@eduds6

Жыл бұрын

I would say it's the desktop programs performance in general. Software rendering from it is very fast and most things run very fast, especially graphics and sound. It could be far, far faster in the future, when it finishes the beta stage, most importantly in things like compression and encryption.

@jkarra2334

11 ай бұрын

Original BeOS allowed window tabbing yes, but tabbed windows were not draggable...not together. So you could only tab them.

I wonder if you can change shell environments? Because I am not really a big fan of of bash either

They do appear to be looking at supporting Flatpak. The results will eventually be very interesting.

I think, there is also Zeta (another BeOS successor). Maybe, you could also make a video about OS: QNX

BeOS has a permanent spot in my heart 🎉

is great to see you checking new operation sys. just ike haiku that reliable. i cheking development of this througfh year. Anyway nice mic but the flare is little flattender but just for speach pro and nice look good.

that *has* to be the most advanced window manager ever

Could you try Plan 9 from Bell Labs, as another unique OS ?

Tbf to Haiku modern Linux is not particularly UNIX-like either ;) Otoh Haiku's POSIX compatibility is very deeply integrated into the system, and support for multiple users exists in the kernel and BFS, its simply not exposed in the desktop environment (yet). You can however create password protected accounts for services like SSH running locally. That said, I wouldn't write Haiku off as this is as good as things are gonna get just yet, there are still plenty of improvements to come between now and R1. Already we have somebody working on AMD RADV drivers, albeit in a very alpha state. Plus if its not a project that you've been following closely over the years it would be easy to miss how much of a leap B4 is over B3 already. I can go days now without the system hanging, browsing the web, editing pictures, listening to music, writing code. The addition of wayland and X compat to app_server has also allowed us to port a contemporary browser for the first time in too many years. I'm already using it as a daily driver on a spare Thinkpad, but I suspect Haiku will be in an even better place in another year or two. Exciting times!

@ethernet764

Жыл бұрын

This comment makes me want to try it. Thanks for sharing!

Re-wright of BeOS Operating system of choice used by the likes of UTV and possibly the BBC, UltraDV was the Video Editing package that goes with BeOS.

Since 2005 I regularly (compulsively?..) check on Haiku status (and also Reactos). Haiku made huge progress, I still don't understand what its' niche is (apart from being used on outdated hardware, but Linux can do that too)

@bdhale34

Жыл бұрын

If it has the same audio and video accuracy as BeOS5 did it would be better than the best MacOs was on the fastest hardware it could use. Be had one major downfall, lack of developer support very few apps and very little driver support but what it did support it worked amazingly with, the editing accuracy was insanity, levels no other OS at the time could even come close to matching.

Does it run PersonalStudio? what web browser does work on it?

Make a filesystem on raw disk? So why you setting partition table before?

18:03 This is impressive. Linux needs this feature.

@davidr2421

Жыл бұрын

Linux can do this perfectly fine, it just depends on the window manager/desktop env. For example you can do this kind of stuff in i3

@heroe1486

Жыл бұрын

@@davidr2421 that's advanced tiling windows management stuff inside a floating windows manager, I don't think we actually have that, i3 does floating but you'd opt out from all tiling functionalities and just isolate the selected window

@robsku1

Жыл бұрын

@@heroe1486 Fluxbox can do tabs, but I don't remember it being able to stick windows together like that... A tiling&tabbing former window manager, ion3, used to be able to open a floating frame that you could split into frames just like you would do with the whole desktop... well, at least if you had a specific patch to it. Unfortunately ion's author was sort of a prick I guess, he did release the source code for it, but it wasn't really FOSS, and the project died when he got bored of it or whatever. Too bad, because I really liked the way ion worked. As for current WM's... I don't know any that does these both - I know some tiling window managers do tabbing (it's a must for me, ion2 was my first tiling WM, and I got used to that... I don't want a different workspace for different browser windows for example, when I could have windows with titlebar (which I also want even in tiling WM's without tabs), which can be divided into tabs..., but I don't know whether they support tabbing for floating windows and I've never seen another one that could combine floating windows with tiling features other than Ion myself - still looking. Maybe I should take one and try forking my own... perhaps one made with lisp, because they're naturally & natively extensible & rewritable. Or one that already has the closest match of features. Oh well... Of floating wm's that I've used, one that I would have thought to have best chances of ever getting this kind of features would've been Enlightenment (I used E16 back in the naught's a lot, it was very... featureful... also tried E17, which was more of a full DE, but I don't know if it ever got to 1st non-beta/testing/etc. stage - and I have no idea if that WM/DE project is still alive... I sometimes here of Enlightenment, and wonder if it's the same project still alive). But in the end I don't know any that is alive and can do this - and one that could do it, although not in directly same way (you don't combine two floating windows side-by-side, you split frames and create windows in them... And you don't combine windows into one, you create windows inside same frame... though, you can move a window from another frame (including the non-floating one) to the one you want, so... I guess, technically you can. Ion also had kinda two window managers - his earlier wm, 'pwm' iirc, was a floating one and you could open new workspaces either as tiling (ion) or floating (pwm) modes - and the pwm workspaces could do tabbing as well, but I'm fairly sure you couldn't use the tiling features inside those floating frames in pwm workspaces; BUT I NEVER TRIED. Anyway, that was one that could in fact do these things.

...Am I the only who's noticed how much the package manager looks like Synaptic?

Does Haiku have the same SMP performance as BeOS did?

Try out AROS or any 'modern' Amiga OS family system

Haiku is perfect on a spinning HD. and fun to play with.

That updater needs a little command added l.e reboot enter you know so that it will reboot when the system is updated.

ATI Radeon driver is available as well. There are lots of potential here