Guillermo del Toro on Pinocchio, disobedience as a virtue and why he says death is a beautiful thing

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Pinocchio was a huge influence on Guillermo del Toro growing up. Now, the Oscar-winning director is telling the classic children's story in his own way. He joined Tom Power to tell us how disobedience influenced his version of Pinocchio, why he wanted to set the film against the backdrop of Mussolini's fascist Italy and why he decided to use stop-motion.
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  • @nicholasdyee
    @nicholasdyee Жыл бұрын

    "Every boy is a real boy, every kid is a real kid. Parents have a hard time becoming a real parent." Somehow this just brought the tears back, this movie is so beautiful 🥲

  • @cocasurfboards

    @cocasurfboards

    Жыл бұрын

    This only sentence says it all. 😭🥰

  • @niRtywa_starcvnt

    @niRtywa_starcvnt

    5 ай бұрын

    I want to hug GDT

  • @Frank-vc3ss
    @Frank-vc3ss Жыл бұрын

    This man is just filled with humility, kindness and empathy. So inspirational just to listen to him speak.

  • @40studios95

    @40studios95

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Indarknessyeshallknowthem I’ve been a VFX artist for 15 years, you just literally described every single director/studio I’ve worked for. I wouldn’t expect any different from such an amazing artist director, with all due respect maybe you are in the wrong industry.

  • @xv621

    @xv621

    Жыл бұрын

    A very GOOD HOMBRE INDEED

  • @xv621

    @xv621

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Indarknessyeshallknowthem cry baby...be happy that he uses you! You must be American ( spoil)

  • @leanneclements143

    @leanneclements143

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree

  • @prototype8137

    @prototype8137

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol... 9k bot.

  • @gimpinmypants
    @gimpinmypants Жыл бұрын

    I can’t get over how poetic Del Toro expresses himself. I understand he’s a writer and clearly very wise but it’s incredible how it comes out of him so casually.

  • @cinematicmike5323

    @cinematicmike5323

    Жыл бұрын

    This what I love. Can’t get enough

  • @PassengerMX

    @PassengerMX

    Жыл бұрын

    He is actually translating quite literally from how some mexicans talk. If you were familiar with mexicans for some time, you'll come across moments where people open up about their supernatural experiences and/or life philosophy who talk just like he does, but in spanish.

  • @hectormendoza7261

    @hectormendoza7261

    Жыл бұрын

    Even more impressive that english is his second language, and he still manages to express himself very eloquently. If you like the way he talks in english, he speaks even more poetic in spanish.

  • @billyalarie929

    @billyalarie929

    Жыл бұрын

    That doesn’t happen without an exorbitant amount of humility, a pristine self awareness, and an absolute desire to be enamored with everything about life, good and bad.

  • @magalazambrano3436

    @magalazambrano3436

    Жыл бұрын

    He is pure genious and warm hearted! 😊

  • @goatass71
    @goatass71 Жыл бұрын

    The world is so much better with GDT in it. To be on this earth while he makes his stories for us to watch, is a gift.

  • @tc2865
    @tc2865 Жыл бұрын

    What a wonderful person. My father died about a month ago to Leukemia; I couldn't bring myself to play God of War (story of a son trying to save his father, essentially) because I felt like it would be too much. Watched Pinocchio instead and was absolutely destroyed. Don't think I've ever cried so hard. With that said it made dealing with his death so much easier- I felt everything he says here about death being inevitable and "beautiful" and accepting that life continues and how we live on in story. Perhaps one of the most genuine creators out there.

  • @CyclesSomething

    @CyclesSomething

    Жыл бұрын

    I lost my mother two months ago and playing god of war is what helped me through this as the game is about a mother who's death paves the way for her family to survive.

  • @marierika2012

    @marierika2012

    Жыл бұрын

    Sorry 😞 for your loss. I loved and lost my father as well. I miss him everyday.

  • @phantasm8180

    @phantasm8180

    Жыл бұрын

  • @coolbeans5911
    @coolbeans5911 Жыл бұрын

    Tarantino saying the most violent film he saw was Bambi😂😭 same here

  • @Play4Vida

    @Play4Vida

    Жыл бұрын

    LOL, As a kid i had a lump in my throat from how terrible it was! watching the mom die, I felt like crying.. someone help her!

  • @halloweenallyearround4889

    @halloweenallyearround4889

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Play4Vida I hated watching movies as a small kid. Lion King, Bambi, Dumbo, The Land Before Time... So much intense anxiety and loss. Jesus.

  • @unacalaquitaful
    @unacalaquitaful Жыл бұрын

    The more I watch Guillermo del Toro's movies, and the more I hear him, the more I love him. Pure wisdom and love. Greetings from Mexico City!

  • @TheEnnisfan
    @TheEnnisfan Жыл бұрын

    I've had the pleasure of meeting Guillermo several times and not only is he a very articulate man, he is quite arguably the kindest and friendliest individual in all of Hollywood. He deserves all the success he's achieving. Felicidades, Guillermo.

  • @vistajadez
    @vistajadez Жыл бұрын

    Blind, unquestioning obedience to “authority” is NOT a virtue, no matter how much that authority tries to pound this myth into our heads. Something we all need to keep in mind. Bravo Guillermo!

  • @MelWarrior
    @MelWarrior Жыл бұрын

    I could listen to this man talk for hours

  • @szminka7791
    @szminka7791 Жыл бұрын

    What a beautiful, rich interview, last minutes when del Toro was talking about how he feels after winning an Oscar just moved me.

  • @i.r.alejandronajeramolina8160
    @i.r.alejandronajeramolina8160 Жыл бұрын

    Every single interview with Guillermo del Toro -my fellow Mexican- is an absolute beauty, just poetry. I feel very proud to say this man truly represents the Mexican spirit.

  • @oscarm.4078

    @oscarm.4078

    Жыл бұрын

    He's human like everyone else has nothing to do with race

  • @sofisa11

    @sofisa11

    Жыл бұрын

    @@oscarm.4078 - Who is talking about race? 🤔

  • @maeklein13
    @maeklein13 Жыл бұрын

    He is so genuine. This was a great interview. I wish they circled back around to the Pinocchio-Frankenstein connection - would have been great to listen to :)

  • @sarahkphousse9458

    @sarahkphousse9458

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that frase opened my mind in a second! That's why we need this man to give us some clues to grow up and see the life like and a circle where everything is connected

  • @billyalarie929

    @billyalarie929

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s right!!! I knew there was something incomplete, and it was that. I was waiting for that and we never got it!!!!!

  • @l.c.136
    @l.c.136 Жыл бұрын

    Man……what a conversation……..Guillermo is just brilliant.

  • @Kusanagikaiser999
    @Kusanagikaiser999 Жыл бұрын

    I can hear 3 hours of Guillermo just talking, he is soo genuine, and his understanding of Religion, death and humanity is soo amazing to hear, I wish someday meet him and James Cameron, these 2 are heroes to me.

  • @billyalarie929

    @billyalarie929

    Жыл бұрын

    The clarity of his understanding is just unmatched.

  • @eiguajardo
    @eiguajardo Жыл бұрын

    Guillermo lives in the spiritual realm, he translates it into the material world in movies. He explains it so well I think even the skeptical can understand.

  • @ernestinasanchez5305
    @ernestinasanchez5305 Жыл бұрын

    Love, love , love this interview. I don't know if it's because I'm Mexican but, I really understand the way he describes his way of thinking, that I agree with him 100%. The older we get, life and death's perceptions change and at the same time, remained the same. The fear about death (thank God) diminishes and/or disappears. I'll be watching Cronos and his version of the new Pinocchio movie . It's kind of weird that just before I started watching this video, I noticed a red bag, next to my bed, given to me by "Specialty Auto Works" store (now closed) named Chronos. Hummm. Great video. Congratulations to the both of you.

  • @tobydavidson8
    @tobydavidson8 Жыл бұрын

    Living legend

  • @roch4246
    @roch4246 Жыл бұрын

    He is something else, such a great guy and storyteller....

  • @kellyramirez7465
    @kellyramirez7465 Жыл бұрын

    One scene from his Pan's Labyrinth movie that I hear people say "Why didn't Ofelia listen to the Faun? She's so dumb"(when she eats fron thr Pale Man's table), well, the whole movie is about disobedience and when the characters disobey, and why that might be. That scene has always been with me

  • @jocelynmarin1609

    @jocelynmarin1609

    Жыл бұрын

    I love that movie! That’s when I discovered about Guillermo del torro

  • @progradepainting3755
    @progradepainting3755 Жыл бұрын

    He did great, and deserves every bit of praise he’s receiving for this masterpiece.

  • @edgarandre5216
    @edgarandre5216 Жыл бұрын

    this Guillermo's work is a poem, really we proud of you 🇲🇽

  • @juliecorona9744
    @juliecorona9744 Жыл бұрын

    ♥️Love Guillermo DelToro… Absolutely loved this conversation.♥️ at 21:32.. that’s me too😂🤣😂 and at 24:39. I loved Guillermo’s answered… 💔you feel a belonging, it heals the hair line fracture in your heart 💔and never comes back..WOW!!♥️ as as a Mexican myself 🇲🇽Thank you for representing us Mr. Del Toro as one of the greatest in the Film/Movie/Hollywood Industries🇲🇽👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🏆🏆🏆👏🏼👏🏼🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

  • @chrissiegraves3289
    @chrissiegraves3289 Жыл бұрын

    GDT has worked on some of my favourite films in some way and he's truly one of the best in the industry. This was such a delight to watch.

  • @SaturdaysT
    @SaturdaysT Жыл бұрын

    Caught myself smiling throughout the interview. Anyone else?

  • @ninavandriel4746
    @ninavandriel4746 Жыл бұрын

    What a wonderful man, I love the perspective on parenting and Pinocchio...and pretty much everything else he said was inspiring and thought provoking. Tom as ever, I love the way you interview folks; warm and genuine...not like the plastic style hollywood host "hey everyone look at me! I m funny!" style that some other people adopt. Each to their own of course, but ya...really enjoyed this, thank you!

  • @beritter
    @beritter Жыл бұрын

    This movie (and del Toro) is amazing, so touching. Pinocchio reminds me so much of my son...he has a free, curious spirit and could easily be characterized as naughty or disobedient. But he is one of the most loving, empathetic children I've ever met and his inclination to question things or stray off course doesn't seem to come from a place of rebelling for no reason, but out of sheer curiosity and a lust for life. I cried throughout the movie because it felt so close to my heart 🤍🤍

  • @thiagoteixeira6537
    @thiagoteixeira6537 Жыл бұрын

    I love Guillermo, he's such a sweet soul! Total film nerd just like me too!

  • @sharonhendrix7496
    @sharonhendrix7496 Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic interview! I feel like I know Guillermo more intimately than any other interview I’ve seen. Bravo Tom! Fantastic!

  • @morcatna4767
    @morcatna4767 Жыл бұрын

    I can listen to him talk alllll day

  • @vica001
    @vica001 Жыл бұрын

    In a way He answers so many life questions for me... I just cried.. Love and admiration for Guillermo

  • @StorytellingHeadshots
    @StorytellingHeadshots Жыл бұрын

    What a lovely interview! I felt this in the heart. ❤️

  • @herbertndekiii228
    @herbertndekiii228 Жыл бұрын

    Icon living

  • @cmnweb
    @cmnweb Жыл бұрын

    I can listen this man...hours!!

  • @Mauricio_Rodriguez16
    @Mauricio_Rodriguez16 Жыл бұрын

    Increíble entrevista, Guillermo del toro es un gran maestro en contar grandiosas historias que se quedan con nosotros.

  • @roselami6315
    @roselami6315 Жыл бұрын

    He is really intelligent, sensible, educated and humble in how he lives his life. It is beautiful to hear him explain all these connections with Mexican mythology in relation to life and death, which I find really inspiring. An amazing human being.

  • @Atlsynth
    @Atlsynth2 ай бұрын

    I love the way he talks about things we all think about, and makes it ok.

  • @perrysiddons5423
    @perrysiddons5423 Жыл бұрын

    After listening to this interview I would really like to watch his Pinocchio. I guess I might have to get Netflix again!

  • @johnlittle3430

    @johnlittle3430

    Жыл бұрын

    Best film of 2022.

  • @suzianthony4928
    @suzianthony4928 Жыл бұрын

    This movie You made sir brought a Holy light to darkness that we encounter..and the power of faith and love they prevail. My heart was left with a glow watching this in the theater 2 times. Story is visually gorgeous and the music as well..all brilliant. Thank you Guillermo 🤍

  • @GamesWithBrainz
    @GamesWithBrainz Жыл бұрын

    Though Del Toro is one of my favorite directors imo he doesnt have too many pure masterpieces but i gotta say i think this is his best film yet and everything hes talking about in this interview is totally conveyed in the movie. i mustve cried like 4 different times throughout it

  • @lucaspsm125
    @lucaspsm125 Жыл бұрын

    That was one of the most amazing interviews I've ever watched in my life, wow

  • @billyalarie929

    @billyalarie929

    Жыл бұрын

    Truly a treasure trove of wisdom to take from it. Absolutely extraordinary.

  • @Play4Vida
    @Play4Vida Жыл бұрын

    I like how his verbal explanations. I wish my vocabulary and intellect was that good.

  • @billyalarie929

    @billyalarie929

    Жыл бұрын

    The point is you understood him. That’s all you need.

  • @anagomez9620

    @anagomez9620

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billyalarie929 I wish you were my 4th grade teacher teaching me math .

  • @elvalopez4568
    @elvalopez4568 Жыл бұрын

    What a pleasure is listening this man speaking ❤

  • @cristianreyes9765
    @cristianreyes9765 Жыл бұрын

    Increíble éste fenomenal director.

  • @miguelurena374
    @miguelurena374 Жыл бұрын

    I had never seen Pinocchio until I was older, and instantly, it became my favorite out of all the Disney movies. Now, GDT Pinocchio has become one of my favorite films, a true piece of art.

  • @michelenichele294
    @michelenichele294 Жыл бұрын

    A work of art. A masterpiece. A thrill, and A pleasure.

  • @whatever305j
    @whatever305j Жыл бұрын

    there is a couple frames in this movie that are so powerful that it can be a painting. its when we get a lonely geppetto obviously heartbroken walking alone in the rain then to our right we see a bunch of posters of fascism then under a picture of Mussolini bearly visible we see a happy Pinocchio and he has to move the poster of Mussolini out of the way to see his son. what i get from it is that you have to move hate out of the way and accept love, God this is so beatiful Thank you Guillermo this was truly wonderful

  • @jesusschettino8306
    @jesusschettino8306 Жыл бұрын

    He is true inspiration, every time I listen Guillermo I learn something. his knowledge and humbleness tech me that no matter were you are standing, you always have to be your self and never pretend to be some one else.

  • @SVOKRAplays
    @SVOKRAplays7 ай бұрын

    Such a sweet and wise person. Always great to hear him talk, this was a very good interview.

  • @KazWinchester
    @KazWinchester Жыл бұрын

    Does anyone else wish they could be friends w/ him? 😂 Like I could hear him talk for hours. A genius and a chill seaming guy. Dream blunt rotation lol

  • @Missjunebugfreak

    @Missjunebugfreak

    Жыл бұрын

    Not just you. I also find Guillermo so charming, genuine, intelligent. I think it would be great to have a long conversation with him about random topics. He's a brilliant man.

  • @universojuanluis12
    @universojuanluis12 Жыл бұрын

    Great interview!! 👍♥️

  • @argsao
    @argsao Жыл бұрын

    Omg I love this interview ❤❤❤❤

  • @ludan68
    @ludan68 Жыл бұрын

    One word about this interview: SUBLIME! Thanks for taking and sharing this magnificent interview!

  • @debbiebridal9344
    @debbiebridal9344 Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful conversation 🎄🎁a gift to humanity 🦉

  • @yorch07hunter
    @yorch07hunter Жыл бұрын

    What a great interview

  • @snowsim
    @snowsim Жыл бұрын

    I have a degree in Film but I've never seen a Del Toro one. His style just didn't appeal to me, although _The Shape of Water_ is on my To See list. Now I'm wanting to listen to or watch every long-form interview with him (especially previous q) and finally prioritize seeing his work. What a fascinating person!

  • @arturoucalderon

    @arturoucalderon

    Жыл бұрын

    Pan’s Labyrinth is his masterpiece in my opinion

  • @303TAG303

    @303TAG303

    Жыл бұрын

    I watched him In a Spanish film class. the only Mexican director on the list

  • @chineishon

    @chineishon

    Жыл бұрын

    @@303TAG303 who else was on that list?

  • @303TAG303

    @303TAG303

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chineishon Luis Buñuel, Carlos Saura and Pedro Almodovar are some of the ones I remember

  • @MercenaryBlackWaterz

    @MercenaryBlackWaterz

    Жыл бұрын

    @@303TAG303 Why would Guillermo be on that list? He's not Spanish. Mexico btw had the best film industry in the Spanish speaking world, the only one to ever compete with Hollywood in the 40's and 50's. Still today there are Mexican directors in Hollywood: Cuaron, Gonzalez Inarritu, Del Toro . Are there any Spanish ones?

  • @pandemictunes4493
    @pandemictunes4493 Жыл бұрын

    Loved this!

  • @sarahkphousse9458
    @sarahkphousse9458 Жыл бұрын

    What a wonderful interview full of respect and wisdom. Thanks for let him answer Whit no pressure like others programs, because we can understand a little better that beautiful man that is Guillermo del Toro.

  • @MelikhaCreated
    @MelikhaCreated Жыл бұрын

    Wonderful interview!!

  • @benjy8148
    @benjy8148 Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful interview.

  • @richardgale7310
    @richardgale7310 Жыл бұрын

    Another remarkable masterpiece for me

  • @dreamlife2351
    @dreamlife2351 Жыл бұрын

    What a wonderful man. Insightful, intelligent and interesting.

  • @cocasurfboards
    @cocasurfboards Жыл бұрын

    Loved the movie and this interview! Both are wonderful and rich! 😍😍😍

  • @tobydavidson8
    @tobydavidson8 Жыл бұрын

    Incredible

  • @lindamalone9174
    @lindamalone9174 Жыл бұрын

    great interview. great questions. marvelous, personal answers.

  • @ettorereventon2667
    @ettorereventon2667 Жыл бұрын

    4:53 man this is beautiful. just a perfect idea and analogy

  • @herbertwest9626
    @herbertwest96268 ай бұрын

    What a great interview. GdT is such an eloquent and intelligent artist. Not only are his films great, but his personality itself is so deep and well educated and well read. He's a great storyteller and a rare gem in the world of show business.

  • @rcczoo
    @rcczoo Жыл бұрын

    Great interview!

  • @MrCarlBackhausen
    @MrCarlBackhausen Жыл бұрын

    Love Guillermo del Toro! He is a true artist and one of my absolute favorite movie creators in recent time.

  • @DownwardElevator
    @DownwardElevator Жыл бұрын

    It's amazing to see a free Soul, shining through a physical body so clear and bright. He is inspired, in spirit. If you read through the comments, you can tell that people feel his presence. He is a wise mystic with an uncanny ability to tell stories and visually manifest his visions. He has surrendered and the universe is providing. Y como Mexicano, me revienta el corazón de amor y orgullo. 🇲🇽 Un placer encontrarlos en vida.

  • @thesunman108
    @thesunman108 Жыл бұрын

    What a great freaking interview.

  • @kari8187
    @kari8187 Жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed his telling of Pinnochio and cinematically it was beautiful

  • @Jazztice4me
    @Jazztice4me Жыл бұрын

    Guillermo is an extraordinary & sensitive person who has managed to "humanize" his monsters (Amphibian man, the Geek, the Faun, Hellboy...) in a very particular manner, showing us that maybe we are the real monsters...

  • @romeonemadp2094
    @romeonemadp2094 Жыл бұрын

    We mexicans are so proud of Guillermo

  • @ministerofjoy
    @ministerofjoy Жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @SwissTanuki
    @SwissTanuki Жыл бұрын

    I love stories and he can tell stories very good. I just watched Pinocchio and I was very moved. I highly recommend it.

  • @maa5564
    @maa556410 ай бұрын

    The audio quality in this video shoukd be the standard for all podcasts.

  • @PabloPicapiedra1
    @PabloPicapiedra1 Жыл бұрын

    "If something never ends, it never begun!

  • @boscorner
    @boscorner Жыл бұрын

    He was inspired by Disney's Pinocchio and ended up outgoing them on the same property in the same year. It was meant to be

  • @TheRubberStudiosASMR
    @TheRubberStudiosASMR Жыл бұрын

    He is such a great dude

  • @helloworldcsofficial
    @helloworldcsofficial Жыл бұрын

    Best movie ever! Loved it!

  • @jadddde
    @jadddde Жыл бұрын

    eres grande guillermo, te amamos

  • @mrJohnDesiderio
    @mrJohnDesiderio Жыл бұрын

    Great!

  • @fennec13
    @fennec13 Жыл бұрын

    disney and older animated films were really intense for me as a kid in the 80's in ways that modern offerings just aren't. They were pulling less punches, trying to show things and tells stories that just don't get shown nowadays. to quote Peter Pan "Dying would be the greatest adventure" can you imagine that in a kid's movie now ??

  • @kokomanation
    @kokomanation7 ай бұрын

    Disobedience can be a virtue in many cases but although it may express a great cause it can also cause self destruction because others cannot accept it especially those with power

  • @tezcatl
    @tezcatl Жыл бұрын

    The interviewer did an amazing job here

  • @h.fsalim384
    @h.fsalim384 Жыл бұрын

    Great dirctor🌹🌹🌹

  • @michaelrg3836
    @michaelrg3836 Жыл бұрын

    I was very touched by Pinocchio, preferring it to The Shape of Water. Bravo Maestro!

  • @nilvy1233
    @nilvy1233 Жыл бұрын

    Yes. He is right about early Disney movies and how darkness existed within them. I’m 48 and I still have trouble watching the original Pinocchio and Dumbo too!

  • @15clank
    @15clank Жыл бұрын

    Greatest filmmaker alive ! Period .

  • @carloscordero6695
    @carloscordero6695 Жыл бұрын

    Close your eyes and guillermo suddenly transforms into uncle Iroh from avatar

  • @kcufhctib204

    @kcufhctib204

    Жыл бұрын

    I can hear it.

  • @jeisonr2506
    @jeisonr2506 Жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know which Fairy Tale he's talking about at 20:38 ?

  • @MARLAGB
    @MARLAGB Жыл бұрын

    Tom Power needs some Universal History classes. Guillermo del Toro chiquito mi amor!

  • @PoopaPapaPalpatine
    @PoopaPapaPalpatine Жыл бұрын

    GDT is eloquent as always here and his ideas on his Pinocchio are really quite strong. I wish they were as strongly conveyed in the film as it is here through Del Toro talking about it. I just think as time has gone one, he's lost a bit of his edge and is a bit clumsier when it comes to making his films. I find myself liking sequences and ideas in his later work more than the actual show or film itself. I think all his films post-Pan's Labyrinth suffer from a host of issues from dialogue, pacing, narrative, and tone that don't seem to be improving or correcting itself. Despite his eye for design being as strong as ever, his current work certainly lack a finesse and polish I think his earlier stuff had (certainly his first three films).

  • @jaLimon-zr8qi

    @jaLimon-zr8qi

    Жыл бұрын

    hahhaahha stfu. Go to sleep.

  • @cezar7339
    @cezar7339 Жыл бұрын

    I've never listened to some one be so eloquent in their second language!

  • @msscrazybuthappy
    @msscrazybuthappy Жыл бұрын

  • @billyalarie929
    @billyalarie929 Жыл бұрын

    This guy is the Gabriel Garcia Marquez of cinema.

  • @superjfbm
    @superjfbm Жыл бұрын

    ... he is beautiful

  • @dannsanchez9471
    @dannsanchez9471 Жыл бұрын

    Thank God for GDT

  • @C.A.F.R
    @C.A.F.R Жыл бұрын

    Great movie , please do your version of Conan the Barbarian with all the fantastic creatures to help rescue that story. Regards

  • @Kyrieru

    @Kyrieru

    Жыл бұрын

    Gonna need a damn good composer to match the original's music though, for sure. A conan movie with bland music would be pretty depressing.

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