2:27 That was close enough. Josh got it on his last attempt. You guys rock too. Thanks Guys.

@Cryonicity

5 жыл бұрын

Gree-bass Gribis Greebis gray-bis Gray-boss

Lightning bolt my grenzo? In response I activate grenzo and before that resolves tap tel jilad stylus targeting grenzo.

The banter between you guys is the best! Obviously the scripted stuff is great, but to me the best part of tCZ is when you go off on random tangents together like fried chicken, fitness, sriracha sauce, and even non-end step moments like bouncing combo ideas off of each other, reminiscing about a certain play that happened once - all obviously unscripted moments together. And then a lot of times you'll both snap back to the camera like "Hey! Moving on..." and then it's back to the show - no! Please, continue bantering! It's the most entertaining part of the show!

I'm pausing now, to say that it was ABSOLUTELY the greatest intro so far. 👏🏻

Hey guys! Just writing to thank you for everything you did for me with your podcasts. Since I have concussion, I'm stuck at home without being able to do anything, and listening to your podcasts is the one thing that keeps me from sinking into depression for doing nothing all this time. I'm always eager to listen to a new of your podcasts, as there always incredible. Keep up your great work(and great singing)!!!

@mennopijnenburg7158

6 жыл бұрын

Sucks to be stuck in bed friend, but it's great that these podcasts help you. And by the way, it's terrific that you're thanking these people for it :) Get well soon!

I can imagine Tel-Jilad Stylus on the stack right after Grenzo ability targeting itself to protect him :)

@jonathanbrittain

3 жыл бұрын

Sebastian Nowak That would cripple the deck though, putting him back to a 2/2

@bradycurtis668

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanbrittain no the deck is built for most creatures being below 2 power, I guess it depends how you build the deck

@trveheimer6360

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanbrittain thats why i run afew cards buffing goblins by +1+1 so i can run a gadrak in it

The intro was top notch. You two always just seem to happy to open up the show, more deck techs please!

Entomb plus conjures bubble. There is a couple artifacts that put a single card on bottem of your library.

Definately one of my favorite deck. The face of people attacking you the first time and realizing you can pull out huge blockers is priceless! Here are a few cards you haven't talked about that are just great: Ravenous chupacabra (better than Neckratall) Herald of Leshrac Márton Stromgald (Nostalgia + win con!) Ashnod's altar Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker (insane card with sac outlet) Great video,

@NMerriott80

3 жыл бұрын

Ravenous chup was the first card that came to my mind while watching this lol!

I loved the insight into josh's process during game knights. Mentally juggling fun decks while maintaining an enjoyable viewing for the audience isn't what your average fan is going to think about when commenting on a video, and I appreciate the work we don't get to see.

The London mulligan is confirmed!

I love playing decks with cards that are strange and only good in that specific deck. Currently I am playing Sram, Senior Edificer, with all the 0 CMC Equipments (not new, you had it on the show but I really like playing those "useless" cards). Love that Grenzo deck!

This is right up my alley! I've been eyeing Grenzo for awhile AND been trying to get back into fitness! Thank you guys! And Jimmy, looking good!

I actually built this after seeing the Game Knights episode and it is now my favorite deck. So much fun. Thanks for the great content, love the show!

the oposite of dungeon is the throne

Love the editing on this show. Keep up the great work.

My favorite EDH deck--- but i for sure spin the wheel a lot without knowing what's on the bottom :)

I just wanna say, concerning your video output, entire channel even, MMMMAAAAAANNNNN it's so good. Thanks for it all!

Makes me so happy to see epitaph golem getting love. I love that card in casual magic.

Regarding cards that are only good on some decks. In Neheb, the Eternal I play cards like flame rift that just only deal damage to everybody inluding myself just to get value from Neheb's ability. In any other deck this is just 2 mana deal 4 to everybody which isn't too impactful when people have 40 life, but in Neheb it's essentially pay 2 mana, gain 12 which is amazing. Another example is my Marath, Will of the Wild deck in which I use Ivy Lane Denizen, which is normally terrible, but in Marath it just means that I can freely make tokens and he never runs out of +1+1 counters.

I Build it as a Goblin combo tribal. Mana Echoes is way fun with a few goblins on the board and Grenzo :D

Your opening are just perfect ! Thank you for your amazing content !!

I have a Scarab God deck and once I was able to get like 15 zombies at one time or something out on the battle field and so when the scry trigger happened I basically only remembered the first 5 or so. Scrying 15 is basically nonsense at that point. haha. So I feel your mental pain remembering what's all on the bottom of your library with this deck.

Hey guys, I listened to the entire show without skipping content because your opening was finished so fast before I had the desire to hit the skip button, GOOD JOB!!!

Grenzo was my first commander deck I ever made, and I've only come here for the entertainment that is Grenzo, but I wanted to say BOY was I happy when they changed the mulligan rule to hove the cards under the deck. I told everyone Grenzo was the best and they called me *crazy* but what fools they were

A deck I play the uses absolutely crazy cards is a deck with Scion of the Ur-dragon and Mirror Entity. Which abuses the fact that you can essentially pay 3 mana at any point in the game to instantly turn all your creatures into 1/1s with all creature types. I play a lot of tribal synergies in there that wouldn't normally be a thing together. This way it goes infinite or swings for huge damage out of the blue. I'm not saying it's a good deck, but it's so much fun seeing a bunch of junk that wouldn't normally work together, suddenly have such crazy synergy.

hey josh and jimmy i absolutely love the content that the command zone creates, it has given me a better understanding of deck building and what are some of the best cards in the game and now my borborygmos enraged commander is the strongest in my playgroup! beating atraxia and narcet consistently! wubba lubba dub dub i’m pickle rick!!!!!

Soldevi digger. Cheaper CC but no tap. My favorite

I run a Lone Rider in my mono-white Avacyn deck. It combos with a couple of different enchantments and creatures in the deck that either create angels or distribute +1/+1 counter when you gain life.

Now watching this again with keen interest as I plan to make this deck with Cauldron of Eternity in it. Opponent board wipes, creatures go to graveyard and then Cauldron puts them on the bottom of our library. 12 CMC usually puts it out of the reach of " X CMC or less" board wipes too.

Thank you Josh and Jimmy for the end step food talk...now i have to eat a second dinner

Making a deck using grenzo and a arcbound theme and gain control of creature a sac it theme. Arcbound works well with workhorse and making grenzo bigger!

Great job guys. My LGS is super competitive, so obviously I decided to build a Ramos Dragonstorm deck. It felt very good to sit down at a cEDH table and win turn 4 off of a Dragonstorm. The best part, nobody was prepared. They had no clue they needed to stop a dragon onslaught. Could not see Dragonstorm viable in anything else.

Checked partway through this video at the checklist, as I built a very similar version when the first conspiracy came out. (Namely, was happy someone else ran clone shell) But I have a very important question, that may be addressed later in the video,but still... WHY ISN'T JAR OF EYEBALLS IN THIS LIST? It's not hard to kill stuff off in a grenzo deck, and is somewhat encouraged. Meaning jar of eyeballs let's you gain some advantage by both grabbing 1 of x cards, and ordering them to the bottom. This has enabled SO many combos, and I feel should be highly considered in any grenzo list.

@KSE828

4 жыл бұрын

Jar of Eyeballs blanks Grenzo. It’s also not even that good.

Summoner's Egg is a good idea too, I once used it to cheat a Lord of the Void into play on turn five in a 1v1 commander game. It was over soon after that.

You guys made me feel like I wanted to eat more after I already just finished eating. Also I was reminded that I needed to work out today. Lastly now I want to play Grenzo as my commander. He sounds pretty fun.

I don't see or hear much about Cascading Cataracts, so I'll say this: it is really good with Urborg and Cabal Coffers. Any 2+ color deck with black and that runs the big black mana combo should run Cascading Cataracts. You're essentially paying one mana to turn 5 of your black mana into something else you might need, it's insane!

This is my Commander deck for years and I don't get tired playing it. COncept of mine is 50 creatures power 2 or less (plus 3/3 Zealous for the combo).

Hello command zone. Just wanted to say a friend introduced me to MTG a few weeks ago and loved the games. But after watching your all videos I really enjoy it more now so you guys have me as a patreon now and I'm excited to give more in future. Your all's game knights rock... Also if anyone can point me towards where to leave a comment on you patreon page that would be awesome

For "To the Listeners": Play Krovikan Rot, Screams from Within & such in Vhati Il-Dal.dec. Where else would/could they go? Golgari Charm also has 1 of its modes (-1/-1) fully upgraded from super-situational to virtual sure-kill. As do any typically ignored effects that can dish out -1/-1 counters in single repeatable doses.

Nothing has ever made me happier then you guys singing at the beginning

Related to cards that are only good in certain decks, I run both Recycle and Null Profusion in my Damia, Sage of Stone deck. I found that there were times when I would end up with 5 or 6 cards in hand that were mostly lands, and I had no reliable way to discard them in order to maximize my Damia draw during my upkeep.

No Ashnod's Altar? Sacrifice a creature, get 2 colorless mana, use it to activate Epitaph Golem

I have my own Grenzo deck but only have a couple of those bottom fixing cards in it. I like to gamble, keeps the game interesting for everyone.

To answer your question about a deck that uses cards that arent usually played, I got a Zada deck that uses Rile, Crimson whisps and buff spells (tita's strength, invigorrated rampage for the trample ect.) at instant speed, and its really fun to see people double take at my cards and "wtf" in their heads. Price of glory, Brightstone ritual, Koth, primal amulet, past in flames... good times.

One of my favorite cards of all time is Phyrexian Tyranny. I was happy to use it in my Nekusar deck and it's very fun, even though it affects me sometimes :)

Friend of mine has a Phenax deck. Eater of the dead is a super-weird card with an untap ability, but it goes infinite with phenax, as long as there's enough creatures in people's decks.

Unspeakable Symbol feels like it would be a home run in this deck. It gives you the option to make Grenzo bigger without paying more for it. It can also recharge Workhorse. For my unusual card: I really like Purgatory. It’s basically a poor man’s Athreos.

Oh Man! It just hit me.....Clone Shell imprinting Master of Cruelties. *runs off to make space in Alesha deck*

I have a cleric/human tribal deck with Tymna and Ravos as commanders. I found a card called Edgewalker and it is an absolut powerhouse in that deck. You can play it on turn 3 and get both of your commanders out turn 4 because of the cost reduction Edgewalker brings.

Epitaph Golem, Grenzo, workhorse and Heartstone is an infinite mana combo, since it makes both golem and grenzo only cost 1.

@trilja6665

2 жыл бұрын

Swap out heart stone with zulaport cutthroat and it's a win too!

My fave Commander right now. Tons of recursion and tucking things from graveyard to the bottom. Also ton of scrying. Thrumming stone is insane in this deck. I run goblin bombardment/impact Tremors and some of the goblins that come in make more goblins. Gets pretty nasty. Obviously sac outlets are great. If the game is taking too long and I have impact Tremors or goblin bombardment I just use doomsday and from bottom to top put Anger, Goblin Marshal, Siege gang commander, krenko, chancellor of the forge. Super fun deck. P.s. Braid of fire is nutters

I run Grenzo in my Alesha, Who Smiles at Death deck.

I have a Maralan the Mornsong deck. Super fun to play, with all kinds of fun black cards.

BEST OPENING EVER!!! I was dying! you guys should sing just for fun! I'd watch that lol

Great Grenzo deck tech! I love commanders that work in non traditional ways. Jimmy getting the gains! Looking good dude! It's funny you mentioned Bonchon chicken cause my LGS is right next door to Bonchon! If you ever come to Sunnyvale in the South Bay check out Comic Collector's Shop. There's a Bonchon and a Share Tea right there!

Thanks for the motivation in the end step

Sweet, I love value of meek creatures. Did you also consider Panharmonicon? I see quite a few ETBs here and would add the endless mana to that Workhorse combo.

I have found Cream of the Crop to be fantastic in mayael, especially when getting multiple activations a round.

I love you guys , im puttin my 2 Grenzos into my Wort edh right now while watchin this

I play Blighted Bat in my Mairsil, the pretender deck. Good consistent haste enabler.

Ay throwback to when I Madcap Experiment and get a Hangarback Walker after 3 cards two games in a row. What happened: Spend Four mana to bolt myself and mill myself for three.

Solitary Confinement is a weird card I love to use in Queen Marchesa. With the extra cards I draw with the Monarchy it counters the drawback and it means that no one can take the monarchy from me.

Your talk about Bonchon made me hungry XD

Lloved the deck tech. Please do more of them and add me to the drawing!

I miss Goblin Welder in your deck. Not only can it get rid of obnoxious artifacts your opponents control, it can also dig up your more key artifacts from the graveyard, in exchange for a superfluous mana rock mid-to-late game. I also prefer Viashino Heretic above Tuktuk Scrapper: it doesn't get nerfed by Torpor Orb.

What Commander do I have that uses otherwise worthless cards? Does my Atraxa thallid/saproling deck count?

If/when you guys do a full length Brawl video, can you please include a modified deck template for that format? The first thing that I have noticed is that the format is currently very light on mass removal, so scaling that down directly from the Commander template may not be possible...

I called braid of fire being in the deck before you mentioned it. Such a good card in this deck

I play some cards in my Roon deck that wouldn't fit in too many other decks other than to create some chaos. Perplexing Chimera comes to mind, with Rune o other blink effects you can get a lock on which spells come into play and who/what they target. Stonehorn Dignitary as well for on going protection. Gilded drake gets silly and Mistmeadow Witch doesn't seem so over priced.

this is a nice deck and something i hope yall find interesting is i'm working on a Teysa envoy of ghosts deck where i make my opponents attack me and as a result their board will be divided by the the number of creatures basically any lands you have artifacts enchantments and planeswalkers are gone

I wanted to do a Grenzo deck for a long time. My initial plan was to put it in my Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck for the X in Grenzo's cost but then I started to buy cards to make him a different commander, but at the end I didn't find time to it, many other commander ideas rolling. Maybe I could put it in my Alesha, Who Smiles at Death deck, all the creatures there have power 2 anyway. I love to make decks out of typically unusable cards, that's my thing (therefore I dislike overpowered cards that are just goodstuff by themselves). The most obscure card I run would be Gaze of Pain in my Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons deck to capitalize in the snakes' deathtouch.

26:30 You can’t tap all your lands in response if it enters off grenzo though. Just thought I’d mention it.

Opal Palace is such a great card in this deck - should've been in here.

My favorite bad card EDH is my Mathas deck that could almost qualify as board wipe tribal, but it plays the card Bounty hunter which has a very strange interaction with Mathas as they both use bounty counters and bounty hunter becomes a repeatable murder stick. Additionally Kulrath knight plays really well because bounty counters now act like bribery counters turning your opponents dudes into permanents that you can trade a spell or spells into in order to draw cards.

I play Horobi, Death’s Wail. Ordered most of the cards from CardKingdom/commandzone ;-) for $14. Such classics as Squee’s Toy, Eyeblight Assassin, Xenic Poltergeist, etc... With Horobi out, all those just read “tap, destroy target creature” Wincon is Yahenni or Malakir Cullblade w/ Consecrated by Blood + Lashwrithe. Since sacrificing is a cost (not targeting) Yahenni CAN gain indestructible and equip/enchant even with Horobi out. Cullblade has to be equipped before Horobi is cast.

Josh you could "Soldevi Digger {2}" as a optional card considering its downside.

I really like Canal Dredger over the other two options (though I run all 3). Its just cheaper.

Sedris plays both Sundial of the Infinite and Teferi's veil, and I love that.

I love running Rosheen, can build a competitive X marks the spot deck for under $50. Only cards with X in their CMC or text.

I have a fun deck that is all odd stuff that doesnt really go other places. Its not the strongest but Animar is the commander and 100% of the spells are spirit or arcane. It gets a lot of value off of cards like Haru-Oona, Skyfire Kirin, and Petalmane Baku. Also, it's super budget.

@simoncss1

6 жыл бұрын

How's about Riku in place of Animar at the helm? He gives more bang for the buck for Spirits that already bring value & doubling up on Arcane spells with Spliced-on ability sounds really cool

@devlinbowman5251

6 жыл бұрын

Simon Choo Sze Shiong I will try that. I went with Animar because most effects of spirit creatures are not worth the mana costs and Animar reduces most of the expensive ones drastically. I save on the lack of sufficient ramp in the deck with Animar since it is primarily creature based. If I were to splice an arcane spell and pay Riku's additional cost to copy that spell the value he gives would commonly be outweighed by the cost being in the 8 and above range. One thing I did consider was making space for some general value and running cards like Riku and Mizzix in the deck but it breaks the theme a little bit. Thanks for the suggestion!

My deck is centralized around ashnods altar and creatures like beetleback chief and siege gang so one activation usually = 3 with a copy of mirror March for good measure I usually end up winning with munitions expert copying itself, if it doesn’t I sacrifice it and then shove it on the bottom and try again

This deck needs more Kaboom! Also, where is Flayer of the Hatebound? The cards you get from Grenzo hit the graveyard first, so when combined with Flayer you get to sling tons of damage. Honestly, these cards are sooooo good for this deck though.

I run Zedruu and cards like Steel Golem, Rust Elemental, and Bronze Bombshell don't show up in many other decks.

Definitely my deck with some of the weirdest cards is my Maelstrom Wanderer Chaos deck. Cards like knowledge pool, omen machine, possibility storm, ect. are only good with a chaos strategy. The deck doesn't necessarily want to win, but instead wants to make the game more interesting/difficult/fun for everyone else.

I made a goblin Grenzo deck. One mana echoes and you can potentially spill your entire deck of goblins on the board.

Salvage station combo plays a ton of weird cards, since salvage station is a weird card in itself. I also want to know your guys idea for an aristocrats deck in edh. I am trying to make one helmed by Queen Marchesa, using a slight pillowfort defense in Teysa and Ghostly Prison. The biggest issue I seem to have is consistent early damage. I can get token producers online, but can't seem to do anything but stall until I get purphuros or outpost siege, and blood artist is typically instant removed...

Loving the deck tech videos

I don;t have any unique commanders but here are some underused/undervalued cards. If I can I try to put Possibility Storm into all my red decks. the ability to disrupt my opponents plans is strong. Goblin Spymaster is in my Jhoira deck.. If forces them to get creative with their goblin token or swing out and since you don;t have to swing out it encourages opponents to attack elsewhere. For blue decks that generate lots of mana, Mindshrieker is absolutely wonderful as it pumps itself up big and you can mill yourself or your opponent while doing it. Flying gives it evasion too. Aetherize is a card I seem to hold forever and rarely play as Cyclonic Rift and others I play first but can be wreck an entire opponent when I finally do. It is why you never swing out if you are ever playing a blue deck. I am not sure how many blue decks play this card. Followed Footsteps costs five to play but it abuses etb effects or another way to cheat high mana cost creatures onto the battlefield. For example you cheat a non-legandary eldrazi on the field then get another each turn. Tap effects like Achivist or fatestitcher become insane when you get multiple copies of them on the battlefield, and finally you can also enchant an opponents creature. Enchanting an opponents creature is slow and odds are you won't get the token. However it creates a very large incentive for the other opponents to remove that creature. When multiple copies of legandary creatures are on the battlefield that have punitive effects on multiple opponents and it can be fixed by removing one creature, that creature has a tendency to die. It forces your opponets to do something about the threat it kills one card and forces another to use a card as well preventing card advantage from one of your opponents. There have also been situations when the player with the enchanted creature kills his own creature because of it as well. If you actually get a token, well that's gravy. It is just a sick card.

The first thing I think of when I see this deck is Mistveil Plains and Bow of Nylea. Wait.

@twoneraps3352

4 жыл бұрын

see, why tf does wizards do this

Awesome video. I am building a Grenzo's deck, with some more goblin options like Wort and some others... do you think that can be a good choice?

Great deck tech. I love using more obscure cards in my decks just to see my opponents go "What?". My Jolrael, Empress of Beasts deck is chalk full of those types of cards. I have a question though. You have a lot of ETB type effects yet you do not run Panharmonicon or Strionic Resonator. Is that personal preference or do you just feel that those cards aren't worth inclusion?

i like grenzo. very fun cards to play. you should add mindclaw shaman, and gonti. also i run 12 relentless rats, i feel josh version is still competitive in a way because of all his removal and tutors. i still feel grenzo is good enough without tutors. i find myself still winning because i will be able to have fun in the beginning but out of nowhere (if im allowed to have the odd cards like epitath golem to stay around) i can produce multiple rats out of nowhere at an end step and then attack with six 7/7 rats

To the Listeners: I play Grinning Totem in my Lazav deck. First its fun that everybody every time starts to read it, and trying to understand it. Then it works really well with Lazav's ability. I tutor my opps deck for the best creature, refuse to cast it, and when it goes to the graveyard Lazav copies it. Fun, fits the theme, and couldnt imagine using it anywhere else :)

it's kinda funny the last 2 edh decks I've built, someone on game knights has played that commander, I built neheb back around christmas and jimmy plays a neheb deck on the next game knights, then in feburary I built a grenzo dw deck and josh played a grenzo deck on the last game knights

Definitely the last two episodes, I've noticed Jimmys arms getting a little bigger. I've started working out a lot more since the beginning of the year as well.

"Down under" should have been the song

@AntonHellsten

4 жыл бұрын

Zachary Theoharidis nice

This deck inspires me to change my Marsil deck into a Grenzo secret commander deck so that I'd have access to blue for training grounds and Timestream combo

@JackThrowerofPrinnys

6 жыл бұрын

Max Vye grenzo is the mvp in my marisil artifact deck. You can even miss with his ability and its still useful for filling your graveyard.

Grenzo is one of my favorite commanders and my favorite enchantments to play is Carnival of Souls, you lose 1 life and get 1 mana whenever a creature enters. More creatures played means more Grenzo activations, means more creatures played means...

I know this video is about grenzo as a commander, but i have him in my mairsil deck, mairsil is a 4 mana 4/4, so he is on the same rate as grenzo, but mairsil's possible evasion shenanigans means you rarely pay commander tax, so grenzo's activated ability is always cheap and hits average creature stats;(edit) at mairsil's drawback of only being able to grenzo once(twice or so with shenanigans) each turn