Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m46GxKZwoZTUXbg.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: John Danaher is one of the greatest coaches and minds in martial arts history.

@TheChipMcDonald

Жыл бұрын

Never go.... full Joe Rogan.

@jd-ev1bw

Жыл бұрын

Great analysis. Two points about lions though that seemed to be overlooked - 1) lions typically hunt in packs so the generalisation that they can single-handedly take down large prey may be overstated, and 2) it's often not the male lions that hunt but the females, so their application of hunting practice in a combat situation may also be overstated.

@HigherPlanes

Жыл бұрын

In a fight to the death, intelligence doesn't matter. Exhibit A: Tyson vs Einstein

@Desporado6969

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ea6BpZmCidfIabQ.html Quite interesting counter points here

@mikhailsharon4331

Жыл бұрын

This is AMAZING!

Finally after all these years the internet has produced the discussion that addresses the question that it was ultimately created to answer. Thank you, Lex.

@bigmaryhelen

Жыл бұрын

This question was answered over a century ago at brutal circuses put on for gold miners in the US. Grizzlies always won.

@74357175

Жыл бұрын

@@bigmaryhelen which combination of animals?

@user-ic1lo9wh5f

Жыл бұрын

@@bigmaryhelen a polar bear would kill a grizzly easily

@FuriousImp

Жыл бұрын

42

@coreymichael1880

Жыл бұрын

@@bigmaryhelen Brown bears make up the diet of Siberian Tigers in Russia.

Lex fighting harder for the gorilla than the gorilla would for itself.

@scotiacrumpler2824

Жыл бұрын

🤣😂

@zeeshantariq1984

Жыл бұрын

Haha

@29memyselfandi

Жыл бұрын

😅

@MrCmon113

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they're not even in the same league. Gorillas get eaten by leopards.

@mrt445

Жыл бұрын

Lol

Hippo is just sitting over there in the water, as once again one of the most underrated killers on earth.

@LionHeart1989KingOfBeasts

Ай бұрын

Hippo has no dominion on land, Tigers lions and bears do. Which is why they are primarily discussed.

@horismainza7808

Ай бұрын

What is your point?

@apc9714

18 күн бұрын

​@@LionHeart1989KingOfBeasts If it's one against one the African elephant would win against any land animal, but as for fighting it makes more sense to talk about carnivors

@HELMBREAKER47

14 күн бұрын

Orcas…orcas will kill any of these

@solaydbak

9 күн бұрын

⁠from land? Hahaha. Go play somewhere 😂😂😂😂

I love how John instantly answers, "You're f*cked, go for the lion. He'll kill you quick." No hesitation.

@Joshwaheazo

2 ай бұрын

I think a tiger would kill you faster than a lion. A lion would kill a tiger though. Way more endurance and durability.

@ennuiii

2 ай бұрын

​@@Joshwaheazohard disagree, Solo a tiger decimates a lion. Bigger, faster, stronger, more bite force, and better hunting tactics

@Joshwaheazo

2 ай бұрын

@@ennuiii Well it's been done in fucked up circus for miners in the states hundreds of times. Grizzly > Lion > tiger. Grizzly never lost, lion about 70% over the tiger. Don't have to agree it's been a fact for like 2 centuries.

This is the most Joe Rogan conversation a conversation can possibly be, without actually having Joe Rogan.

@Bigbanks589

5 ай бұрын

They had this exact conversation on the joe rogan podcast Grizzly wins all day

@flingalblargen

5 ай бұрын

they even got a bald guy

@horacio-ho3bf

5 ай бұрын

​@@Bigbanks589definitely.....giant claws, teeth, bite force, resistance to injury wins the day....for the most Rogan, useless, and dumb question on the interweb

@Bigbanks589

5 ай бұрын

@horacio-ho3bf lol definitely rogan had a wildlife expert and gorillas are basically useless bc they can't handle predators that see them as prey. Leopards will kill gorillas every now and then even. Grizzlys are Insane, they grow up fighting and boxing other grizzlies, can weigh over an actual Ton

@user-re9fu2ov6u

5 ай бұрын

When animals like these are Healthy . There is recorded on a few occasions a 700 pound male Lion has Killed Grizzlies over 100p pounds . Tiger's have broken Buffalos with one hit and estimated 10,000 pounds of force . No Gorilla's gonna survive a attack from Lion , Tiger , Leopard , Jaguar, ,Puma , Polar Bear, Brown Bear,, Sloth Bear ,, Black Bear. Leave Gorilla's alone... They have been having to survive Man maid wars , Greed . Peaceful animals that deserve peace and relaxation 😀

This could literally go down as a top 5 podcast discussion in the history of podcasts.

@jimmywest2501

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It's amazing.

@tadeuszmullins6352

Жыл бұрын

Just finished watching it and want to watch it again

@egdccorp

Жыл бұрын

Lol 😆

@ernestosandoval7113

Жыл бұрын

What would be the other 4? - DLR @JRE on writing songs has to be there

@1vladbara

Жыл бұрын

without a doubt, without a doubt

Here are some key takeaways from the conversation between Lex Fridman and John Danaher about who would win in a fight between a grizzly bear, silverback gorilla, and lion: - They discuss the importance of several factors like intelligence, weight, strength, bite force, claws, aggression, etc. Danaher argues you can't just rely on intuitions about which is most formidable. - Danaher outlines his framework for evaluating combat effectiveness based on skills, attributes, experience, and specific elements like ability to initiate, disengage, endure fights, and efficiently finish opponents. - He argues gorillas, though strong, have little real combat experience compared to lions who regularly take down very dangerous prey like cape buffalos. Leopards have even been documented killing gorillas. - For lion vs bear, he believes neither could easily kill the other - lions can't strangle bears who can stand up, and bears can't easily pin lions. It would come down to endurance which favors the bear, but lions are less risk-averse. - In a neutral cage fight, Danaher slightly favors the bear over the lion due to size/endurance, but in the wild the lion would likely intimidate a risk-averse bear. - Danaher clearly believes the lion is overall the most effective combatant compared to a silverback gorilla or grizzly bear due to skill, experience, aggression, intelligence, etc.

@nathanprindler

5 ай бұрын

Good summary, thanks!

@SuperThesavage

5 ай бұрын

leopards documented killing gorillas is based on gorilla in leopard scat, which could be from many things....a ambush on a sleeping gorilla, an infant, a wounded gorilla many factors. God I would love to see more stuff on Gorillas, how they actually look using full force in a fight, because when they fight with other gorillas from what i understand they arent using full strength at all I wonder what their strategy would be, when they flail their arms they dont look that crazy powerful but that could be me being stupid, if they could direct a full force punch like a human they could obliterate a lot of animals easily. If they could grapple another animal and get a solid bite its game over with a bite force like that, if somehow a gorilla was trained in a grappling form god they would be insane with their build

@syedshakaibanwar2698

4 ай бұрын

@@SuperThesavage Not at all, Silverbasck bodies have also been found.

@TheFriendlyPsychopath

4 ай бұрын

Thanks

@Daewonnni

4 ай бұрын

Saved me 35min. Thanks.

I'm quite shocked that they didn't really address Defense. The bear's loose skin and fatty deposits offers great protection against claws and teeth, whereas the lean build of the lion and ape make them extremely vulnerable to the bears claws.

@arazhajiyev236

4 ай бұрын

they have no idea what they are talking about. If they saw this video they would never even think to compare a bear to a lion kzread.info/dash/bejne/nZeXrMinlqmyc5M.html

@imghoti

4 ай бұрын

@@arazhajiyev236 Damn! Thanks for that. Where I live in Alaska we have many many bears, especially when the salmon are running. It's not unusual to see scores of bears feeding a the weir gate here in Valdez. I've seen many fights but nothing, nothing like this!

@Wxpt1010

3 ай бұрын

Cats have loose skin. Bears are more durable because they have more fat & thicker fur but cats have loose skin too. That's how they can fight & hunt without injury. Apes however have tight skin, so the gorillas are toast lol

@imghoti

3 ай бұрын

@@Wxpt1010 I agree 100%!

@kenmasters5384

2 ай бұрын

Lions have a thick and long mane that protects the head, neck, back, chest and part of the abdomen.

I spent 6 years in university and this is by far the most insightful conversation between two PhDs.

@sid6554

Жыл бұрын

Lex sounded like a dumbass. Every assertion wasade with much confidence but completely off mark. Most off the data he "researched" (like gorillas can lift 10x more than their bodyweight, and 2-3x more than bears can is completely wrong)

@fingerpickinggood

Жыл бұрын

Danaher doesnt have a Phd. He never finished his thesis on epistemology.

@ryanmcginness2888

Жыл бұрын

@@fingerpickinggood Uswer name check out bro.

@qwerty6574

Жыл бұрын

This is all we talked about in grad school

@dennisthemenace855

Жыл бұрын

@@fingerpickinggood he has a PhD in BJJ

I love that Danaher already knows all these stats about animals and a whole philosophy on combat/war. Of course he does.

@redsnflr

Жыл бұрын

I bet he uses it similar to how some actors will imitate animal mannerisms for roles (ex. Brando inspired by gorillas for Street Car, Jim Carrey with birds for Ace Ventura), John probably tries to see movements and techniques that could be tested in his classes.

@Wolfci

Жыл бұрын

And gorilla does that with only eating leafs

@ciaranlogue2310

Жыл бұрын

He got a few things wrong, but he's knowledgeable enough. Grizzly wins all day long though.

@out_of_orbit1968

Жыл бұрын

@@ciaranlogue2310 yeah facts. Bears are built different. Lions might be courageous, but that bravery won't help in an actual fight with a starving raging grizzly/polar bear.

@1vladbara

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

I’ve wished for an intellectual internet conversation covering this exact topic for years. Finally!! Thank you gents. Informative, and equally humorous

@Joshwaheazo

2 ай бұрын

Circuses for US gold miners already put these fights on. Grizzlies always won. We have known the answer for at least 200 years 🤭.

The last 3 minutes of this are the funniest thing I've ever heard. Lex is just like "Bro if I got a grizzly in an armbar I could totally tap him out"

@ramire7heavenz252

5 ай бұрын

Choose the 🦁. It will be less pai😢😅😂

@kurtu5

5 ай бұрын

"Yeah, Morons."

@CJSteib

5 ай бұрын

@@kurtu5I had to find my Dad to show him that part. Hilarious

@F.O.R.

5 ай бұрын

The end was great

This might be the best conversation I’ve ever listened to.

@salohcin1013

Жыл бұрын

Two highly educated, eloquent intellectuals discussing animal fights like total bro dudes. This brought me so much joy.

@harulem

Жыл бұрын

Might? Might?? It absolutely is you mean 😆

@abil3362

Жыл бұрын

LOL 100% but being from Canada I put my money on the bear. There's videos online that a black bear killing a lion. And a black bear is a bitch compare to a kodiak grizzly

@cipherion

Жыл бұрын

@@abil3362 agreed and male grizzlies have killed many formidable female grizzlies

@Michaelfourfour

Жыл бұрын

@@abil3362 I agree A Bil.

On the topic of bear vs lion this question has been answered, and John was heading in the right direction, but not far enough. During the California gold rush there were animal fights set up to entertain prospectors. The audience quickly got tired of the bears easily killing everything put before them, caribou, bulls, etc. So they shipped in African lions as they thought they might have a chance, and while they looked and sounded impressive, the bears easily crushed their skulls, and the lions had no way of attacking the bears effectively. A bear's hide and bones are both far too thick for a lion to damage them significantly. Also John needs to respect moose more, a moose is significantly scarier than a cape buffalo. Cape buffalo are herd animals, scared of being isolated, always looking for safety in numbers, a moose can and will charge an adult male salmon fed kodiak bear without a second thought if it looks at it sideways.

@davidb9201

Жыл бұрын

Finally, the correct response. I can now rest easy.

@mikemoriarty6061

Жыл бұрын

Dear Reginald Benedict Victor Hugo Ashford, I appreciate your educated response based on data rather than imaginative hypotheticals. John brought up the data point that the Roman’s reported that a tiger (which outweighs a lion significantly), would kill a lion. However the matchup of a costal brown bear (i.e. Grizzly) vs a Siberian tiger was not discussed. If John gave a slight edge to the grizzly over a lion, but we know a tiger beats a lion, what would win between a tiger and grizzly? Thank you in advance for your thoughtful response. It will certainly allow me to sleep. Cordially, Mike

@R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford

Жыл бұрын

@@mikemoriarty6061 I think a large male kodiak bear would still beat a large male siberian tiger. The strength difference between them is just too great I think. The heaviest siberian tigers are only just barely the same weight as the very smallest male kodiak bears. But the largest Kodiak bears are more than twice the weight of the largest siberian tigers. You wouldn't expect a 60kg man to have a chance against a 120kg man in a fight given a similar amount of training and musculature, I don't see why it wouldn't hold true for these animals either.

@beneficent2557

Жыл бұрын

Siberian Tiger

@beneficent2557

Жыл бұрын

Also remember Brown Bears out competed the American Lion.

I've watched this twice and it's just as good the second time around. John to Lex, "The bear would think you were a penguin" had me rolling!😂😂😂😂

33:31 - The toughest animal a bear fights is another bear … also Lex is probably at home, still working on three creatures with their own AI, real life physics, specs and stats to see how far a Gorilla would make it.

@dennisgordon7767

5 ай бұрын

Thankd wtf i was here just for that

@dunesbra

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. Ok, so the bear has tattoos, piercings, brass knuckles, switch blade, steel toed boots etc etc. Now what's up? LMAO!!!

@blackberrythorns

4 ай бұрын

the toughest animal a grizzly fights is a wolverine and the wolverines have been known to kill bears.

@jweezy5490

3 ай бұрын

He didn't even pick the toughest bear, polar bears are the Apex, they get killed by Orcas so maybe Lex is putting an Orca in a fin bar or flipper toe hold😂

@blackberrythorns

3 ай бұрын

@@jweezy5490 he thinks polar bears hunt penguins in the arctic. lol.

This was fucking hilarious. I love how John assesses each animal's strengths and weaknesses and lays concise arguments for each matchup, while Lex, with childlike enthusiasm bombards him with questions using fantastical scenarios. This was one of the most entertaining, and unironically, one of the most engaging conversations I've heard in a long time.

@almac9203

Жыл бұрын

Needs Joe Rogan!

@txivneebswafflesandshroom

Жыл бұрын

Gay

@eyeseewho77

Жыл бұрын

I don’t remember the last time I laughed like this

@hakaishinkage9899

Жыл бұрын

@@txivneebswafflesandshroom your wife's your husband

@Antid0te87

Жыл бұрын

completely agree! hilarious

Almost 40 minutes of discussion for this very important topic. Lex, you continue to be on the forefront for thought-provoking and valuable discussions.

@StanHowse

Жыл бұрын

Really not though.. Not with this topic. Ever hear the expression, "The Simpsons did it!"? That's been done before, ask the ancient Romans. No thought-experiment there, they actually threw predators in the ring to fight to the death.

@crxtodd16

Жыл бұрын

@@StanHowse Okay, they probably did, but what were the results? I doubt you know.

@mbuckholz

Жыл бұрын

@@StanHowse who wins then smart guy?....

@pigs6486

Жыл бұрын

And they forgot about the snake too

@petarangelov2416

Жыл бұрын

@@mbuckholz The bear.

RIP Gordon Ryan, I respect him for having the courage to die in dignity against the Lion and the bear. respect !

It was a pleasure to listen to your guests logical assessment of each wild animal’s weaknesses and strengths. He made conclusions that made a lot of good sense. … Good choice on having him on your program!

I love how Lex is slowly embracing the “bro” side of his personality

@mikhailsharon4331

Жыл бұрын

Bruh.

LMAO. I love this. A discussion only 2 guys would engage in for an entire half hour! 😂

@zfelps

6 ай бұрын

ANY dude will have this conversation over and over.

@JakeKoenig

6 ай бұрын

Only two MORONS would discuss this for 37 minutes. A grizzly would annihilate a gorilla or lion in any environment. They're over twice as large, have thicker hide, their claws are 3x longer than a lion's claws, and gorillas have no claws at all. This was the dumbest debate I've ever heard. You might as well argue over who would win a fight between a saltwater croc and a monitor lizard.

@demonichunter7925

6 ай бұрын

​@@zfelpspreach

@mannutdutd

6 ай бұрын

In the interest of actual reality… many dudes would have no interest in this whatsoever, and plenty of female humans would (and did) find this brilliant to listen to and discuss

@MainStreamRegimeDemocrats

6 ай бұрын

It was kind of disappointing tho ngl. I would have thought jon would have known how easily a Bear will kill a lion or tiger

This conversation was surprisingly more interesting than I thought it would be.

One of the best conversations on KZread right now! I love it

Despite all of Lex's amazing conversations and guests, this is probably going to be his most popular video ever. And he'll love it.

@Mggggssss

Жыл бұрын

In just here to say “ HI MOM”

@egoworks5611

Жыл бұрын

YEAH COMPLETELY

@jeffjames3111

Жыл бұрын

I hope so, hilarious and loved the chemistry between them. They both seem like such lovely people.

@NamelessFG

Жыл бұрын

It will definitely not be his most popular video.

@junedsayed

9 ай бұрын

One of the best podcast ever !!!

I love that this is a 40-minute serious discussion on this.

@aleksandre9711

Жыл бұрын

Why shouldn't there be?

@thenativist6330

Жыл бұрын

Could’ve been answered in two minutes.

@h0tar

Жыл бұрын

@@thenativist6330 Not if you're a sane person.

@kingofkings69ner

Жыл бұрын

Could have been answered in a second

@thenativist6330

Жыл бұрын

@@h0tar🤓

Possibly the best Lex show clip ever. And science to an amazing level. Thank you!

This was hands down one of the best discussions I’ve watched

I 100% did not want this conversation to end. The way Danaher discusses various things is so satisfying and eye opening.

@potatopower2144

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he is a very fascinating thinker.

@dewinmoonl

Жыл бұрын

yeah, they didn't even get into tigers and python lol

@JakeKoenig

6 ай бұрын

@@potatopower2144 A "fascinating thinker" who spent 37 minutes debating whether an animal over 1000 pounds with a much thicker hide and 4" claws would defeat a lion or gorilla, and then he still got the answer wrong.

I feel like John Danaher would happily analyze ANY question that involves combat, for hours.

@Norwegian733

7 ай бұрын

But he is wrong....

@guntertorfs6486

7 ай бұрын

And not come to any credible solution. Obviously the bear easily wins. One paw behind the back.

@jt-el8540

6 ай бұрын

Not modern combat lol

@TheChokofant

6 ай бұрын

One paw behind the back 🤩

@jtzoltan

6 ай бұрын

​@@Norwegian733how is he wrong, he gave a good, qualified answer... he gives advantage to the lion to win or at least chase off the bear if it's a fight in the wild, while if it's a fight staged in the arena, he gives the bear the advantage.

This is the most entertaining conversation I have seen in a long time. Two underrated intellectuals pitting their (clearly) childhood animal heroes against each other. You’re a one of a kind podcaster Lex. 👍🏽✨

A master class in "Analytical Discussion"... One of the greatest Youtobe videos ever...

I love how John knows every aspect of the animals

@UserName-ii1ce

Жыл бұрын

*John danaher voice* there's no penguins in the north pole..

@cipherion

Жыл бұрын

Male grizzlies sometimes kill females defending their cubs

@AXharoth

Жыл бұрын

no pinguins in the north pole , i didnt even know smh

@4D2M0T

Жыл бұрын

He believes he does. Confidence is not the same as knowledge

@efwefwerrrrr

Жыл бұрын

But he doesn't engage we with Joe gorilla Rogan

Hands down one of the funniest and most educational videos about a useless question that every kid and ... Well adult has always asked himself. Fantastic sat through the whole thing.

This was far more informative than I expected.

Absolutely loved this. Presented with such intelligence and deep Knowledge. And funny too. Great watch!

This was an amazing convo. Lex had me dying laughing with his anti lion pro gorilla stance.

@zafran20

5 ай бұрын

Then realises a gorilla stands no chance and resorts to bear vs lion haha😂

@jcjcviews

5 ай бұрын

Could you mark the time when this occurs?

@kiss_my_axe

4 ай бұрын

@@jcjcviews20:25

@1984isnotamanual

2 ай бұрын

We Great Apes have to stand up for eachother ya know

"Theres a bunch of bitch ass gorillas walking around" 😂 Poor Lex really likes his gorillas

I love Lex and his interviews, but this one was amazing. Informative, educational, and funny AF. I laughed many times.

Love conversations like this! Absolute gold!

Hilarious convo. Zero surprise that John has thought deeply about all of these scenarios 😂

@crakhaed

Жыл бұрын

What a legend

Lex was too funny with his hypothetical what ifs .... he was like a kid asking wild questions 😂😂😂

@alexdesantis5306

Жыл бұрын

I swear this is exactly how I would be asking this guy questions too tho

@FreshManny209

Жыл бұрын

Lmao seriously. Ok what if the gorillas had access to a gun? And since they have thumbs they can wield that weapon and presumably use it

@alexwymore

Жыл бұрын

@@FreshManny209 I would have loved if he asked about training. With the gorilla's only advantage apparently being intelligence and tool use, could a human possibly teach one how to make and use rudimentary weapons?

@FreshManny209

Жыл бұрын

@@alexwymore now we're talking. How much preparation does the gorilla have for this battle

@thesethreekings

Жыл бұрын

“I don’t think you’re being open minded enough” 🤣

This was one of the most fun discussions I have heard in a while

I've seen lots of grizzlies at 3-400 pounds. It all depends on where you are. If they have no protein source and live off of mountain berries they sit around 500lbs max

This is either the most hilarious scientific discussion I've ever heard, or the world's most patient stand up routine 😂 Thank you Lex

When John corrects him on the size of the animals I legitimately started laughing because I thought he was joking at first and then I realized he wasn’t.

@brianl.7694

Жыл бұрын

I think they call this meta-comedy. Not sure. Whatever it is is hilarious to us. "Let's all laugh together,"--Lex, probably. Were Lex's parents Superman fans? Why does he have a stripper name? "Lex? Yeah, two lap dances in booth 4."

@ilyadratutin6385

Жыл бұрын

@@brianl.7694 u bein bambozeled

I may be late to the party, but here's something to consider. Asian bears fight and kill tigers in around 40% of attacks. And tigers were known to kill lions in the Roman colosseum. The north American grizzly is 3 times the size of Asian bears. Lions form of attack is the neck, grizzlies have extremely loose skin on their necks. Lions are pack hunters, that's why they can take down such formidable prey. They might be more bold because of that fact, but being bold without backup is a sure fire way to lose in one on one combat. Grizzlies being solitary animals makes them much more defensive in a fight. Bottom line is, one on one, no animal on earth beats a grizzly consistently in a fight situation. Including humans.

@Bellasrius

2 ай бұрын

Tiger were not known for killing lions in Rome. There’s 0 historic evidence for that claim. The claim comes from poems & marshals independent account of a tiger killing a lion. Which He labelled as “shocking” which tells us that it was an unusual scene & lions were always the expected winners.

@mrdoodiehead1642

Ай бұрын

Except Chuck Norris. Everyone and everything Bows Down to Chuck Norris

@snatchhog

Ай бұрын

Elephant? Rhinoceros? Hippopotamus?

When he says “you can’t double keg it. It has four fucking legs” is one of the funniest things I’ve heard. Lol

My favorite moment was John cold dead-eyed "there's no penguins in the north pole".

@1984isnotamanual

2 ай бұрын

There is no anything that far north I thought.

I love the fact that, setting aside his deep knowledge of all martial arts, John Danaher can also drop facts about animal biology, size, and strength like he does it every day.

@silence-humility-calmness

Жыл бұрын

a gorilla CANNOT lift 10x its weight,its pure prapaganda that has been repeated so much that its believed true, i would bet it can't lift even 5x its weight, gordon ryan beats a chimp easy, chimps destroy their owners who are untrained and not ready for it, an average male chimp is 100 lb and p4p 1.5 x stronger then man, at 217 gordon is stronger, he can train for a chimp watching their fights

@nkxseal8398

Жыл бұрын

Ya ive heard from a couple people that he has a pretty good knowledge base on a vast majority of subjects, Gordon spoke on it the first time on rogan i believe.

@aurochsxx5932

Жыл бұрын

Only thing he missed is how thin and tightly fixed in place gorilla's skin really are compared to Lion's and bear's loose flexible skin meaning gorilla's skin wont protect anything beneath in fighting against claws scenario, while lion's skin move with the opponent's claws upon impact which causes less tear one and second since the skin moves upon impact anything beneath will not recieve traumatic full impact of the blow and so less likely to tear

one of the most interesting and entertaining podcasts Ive seen👍👍

The toughest thing, a grizzly would fight is another grizzly bear. And it happens almost every mating season. They have plenty of battle experience.

We all knew Danaher is the ultimate fight mastermind. But after watching him use logic, knowledge and extrapolation the way he did on this topic, and breaking down a hypothetical fight between animals of different species, holy f***, this man is a Jedi Master. I’ve rarely seen such a coherent breakdown / thought process from anyone on any topic, let alone the one topic we want to hear about more than whether aliens exist or not 😂. Seriously, this man is a freakin Jedi Master.

@SilasLauzon

Жыл бұрын

Lol facts

@pcp2522

Жыл бұрын

100%. Mans a wizard

@Whotfiskyy

Жыл бұрын

Jedi master

@JoeyNTasha

Жыл бұрын

He is deep into philosophy and combat sports.

@lerch400block

Жыл бұрын

Yep, pretty much

What a focused, 100% on-point podcast. I was engaged every millisecond.

@Frip36

7 ай бұрын

Lex fans are an interesting breed.

@David35687

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I liked the point about fighting in the wild favoring the lion, versus fighting inside a cage which would favor the bear. That was a good one.

Such a thorough and thoughtful answer

Has anyone ever seen a gorilla lift or move 4000lbs?

"I guarantee you in the dark of the night there was an epic battle of which there's still legend amongst the bears" - that line slayed me. Thank you for the laugh Lex, and this EPIC conversation.

@rokavsic

Жыл бұрын

Its the battle between the Khabib and Bear

@ben_west

Жыл бұрын

i mean... if they were fighting in octagons the bear could have seen some shit there...

Lex, a physics PhD, asking the important questions in life

@christopherharvey4849

Жыл бұрын

Interestingly enough John is either a PHd recipent or was compiling a thesis in Philosophy.

@npmerrill

Жыл бұрын

We all need to at least occasionally keep in touch with the 13-year-old boy inside each of us.

@angelcorrea985

Жыл бұрын

A PHD is an Academic degree. So he's not a scientist in the field physics... that degree would land you a academic job. So this is probably more lucrative and is still within the field of his credentials. Discussion is ecacly what his degree Qualifies him for. A lot of people do not understand what a PHD is.

@rohiticku

Жыл бұрын

He is not a Physics Ph.D.. He has a Ph.D. in Computer Science (and it has nothing to do with MIT).

@rohiticku

Жыл бұрын

Danaher on the other hand is a Philosophy Ph.D. from Columbia. He is a savant. JD is in reality what JR and his "type" pretend to be on podcasts.

One point never addressed is that the lion fights as a pack-one lion does not typically bring down an elephant. Under the octagon cage scenario, I think that a Bengal tiger would be a better match to the bear. Much bigger and stronger than an individual lion, and its risk adverse preference would be neutralized by the cage/stadium limitation for disengagement.

@arazhajiyev236

4 ай бұрын

tigers is not a competitor against bear. they have no idea what they are talking about. If they saw this video they would never even think to compare a bear to a lion kzread.info/dash/bejne/nZeXrMinlqmyc5M.html

@rick-hm3ji

4 ай бұрын

@@arazhajiyev236 Of course they are not natural competitors. This entire video was a "what if?" That being said, you shouldn't discount the reaction time advantage that felines have. A lion or tiger could streak in, claw the bear's face, and dance away repeatedly.

@Wxpt1010

3 ай бұрын

Much bigger and stronger? No. Bengal tigers are about 10 pounds heavier on average. Lions average 420 pounds, tigers 430. That's not really much of an advantage tbh.

@hehateme542

3 ай бұрын

@@Wxpt1010 Tigers have many advantages. Longer claws and canines, stronger bite force and are quicker with an advantagous fighting style.

@AxelNacho.125

3 ай бұрын

@@hehateme542 And yet, dozens of fights have been recorded in captivity where the Lion has won... Always keep that in mind. It is a very even duel, both have similar sizes. It will always be a very even fight and it depends more on the individual than on anything general.

Genius! Lex is the best interviewer out there.

Let's be realistic here... A fully grown brown bear (Kodiak for example) weighs 2 times more than a lion or a tiger and 3 times more than a guerilla. Bears are also very good at wrestling. Have you ever seen a bear fight? They are much much faster and agile than most people think because it is counterintuitive for an animal this heavy and full of muscle to be agile, but they really are. There is no realistic way for a tiger to quickly kill a big bear. The bear is too tough, its nech is too thick, its body will withstand the swipes of the tiger. The fight will very quickly turn into a wrestling match. The bear will simply overpower and outlast the tiger. Bears can fight each other for a long time. Fights between big cats usually only last seconds and they are exhausted. Bears are built like bulldozers. They can take a lot more damage and deliver a lot more damage that a big cat or a primate can. A gorilla doesn't have the weapons, experience, size and killing instinct to win a fight vs a big bear (or a big cat). The lion and tiger would turn into kuddly kittens when confronted with a much bigger and much tougher predator like a bear. A full-grown male bear (Grizzly, Kodiak or Polar) will absolutely devastate everything else.

@MrIsaacsjordan

Жыл бұрын

100%.

@mhaenke

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, also bringing up bears not engaging a wolverine is not a valid argument…look what small weasels let alone honey badger (still smaller than wolverine) does to packs of lions. Also there are instances of smaller Asian brown bears driving Siberian tigers off their kills to n the wild…the rock paper scissors of intimidation in the wild seems a different matter than who kills who.

@vernonhernandez2895

Жыл бұрын

You guys didn’t hear the entire podcast 😅 you got to watch it again

@horacecock-johnson5035

Жыл бұрын

Hippo, rhino, elephant beats a grizzly, nothing else.

@12packadayhabit

Жыл бұрын

Simple google search says silver back and lions are about the same weight at 430lb ... a male grizzly is about 600lbs .... so you're waaaay off in that respect.

What started out as a question that you would probably hear in a middle school cafeteria by some boys, turned into a very enlightening and educational episode. Great job.👍🏻

@NPFfumbi

6 ай бұрын

A man of culture

@Ln-cq8zu

5 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with knowing the strength and cunning of grizzly, Tiger, or gorilla, who knows when we might find ourselves in front of any of them! 😂

@mrstarbuck9212

5 ай бұрын

I was watching comments for years since 2006 on youtube. I can tell you that lions fans they hate Tigers fans more than democrats hate MAGA. Im serious.

@richardruss30

5 ай бұрын

I've waited my whole life to hear an in depth discussion like this😂

This made me curious, what does a solo lion or tiger take down that is bigger then a full grown moose? I feel that those guys usually take down big game in packs, whilst bears are out there doing the yolo game.

@hehateme542

3 ай бұрын

There was a lion from the Mapogos pride named Dreadlocks who used to hunt and kill water buffalo.

@Bellasrius

2 ай бұрын

A single Male lion can take down a adult Cape buffalo. Also male lions have been documented taking down fully grown giraffes

@Bellasrius

2 ай бұрын

@@hehateme542hunting water buffalo’s isn’t uncommon in Male lions. Dreadlocks used to hunt giraffes & was successful.

@Brascobadboy

6 күн бұрын

@@Bellasriusscar. Not dreadlooks lol

Tiger or possibly a Polarbear/Grizzly is the top of the top.

I started off listening to this question thinking how ridiculous and silly it was. As the conversation evolved it was clear this conversation was about gaining an insight into how John Danaher's tactical mind works. Such a great conversation about something I would have otherwise thought mundane. Very entertaining thank you.

@Rowlph8888

Жыл бұрын

Joe Rogan has been seething ever since he Found out that this discussion took place without him

@bobdole7292

Жыл бұрын

Tactics are irrelevant. Even if the gorilla is twice as smart as either of the other, it’s not smart enough to override its biology and not go “apeshit” Despite being stronger, it’s not going to plan or strategize. It’s going to run in like it does vs other gorillas and it’s going to get mauled.

@topsecret5110

Жыл бұрын

My friend, a man is always still a man. This was a conversation about Gorillas Vs Lions Vs Bears 😂

I'm most impressed with John's off-the-cuff level of knowledge of the animal kingdom. WOW.

@chalkandcheese1868

Жыл бұрын

And most of its bullshit lol.

@BigballsTerrence

Жыл бұрын

​@@chalkandcheese1868 Not really from what I've listened so far.

@chalkandcheese1868

Жыл бұрын

@@BigballsTerrence Most of his "research" comes from looking at KZread videos, and most of what he was saying is rubbish.

@iandunathan3704

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't hurt that he is also a master of combat.

@chalkandcheese1868

Жыл бұрын

@@iandunathan3704 That doesn't mean shit.

The winner would definitely be the “Elephant”….!

Lesson: “Genius is the ability to synthesize all of your skills, physical and mental attributes, & experience and to apply those stills and attributes in real world scenarios. Identifying the initiations and disengagements in your environment and circumstance and knowing when to do both is essential to determining future success and why one wins or loses. All of these things necessitate focused concentration and powerful endurance.”

He forgets that bears fight each other very often. I think in this way he underestimates the bear’s ability to fight and kill. Add that to the fact that grizzly bears are massive and have extremely thick fat layers, you get a resilient animal. The reason bears back out from conflict is because they are primarily scavengers.

@DeTAYL.

7 ай бұрын

Excellent points. I’ve never seen an animal fight the way grizzlies do. As much as I love big cats, I can’t imagine a scenario where a Lion could defeat a Grizzly.

@Bellasrius

7 ай бұрын

@@DeTAYL.it’s Happened a lion named Menelik owned by Frank C bostock, in Sheffield 1911, this lion broke command at a performance and ran through a tunnel where it met a North American grizzly bear sometimes called a kodiak bear, this bear named President, reared up to fight the lion, Menelik fought and killed the bear, the trainers said Menelik tugged so forcibly on the bears head he nearly pulled President's head completely off.

@sapporoichiban3612

7 ай бұрын

@MagnusL8. Would be interested in knowing more details on that. The conditions of the animals and how they were raised would be a huge factor that could likely change a lot of the elements mentioned in this video. Not sure this is a valid example to be honest, sorry.

@thsc9119

7 ай бұрын

Bears also have thick fur around the neck as well as loose skin. Loose skin gives the attacked party more leeway to respond physically.

@shaundekker3414

7 ай бұрын

He addressed the bears fighting each other topic by stating these fights are primarily theatrical and not a fight to the death unlike a lion

"He would think you're a penguin. (But polar bear) ... there are no penguins in the north pole." lol great stuff Lex love it

Funniest podcast I've heard all year. BRAVO.🐻

Glad to see we're still having the important conversations 🙌🙌 grizzly all day though

Two adults seriously discussing such a ridiculous topic one of the world’s biggest potcast is among the most fun things I’ve seen recently. Lex’s ligtheartedly self-critiquing attitude about posing these ridicuolus but nontheless world changing questions is amazing.

@AndyJarman

7 ай бұрын

Oh, it's a potcast! That explains it.

@JakeKoenig

6 ай бұрын

It's only a ridiculous topic because the answer is obvious to anyone with an IQ over 80.

@giuffre714

6 ай бұрын

​@@JakeKoenig Is it a polar bear?

I need a Danaher podcast where each episode he breaks down a hypothetical fight between two animals.

@b.newsome8696

Жыл бұрын

I would pay to subscribe to this. Seriously

@brianl.7694

Жыл бұрын

Badger versus Wolverine 6' x 6' cage.

Love this show, and this guest is awesome

The last 5 min of this was hysterical

This is it. We have reached the pinnacle of intellectual conversation. 😂

@jaguar-yv2hq

Жыл бұрын

This world cannot be real...

@jaycee30865

Жыл бұрын

Pseudo intellectual watered down blathering. Should’ve taken 1/4 of the time.

@Chrissy-H

Жыл бұрын

@@jaycee30865 I’ve never heard anybody older than 5 attempt this conversation so I genuinely found it hilarious.

@jaycee30865

Жыл бұрын

@@Chrissy-H just ramble on and on and on. Jesus. Are there no jobs? Who is the king of the jungle? Why is he king of the jungle? Maybe he was crowned king of the jungle based in fact. Maybe we aren’t as smart as the generation that labeled him king of the jungle. Maybe we are lost in our own belly buttons and our Internet and piss poor information and shit. Develop a real topic. Like what we’re going to do with the sun doesn’t shine for 10 years after nuclear war.

@jaycee30865

Жыл бұрын

@@Chrissy-H I agree it is hilarious. Just not intentionally. Ha ha. Probably the best humor. Borat was based on a Turkish Doctor Who put up a single ad. He was actually serious. Sacha Baron Cohen was “immediately crying.“

I can't believe I sat through 30 minutes of this 😂😂 great conversation very entertaining

@words007

8 ай бұрын

Podcast are so famous just because they help us answer all the most nonsensical or weird scenario WE ALL HAVE MADE UP IN OUR MIND but nowhere to look answer from but an expert 😅

Gorilla and Lion are getting fucking rocked.

Serious question: if someone like Gordon Ryan was magically put into the perfect rear naked choke position on a gorilla, isnt there a reasonable chance he could choke it out? It seems that a deep choke with legs wrapped tight around the waist of the gorilla would be difficult for it to get out of, or does the gorilla simply pry his arms/legs off his body them rip his limbs off? (Im ignoring the difficulty of Ryan being able to even take the gorillas back to begin with)

When it came to Gordon fighting a bear, i started to cry laughing. More discussions like this please.

@tullymunro7696

Жыл бұрын

You don't think there's any ground position? Haha

@OracleTheRonin

Жыл бұрын

@@tullymunro7696 xDD no human can defeat a fully healthy grizzly bear with their bare hands

@kaansenyavuz7761

Жыл бұрын

what is he gonna do? a heel hook? :DD made me cry

A robot talking about mammals is always top-tier.

Love the fight analysis

Awesome conversation

"What if it's not a flexible bear?" had me laughing more hysterically than it should have.

One of the best ones ever, my god. Starts off slow but then it just Takes Off into a stream of information and visuals. Informative, inspiring and hilarious at the same time.

These guys need to consult tier zone for this discussion

The ability to defend an attack and prevent taking damage is a huge advantage in a fight also!

John's reaction to every absurd question from Lex about Gordon is pure entertainment. I am laughing out loud about John's obvious horror to a chimp killing Gordon. This is great stuff.

@WhosHarryCrumb

7 ай бұрын

I’m sorry, I’m putting my money on Brock lesnar fighting a chimp. And if he can’t do it, bring in Mankind

@danielmarshall4587

7 ай бұрын

Me too, great vid.

@nunya3399

7 ай бұрын

The end.. “yea morons”. I died.

@zy9662

7 ай бұрын

The "human ego" Lex got big for Lex even posing those absurd questions

@WhosHarryCrumb

7 ай бұрын

But back to the main debate. - now training would benefit all 3 animals , but don’t we think that if the gorilla trained with Brock lesnar for like 6 months that he would gain some technique for his 4000lb benchpressing strength and be able to stun the bear or lion and then literally snap their limbs to incapacitate them? Again. That nullifies the complete scenario, but I think it’s interesting

Lex really thought that intelligence would win the day, what he seemed to struggle with was the fact that there is a lot more to survival than just intelligence.

@christianedwardsen7585

Жыл бұрын

Instinct has always been the guiding light to survival.

@19DeMan77

Жыл бұрын

Intelligence is knowing when to fight or hide/walk away.

@wilfredorivera3798

Жыл бұрын

Intelligence is quite literally the main reason, if not the only reason why we humans as a species have survived long enough to make it to the point we are at here today.

@Nelson_Ocampo

Жыл бұрын

A gorilla would have a chance of winning under these conditions: 1) There are weapons 2) There is at least a month to prepare and the gorilla has a trainer teaching him every day how to use those weapons to fight a lion and bear

@thxcbo

Жыл бұрын

@@wilfredorivera3798 true but that’s because we are 10000000 times smarter then every single animal u don’t see lions using spears do u?

Fascinating discussion and an interesting topic all around. For what it's worth, my two cents on the subject was that the guest was discounting the experience gained when bears fought within their own species for food, mating or territory. It's true that bears would rather avoid a fight, at times, but bears will also defend themselves and their young against other species of bear, cougar, and wolverine.

Because gorillas aren't carnivores I would imagine that actually explains their bite force. Since they have more access to food and dont have to take time to hunt they exercise their jaws much more often. Also because of their intelligence and tool usage they probably experiment with chewing sticks and other hard materials.

John: The lion is the most experienced predator on the planet and fights to the death regularly with its own species… Lex: But the gorilla can pick up a rock… John: Gives Lex a confused stare… 😂

@brianl.7694

Жыл бұрын

🤣😂🤣😂

@mattmccaughen8082

Жыл бұрын

Tigers kill elephants by themselfs a female tiger is 250 pounds bigger than a male lion Siberian tigers get up to 900-1000 pounds 2x the size of a lion.. I think it would be polar bear or tiger

@timtags

Жыл бұрын

😂🤣

@thatguybrooke

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Lol. Also/I think lex is stuck in the idea that in this hypothetical potential scenario Lex would be fighting these huge frigging cats as the actual Gorilla via FPS game style or something!?! 🤣

@johaneriksandberg

Жыл бұрын

@@mattmccaughen8082 You're just making shit up

One of the greatest conversations I’ve ever listened to. I didn’t want it to end.

In another life Danaher would have been an epic military leader/strategist. His brain is brilliant and savage

I could listen to Danaher talk about about violence all day.

Here's one. An adult Siberian Tiger can kill a man in seconds. But a 1 week old tiger can easily be killed by an 8 year old kid. Question: At what age would the Tiger have to be so the fight with an adult man is pretty much even?

@shanginadildo

Жыл бұрын

Probably 6 months but I'm not sure how quickly lion's she

@henningstedtfeld7121

Жыл бұрын

A 6 months old Tiger still looks like a cub, but a 9 months old Tiger has gained significant mass and could be a match for an adult man.

@donthatetheflayerhatethega4170

Жыл бұрын

@@henningstedtfeld7121 6 months? You’re tripping bro. It’s very large by even 3 months

@henningstedtfeld7121

Жыл бұрын

@@donthatetheflayerhatethega4170 Just type "Tiger 3 months old" here on KZread. You'll see cubs small as housecats, not meneaters.

@emssasukeisunderrated7946

Жыл бұрын

The moment they start learning how to properly hunt (then again even by then they'll have the size and strength to maul any human)

The deadpan “there’s no penguins in the North Pole” while Lex is doubled up laughing had me doubled up as bad lol

Grizzly vs Bigfoot. Now that would be legendary.