To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. - Grimgor

@giusespada00

Жыл бұрын

Very Grimgory of him

@JustMe4414

Жыл бұрын

Truly the most Grimgor moment of all time

@NikFlatcher

Жыл бұрын

"The Art of Waaagh!"

@LarsArt

Жыл бұрын

Brutally cunning

@fynnenaux8311

Жыл бұрын

Very Grimgor Zu xD

I think it’s actually nice that a new race DLC gives some cool new opportunities to old races too. Gives the content layers.

@Kalidoscope1230

Жыл бұрын

100% unintentional but yesm.

@xanman2003

Жыл бұрын

I was holding off on a grimgor campaign cause I wanted to scrap with the dawi zharr. Probably won’t use this exploit though

@Nikolas5842

Жыл бұрын

And ogres have layers... like onions

@FilipMoncrief

Жыл бұрын

Sees a massive design flaw, calls it a content layer. You should work for CA or at least Bethesda

@BeeWaifu

Жыл бұрын

Like an onion?

This video pairs so nicely with milkandcookiesTW last video about siege battles being broken

@mattisuber222

Жыл бұрын

Now that the Chaos Dwarfs are about to arrive, I want to see CA take 6 months to seriously address the Siege issues, the DE slave system (rework was really unpopular), unit pathing and AI decision-making. Fixing these issues will truly elevate the game. Do I think any of these things are going to be solved in the next 6 months? Unlikely :(

@Nikolas5842

Жыл бұрын

@@mattisuber222 We can only wish 😢

@sethketa

Жыл бұрын

@@mattisuber222 6 months is generous. Remember, it took them 6 years to make sieges WORSE.

@kommentier9884

Жыл бұрын

​@@shaw815 CA themselves admitted that they're not happy with it and probably change it up in the future AGAIN

@Andrew-kz5ew

Жыл бұрын

@@shaw815 DE slave rework was only popular with a few sub 80 IQ idiots on KZread.

This video is a definition of Orc's "brutally cunning" philosophy. Mork (or Gork) would be proud.

We held the point for 15 minutes, you are now legally required to leave.

Oh my god, they fixed Grimgor's weird light green skin in the intro cinematic as well as in-game!

@psychologicalbed4900

Жыл бұрын

I'm actually surprised that changed. I was worried he would remain light green in his intro cinematic but would be dark green in game. But the next update will for some reason probably change him back to light green yet again

@Kai-fb1ol

Жыл бұрын

@@psychologicalbed4900 Yeah, but even if they do, mods can fairly easily fix his in-game skin. They can't fix the intro cinematic, which is why I was worried it'd stay like that forever.

At first I couldn't recreate this because not all troops in the center square would leave for the walls. The trick I found was to bring grimgor back underneath the destroyed gate but DONT bring him inside to attack. The AI will guard the gate and send everyone in the square over, minus the hellcannon but they won't attack him as long as he just stays under the gate.

Nice Video my dude. with the release of every single race and faction, It is Grimgor who gets stronger by getting more chances of a good fight.

@yukiko6137

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully only for a player...

@pzatotalwar

Жыл бұрын

@@yukiko6137 not really, even AI Grimgor is pretty aggressive.

This reads like a WoW dungeon guide. I remember the old days of sticking to the walls to avoid aggro.

And here I was thinking the Nasty Skulkers couldn't get any cheesier with their "always on" Opportunist Murderer being (in my opinion) bugged to hell. In TW:WH2 it was active "when winning in melee", now it's just an always-on combat steroid from hell.

@raynightshade8317

Жыл бұрын

Should activate with the charge bonus and if they are attacking in flank or rear

@raynightshade8317

Жыл бұрын

I think if your raiding it should give you a notification about them mustering an amy to deal with your and if your still raiding after spawn a 20 stack to attack your army until you are at war or out of their territory

@loowick4074

Жыл бұрын

Just shows how broken the code of wh3 is. Even modders who worked for years on wh3 says this game has much much more Messier code. It's so bad that some people are even on a conspiracy theory that it was sabotaged by a peeved employee.

@terbentur2943

Жыл бұрын

Yup they are broken, just like Waagh armies have been broken sometimes including legendary lords inside of them. Hope it gets fixed eventually

@jordinagel1184

Жыл бұрын

@@loowick4074 I find the existence of said modders very doubtful, considering that, considering the game’s release, it’s impossible for there to be any modders who’ve worked with the game “for years”…

Nice video mate, you're calm and explain everything very well, thanks for it!

Just want to confirm this still works, took me a few trys to get it right but you need to make sure your units are tight to the wall in the corner

@HanmaCaleb

3 ай бұрын

Tried it, need to take the Key Building before the main one is open to being taken so now it is impossible

Absolutely love the cheese, nice work man!

This is genuinely such a well put together tutorial video I thought you would have at least 10 thousand subs that's crazy

This is awesome! Imrik tier 4 Zharr Naggrund 1st new campaign

Seen a reddit post of your vid last night and instantly subscribed, I love these tricks and start videos! 😊

would like to see more like this! great content and now subscribed!

makes sense with grimgor too considering his history with the chaos dwarves

It's an awesome start strategy. Works perfectly! Also happened to see 3 bugs on this first play of Grimgor. My hero insta died at gate with no one around him. Waagh you can call afterwards is missing text for chaos dwarves. And also the "cunning" trait overwrites "Skarsniks death juice" skill from Night goblin warbosses.

Great guide! Worked like a charm. If you want to try this, make sure you don't let your skulkers path through a capture point or you lose the element of stealth. Towers can't see you.

This honestly upsets me that this is possible, it’s so dumb that the AI will just sit back and not attack your forces outside, as well as simply give up and die because some crappy goblins are sitting on top of a hill

@adriankoch964

Жыл бұрын

Same thing can happen to the player even if they have an unbreakable one man doomstack defending that could kill the entire attacking army. "Oh but the aremy are sitting on the I WIN points" - gimme 20 minutes, there won't be a "they" left. Nope you lose, time to die offscreen, one man doomstack.

Glad I held off on playing Grimgor until the Chaos Dwarfs appeared. Everyone expected his campaign to be different. When the DLC drops I'll actually play a Grimgor campaign first.

This is excellent, love a Sneaky Git tactic :)

Just did this one now. Thanks a lot my guy

Nice , really good video !

Cunningly brutal, just like Mork woulda liked it

Excellent work...scribed up...thanks pal...

Subscribed! Quality Content!

Eccellente tips man, thanks!

Great video!

great work getting this down pat!

Unfortunately, as of 5.0.3 this strategy is no longer valid because the major capture point is locked by default and can only be unlocked by capturing "key" capture points elsewhere on the battle map. I tried a few variations but none seem to work.

Grimgor's start was easy anyway, literally every game he snowballs, I guess it's only this easy if you're controlling it though, unsure if the AI can still snowball from this position.

@sanderleander3367

Жыл бұрын

The AI will have their backs secure for a looong time with this. Since the Dawi zharr of nagrund won't attack them. So i think they'll be fine. However they will have less orks to confederate. So they will probably not snowball as hard as normally.

@TheUrobolos

Жыл бұрын

Havent tried IE yet, but AI Grimgor is nowhere as dangerous in the story campaign. I suppose it's because he isnt considered a main faction in that map so it dosent get autoresolves bonus. Either Zhao or Greasus usually eats him alive.

@sanderleander3367

Жыл бұрын

@@TheUrobolos Interesting Because Greasus is absolute trash in Immortal empires. But that is because he is sandwitched between Grimgor who becomes strength rank 1, and Helman Ghorst who becomes Strength rank 2. But it all depends on difficulty. On legendary Grimgor is a menace. On normal difficulty he recruits way less units and that is what makes Grimgor scary. is 20 turns in he has 4-5 armies.

@TheUrobolos

Жыл бұрын

@@sanderleander3367 Because all of these lords in IE are considered a main playable faction and thus with autoresolve bonuses. On the same bonuses ogres Just dont have the economy to match the greenskins and/or undead numbers. But in the story campaign instead hes surrounded by bonuless factions

Nice Video!

Excellent video great job. This is high cheese and I couldn't see myself doing it though

Amazing cheese, thank you for sharing!

Great video

Just tried it. It works, ty bro 😊

This really works, gonna bust out this trick for a co-op campaign tonight and surprise my friend, lol

nice vid, thankyou. I'll be doing this.

Nice video mate, I'll be sure to give this a bash. As a side question, where is your accent from? It sounds like a mixture of very light Scottish and something else?

@onepitchman6910

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! hope you have fun when you get your hands on it! I'm from Bristol, my dad is Scottish so may hear hints of that every now and then in my accent to. :)

That cheese looks so delicious, that I must take a bite.

So my Grimgor got one shotted while attacking the left gate, including a unit of Infernal Guard. I’ve tried it 3 times in a row and it still happens, I’m trying to figure out what is up with it lol.

I gave this a shot and came close to capturing it, what happened was there was a hero stationed on the back cap so I had to attack him, he ran and was really a threat but the army that was supposed to move towards the wall did not, plus a random set of reinforcements came from behind the cap so I lost the company of stalkers, I’ll give it another shot and hopefully they will move and I won’t have to worry.

As soon as you started getting nasty skulkers I knew where this was going. The siege AI really needs to be updated

I hate it; most excellently done!

@SuperCosmicChaos

Жыл бұрын

Orks are made to fight and win! but in that fight all i was thinking was am i watching Skaven?

@Mario-kf3ej

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperCosmicChaos orks maybe ... now goblins ... is another story and they were doing dirty work there. Gobbos are sneaky gits as much as Skaven.

Looking forward for Tariff video on this strategy

Grimgor needs a proper Da bestest mechanic not some fancy start poeitions Give him what he deserves CA He and Queek head taker and Wulfrick the wonderer has the potential of being the meanest characters in the entire game with the most fun campaigns All of these 3 characters are hero and champion hunters you can easily give them some campaign mechanic based on the same aspect and just change the decoration to fit each of their themes

thank u, good job.👌

Did this and when grimgor broke the gate he just randomly dies at full health???????

Settlement battles are the biggest problem of current WH. But at the same time … it’s funny how ridiculous it is MilkandCookiesTW has had a similar video about zharr naggarund siege battle but with reverse rolls where the battle ends despite winning but losing cause of the shitty capture the flag mechanic

@Dianbler

Жыл бұрын

I mean, all you realistically have to do is turtle in the best corner of the settlement and use towers to pepper the enemy. Overall is better play with a mod that prevents points being gained in settlement / siege battles, it has improve my experience since I don't have to see infinite towers being rebuild. It does make Cathay a dumb strong faction defending too, if you use the compass with the +4k supply.

@Schacal6666

Жыл бұрын

@@Dianbler You lose before the enemy is fleeing if its mmore than one army cause they win automatically through capture the flag / points

@Dianbler

Жыл бұрын

@@Schacal6666 Then protect the point. There is just one point that means a lost. If you protect that one, you don't lose. Walls are very inefficient to protect anyways.

now dis iz brutal kunnin' yer spiky stuntiez gits

well done

Still works as of 10/24/2023. Took me two tries as the first try Grimgor walked inside of the settlement. Keep an eye on him to move him back behind the wall the second the gate goes down.

I don't know if they have patched it but i have one slight problem. When grimgor is laying siege i cannot transfer the last 3 units into his army somehow, anybody got help?

@onepitchman6910

Жыл бұрын

Make sure that all event notifications are gone (the big descriptions that pop up in the top right). For some reason you can't transfer units while one is on the screen.

"Some times, I dream about Cheese" *Legend of Total War

And to think people were worried about Chaos Dwarf power creep

@Dabs_4_Dayz

Жыл бұрын

beware the green tide i guess lmao

now that is brutally cunning

Snik the stunties where they arent. Grim-gor, The art of Waaaaaaghh!!

Just seen this today and figured I’d give it try, but it would appear that grimgor doesn’t have stalkers?

@samjones2112

Жыл бұрын

yeah i tried too, seems they hotfixed it.

So nasty skulkers are the equivalent of ninjas from shogun 2. I see.

Besides meta gaming and me applauding your ingenuity but I won't do this because I think it takes away from the enjoyment but great video!!

Still works, 1st try got hit by the Centaur patrol + big drake and lost but on 2nd try was smooth af. Thanks! EDIT: Hit by them on the capture point, for some reason they both came for it but on the 2nd try they didn't lol.

Please algorithm don't let this go viral before release so we can try it before the hotfix

@FFAFANBOY

Жыл бұрын

This cheese has been available since the release of the game and CA 100% knows about it but aren't going to do anything about it because they know how people hate settlement battles already. So don't you worry!

Oy git, dat some smelly cheese you did there! gj

I was expecting one would at least need a waagh

The orc "visual" bug is still in full swing when playing dwarfs... like half the settlements even max teir are the orc versions on the campaign map...

Question: what unique landmark grimgor has in zhar nagrund ? I really Like them

@onepitchman6910

Жыл бұрын

He get's "the great temple of hashut (desecrated)"! it's a pretty nice building; gold, power reserve factionwide, character experience factionwide and 10% research.

@kommentier9884

Жыл бұрын

Would have liked some actual unique boni. Like that thing is the birthplace of the Black Orks, right? Why not give some (meaningful) factionwide buffs to them, like reduce their recruit time, reduce their upkeep, give them "Frenzy" etc

@kornelkalksztajn3883

Жыл бұрын

​@@onepitchman6910 thanks

So what do I do if I don't have the DLC for the Nasty Skulkers?

@onepitchman6910

Жыл бұрын

There is a another cheese, atm you can move your reinforcement point inside the settlement. Move your units into a secondary army and in-battle move the reinforce marker around the back inside the settlement.

@undeadmens

Жыл бұрын

get cream api to get all the dlc for free

Does this still work?

I had no idea looting a settlement reduces the level of it

Some call legend of total cheese quickly the lord must know

Does this require pre-ordering the Chaos Dwarves dlc?

@gigachad5961

Жыл бұрын

No, you don’t have to buy the dlc for being able to do this

@WellHiFellers

Жыл бұрын

@@gigachad5961 ty

Doesn’t work anymore When you have your units clumped up they cast a bombardment spell on top of you😢

Just in time for chaos dwarfs to get stomped

Haha, this works the same with Astragoth - some army plus six units of sneaky hobgoblins.

Mork is pleased

I just found another video showed that Grimgor can actually get this city on turn 2, by moving reinforce position to the core of it...

they need to fix black orks looking like they have hockey sticks as seen at 5:22

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHH! THANKZ STONE IDOL.

This is great for when Grimgor is controlled by the player but this new start position will make him almost sure to die off quickly when controlled by the AI which I don't like at all. The AI does not handle starting with minor settlements very well.

@kommentier9884

Жыл бұрын

If there is 1 AI faction that gets cheats upon cheats its AI Grimgor. Don't worry about him

@ktvindicare

Жыл бұрын

@@kommentier9884 I hope you're right. It'd be really lame to see Grimgor get wiped out in a majority of my campaigns without him doing any real krumpin. He's a staple of the campaign map.

@Nakai865

Жыл бұрын

Most campaign play-through that I have seen has a lot of trouble dealing with him so i’m sure that he will be fine.

the garrison was really bugged in my game random units got stuck on buildings and uncovered my skulkers still doable but annoying :) love this new starting location

@theaseus654

Жыл бұрын

omg i got 3 caravans in 3 turns after this xD now i have 100k best start ever

What happened to Grimgor's landmark, then? Is that back at Black Crag now or what?

@onepitchman6910

Жыл бұрын

His landmark has been moved to Karak Vrag in his new starting province.

@HiddenEvilStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@onepitchman6910...Oh. I did not expect that they would do that. Thanks for telling me.

Ahhh, I wondered why so many lords. That's clever.

cunningly brutal

wel made video

Ahh, I love the smell of cheese in the morning

Was this patched?

Very cunning but brutal

Huh, could you do this as one of the new Chaos dwarf factions or as Borris? Awesome video.

@torbk

Жыл бұрын

Nope. You need an army with Skulk units.

@letsplaysvonaja1714

Жыл бұрын

​@@torbkthe chaos dwarfs have hobgoblins that are just like skulkers

@JoJo-il6mz

Жыл бұрын

@@letsplaysvonaja1714 I don't think chaos dwarves can declare war on zharr nagrund

@torbk

Жыл бұрын

@@letsplaysvonaja1714 Do they have stalk? That's the important bit. If they do, it could work.

Is this fixed?

Ah so this is just the same as how you use to own with Skragg in RoC by setting up your whole army on one side and then haveing stalk units cap points its a nice strat but i do think anything capping points should be made visable as the AI is dumb and just ignores them

CA: How do we make siege battles? CA: Lets make it so they can capture X point on the map and win 1 to 300 manpower difference.

Cheese for the Cheese God!

I love this video because it shows everything that is fundamentally flawed with TWWH3 sieges. I mean don't get me wrong i love the cheese but holy fuck.

@letsplaysvonaja1714

Жыл бұрын

You could do the same in wh2 though

@tuh774

Жыл бұрын

@@letsplaysvonaja1714 Yes thats why TWWH sieges suck. Thats why i am never excited about a siege in this game and just cheese through that shit. At least in WH2 AI wasn't playing like a beta cuck and was sending armies at me so majority of my campaign wasn't siege battles.

@BittermanAndy

Жыл бұрын

@@letsplaysvonaja1714 not the same. The capture point was always much closer to the walls and the AI would put artillery (and units to defend the artillery) on it. Even if they didn't, then when you started capturing the point they could bring units back to recapture it quickly as they weren't far away. In WH3, the main capture point is so pointlessly far away from the walls that there's almost never artillery on it (it would be out of range!) and it takes so long to get from the walls to the capture point that the enemy can't possibly recapture it in time.

Ninja cap is key - Sun tzu

Zharr-Naggrund should be a ten-slot settlement for Grimgor.

I don't understand, I did it perfectly first time, but every other time after they just stay in the middle??????????????? WTF!?!?!

bruh im so confused, grimgor got oneshot or just like randomly died or something?

@zankaa8031

Жыл бұрын

oh it worked on the second try, time to commit hate crimes against chorfs

@Indigoism96

Жыл бұрын

Dude, it just happened to me as well. How did my Grimgor just die in one shot??

crazy