Vex is the BEST person to give that speech to Percy BECAUSE she talked about abandoning the group before. This is character growth.

@haku8135

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's like they just totally forgot she DIDN'T say they SHOULD ditch them, but they COULD and they WON'T because they belong here.

Vex did say that she and her brother could abandon the group but in that same scene if you remember Vax asked her "then why aren't we?" she did not answer meaning she really did not lie she just wont openly admit she likes the group. The other thing too is that shes the initiator in confronting Percy's issues at the start and the one asking percy whats the plan in regards to his home, she does want to help but wont admit that.

Ziggurat's a building for communicating directly with gods. Keyleth mentioned it in ep 5.

@Aliciaxlife

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we recorded episode 5 one month apart from episode 8 and on so we just didn’t remember by then

@PristineTX

Жыл бұрын

@@Aliciaxlife Ziggurats used as monuments to the gods actually exist in real life too. It’s not a made up word. The ancient stepped pyramids in Iran and Mexico, for example are ziggurats.

@Americanbadashh

Жыл бұрын

@@PristineTX You can build them in Civilization 6

@Norbert_Sattler

Жыл бұрын

@@PristineTX Are you sure? I thought only the ones in today's Arabia counted as Ziggurats, so Babylonian, Sumerian, Akkadians and such, with the Inka, Aztek and Maya stuff being a different thing. Mind you it's been more than two decades since my history classes, so I might be wrong, but that's how I remember it.

@aroenweind7244

Жыл бұрын

@@Norbert_Sattler I think you mean Mesopotamia, not Arabia, but I thought so too, that those were not technically ziggurats, just another kind of stepped pyramids

21:20 But then both Vex and Vax agreed that they didn't ditch them because, begrudgingly, they both care about the group. She's not lying.

@cartoonking1789

Жыл бұрын

But Vax is more charming to them so it’s not a knock against him.

Vex never seriously considered leaving the group behind, she brought it up as a hypothetical option when talking to Vax because that's how they survived in the past. I know y'all are done with the season so hopefully y'alls views on Vex has softened somewhat, but she and Vax have lived through some seriously traumatic shit growing up and have been coping with it differently.

@WolforNuva

Жыл бұрын

Way I see it (as someone who hasn't seen the original live streams, only guesses from watching the cartoon) is that the thought of them leaving the group crossed her mind mostly due to habit and their past experiences together. It's just how they lived until now so of course the idea is going to pop into their heads, but even though she voiced the thought to him she knew full well that neither of them actually wanted to - evidenced by how they both agreed they could get out by themselves easy enough, but then without a word they both discard the notion; they've now got what feel like home for the first time since they were young, and neither of them actually want to throw that away.

@Ozgarthefighter

Жыл бұрын

@@WolforNuva 100% spot on analysis coming from someone who has listen to the campaign.

@PristineTX

Жыл бұрын

@@WolforNuva Wow. This is right on the money. Yeah, Vex and Vax weren’t seriously considering leaving the group in that conversation. If anything, they were remarking on how unusual it was that they WEREN’T doing what they usually tended to do with such ease in the past.

@VegetaLF7

Жыл бұрын

@@PristineTX Exactly. Vax even points this out to her. "Then why aren't we?" and she can't think of a reply. They're a pair of loners who have found themselves part of a group and like it or not they're now committed to their team. Once upon a time they'd dip out, but not anymore.

@robertolanzone

Жыл бұрын

@@PristineTX Exactlyy! They interpreted it backwards, wth 🙈

correction; vex observed the guards would not catch them. SHOULD they decide to leave. which they did not.

when Delilah said they were spoiled for choice she was meaning that they were planning on sacrificing Cassandra from the beginning, but now they have Vax as well so they get to choose which

I genuinely don’t understand how y’all still hate vex.

She was pointing out they could leave but they chose not to. I don't think vex was actually considering it

@NatyaVT

Жыл бұрын

Selective memory my dude.

@TankInATree

Жыл бұрын

TBH, right now they are blinded by their dislike for her, so they ignore any time she does something positive and useful and latch on to anything that *could* be considered negative in the right light. Ignore is not even the right word... just attach it with a comment like "Oh she finally did something useful" or "Remember that time...".

@cartoonking1789

Жыл бұрын

@@TankInATree yeah this is getting very tiring.

@shaskusmas

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Vex is mean to their Keyleth. They don't know anything about the campaign where Vex's jealousy is offset by a very clear care for Keyleth from the beginning. They don't get fun flashing mama bear haggling Vex, they get the Laura Bailey bit the bullet to take some of the heat/hate off Keyleth Vex. They'll come around eventually; how could they not?

Me before episode 10: it's ok, they'll like Vex eventually. Me after episode 10: ... I still belive that, but damn... P.S: not hatin or anything, it's just funny to see character development being seen as lies.

Lemme just say, if I meet my sister after a decade of her being a prisoner and after I rescue her she acts like she's extremely thankful all the time rather than poking fun at me like her regular self I knew, I'd be genuinely scared. Nothing is worse than seeing your family member acting out of trauma and unable to be themselves. Or even worse, becoming somebody else entirely. It makes you feel powerless because you can't really help unless they can break through the first barriers themselves. *Percy was probably relieved she was starting to act more like the person he knew.*

@user-fd5nz5lo7m

Жыл бұрын

I`m almost certain they don`t have siblings. They really misinterpret a lot of Vax\Vex and Percy\Cass scenes.

@ALJ9000

Жыл бұрын

@@user-fd5nz5lo7m As the oldest brother in my family, I agree entirely

@jasonutty52

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-fd5nz5lo7myeah, its super odd. As a twin myself their interactions are pretty understandable.

@thefonz8373

4 ай бұрын

I am not sure if you saw the Original KZread show, but they had more time to roleplay the implications of finding Cassandra and Matt does an excellent job of describing how her mental state has changed. Cass was no longer the sister he knew. She had grown up, he had grown up. It was never going to be how you imagined it was. Best part is Matt was able to describe all this without even so much as a hint that maybe she isn't fully on the party's side

Re: Vex, character development is a thing. 🤷 Also, like others pointed out, while she seemed tempted to leave in ep4, she didn't actually decide to.

@cartoonking1789

Жыл бұрын

They are too busy hyping up Keyleth (Not that Keyleth isn’t amazing and fun)

Interestingly Stockholm Syndrome is so rare that there's debate over if it even exists. The incident that gave name to it is pretty much the only record we have of it, and it's been heavily speculated that the information distributed about the incident was incorrectly recorded

@Americanbadashh

Жыл бұрын

It was also such a bad situation. The cops in that situation were willing to risk the hostages lives if it meant killing the crooks, and then the police were shocked when they weren't treated like heroes by every hostage so they got someone to make up a diagnosis to account for them not being worshiped like heroes

To give context to Percy's behavior, there's a mechanic within the game to simulate a corrupting influence on your character's behavior. All the characters were subject to that due to what's going on in Whitestone. Taliesin failed on his rolls to not be affected by this influence, so he is becoming more...evil and cruel in his actions, which allows what's in him to make matters worse. Vex is really not a bad person. Hopefully when you watch the show again (or digest fully this season), you'll see more of that. She's traumatized from her life experiences (losing her mother to a dragon, her father really not being a parent to her or Vax, them having to survive on their own because life among elves was too painful), and she's not really had a chance to heal. She has really only had her and Vax and Trinket to rely on, so the idea that Vax would fall in love and leave her all alone is a substantial fear. Laura (her player) admits that Vex has had to find reasons to actively dislike Keyleth because she otherwise likes her. You say you don't want to be an asshole, but you're absolutely being one when it comes to Vex at this point. And Ripley originally had 2 hands. She just was trying to replicate Percy's work and it blew up on her, leaving her without a hand. "Phantom limb" doesn't always affect people that way, though. We don't have any evidence that she feels the phantom limb.

I mean, both the Ziggurat AND residuum were mentioned several times in previous episodes. you even spoke over Scanlan explaining where they heard it before when Ripley first mentions it

@AnxietyRat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they have mentioned in the comments but they watched episode 5 like a month before this episode so I guess there was a lot of time in between them reacting to the episodes and so they forgot a lot of shit that was previously explained in previous episodes.

Don't worry, Vex didn't lie. She's just starting to grow a bit. They decided not to leave and now she's in for the long haul.

The 'spoiled for choice' means that they have options now, instead of just one sacrifice.

I think you two got a case of “KZreadr brains” on some of this stuff, because it was pretty well explained in the show. It happens on these reaction videos all the time. It can’t be easy to take everything in while reacting/talking/shipping AND irrationally hating Vex. LOL. The ziggurat was featured in Delilah's evil book, that Vax stole in Ep. 3. Scanlan referenced it in Ep. 4 when they were under house arrest, (just before Vax and Scanlan started shooting the bird at each other repeatedly.) When Scanlan and Keyleth were trying to read the book in Ep. 5, he talked about the ziggurat again, (mistranslating it as 'zippertwat" before Keyleth corrected him,) and they even showed a prominent drawing of it in the book. They introduced Residuum Glass, which is refined from Whitestone, in the flashback classroom scene with Percy and Cassandra. Episode 6. Prof. Anders showed Cassandra how Residuum Glass is a very powerful magical energy amplifier by shattering a crystal with it. His disagreement with Perry's father over a Residuum Glass refinery project that he proposed was the reason Prof. Anders betrayed the DeRollo family. Delilah talked about the Residuum Glass and the Ziggurat needing to be prepared on time with Dr. Anders, just before the “dinner guests” arrived in Ep. 5. Also, Delilah’s magical necklace beads (that glow whenever she casts a spell) are made of Residuum. And she was holding a big piece of it, and there were many other pieces of Residuum scattered around her magic ritual circle, when Delilah raised the huge horde of Zombies in Whitestone.

@Americanbadashh

Жыл бұрын

This is why I watch media alone. Then with friends. I gotta digest it properly

@MammalianCreature

Жыл бұрын

Definitely KZreadr brains, they apparently recorded ep five like a month before this one. I binged it all in one day, so I can't even imagine waiting a month

@thefonz8373

4 ай бұрын

Ye I am not sure what happened with this show.. Usually Alicia is on point with character analysis... But here, it feels like she doesn't pay attention at all. It is not tough to follow through, the show spells everything out for you. Maybe she just wasn't feeling it ig?

I know many have said it already, but just to clarify for the fun of it. A ziggurat is an actual building that was built in Mesopotamia. They're a pyramid-like structure with multiple levels, and it was believed they were often used for communicating with divine beings. They're very interesting structures and I recommend looking them up!

Fun fact: Matt Mercer, the DM for the actual Critical Role campaigns and the voice of Sylas, plays Jotaro in the ENG dub of JoJo

lol y’all determined to hate of Vex 😂😂😂 she mentioned leaving back in ep 4 and vax was like ‘so why don’t we’ implying that it is her call and he would follow her lead, but they don’t leave because she didn’t really want to! Plus; y’all been so hype about keyleth showing growth, why not take what she said there as a sign of her own growth; willing to admit to the group and herself she will not abandon them!?!

@MammalianCreature

Жыл бұрын

Critical Role fans when Vex gets hate: "Not the money waifu no!!!" Critical Role fans when people hate Marisha: "Haha Truuuuuuue!!"

@ryanbagley3293

Жыл бұрын

@@MammalianCreature I don’t like anyone getting hate. But yeah that does happen an uncomfortable amount, I feel like the Marisha hate has died down a bit lately but there will always be toxic hateful people and sadly they are often the loudest and most visible 😔

@thefonz8373

4 ай бұрын

@@MammalianCreature It is fascinating how the prime show and youtube show differ in this regard. In CR, Keyleth was probably one of the most hated characters, lot of it directed towards Marisha as well and most people loved Laura Bailey as Vex. Vex was still mildly annoying for me, but that is because I just loathe the rogue who needs to loot everything not nailed down trope. But other than that, Vex was cool. But here, people generally seem to love Keyleth and Vex got the short end of the stick. For a good portion of Season 1, she was just a massive dick XD. Also they somehow made Scanlan who was supposed to be a joke character that Sam mostly never took seriously(Remember this is before the Lament of the Bard) and made him into such an important character. I like it. CR Campaign 1 and Legend of Vox Machina are similar yet different in their own right. That's cool

@MammalianCreature

4 ай бұрын

@@thefonz8373 Yeah, it's a total role reversal of the original streams. It's nice though, they decided to write it out in a way that worked for TV, instead of trying to keep it fully stream-compliant. Shuffled some story-beats around, introduced some stuff earlier. I like it.

@VampireHunter5790

Ай бұрын

@@MammalianCreature wow... painting ALL critters with a real broad brush there bud. It was on the internet and on the internet haters gonna hate. there were lots of fans who defended marisha too. I was one of them. and even now some fans have apologized saying they realized their hate for Keyeleth was them projecting on to her because they recognized traits in her that they dislike in themslves.

C'mon you two, y'all can not like Vex, but at least let it be based on facts lol let the girl cook and develop.

I find it funny how Vex is getting the hate, here, while in the actual show people LOATHED 'kiki'. when being a great actress bites you in the ass; people assumed SHE was 'scatterbrained', rather than her character. :P

@MrJalasKelm

Жыл бұрын

Let's be honest, it was a bit of both. Go back and tell me she wasn't actually stoned quite a few of those early episodes :P And while some of her character choices were very much in character, there were also so many times she needed to stop, but she pushed a little to far... Her random interrogation of a random lady over her choice of religion is one example that really stuck with me for some reason. Multiple gods exist, and there was some serious shit going on, and she was laying into this lady over why she worshiped a god of harvest or some such... seemed odd, out of place... like, her initial line of questioning was fine, then just went off on one randomly. Much better grasp on her character for Campaign 2, and I'm very far behind on 3, but love her there so far

@hansolav5924

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJalasKelm I believe that is what is called 'immersion'. :) she'd been running the character for years before the game even started here. if anything's changed is that she no longer goes quite as deep into the character. :)

@Reblwitoutacause

Жыл бұрын

THANKS, KEYLETH

@thefonz8373

4 ай бұрын

@@MrJalasKelm Pretty much. That scene with Lady Kima all because she said the equivalent of "Bless You" was absolutely cringey and try-hard. Druids technically don't believe Gods, but they do believe in Nature Spirits. Also DND is not like our world. In that world, Gods are present everywhere, multiple people have gained audiences with Gods. It is not a vague concept like in our world. So the idea of someone denying Gods exist is lame as shit IMO. Also she just made the worst choices.. She hated on Kima for being a religious person and yet blindly trusted a FREAKING MINDFLAYER.. You know, the guys who are masters of the mind and really good at manipulating people? Ye. Another instance I can think of is pissing off Raishan. I get that it pertains to her backstory, but Marisha played the character so tactlessly that it hurt.. Hell Grog, a 6 Int Barbarian was smarter than her and that is saying something. Side note: I hate the fact that the Klarota portions never made it to the prime show. I understand because they couldn't just cut out the bits of Tiberius in the story, but still I would have liked to see Klarota and atleast heard the phrase "Hello, I am Tiberius Stormwind from Draconia".. Such a shame really

21:26 Ant she and Vax considered leaving but both had an unspoken agreement that they didn’t want to abandon the group because deep down they care. Clam down from the Vex hate.

While Vax never turns into a sheep, Liam's PC for the second campaign does.

@stevencavanagh7990

Жыл бұрын

not a Sheep a Cow maybe

Man, get off Vex’s back. She’s just a bit clingy to her brother since it was just the two of them ever since they became orphans from that dragon attack. Now she’s worried her brother “striking out” on his own and doesn’t know what she’d do without him.

Pretty sure Ripley lost her hand when trying to recreate Percy's gun and it blew up in her hand

@shaskusmas

Жыл бұрын

Yep. When she went at Percy with the 'hook hand' she was just holding a hook in her hand. But can we talk about Keyleth saying, 'she's unarmed,' when Percy wanted to shoot her. Lol

Do they ever find out in the video that a ziggurat is a stepped pyramid? Time will tell. Modern conception the ancient structures tends to associate them with large public structures for use in offering sacrifices.

Laughing at the relatable depression moment, seriously, familiar. Percy is my favourite, and also, Percy is... SUPER not okay, at any point in this series. Taliesin Jaffe, Percy's DnD player/voice, has spoken about the complete garbage fire that is Percy's emotional health. He will be the first to tell you that our smartboy is ...not a great person. Vox Machina is the only reason he even HAS a moral compass. It's kind of hilarious to listen to Taliesin talk about Percy, because he so obviously LOVES the character, and there's so much depth there, and at the same time he's like, oh, no, you absolutely shouldn't root for this guy, he's terrible!

In very rude terms, a ziggurat is a "proto pyramid" in the sense it has not the triangular appearance and is more segmented. But it's an old style of building. No problem of not knowing what it is. It's kinda underground knowledge.

Dr. Anna Ripley is the Dolores Umbridge of Critical Role. She might not be the big bad, but everyone agrees *she's the worst*. It's a blink and you miss it kind of thing but Ripley is missing her hand and there is a ruined copy of Percy's gun nearby. The game goes into a little more detail with this. Ripley was attempting to replicate Percy's work with his gun, recognizing the power such a weapon has in their world. Remember, Percy invented them but only after he escaped the Briarwoods' grasp. Ripley has been listening out for any sign of Percy out in the world and has heard tales of him and his new weapon. She tried to copy the design based off descriptions of the gun and her copy literally blew up in her hand, taking the hand with it. It wouldn't be until Sylas saw it in action at Emon and relayed that info back to Ripley that she'd finally figure out how the gun actually works and can build it herself...except now she got herself thrown into the dungeons by the Briarwoods for attempting to escape with that information. Side note, in game Ripley has the *exact* same stats as Percy does, same intelligence score, same wisdom, everything. She's literally intended to be a dark reflection of Percy had he gone down a different path. Yeah, turns out No Mercy Percy might have some dark influences. When creating the character, Taliesin only came up with the "had a dream filled with smoke, in the morning had the inspiration to design the first gun" part of that backstory, he left it up to Matt to determine if it was just a dream or something else. Taliesin himself never described smoke coming off his body during his vengeance kills, it was always Matt chiming in to the others "you start to see black smoke pouring out of Percy's clothing" and Taliesin just ran with it. Ant: "Too much time in the VR" Alicia: *death glare* One of my favorite Percy lines there as they agree to take Ripley along. "Right now you're the luckiest person in Whitestone. Because you're at the *bottom of my list."* Percy is a cold motherfucker with his one liners. A ziggurat is a stepped tower usually with a temple of some kind at the top. Think about the design of the Aztec pyramids. Those are ziggurats. Literally just a pyramid with large blocky steps up the sides instead of a smooth slope and with a temple at the top. Scanlan mentioning leaving to go to court, remember that technically Vox Machina is still on the run, wanted for escaping their keep while under house arrest for the crime of assaulting the Briarwoods during the banquet. This whole mission is partly to gather evidence of the Briarwoods being a bunch of evil bastards up to no good in order to clear their name. They technically have the evidence now: Cassandra with them and the citizens of Whitestone to back up the horrific deeds the Briarwoods have been up to for years. They can clear their name, they just need to survive long enough to do so. Vax is a speedy boy. He's already naturally fast and has magic boots that effectively can double his speed when he activates them. The man can zip around the battlefield and disappear into the shadows. His stealth is so high that he is occasionally joked to vanish from existence entirely. Yeah, you guys called Cassandra turning on them. Great catch with the eye flicker hinting at it too. She's got a combination of both Stockholm Syndrome and brainwashing via being charmed, so yeah Cassandra has some issues. It's funny that you mention Vax turning into a literal lamb. The character Vax's player Liam plays in the 2nd campaign has a moment where the party was in a place where magic can sometimes go wild and have unpredictable reactions and his character, a wizard, cast a spell to teleport across the room during a fight...and turned into a sheep on the other side because of the wild magic. This is an actual thing that happened to him in game. The acid scene is the perfect example of Grog being Grog. Dumb enough to jump into a pool of acid. Loyal enough to do it for his friends. Tough enough to survive it.

Barbarian Rage gives you a lot of damage resistance…but it doesn’t resist acid.

@LilyKazami

Жыл бұрын

It does for a certain barbarian type (Bear Tribe), they get resistance to all elemental damages. But Grog's just a standard Berserker whose Rage only resists physical damage.

Pike is almost the heart of the group, being a Cleric, more often than not they are confidants to people. Especially that lovely little gnome.

Oh yeah the acid trap, in the actual campaign episode that they got trapped in the acid room they almost got TPK’d due to not knowing what to do but they did get out after all

@shaskusmas

Жыл бұрын

And Vax pushed the button to trigger the trap before he was charmed. He thought it opened the door lol.

Finally! Someone who heard Ripley’s likes to Percy and was like: “Why the hell do you sound so flirty with the kid you tortured the fuck out five years ago!”

You guys didn’t notice the eyes also you guys have a lot of hate for vex for no reason lmao

@CrownofMischief

Жыл бұрын

Which eyes did they not notice? They brought up Cassandra's eyes shining, was there another?

@Lilian620.

Жыл бұрын

@@CrownofMischief vex’s look of guilt

@CrownofMischief

Жыл бұрын

@@Lilian620. gotcha, your statement was just pretty broad, you might want to include time stamps next time. It's a long episode

@Lilian620.

Жыл бұрын

@@CrownofMischief all good, I will remember that next time

Fun fact about the scene where they fight Percy's ancestors. In DnD Bards have a spell called Vicious Mockery. The idea is they can use magic to turn their insults into damage. Scanlan used that spell to finish off one of the zombies, and Percy reacted "Did you just mock my ancestor to death?" Taliesin is just a font of one liners.

You guys should react to Travis Willingham's Spooktacular! The guy who plays Grog had to go through a Halloween... thing. Because kickstarter. It's funny.

Interesting lil thing I noticed rewatching episode 7, when Anders has Cassandra at knife point, it almost looks like she moves his arm towards her own throat.

A ziggurat is just a pyramid with anti-aliasing disabled.

Ziggurats are real structures

17:42 - _"Be a lamb, would you?"_ - *“What if he literally turned into a lamb? Wouldn't that have been funny?”* That doesn't happen until campaign 2, when Liam's new character turns from Caleb into Calamb (others keep calling it "sheepleb", but "Calamb" was _right there!)_

@VampireHunter5790

Ай бұрын

Oooh weird thought I just had, "Be a Lamb would you?" is him asking Vax to trigger the trap on his friends.... but also what animal is most often used for sacrifices? Uh... yeah a Lamb. Not sure if it was planned or just a funny coincidence XD

The Ziggurat was the friends we made along the way.

And this is how the bard and the barbarian did a duo rock concert

Mad respect to Ant, that VR comment was funny as hell.

How yall remember Vex and Vax's convo about leaving (which BOTH of them were considering) but not remember the Zipper-twat convo??? the hate-boner for Vex is STRONG

Vex isn't a liar, she just underwent Character Development.

Season 2 in two days let's fucking GOOOOOOOOOOO

@shaskusmas

Жыл бұрын

Nah, it's today. They did the same thing season 1. Said it would be out on Friday but dropped it Thursday instead. Is it Thursday yet?

a ziggurat is a pyramid, but steppy XD

Grog is best boi, but gotta give Scanlan the props as well. If not for him they woulda been ded for sure lol.

It’s a stepped pyramid

I just wanna say I 100% agree with Ant They need to man the fuck up and add song DONG to tv shows or whatever kind of entertainment!

"Ziggurat" is Sumerian for "pyramid," basically.

A ziggurat is bassically a pyramid and a prayer alter in one.

I sorta hope Ant hasn't seen the Game of Thrones Southpark episode where butters spends the entire episode talking about the dongs that show up. I'd love to see a reaction with him to that episode

I wonder when you guys questioning about what Ziggurat is, is it about in the show or real life. Because it's a real thing. 🤣

Perhaps the Ziggurat was the friends we made along the way?

the idea of one of liam characters turning in to a lamb seems like spoilers at this point

Two days till season 2

There are a few episode of The Boondocks where they show the full meat package on screen, in case ANT wants to know

25:40 Oh, so thaaat's a Ziggeraut!

4:27 Actually, phantom limb sensation is an occasional sense of pain wherever the missing limb is. What you suggested here wouldn’t work because the sensation comes from the brain itself not processing that a limb is gone, not the actual nerves in the limb P.S. - Although, you could use a mirror on the other hand during the torture to trick the brain into feeling double the pain of the wounds

12:40 -- That was a Macho Man Elbow, not The Peoples' Elbow. It's off the top turnbuckle, not off the ropes. 21:22 -- I'm with the rest of these comments. She's not lying. 23:37 -- I'm told there's a frame earlier in the episode where you can see it.

Boi got dem Demons lol

I know this is a hear old, but as someone who has multiple siblings we make fun of each all the time, especially when we haven't seen each other in a bit.

you keep referring to 'stockholm syndrome', but refuse to acknowledge the impact life under vampires and warlocks would have on a young mind growing up around them. strong emotion was probably deemed....unwise. nevermind that things are under a certain time pressure, here. things can be discussed at length when the right blood(or, y'know, any blood :P) rules again. Also, not too sure 'stockholm syndrome' would be very valid, here. the pair is not normal human beings by any measure. her life would likely have been one of 'staying quiet' when not hauled out for some purpose or other. like as not she was just kept alive to manipulate the populace if and when needed. always handy to have the 'right blood' in your back pocket.

@Aliciaxlife

Жыл бұрын

Stockholm syndrome isn’t something happy. You described it in the second half of what you are saying. With the addition that she can believe them and love them as her own family because she feels attachment since Percy left her. If you think it’s anything else that is only because you watched the final episodes and know what happens next

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

@Aliciaxlife Stockholm syndrome unfortunately isn't an accurate description (either its colloquial use or its actual real world inspiration) of what happened to Cassandra. She was gaslit repeatedly, as well as being physically and emotionally abused. She doesn't trust anyone, including her brother. Repeated use of mind control magic is unfortunately shifting her into a situation of "this family may abuse me but they didn't leave me to die." Trauma is a very complicated thing, especially with Cassandra. I've studied "Stockholm syndrome" extensively, and she has too much hate and distrust for that. She is responding to everything like someone going through the initial stages of trauma recovery. She's not going to act like a normal person, just like someone recovering from a severe injury isn't going to respond like a healthy individual either.

@hansolav5924

Жыл бұрын

@@Aliciaxlife I'd actually forgotten the specifics with regards to Cassandra. as supported by David, I very much leaned to a case of 'vampire gaze' over 'dependence' or 'love'.

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

@Hans Olav Matt's actually talked about it before, and the long term abuse does a lot to Cassandra. The fact she's even slightly engaging in behaviors that are familiar to Percy's memory of her shows her resilience. It's a very accurate portrayal. As an abuse survivor, I feel such sympathy for her arc. I know it's not intended this way, but it's really uninformed to think she'd react in the way they've both been describing. Trauma responses don't work that way, and it's unrealistic to expect them to.

Wait, is that... KELLY HU!! LET'S GO!!

4:56 love that stare

I'm in the middle of watching the backlog, and jeez i hope the unnecessary vex hate dies down in season 2. ya'll really reaching this episode

one got away. Delilah and her pet would want to mess with him when he inevitably returned. so, they kept the sister on hand. As for 'stockholm syndrome'...think that requires the captors to be human. neither of the pair answer that label no more.

Percy got more that just that dog in him 😝

Just not looking at Vex’s character development I see

oh shit it's my time again? Ok here I go again First x2

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I know series is like 9 months old but bro, mega L takes on Vex all around, its like a circle jerk of two people who conviniently forget the good parts of the characters so they can keep stroking the negative bias they have, even when it ignores logic lol

Funny thing, I don't remember Vex being so useless or demeaning to everyone in the actual campaign.

you guys really can't remember any of the plotline can you?

The heavy metal pun is a little cheesy, but I'll take it.

@jordanpeterson5140

Жыл бұрын

Like all Scanlan's jokes aren't?

@Gumgumgamer009

Жыл бұрын

I won’t ever scoff at a gnome Playing a heavy metal riff on a lute using a giant purple hand as a stage and raft of life saving him and his friends from dying in acid 🤣

This is early! Ty)

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21:33 no, it's not. back then, it was a commentary of what they COULD be doing, and WHY they DIDN'T. you need to stop misreading people.

nice

Love how everyone is yelling about a plot point in a campaign that is never explicitly brought up into this show, I really believe with the information that's given to Alicia, she has every right to kinda hate Vex BUT it's also the show's fault for not elaborating to the general audience who do not have time to watch 2-3hr episodes of people playing DnD that what each of these characters backstories are, so all they can really do is just take what vex says and does at face value

@greyscaleadaven

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it's so pointless to be trying to defend a fictional character in a show because you have more context than the person watching. The show doesn't give out Vex's motivations because it's setting up for what happens later, can people just let them have opinions on the show without throwing a temper tantrum every episode... It's like using a comic of manga and comparing it to the movie/anime getting mad bc someone doesn't get 100% missing subtext. Doesn't matter what happens in campaign, they are experiencing it through the animated show. And there are a lot of other retcons that happen in the show to diverge from the campaign's canon, including Vex's attitude. It's very intentional in the writing, so it's confusing how some critters legit are getting mad ab it lmao

@VampireHunter5790

Ай бұрын

Right... but they also just blantantly want to ignore her actual shown character developement. Episode 4 is in the show, what she says to Percy is IN. THE. SHOW. they just like Kiki so much that they are ignoring the fact that Vex can have complex reasons and emotions. She vaguely and hypothetically considered leaving the group with Vax for 2 minutes in episode 4 so she MUST be lying to Percy about never abandoning him.... like she hasn't be bonding with him the whole season? Like she can't have a change of heart? Like maybe she does really like Kiki deep down but doesn't want to be abandoned by her twin for a love interest so she is pushing kiki away to force Vax to choose either her or Kiki? SHe has been getting better towards Kiki since episode 5 and siblings just tease each other about shit "I told you those vines have thornes" is a pretty typical sibling jab. Some of the criticism of their dislike of Vex is perfectly valid and not based on things from the campaign that are not shown in the show.