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Fascinating. I discovered Ramajunan, Cantor and Euler... (not their Maths but their bio) 👌

Excellent.... thanks 🙏.

I would encourage everyone here to watch BBC's Dangerous Knowledge. It's good to see Gregory Chaitin again!

The essence of mathematics is LOGICS, so we should find out "where the hell has logics come from!!"?

@longcastle4863

6 ай бұрын

I think logic came from our experience of cause and effect in the environment around us-throughout the course of our evolution. Which means, if this is the case, that many other animals probably use logic as well.

The paradox discovered by Cantor that the set of all subsets of the set of everything is bigger than the set of everything can also be explained philosophically. In the realm of pure ideas, if we divide the set into subsets, we will establish differences between them; difference is the absence of something in a given thing, i.e. is nothing; nothing is something. Thus, we have got an additional thing with which the set of subsets is bigger than the initial set. This is similar to one of Zeno's paradoxes. Zeno, as a representative of the Eleatic school, did not recognise nothing as being, contrary to Hegel. In the realm of pure ideas, the set of all subsets of the set can be bigger than the set.

He certainly makes some great arguments, even though he didn’t really address the question: Is mathematics eternal? The way I see it, if there are an infinite number of parallel universes out there, then chances are that each one might obey a different laws of physics and hence a completely different underlying mathematical reality. So what might be eternal are an infinite number of distinct mathematical eternal’s (or maybe not). I think ultimately we are back at our favorite Heideggerian question, the fundamental question of metaphysics: “Why is there something, why is there anything at all [[and that certainly includes the laws of nature and mathematics]] rather than Nothing? “

@maxpower252

6 ай бұрын

That question was not addressed to him, at least not on this extract.

@David.C.Velasquez

6 ай бұрын

Even if true 'Nothing' were a logical possibility, it would have a probability equal to 1/infinity... yet, by definition, could never be observed, so does it even qualify conceptually?

@NothingMaster

6 ай бұрын

@@David.C.Velasquez I have to be careful here, because words could easily get in the way, but the sort of Nothing that we’re talking about is not ‘possible’ in the presence of Being/beings (be it parallel universes etc.) In your example you essentially nullified a parallel universe (out of a potentially infinite number of them) using the notion of Nothing. But if it conceptually helps you think of it this way: Nothing nullifies the whole of Being, and not just beings, or a selected number of them. That is what is implied by: “ Why is there something, why is there anything at all, rather than Nothing.”

Nature is essentially relational, dynamical, and eternal . It is about process governed by logical constraint. When reduced to fundamentals, nature becomes dynamical mathematical relationships. Since nature is eternal, mathematics is eternal, and knowledge is always incomplete.

@Antonio-cr2ix

6 ай бұрын

One can agree but you have to consider that the logical constraint are about the model for inquiring nature, not nature herself. To describe the reality of nature, extend the conseguences of the quantitative description - as Math is- that we get in touch with, either artificial or immanent, it is really a step forward. This have of course to do within a discrete or continue interpretacion of physical world.

Awareness is known by awareness alone.

Another great interview. At times, I feel sorry for myself, as I can only view maths as a tool to be used in understanding physical reality. This man's worship of maths is seductive, but--I fear--well out of the reach of my understanding.

Is math the language of causation? Just a means to list sequences? In this generation of computer science, of cybertropic discovery, it seems so. It's refreshing to hear that it may be more.

Recently most of your interviews bring me to the same assertion "artificial intelligence!" It would require representatives of multiple disciplines, just to define the parameters, then let it loose on all the data! ⚡⚡⚡

There's no contradiction in Cantor's set theory. He simply thought that all and only sets which do not lead to contradiction exist. He did not provide any operative criterion of set existence.

by separating the nature of infinity from nature itself, Cantor seems to jump on Plato's wagon, where forms are considered to have an independent existence... to bad neither of them is not here to elaborate on their understandings...

@S3RAVA3LM

6 ай бұрын

Good day, sir. It's like looking into the mirror and seeing yourself. Yourself however is the true 'you', and the mirror holding the reflection is the one cloak in matter. They speak of matter as if it were a mirror. I don't believe it's entirely independent, but a reflection. I have to go back to Plato, but this time, study the Thomas Taylor translation. I have the Hackett edition.

@jklep523

6 ай бұрын

Your comment makes me ask if in the title of this video the word “eternal” *is* asking eternal in the Platonic sense. One of the most eternal questions we’ve been asking ourselves for the term of our own term of eternity so far. I wonder if our reason will ever evolve to find the answer?

@r2c3

6 ай бұрын

@@S3RAVA3LM reflection or a photograph with an acceptable resolution of the past object being reflected into the presence... the same as a river, every object flows through time and its presence/existence is captured only by stepping into its path... the book also captures a particular essence of the past, the same as the mirror but with a different type of reflection... always a pleasure S3R

@r2c3

6 ай бұрын

@@jklep523 as part of the whole, a fraction has it's own share of eternity embedded into a transitional abstraction... both the fraction and the abstraction are, somehow and for some reason, morphed into a particular temporal unit...

@jklep523

6 ай бұрын

@@r2c3 the fraction seems to be our instantaneous perception of our own time and place in the great fractal of being, using fractal as a metaphor much like the Tao, for the far deeper and intricate underlying function that gives existence apparent emergence. This is the question Mr. Chaitin exudes upon with such passion! What is the source of the fountain? It seems the question that draws most who follow this channel together here. Plato didn’t know; nor Kant, nor Cantor! Were humanity ever to learn the answer to this deepest question we know to ask, would it be an end or a beginning- or perhaps just another flash of the jewel as she sparkles?

Mathematics Emerge from intrinsic of each emergence.

If the universe itself is a mathematical concept that just exists because of these arguments, then it does not need a creator as well. I do not say that I know how exactly the universe is just a mathematical concept, but the strong relation between physical laws and mathematics at least suggests this. But even if so: How does mathematics come across / generate / yield to feelings, pain, joy, consciousness? Will I be reborn in all eternity as different instances of mathematical relations in different mathematical universes as a possible life form? I tend to say, I'd rather not....

Maldacena and now Chaitin. Kuhn needs to interview Messi and he will complete the Argentine trifecta 😂

Ramanujan was a pure maths being from the gods. Also its pronounced .. RUM AN A JAN. NOT. RAMA NUUUJAN.

Reality is based on relations, is mathematics not a language about relations.

@r2c3

6 ай бұрын

also a mean of giving rise to such relations, maybe...

Mathematics are not eternal as they are bound by sense and intellectualisation of sense. Senses, and all matter in existence are relative to sense perception, hence maths are not eternal but contextually bound to the given space and time, and the understanding of that specific space and time.

@simonhibbs887

6 ай бұрын

The thing is we can mathematically describe spacetimes and universes that do not correspond to this universe, so in that sense mathematics is not bound to this specific space and time.

@AlOfNorway

6 ай бұрын

@@simonhibbs887 but mathematics is bound by consciousness, and is relative to sense perception. If sense perception changes, so does the math and all of reality. What we describe now, is the conceptualisation and intellectualisation of sense stimuli into quantity. And we are conditioned by our body’s ability to conceptualise sense. If our body’s ability to conceptualise sense changes, so does the math. So in other words, it’s all relative and not eternal. Yes, sure we can describe it now with our conditioned perception and cognition making up our understanding, but that is bound to this specific space and time given that it is how far our understanding has come.

@abelincoln8885

6 ай бұрын

The Universe, .... space, time, Laws of nature, matter, energy .... atoms, elements, compounds, molecules, ... quantum particles, fields, forces ... Engineering, Medicine, Sciences ... and Mathematics ... are NATURAL Functions .... with purpose, processes, properties, & design which are INFORMATION that all Functions possess to exist & to function. And the Information ... from the Universe... is an abstract construct ... that can only come form the Mind of ... a timeless, infinite, nonphysical unnatural intelligence (God). The Mind of an intelligence must be Unnatural ( spirit) ... therefore the mind of Man ( a natural intelligence) is unnatural (body) & natural (soul) ... designed by God ... to give Man freewill, nature, thought, intellect, memory, senses, feelings and consciousness of the natural or unnatural. Science fully supports God "deliberately' creating Man ... in His image ... with a puny body & soul .. knowing Adam & Eve will sin and bring death to all of Creation ... and ... Issac is not Abraham's only begotten Son. God clearly stated from the beginning ... the punishment for sin ... is death ( body & soul). Do the maths. ... why God create Mankind with a puny body & soul, and did not punish Adam & Eve immediately with death (body & soul) when they sinned ... and .... had the Jews do Temple sacrifices which are only SYMBOLIC can not atone for sin ... until 70 AD. Maths is just another tool from a natural intelligence ... to describe & explain ... natural phenomena .. of a natural system called the Universe ... clearly made by a timeless, infinite, nonphysical Unnatural intelligence.

I suppose it might depend upon how your maths treat infinities..? 😅 Go Bluejays!!

Conciousness-Divine Grace - Math … that makes sense why we can’t figure them out, they’re the same thing. 😂

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Cantor isn't the mind of god, Ramanujan is, Goddess Namagiri also known as Laxshmi/Saraswati consort of God Vishnu taught mathematics to an untrained mind, teaching him the mathematical methods, so he could prove difficult results and formulas, directly related to physical problems that had yet to surface, such as genetics, black holes and partitions, discovered much later. Implying divine design to teach humans with the mathematics of god's mind, Namagiri is the goddess of knowledge and culture.

What's the matter you guys, do you not like to meditate?

its a silly question i think. we do not yet know enough about the universe. if the universe turns out to be eternal, then it makes perfect sense that mathematics should also follow. if however the universe is finite, then mathematics should not be eternal. its an entertaining conversation, but beyond being entertaining, i think its a subject where the chicken is put before the egg.

Sets aren't real things, they don't have to conform to reality. Subsets even more so.

Yaeh, Mathematic is Eternal, Life is Eternal, Intelligence is Eternal, (* the Perspective-Princip is Eternal. Intelligence means Logic and Order, Perspective-Princip means, all Relations Relationship. Perspective-Princip + Intelligence = Mathematic. (* Intelligence can Never be artificial)

At the moment I have two feet and ten toes. But when this body is cremated, it will have none. None is eternal.

Eternety math are fallacies. Please try again showing in math proceendings. Infinity math are unsolving math paradoxe so Far .

@simonhibbs887

6 ай бұрын

Infinities are conceptually crucial to many mathematical proofs. They have been incredibly valuable to solve many mathematical paradoxes, and as intermediate concepts in many practical fields of engineering and analysis to help us calculate finite values. For example in integral calculus.

@James-ll3jb

6 ай бұрын

Learn English or shut up😅

@James-ll3jb

6 ай бұрын

​@@simonhibbs887Damn straight Hibbs!😅

@melgross

6 ай бұрын

That’s doesn’t make any sense.

@James-ll3jb

6 ай бұрын

@@melgross No its reely dont lol

Ramanajan was the greatest mathematician

Arithmetics is what Pythagoreans were all about. Mathematics: we are trying to mimic That, so to understand That. And my thoughts lead me to believe that mathematicians have forgotten That, and fell in love with their own mind and equations.

@tomjackson7755

6 ай бұрын

Your thoughts have lead to to believe that science is the same thing as theology. Your thoughts cannot be trusted. SMH

How old is this one? Anyway Math. What are you going to do? The universe is not a number.

How can something binary be eternal.?

No, math is part reality and part theory. Results and discovery will change math.

The Answer is pretty simple -Anything , be it mathematics or The laws of mathematics are not eternal, because they themselves are bound by time and space. Has anybody discovered mathematics that works without time and space yet? The reason we theorize too many answers is none but *unwillingness to accept A LAW GIVER* . The next question can be, " Who then is this LAW GIVER?" But I think we're too proud not to ask that.

@NotNecessarily-ip4vc

6 ай бұрын

@Merih98614 The number zero is outside of space and time. Zero's geometric counterpart zero-dimensional space is neither a spatial (1D, 2D, 3D) or temporal (4D) dimension. 0D is timeless.

Mathematics is a human belief system based on axioms and the human belief that truth has meaning. I belief that there is nothing long lasting about humans and their truth and axioms.

@odonnelly46

6 ай бұрын

But mathematical "truths" would still exist even if man goes extinct.

@bendunselman

6 ай бұрын

@@odonnelly46 IMHO truth only lives and only has meaning in the mind of a human. Or put the other way around I see no way how truth can exist outside a human because the concept of existence only exists in the mind of a human.

Mathematics proof the doomsday...after counting all exploitation huma did to the earth & nature

All creation and science are irrational. Based on random activity - slight schizophrenia.

NO ...NOT AT ALL..

Mathematics and science are not the same thing

Corrupting youth… wait I thought that was Socrates

@S3RAVA3LM

6 ай бұрын

Can we read the Sophist next? Pls, pls, pls

False Theology, Mathematics and Physics: (knowing Good; functions) 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are the exact same character. 2. 0 is not-necessary and 1 is necessary (Newton calculus). 3. 0D is not-necessary and 1D is necessary (Newton physics). True Theology, Mathematics and Physics: (knowing Good from Evil; relations defined by constraints) 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are polar opposite characters. 2. 0 is necessary and 1 is not-necessary (Leibniz calculus). 3. 0D is necessary and 1D is not-necessary (Leibniz physics). The Church's interpretation of the Bible (where the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are the exact same character) has near 70,000 contradictions and requires heavy apologetics. Know how to remove all those contradictions (most directly but some indirectly)? Consider that the Genesis 1 character is the good guy and the Genesis 2 character is the bad guy. Elohim from Genesis 1 is a title. Yahweh Elohim (lit. Firstname Middlename) from Genesis 2 is a name faking like its a name and a title. Amos 5 Names of God Bible 27 I will send you into exile beyond Damascus, says Yahweh, whose name is Elohe Tsebaoth. Amos 5 King James Version 27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts. In the New Testament: Christ is a title. Jesus Christ (lit. Firstname Middlename) is a name faking like it's a name and a title. In the Quran: Allah is a name, not a title (Yahweh Elohim from Genesis 2 has 99 names in Islam). Contradictions are man-made errors. If considering that the character who continually tries to fake like his names are titles is the usurper/deciever removes the vast majority of the contradictions isn't that the truth? God has titles (necessary) and the Devil has names (not-necessary). Titles can't die. Names die. Zero is the most important number in mathematics and is both a real and an imaginary number with a horizon through it. It's geometric counterpart zero-dimensional space is the most important dimension in physics and is both a real and an imaginary dimension with an event horizon through it. Quarks are zero-dimensional color-charged electricity and the Monad is the zero-dimensional space binding our quarks together with the strong force; the hue-monad (or soul). Read Leibniz's Monadology 📖. Black holes are ten-dimensional: Zero is the only number with a horizon through it. Zero-dimensional space is the only dimension with an event horizon through it. So, has to include a 0. Got it. 0 and 10 are the first two times we encounter zero in the natural number system (1-9 are nonzero numbers). Their geometric counterparts 0D (quantum) and 10D (cosmological) would then be the event horizon boundaries of this side of the mirror universe.

I think the question answered itself, eternity is a mathematical construct. So, yes. It is.

@Robert_McGarry_Poems

6 ай бұрын

Oh, you have observed eternity? Nice you meet you highlander...

There could be alien mathematics that don't use numbers at all. Perhaps sounds, visuals and tactile sensations.

@odonnelly46

6 ай бұрын

Yes, but the mathematical truths would still be the same. A prime number is a prime number is a prime number, no matter how beings express that fact.

Maths can't be eternal. Its a human made construct. When humans disappear, so does maths. Other universe lifeforms may have an entirely different way of doing calculations. They might not know what maths is!!

The number 3 had to be the first thing in existence, however that's not precisely accurate. this man has no clue, I am the one the world has been waiting for , I'm going to explain.

Math is eternal because it comes from the Eternal Mind of God or the Logos. Wigner talked about “The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics.” Einstein said,”The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it’s so comprehensible.” It’s comprehensible because it comes from the Logos that became flesh and walked the earth as Jesus Christ. We have the breath of life from God so we comprehend these self evident truths of mathematics. The Bible says, the Word of God FRAMED or put in place the foundations of the universe which is seen in mathematics. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

To know Christ is eternal life. (John 17:3) God is new and present. The reason for man's lives for eternity is to know God. Mankind's cannot know the omniscient God while they are in a time zone on planet earth, so God decides to be known by humans in eternity. because God is big, we don’t know him. Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out. ( Job 36:26)

People are funny. Everyone on KZread is a math professor... But this math professor isn't!

@S3RAVA3LM

6 ай бұрын

True. One my teachers taught: if you want to be a fighter, then you have to fight. Start somewheres, and with devotion and commitment, you will achieve.

Mathematics is simply a function ... describe & explain natural phenomena ( functions) ... as abstractions .. expressed as symbols & texts .. in specific notations & equations (Functions). The Function, intelligence, Mind & Information .... Categories ... prove everything is a Natural Functions ... with purpose, properties, processes, & design .. which are information that every Function possesses to exist & function ... and therefore can only come from the Mind of an Inteligence. The Universe ... is composed of ... space, time, Laws of Nature, matter & energy .. which are Functions with information ... and can only originate from the Mind of ... a timeless, infinite, nonphysical & unnatural Intelligence ( God). The Mind of an Intelligence is Unnatural (spirit) therefore the Mind of Man ( a natural intelligence) is natural (body) & unnatural (soul). Science is a function ... made by Man (function) ... to explain natural phenomena(functions) basd on fixed laws of Nature (functions) ... and completely supports God creating Man in His likeness with a body & soul ... for a reason/purpose. And God always existed ( infinite/timeless) ... as the Mind of the Intelligence ( Spirit).

Rambling gibberich. Cantor never links his infinity set to God. Guys doesnt understand cantor Math infinity. When guys says know transcendently infinity he ignores cantor Math. He abuse in his pedantic keep out Mat seriously.

@simonhibbs887

6 ай бұрын

Cantor explicitly linked the concept of the infinite in mathematics with god, he discussed this in the introduction to "Grundlagen einer allgemeinen Mannigfaltigkeitslehre", and also credited his work on trasnfinite numbers to direct divine inspiration.

@Maxwell-mv9rx

6 ай бұрын

@@simonhibbs887 Cantor Divine inspiration cover up his mental health problems. If he keep out his Divine inspiration and mental health problems maybe his certainly figure out infinity number solutions.

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@hotdaniel_xxx

6 ай бұрын

There is no need for that hypothesis

@michelangelope830

6 ай бұрын

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its a silly question i think. we do not yet know enough about the universe. if the universe turns out to be eternal, then it makes perfect sense that mathematics should also follow. if however the universe is finite, then mathematics should not be eternal. its an entertaining conversation, but beyond being entertaining, i think its a subject where the chicken is put before the egg.

The number 3 had to be the first thing in existence, however that's not precisely accurate. this man has no clue, I am the one the world has been waiting for , I'm going to explain.