Despite trying to make the game safe NRL is definitely making the sport more complex...and more fragile unlike before. Spot on Guss

Every tackle Alfie Langer ever made would now be classified as a hip drop

@garethwest9069

Жыл бұрын

@Donkey Kong He still looks reasonably fit; the Tigpies should make him an offer to replace Brooks. Don't laugh coz I reckon Alfie could still compete at his age.

@MJBOGAN

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a Cumberland throw, but not a hip drop.

@MJBOGAN

Жыл бұрын

Alfie's the man, nicest bloke alive he just gave all the NSW fans PTSD and they can't recover 😅

@MegaBadseed

Жыл бұрын

@@MJBOGAN Yeah true, I can’t remember him hip dropping anyone.

@spaceinvader992

Жыл бұрын

His Cumberland throws were probably more drastic but how many people did he injure....none. The NRL are trying to make one of the toughest sports in the world 100 percent safe...impossible

The banning of the shoulder charge has made defenders vulnerable and attackers know this and run harder. There is no risk to running the ball because they have to be tackle softly.

Gus mentioned about low tackles a couple weeks ago. If you tackle low around the legs and put them on the ground quick, they get up and play the ball before you get set at marker and then your a man down for a defense thanks to your good tackle. So now no team tries to go low and the wrestle took hold. A way to fix this is to REWARD low tackles and allow the tackler to climb around the ball carrier back to marker. But no. That slows the game down and makes it not exciting anymore...

Been a rugby league fan since I first played as a kid in 1979. Have,watched 2,games this year and gave up. It's now unwatcheable And that is very sad

@rajahhindi3921

Жыл бұрын

Same with me

@chm77777

Жыл бұрын

Same. I've watched more old games than current games this season.

What are they sposed to do.. just grab them around the waist and walk 20 meters with them?

@Mac-jx8uj

Жыл бұрын

Touch football is what our great game has become !

@TheJuanvegas

Жыл бұрын

Seen that a couple of times this round, players breaking through and scoring with a smaller player just clinging on for dear life as they get dragged over the line 🤣 they like to overcomplicate simple things

@Jamie-ye7fu

Жыл бұрын

ankle tap

@colingoodwin5403

Жыл бұрын

They are supposed to perform a tackle that is within the rules and won't injure other players. Players used to know how to grass an attacking player by wrapping arms at the waist and sliding to the knees and then the ankles. Coaches removed that tackle from the game as it led to a quick play the ball. Gus is cooked.

@jessiecuster3191

Жыл бұрын

​@@colingoodwin5403 this is exactly how I been thinking. We were taught to tackle this way as kids.

From what’s been so far a cracking season of games these rules with penalties( high tackles, hia and hip drops etc) have absolutely put a dark cloud over what’s been an entertaining year but we’re all starting to get over it fast.

It's getting softer every year with new laws. Well said Gus

@RAM_845

Жыл бұрын

The game is becoming too draconian

Well Done Gus, spot on.

I was looking forward to a full strength Broncos v Souths but now we can't because of this stupid rule.

@yesokrighto

Жыл бұрын

who cares

@adamboulding2427

Жыл бұрын

​@@yesokrightoNRL fans care

@muzzan1448

Жыл бұрын

@@adamboulding2427 But then wouldn't they allow them to play and take their one week bans the following week. Was good enough for the Penrith's Taylan May back in 2021 since the NRL claims it's what the fans wanted.

@Johhny_B

Жыл бұрын

Then maybe Ezra Mam and Payne Haas should learn to tackle in a way that is within the rules and doesn't break the opponents legs? I was looking forward to seeing Eels full strength but can't because of Bronco's breaking the rules. And RCG was also looking forward to being able to walk normally but can't anymore.

@muzzan1448

Жыл бұрын

​@@Johhny_B Why limit your comment to just Mam and Haas? Maybe Hopgood should as well. They aren't the only ones that have been reported for this tackle. A tackle that has been around this game for many years, just not referred to as a hip drop. A tackle that players don't train to do. They are just trying everything in their power to stop the player, within the rules of the game. With the speed of the game now, this sort of tackle is now causing issues. No one wants to see another player get hurt, but then accidents also do happen. The intent of this tackle is to stop the player rather than hurt/injure the player, but unfortunately it is causing a few injuries. The Haas tackle wasn't your "standard" hip drop tackle either, RCG was already on his knees and the way he was going down in someone way contributed to the way Hass fell. I'd suggest if Haas had let go of RCG's shoulders he'd still have landed on RCG's legs contributing to his injury the way RCG's legs were spread at the time. Which was, I would suggest mostly due to the state of the field at the time after rain, hence slippery. I think the NRL has got only itself to blame with wanting the game to be so much faster and limiting what the defence can/can't do. On a completely different issue in the NRL, I've always found it weird that the defense get penalised to "attacking" the head and rightly so, but the attack can be the aggressor and not get penalised.

reward low tackling, if someone makes a low tackle, a player is then entitled to "flop" and allow the low tackler to get to marker

@paulywalnutz5855

Жыл бұрын

like it was for 100 years lol

@steveu449

Жыл бұрын

Spot on. Here’s an idea: Any completed one-on-one low tackle is deemed ‘dominant’ and slows the play the ball and allows defence to reset. Remember the ‘dominant tackle’ a few years back; rewarded exactly the wrong things and here we are. Gus is right, identify the type of tackle wanted and reward it. There’d be an outbreak of low chopping tackles tomorrow if there was an advantage.

@stevvvvveperry

Жыл бұрын

​​@@steveu449 the problem with the low tackle is players getting hit in the head and then having to go off the field for a hia.

Gus is 100% correct none of those experts have ever played the game I bet. They are killing the game and turning it into touch footy.

Gus is 100% right in what he said about all that. The classic "think they know everything" mentality. Armchair experts. That reminds me of some of our politicians. They too think that they know everything at times. Abdo and V'landys should take notice of this. They're the two head honcho's of the NRL. They need to do something about this whole thing.

@RAM_845

Жыл бұрын

The irony of this line "think they know everything" , sounds familiar, like what we've heard during the two years of the "pandemic"

@BlairSauer

Жыл бұрын

@@RAM_845 yeah. We all know all about that. Bloody bureaucrats.

@RAM_845

Жыл бұрын

@@BlairSauer or "experts" now they're in hiding coz the truth is out.

The biggest problem is the crackdown, they decide they are going to crackdown on something, penalize everything that remotely resembles what they are cracking down on, go way too far and get themselves into a hole they can't get out of. Common sense goes out the door while the crackdown is on.

@crazyprayingmantis5596

Жыл бұрын

Spot on mate, that's exactly what happened

@muzzan1448

Жыл бұрын

Common sense left the building a long time ago at the NRL headquarters

@johnsmith-ub7vr

Жыл бұрын

@@muzzan1448 You are correct.

The game just needs commonsense, If a tackle is a clear hip drop like the Mam/Hopgood tackle, then fair enough, bin him but a pure accidental ‘hip drop’ like the Haas tackle where he wasn’t trying to hipdrop should be excused.

@paulywalnutz5855

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@70Dazky

Жыл бұрын

It was not an accident clear intent to get around behind drop to the waist it was only that the player slipped made it look not the same.if he stayed up Haas would of swung around off the ground next.

@gengarpokemon7731

Жыл бұрын

@@70Dazky go to spec savers

@TheAussieDog

Жыл бұрын

@@70Dazky Wrongo.. If RCG doesn’t dive to his knees, Haas wraps him up and take him over the line and we all move on. He was in no way attempting a hip drop tackle. It’s not even a penalty, the Mam and Hopgood tackles im okay with being penalised and binned because they attempted a hip drop tackle.

@stefandior1615

Жыл бұрын

Mam tackle is not a clear hip drop

It seems the officials have forgotten this is a FULL CONTACT SPORT!!! We're bordering on becoming touch football at this point!

I did my knee through a hip-drop tackle but we didn't have a name for it at the time and it was definitely not a penalisable offence. Tbh I'm sort of glad they discovered it because I thought it was a lazy tackle but I could never complain to anyone about it. It was sort of a "tough luck" thing.

Te Maire Martin's fibula was broken with a hip drop. If it was Kalyn Ponga's leg we would've heard more about it.

It's the classic case of scope creep. The original hip drop was to stop the blatant tackling of an attacker by a third man that bore all their weight on the attackers legs. Now, it's turned into anything that comes anywhere near the attacker's legs is a hip drop. I think the NRL should go full pelt, and ban every player on every "hip drop" in a game. They will quickly realise that not defining a tackle SPECIFICALLY, will mean teams wouldn't be able to field a team. As it sits, it seems that it you tackle a person from anywhere (even when you're trying to recover), other than front on, and use gravity (aka your and the attackers weight) to get them to the ground and prevent an offload, then it can be deemed a hip drop. There's already been sin-bins for defenders that didn't even land on the attackers legs. Seems like we're getting closer and closer to touch football.

He's the only one talking sense atm

Someone explain why Haas and Mam get banned (first offence) yet Hopgood got a fine and his 2nd offence this season?! Makes no sense.

@scruffy74

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the NRL

How can we have a genuine winner at the end of the year when games are won and lost on the actions of the judicial system. Players being suspended for actions that are not intended to harm and have been part of the game for years is ridiculous and is destroying the great game of Rugby League. Payne Hass is a prime example and now the game against Souths is derived of one of its headline players because he attempted a tackle FFS

Simple answer is to make the genuine, one on one, leg tackle a legitimate way to be rewarded. This can be done by making the leg tackle equal to a dominant tackle, allowing enough time for the tackler to get in position as marker. The leg tackle is a relatively safe tackle when done correctly.

I'd like to hear that half hour explanation on the history of the tackle, Gus, please.

You can't but can solve it. It's a contact sport they've been around since the game started. Once the attacking player gets in front of the defender the defender panics so uses his own body weight to bring the attacker down. It's basic psychology. If we suspend every hip drop style tackle there will be no teams playing at all. As much as I hate this idea I think it's a good compromise. Apply the HIA rule to hip drops. If there is a hip drop and a player buckles the ref stops the clock and applies a rough 30 second count. If the player stays on the ground then he must leave the field for the minimum HIA 10 minute assessment. From the attacking player aspect: * this will eliminate the acting floppers waiting for the video ref to find a penalty and a sin bin (then getting up and playing the ball) * if a player needs to go off for a minimum of 10 minutes but can come back on and play then only apply a tier 1 fine on the offending hip dropper * if a player goes off and can't return because of injury but is able to play next round then a tier 2 fine is applied to the offending hip dropper * if a player goes off and can't return to the game but also can't return the next round and beyond because the injury is so great - apply a tier 3 fine to the attacking hip dropper A comprise will stop attacking players staying to milk a penalty and a sin bin (then getting up to play the ball) A fine system will make defenders do their best to tackle in a different way While a comprise between the level of injury and fine applied allows lee-way

Gus is 💯 how do expect to tackle these monsters When we're playing club footy, they scream out from the sideline tackle around the legs without legs he can't run. It's a shame how the NRL has become soft

Gus is right If a player tackles between the hips and knees the way a player is always taught to tackle, then these days you are breaking the rules So Gus is right in saying the nrl bosses come out to every club and show them how they want a player to tackle simple

This hip drop is a result of the cannonball issue. They stay high above him to get more defenders in slowing the momentum then gold standard of getting the person on their back in a wrestle type . If the midrift tackler slides down over hip and quads (to avoid the hip drop) it's likely they will not be able to be effective as the power of hip and quads of players. Plus add in all the increased focus on ball carrier safety. Teams that control the ruck speed win the game.

You think this a major problem wait until they bring in the ball tracking for forward passes..id prefer less technology when it comes to officiating..I'm sure the bunker makes just as many mistakes as when it was just one ref and two touch judges

Go back over old league footage and you will find hipdrop tackles. They've always been there as part of our game. A natural consequence of a tackle.

I said this on another video last week and I'll say it again. The problem is that the NRL is trying to punish every instance of a player getting hurt in a heavy contact sport with athletes who are faster and stronger than the average Joe. Look at every instance they called a "hip drop" in that Broncos vs Parramatta game and other games. The refs are seeing the tackles and no one is seeing a problem in it because they aren't actual hip drops. It's only after the bunker gets into their ear that it's being punished and I'm not blaming the bunker here. They're obviously under instruction from the people above them to come down on it so they don't get their own asses chewed out

@jimmybill1963

Жыл бұрын

Sorry mate but your gonna have to go for 10 in the bin for making complete sense and speaking facts.

I dont often agree with Gus, but wow.. Spot on mate

this all started when they started the surrender vs attacking tackle release rules, a tackle is a tackle. The speed of releasing the tackled playing prevents the great leg tackles of old because the defence is disadvantaged. Takes too long to call held on a player who's momentum looks to have been stopped.

Go back to the 5 metre defence rule.

Solution is simple. Reward the legs tackle. But I thought they already did this a few years back by letting a defender who initiates and completes a textbook legs tackle extra time to hold the ball runner down.

Seems we have this discussion every year. There’s a new crackdown every year

Bring back the shoulder charge

The supposed "hip drop" has been in the game for 130 years. Only the moronic NRL could find something to destroy the game with something that has never been an issue.

What about the ref calls held a little quicker, no need to wrestle them down maybe. Or consider a player tackled if he is down but not held. That would promote lower tackles.

Game is a joke. Different age different game therefore I’m out.

@rajahhindi3921

Жыл бұрын

Most of the time, i do not even watch Origin.

I understand the high tackle crack down, with all the drama their is about concussion they're trying to cover themselves and re classify risky if unintentional acts. This hip drop stuff i dont understand. There is risk to players legs etc, but that comes from playing a collision sport. Soni Lukes last night and the brisbane ones last week cant be removed from the game.

Gus is one un-happy man, smile Gus😅 and then go on holiday for 1 year and find yourself❤

Watching GU Gould tear the NRL apart is beautiful. Come to union which protects players and gives them the ability to play outside Of Penrith or the gong

A good start would be look at union. Tackle them front on from low at hips driving up. Takes the drive out of their feet and brings them down quick. I can't understand why three tacklers all make contact between the nipples and neck. And finally when the runner is nearly stopped someone grabs the knees

theres only one kind of hip drop thats a penalty. n thats the pat carrigan type

Love him or dislike him he’s right. This is a side affect of the modern game.

I think the two teams should meet in the middle. Then flip a coin. Who ever wins the toss, Wins. Nobody can get hurt apart from tearing a thumb tendon. Then the crowd can all join hands & sing Kumbaya.

Can't we just reset the rules to the 1995 ruleset

Can we just make NRL touch footy? 😂

@RAM_845

Жыл бұрын

Well at the rate how draconian the NRL is pushing, might as well play touch footy

Payne Haas injured Regan Campbell-Gillard, who now out for 2-3 MONTHS. How is it that he can play on or be suspended for a LESSER period than RCG is injured?!?!

Shoulder charge banned, hip drop tackle banned...fewer and fewer defensive options nowadays

@ozzyace71

Жыл бұрын

Next thing to come…. “I tipped him ref “ !! “Make him play the ball” 😂😅

List all the new rules NRL has been introducing since 2016 and determine whether or not they're genuine issues.

Try this. Between the ten metre lines at each end of the field , only two defenders can be involved in a tackle. The third man in syndrome is the cause of most of the problems in the game.

Stupid to crack down so hard on head hits but now crack down on leg tackles. Where do the tackles happen if not the legs since the heads gotta be avoided. May as well just start playing touch footy.

Game lost its mojo few years back. Its not Rugby league anymore and it never will be. Rip

I swear we were saying the games in a great spot a month ago

@tyronebiggums3853

Жыл бұрын

It was 😂

Being a mainly union watcher I have no idea what is wrong with any of these tackles. What the hell is a hip drop? Looks like just wanting to stop someone running if your initial hit doesn't.

Might as well get rid of tackles if they're worried about player safety. Not to mention going back 5 tackles to penalize the team for a "hip-drop"

The game has become way to officiated which results in players taking the safest option for a tackle which is the Hip Drop tackle, the reason they don't do it in training is because they don't have Fwit refs pulling them up every 2 seconds for literally nothing so they can go for a tackle that would otherwise be pulled up in an actual game. Like Paul said, they'll never go back on what they've said so they'll just make another rule that creates another problem in the future.

A lot of these so called hip drops seem to be a result of momentum.

What a load of rubbish , you fix it by giving each club a $25k fine each time it occurs and that fine is payable by reducing that club's salary cap for next season. It will stop overnight. It was coached to players ,that's how it always starts then others players start copying it. Stop blaming the NRL for what the new way players are cheating. They don't care for each other much do they? They know the damage these tackles can do and they still do it to each other. Slow the game down bring back 5 meter defense's stop defense line moving until the dummy half passes the ball or runs with it.

u need to be able to give defending teams the ability to slow the ruck without catching players and wrestling to the ground

I miss the Winfield cup

Come on Gus. Bring on Super League 2. Bring back the contact. And Bring back the biff. Think we all know which one would sell better.

Afl having problems with sling tackles nrl a having problems with hip drops ooof tough discussions for the codes

Still the best mind in rugby league..Phil Gould. And he's 100% right, the game is being tinkered with by people with little to no idea. Only thing i can see happening is going back to the 5 meter rule.

Who is saying their hands are clean of the issue? And why is there uproar with this considering one of the (considered) best players, Nathan Cleary, can stop a runner that has passed him without putting him in a potentiality injuring situation? He did it twice, against Souths, and of all people, Latrell was one of them.

The game has opened up a bit with this rule.

Its not a hip-drop.. It's a tackle!!!!!

When I played we only needed two players to tackle , all there teaching players to do is wrestle , allthough I am not a fan of Queensland sides , I always admired Bret Tate , he always tackled around the legs , they came down , all the NRL has to do is a good leg tackle such as Tate preformed , should be rewarded , in so far as the tackler has the right to mark the play in the ball

Well said Gus. No one knows what a hip drop is. Annesley’s explain didn’t make sense, because upon any reading of it, none of tackles from the Eels v Broncos game fitted the definition.

@garrywoods159

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Annesley’s explanation was unbelievable - I watched his roundup video on the nrl app and this guy is so delusional, no wonder the referees and general public are confused. He sounds like a defence lawyer for Ivan Milat - trying to convince the world he was a good bloke.

As myself and probably others also and these guys too, it’s gonna turn into touch footy, cause they don’t know what they want for the game too look like, TELL THEM HOW YOU WANT THEM TO TACKLE BIG STRONG PLAYERS, who might!! Somehow get an offload away TELL THEM

Incredibly, I agree with Gus here

While your at this summit gus, also work on the 20 forward passes per game as well

@ozzyace71

Жыл бұрын

Apart from players crossing the side or touch lines, shouldn’t the touchies be in a good position to call these ??

@jimmartin9704

Жыл бұрын

@@ozzyace71 That was part of there job many years ago

@ozzyace71

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmartin9704 so quite literally they get paid more now with less to do- gotta get me one of those jobs 🤪

@jimmartin9704

Жыл бұрын

@@ozzyace71 Politicians come to mind as well

If Adam duohui doesn't make a go at lock when back from injury he will finish his career in England after that magic tigers win he is not a half like he claims

Gus you 100% right

Totally agree with gus

They'll have to ban tackling from behind completely, then we might as well just stop playing the game.

Just change the jerseys Like Gus said 100% cotton jersey =something to grab PROBLEM SOLVED it's like grappling in a uniform or GI Vs grappling in a skin tight shirt Ask a jujitsu player if the jersey size and material makes a difference ??

Gus finally speaking facts 😂

Play ripper tag, stop the tackling 😂😂😂

Let's just play touch football!🤣

It’s change management 101. You bring all key stakeholders together. Raise the topic. Seek feedback. Come to a consensus . Get buy in and support. Then roll out with milestones and within 6 months have it implemented. They did the complete opposite of all that. And here we are 🤡

@garethwest9069

Жыл бұрын

The game declined when $$$$ became paramount. Look at the utter clowns like V'Landys and his gaggle of geese who run the game.

I thought a hip drop involved multiple tacklers? Those cannonball tackles were a disgrace and should have been banned. Now they're penalizing one man tackles around the waist.

Losing our game completely versus the best quality opening rounds of football ever. Lots of close games, high quality .. high intensity. Yet Gus thinks the game is 'doomed'. They have to come down hard on these things as the injury toll is at a record high for the opening rounds.. Gus never looks at the other side of the argument. Typical elitest coach mentality of its never the players fault, blame the officials ... great mantra to teach these guys.

Ashley Klein should never be anywhere near a football field . Somehow it’s always the one that is beyond hopeless who gets the big gigs

@ozzyace71

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more 🎉

People saying they’d rather watch the games in the 80’s and 90’s are kidding. The game today is way superior. Faster stronger and better skill sets.

Next step is just to play touch football cos that is where we are heading

Little fella's have always hung on for dear life, in fact how else are you supposed to pull someone to the ground, maybe only 2 in the tackle might help that 3rd person only having the back left so they drop on the legs. Looks like this game is heading for a touch footy approach, looking for to many ways to stop injuries, only way to do that is make it a hybrid game, which your doing.

There was never a problem like this when you could shoulder charge lol now that you have to grab every bloke running the ball stupid things like this happens lol

I agree with Gus

The NRL Admin should win a Nobel Peace prize if they can make a high speed, high body collision sport 100% safe. Easy win. Just ban the game😅😅

I don't mind Gus but I think your time and expertise should be focused on the bulldogs with that list you should be in the top 5

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

No wonder nrl players want to leave the game and considering other offers cause of these bs rules

Tackle around the ankles stops this doesn’t it?

@slingblade8963

Жыл бұрын

If you're prepared to take a boot to the face and have a week off with concussion

@UnionSince452

Жыл бұрын

Imagine trying to chop Junior Paulo, Taumalolo, Tino, Payne Haas, JFH or any other of those guns around the legs. You’re putting yourself at such a high risk of injury

gus is king

Super League? Let it go Gus.

I don't listen to Gus for expert concussion advice, and I don't for the hip drop either.

Well spoken Gus but arrogance and pride from officialdom will remain they will not admitt they got it wrong ,they have too much say ,bring back the good old days