Moral of the story: there are no shortcuts.

Didonato should join a choir of cats that chill in my neighborhood.

2:50 Can you imagine Callas or Corelli doing that before going on stage and sing.🤣🤣🤣

@vicm5277

2 жыл бұрын

Del Monaco always did the ”witch laugh” before every single performance, though. 100% true.. not.

@armandosanchez4978

2 жыл бұрын

@@vicm5277 Did it had any effect on his voice? Certanly it could have been psychological, just to relax before a performance.

@vicm5277

2 жыл бұрын

@@armandosanchez4978 I was just being silly :) Id rather not think about what that would have done to his voice but I think you have a good point about the psychological effect! Definitly worth trying for that sake.

@rapsodie1211

Жыл бұрын

RIP bel canto and verismo

@laprimmadonna2341

11 ай бұрын

@@rapsodie1211lamentablemente es verdad lo que dices. Saludos cordiales

Everardi said:” i don’t care, how you breath-just sing well!”

@mariofilippeschi4855

3 жыл бұрын

WTF is that?

@RadamesAida2Operalovers

3 жыл бұрын

@@mariofilippeschi4855 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Everardi

@mariofilippeschi4855

3 жыл бұрын

@@RadamesAida2Operalovers i misunderstand the meaning.

None of this is mentioned in Garcia's Hints on Singing.....Perhaps the glottal fry after 6min - but only momentarily. Not quite sure this video is labeled correctly.

Hello, there. Thank you for your channel, sir, maestro. I've been learning opera technique by myself through Franco Tenelli's channel for a couple years here and there, but nothing too serious. I've never really had real lessons (I guess 1 month doesn't count.) So it's been 7 years that I had started singing as a hobby (sorry if I have conjugated the verbs wrong, I am not native). But I love it so much and I really like my voice. However, I don't discard the possibility that I may sing in an ugly way that opposes Bel Canto. I just want to sing beautifully and have good taste. My ex-teacher (during the 1 month) was impressed by the instrument I had after a few vocalise sessions, for someone that never had a particular in-person teacher and he said I had potential to try a professional career. I don't think he would lie to me, idk. Maybe his taste might not be the best? (If he read my assumptions I'm afraid he would feel disrespected, sorry for the assumptions, teacher). I've decided to quit because at the time I wasn't financially well to pay for lessons and I didn't have the knowledge to evaluate if he was a good teacher or not, so I thought to myself "Well, maybe I should keep learning conservatively by myself -while saving money, hehe - from remote teachers that don't know that I am their student." (like Franco, which I respect a lot, and you, sir.) So I kept this desire and possibility of singing professionally inside my heart, assuming that what he said was objectively true and realistic. I can't know, for sure, unless I get more confirmation from different opera singers and appreciators, but I think it's better to have a dream that will make me do more effort than otherwise. I still maintain this hidden in me, until I know more about what is true beautiful opera singing and how can I learn it, if I can indeed pursue a professional career, be it here or in Europe. What do you think is a good beginner book to at least get the fundamental theory of singing and help with the practice? What do you think about about Garcia's books like Hints on Singing and the Complete Treatise? Are they good for beginners? Are there other alternatives? Or maybe are there any other more modern versions that takes Manuel's principles, bel canto, other authors, etc, and put it together with the updated knowledge we have about anatomy and the physiology of the voice? Do you sir know any other channels as well? The ones I know similar to yours is Mr. Franco Tenneli's channel and Phantom of the Opera (Mrs. Ziazan's channel)

Isabel Leonard, the weird vocal fry example lady, is now teaching at Juilliard. It only gets worse from here.

@Yves75018

3 ай бұрын

Vocal Fry is an interesting approach to generating sound where it should begin. In the larynx and not in the mask for example. The tenor Gianluca Terranova explains it very well in his videos. m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmWc0ZRtc6Tgn9I.html

I just watched this clip and am left totally confused. So, are the suggestions by the voice teachers good or bad? The quote at the end from Garcia sounds like a disclaimer.

Are you explicitly teaching people to sing nasal?

@geminikid1617

Ай бұрын

??? No. Exactly the opposite. Joyce Didonato is teaching this. That was an example of what not to do. Did you watch the whole video to the end to get the proper context? I feel like if you did, it would clarify what General’s intentions are in regards to the voice.

@DiomedesDioscuro

Ай бұрын

​@@geminikid1617And the following teacher as well, right? I have the impression the video is confusing and doesn't make clear what it's recommending and what it's criticizing.

Well, as someone with very scarce knowledge on proper singing, I am very confused. I thought Garcia and all his coup de la glotte thing were a good contribution to vocal pedagogy, after all it seems he was the first to come up with scientific observation and factual approach. I wonder, asides from looking at efficient usages of anatomy , where should one look for proper technique?

Ce que raconte DiDonato est en parti intéressant tout de même, si l'on part de l'idée que la gorge doit être ouverte, physiologiquement, c'est le pharynx qui ne se limite pas à la partie bucco-pharyngé mais qui va plus loin vers le haut et l'arrière. Cela sous-entend que tout l'air ne part pas vers l'avant directement mais qu'il y a un partage et qu'on n'ouvre bel et bien le passage vélo-pharyngé, certains diront que c'est chanter dans le nez et que c'est interdit sauf que quand on fait cela, si l'on peint son nez on s'aperçoit que l'air n'est pas arrêté ni le son coupé donc cela veut dire qu'il se passe autre chose. Cela fait des années que j'essaie de comprendre comment concilier plusieurs écoles et on se rend compte que souvent elles disent la même chose avec des termes opposés. Il faut considérer également que le pur bel canto concerne le répertoire baroque, ce qu'on appelle bel canto souvent c'est le répertoire romantique du début du 19e siècle et là il y a déjà une évolution de la technique ensuite les bouches ultra déformé, les mâchoire déboîtées à l'excés et les voyelles trafiquées montre surtout que notre période actuelle et déboussolée. Je me sens très malheureux quand une personne me dit préférer une jeune chanteuse avec une technique contemporaine à un enregistrement de Adelina Patti, la même chose existe pour le piano.

Do you mean that the miserable DiDonato's singing technique is based in Garcia's?

@RadamesAida2Operalovers

3 жыл бұрын

No. I am saying that people try to use useless exercises and tricks that do not work. Garcia was in that mindset and promoted quicker ways to teach. In the end he realised he was wrong. But it was too late. His students and students students adopted some of Garcia's modern type approaches. Whatever they were. Watch my videos I do not promote nasal singing. Look at my Playlists.

@DiomedesDioscuro

3 жыл бұрын

@@RadamesAida2Operalovers Oh, so the idea was that DiDonato's following an "easy" technique that has its origins in Garcia's, and that is doesn't work?

@RadamesAida2Operalovers

3 жыл бұрын

@@DiomedesDioscuro I don't think if anyone knows what Garcia taught. But Di Donato's approach was in the same line of thinking of Garcia before he changed his mind. Not "easy". But quick fixes and approaches based on sensations and over manipulated actions.

@eliascastillorivera7130

3 жыл бұрын

@@RadamesAida2Operalovers I believe that those teachers are actually not so far from what they want to achieve in teaching, but that little distance becomes absolutely the whole difference. They don't have any natural approach, any organic approach, and confuse some stuff that actually produce certain thing that could be well for a good produced vocal tone (the NG as it helps to use less vocal fold mass and keeping the adduction, but that should only be used to teach exactly that, avoiding with the time all its defects, as it lowers the velum and raises the larynx), the fry exercise for the same reason of reducing unnecessary vocal fold mass, and so on. Is like they only go for little things and are never, absolutely never able to see the whole image, they get lost in the details and aren't able to notice that those things have some meaning if interpreted in the whole picture, but integrated into them, as little pieces. But the whole picture, the map, is actually organic. There are so many who manipulate everything, those little things, and never get that map, that one can only find by listening to the historical references we've been left. It's the main way to keep with tradition in singing, instead of reinvent the wheel, and even badly.

@OrpheoCT

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliascastillorivera7130 "Is like they only go for little things and are never, absolutely never able to see the whole image, they get lost in the details" Coudn't have said it better

INTERESTING QUESTION......IF THE MODERN TEACHING METHODS ARE SO SMART......HOW COME I HEARD NO ONE SING GREAT EVER SINCE THE OLD SCHOOL VANISHED IN TIME.........REMEMBER CORELLI.....DEL MONACO .....LAURI VOLPI......GIGLI .....RUFFO.....PONSELLE....CALLAS.....GRANFORTE......ETC

I may be wrong but I think Horatio Connell was a student in lineage of Garcia. At least expanding on his approach. You can hear mr. Connell’s beautiful voice in recording still and it is an amazing sound with all of the the qualities of the old school. Garcia was concerned of making beautiful sound that is healthy for the voice. I don’t think all this n or ng sound has anything to do with what he was teaching. You can make an N sound sure and call it technique but with out the voice being in proper shape you’ll never sing through an aria. You have to take yourself to the vocal gym in the best way. That is what garcia and Connell were trying to expedite. Where you put the sound, be it in the head, nose, chest, or ass, has nothing to do with the quality of the voice itself. How do you get the voice in its best shape? Take a note from Connell and do his master vocal work as written. It’s the best we have for bel canto exercise work and I’d rather sound closer to Connell than any of these circus clowns. His work is in fact the fastest way to a beautiful and functional sound with stamina enough to sing through your rep without people shutting their ears. Working the middle of the voice over and over, for that is the beauty of your sound that you want in all areas.

It’s like they’re getting ready to be in a carnival show.😂 Ugh.

Those demonstrations were straight up embarrassing

😑

This has nothing to do with the Garcia’s singing technique. Completely wrong!

@RadamesAida2Operalovers

2 жыл бұрын

Which part is wrong? I quoted Garcia at the end of the video. I used examples he would call frivolous according to the quote at the end of the video. I do not understand what you are trying to say?.

@rapsodie1211

Жыл бұрын

Misunderstanding because of title of the vidéo, your Share same opinion 😉