It's almost like a "flowers in the attic" kind of situation. They only have each other in this inclosure and they are nearly teenagers at this point.

love to see these 2 play so nice together. Whilst Shabani looks on. He takes so much of their playing before he tells them off. I think Annie and Gentaro will play for ever when they start to live together

Kiyo is going to become a massive silverback!😮

Kiyo is becoming such a handsome young black back.To me he looks older then 9 (almost 10). His chest looks like a sliverbacks already. Im so happy to see that Annie and him love each other like they do (but not too much.)

@TheFlashyWeasel

Жыл бұрын

Well..-I've seen Kiyo mount Annie before-I hope she's on birth control! Can't stop mother nature's urge to mate-he's in that time of life for change.

見てる側はちょっとヒヤヒヤしますが、当人たちはただ仲良く遊んでいるだけなんでしょうね😂🎉

Annie an Kiyomasa are so close hormones aside they still are young but it’s funny Kiyomasa seems to really developing into adulthood whereas Gentaro is very young quite immature in his behavior. Kiyomasa is playful but he’s starting to look like a silverback. I love these groups

How will they ever separate these two??? They love each other so much! It's really quite sad that they have to go through such heartbreak! Gentaro and Kinny will have to do the same thing!! The life of a gorilla in captivity has its pros and cons! 🦍❤️🦍

@glenndouglas8822

Жыл бұрын

It's the same in the wild. Nothing to do with captivity.

@klmoll

Жыл бұрын

It’s the same in the wild. The younger male who starts changing moves very soon to a bachelor group. They hang and later form their own families. All species do this.

@glenndouglas8822

Жыл бұрын

@@klmoll Yep, people put far too much human qualities to these beautiful animals. They say we share 98%dna BUT that 2% makes one hell of a difference 🙌✌️

They have been doing the deed a couple of years now and Annie has been the instigator many times lol. You can't stop what has already been started lol. I think it is so cute that Annie still wants to be piggybacked

Beautiful kids! Aí is also so beautiful.

5:13 is too cute!

Kiyomasa e está tão grande ele será um lindo dorso pratiado 💙. Annie minha linda gorila ❤.

Ya están grandes los dos bebes❤

I feel so much love for these impressive and beautiful creatures, contrary to the unpredictable and aggressive chimps I despise.........

They are Sooo lovely❤🦍

Kiyo is a silly funny mama's boy and Annie is a sweet lovable girl! While they only share a father together I don't see a problem. It's a common practice across species, in the southwest of America it' difficult to know who you're related to! LOL I must say Annie looks healthy and happy, not like when she was younger, may it's the love and tenderness from Kiyo that's made the difference!

@klmoll

Жыл бұрын

To build a genetically healthy family, they must be separated. If what you say is true and they are copulating, they are very fortunate that Shabani has not seen them. But, I do agree with the majority, they need to start their own families soon.

@swamp5050

Жыл бұрын

@@klmollI watched when they were at there old home, and saw how sexual Shabani was towards Annie. She was constantly trying to get away from him and did her best to avoid him without much success. She spent much of her formative years unhappy and depressed because of Shabanni's behavior which is why I fail to understand or share how folks consider him a good father, I never have! However as many do across species dealing with those circumstances, Annie survived physically and emotionally and for that I'm grateful!

I don’t want Annie to go to Chimba Zoo. She deserves better!

@thesummerof1968

Жыл бұрын

Chiba---> me either, they own Gentaro...I hope that info is incorrect.

@winterweib

Жыл бұрын

I wish Annie a life without any more harm. She has endured enough. This message is devastating. Poor little grl. In nature the females leave such a mean male. Here the are in an enclosure and forced to stay :( .

@glynisakabonniekenzie7664

Жыл бұрын

I agree Steve.

I guess as long as the female is on birth control and the male doesn’t get beaten up by Shabani, it’s not the end of the world for these half siblings, but it’s not going to go over well with human sensibilities of course. They probably have to move the young male to a bachelor group?

@lizzyyork

Жыл бұрын

They need to move Annie before her brother. Shabani has been shown to show interest in her as well.

@MegUSN52

Жыл бұрын

Primates, like humans, can still get pregnant on birth control. It does occasionally happen. Annie was not penetrated in this video. Males will hump each other (no penetration). Bonobos will have sex as a means of resolving conflict. They will do it with same sex and with their children. Young male chimpanzees and orangutans will simulate mating with adults, even their own mothers. By human standards this would be wrong. By primate standards they are simply just learning and exploring. They don’t have our moral and social constructs.

@maryeddy4871

Жыл бұрын

@@lizzyyork I think once Shabani starts trying to mate with Annie, thats when she gets moved. Thats how I saw it go down in other zoos. Once Dad gets all over the young female, they must move her away from him. I just hope she is ready and mature enough when that day comes.

@paddlefar9175

Жыл бұрын

@@maryeddy4871 She’d likely reject him, so the Zoo staff hopefully would have plenty of time to react. It doesn’t look like dominant male Gorillas push themselves on females without their approval, but an active sex drive in the young female Gorilla might be problematic if not on birth control.

@maryeddy4871

Жыл бұрын

@@paddlefar9175 , Thank you for your comment. I agree with you. Its odd to me t hat as great as Silverback Dads are, as far as mating goes, they don't see it as taboo with their daughters. I'm sure the Zoo Staff is on top of this and they know what to watch for and what to do in this situation. Happy New Year and I appreciate you sharing with me. We can always learn so much from each other and sharing our opinions and thoughts. Thanks for the kind reply.

Un bello video se han criado muy juntos Sabanis ha Sido el mejor padre a amado esa Nina la crío y cuida como padre y madre pero veo a Kiyosama y Antes muy Serca traten con Gentaro el de Momotaro los dos harían una bella pareja todo el mundo lo pide 3 comentarios pidiendo lo mismo que yo

สองพี่น้องเป็นคู่กันได้มั่ย รึไม่ได้ น่ารักดี ทั่งคู่🥰🥰🥰

Mrs. Annie Gentaro ❤🧡💚💙💜

When will Annie and Gentaro go to Chimba zoo??

@ellenknell9645

Жыл бұрын

Gentaro wont be leaving Kyoto until he's at least 13, so a couple years yet.

@cantoncardcollector1512

Жыл бұрын

Based on the actions in this video Annie should be moved in with Gentaro or she’s going to be having some deformed babies with her brother. Inbreds

Amori belli!❤️🍀❤️

Uhhhh no comment

Shabani is going to lose his mind when Annie and Kiyomasa leaves. Love them a lot❤️🦍 It's sad they have to separate. Kind of reminds me when Black people were slaves and separated from their families😔

@lizzyyork

Жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness you did not just say that. Male gorillas leave their family to join bachelor groups in the wild, because the Silverbacks don't tolerate other adult males breeding with their females. This also prevents inbreeding which creates sickly babies. Comparing them to human slaves when these are animals is insane.

@glenndouglas8822

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god bxchic. Please please remove slavery jibe. It's nothing like human trafficking. Are you mad?

@bxchicc7799

Жыл бұрын

@@glenndouglas8822 who said anything about human trafficking? Gorillas are separated from their families once they turn a certain age. It's the same thing as slavery💯 Black people were separated from their families and sold off to the highest bidder. Can you even comprehend what i posted🙄

Same age - are they twins or different moms?

@SomethingAboutGorillas

Жыл бұрын

different moms.😊

Keduanya sangat cocok, jangan terpisahkan ❤😊

I would have like to know why the cut at 1:30

@SomethingAboutGorillas

Жыл бұрын

There is no deep meaning to it. I just cut the shaky scene.

Didn’t seem like anything was consummated in this vid-just a lot of fun fooling around. I don’t know why but this doesn’t bother me, as long as Annie’s on birth control. This is how gorillas learn, if they’re lucky enough. Momo missed it all. And a year or two from now, when I hope a sweeping new landscape is available, Annie will be seducing Gentaro in grand style-not needing the back seat of a racy convertible! I worry most about her maternal instincts, with her having been hand-raised-but there are videos of birthing and nursing, and instruction with dolls, that have helped other mothers-to-be. Meanwhile, try to remember that gorilla culture has no organized religion or sexual mores. They’re just doing what they do!

@TheFlashyWeasel

Жыл бұрын

Annie is extremely valuable to the Japan gorillas as she isn't directly related to anyone-it would be a shame if she mated with her own brother (half) but still related-if this happens, you can forget about Gentaro getting her until much later rather than sooner. I hope this zoo has her on BC-we have all been hoping for the best for Gentaro and Annie for several years now.

@katewaterbaby

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFlashyWeasel She’s directly related to not only Kiyo but Rikki, and that leaves in Japan only Gentaro or-too young for now-Kintaro. I think Annie’s keepers know all this and I’m sure she’s on birth control. Letting siblings have offspring is something that stopped 30 years ago. Not to worry!

@TheFlashyWeasel

Жыл бұрын

@@katewaterbaby thank you for that info.👍

@maryeddy4871

Жыл бұрын

Agree. I think ( despite her hard beginning ) Annie will be a loving Mommy. Annie has such a tender heart ( I think she takes after her Dad ) and notice through the years how she loved watching & playing with human kids/babies through the glass.She watched Nene mother Kyo and although that was heartbreaking to me what she must have felt watching her brother get so much protection, affection and love from a mother when she didn't get that, I think there is a very sweet heart in Annie and I do think she will be a good mommy. Daddy and Kyomasa saved her. They gave her so much love and affection and Annie is Daddy's girl, he will always watch over her and protect her. As you wrote, they are experimenting , they must have hormones and urges and learning and figuring things out. But, they have a very special bond and I feel so bad for the parents. I wish there were more babies here because when they move on to make their own families, I cannot imagine the heartache and loss the adults will suffer. Shabani is a wonderful Daddy and loves his Gorilla kids so much. I always felt that Nene is still alive at this age because of Kiyomasa, her little Prince. She still dotes on him and protects him. I think, sadly, when he moves on, it will kill her. There are no kids left to distract them or ease the pain. Then what? Sad. I hope Annie is matched with Sweet Gentaro. Time will tell. We all love these Gorillas so much and I hope they are happy as time goes on.

@katewaterbaby

Жыл бұрын

​@@maryeddy4871 Mary, thank you so much for sharing all your sweet history with this troop! Makes me feel much relieved about Annie’s taking to mothering. Yay! There are actually a lot of us worried about Shabani when he has to part with his dear kids, his whole reason for being. I hadn’t thought about Kiyo’s departure being the end of Nene, but you’re surely right. Although I had wondered, if upon her passing, it would be thinkable to bring in one or two young wives for Shabani, and how that might effect Ai. Or if Ai will be taken off birth control and how that might go with her attitude toward mothering now that she’s older. BUT then, there’s the problem of overseas zoos not wanting to send gorilla ladies to Japan. How did Taipei manage it? What better circumstances do they have, that Japan might strive for? Is it the animal health and welfare regs, or solely the funding set up, and its not being a more lucrative private foundation? So many questions!!! Yet it seems if there are answers out there to be found, maybe we could all be encouraging things in some good direction.

I really hope that they never get separated. .

@klmoll

Жыл бұрын

What the actual …? They are brother and sister, did you know that?

Come on there frickin apes there's no moral compass let them have there fun I say a salute

There committing insest! The zoo needs to put Annie with Gentaro

@winterweib

Жыл бұрын

Gentaro. Oh my God... Gentare is horny a.f: He even r.pes male babies. He is gruesome: He even tries to hurt his Mother badly, and wants and tries to kill her. He is a pest, will never try to be protective n kind to the weak ones. He needs to be castrated and put into a solo box, or with other males which are elder and way more handy and strong and show him who's boss. Any female or youngster, forced to enďure him, is pure cruelty. Annie had such a sad childhood. There are many males in bachelor groups. She literally can choose. There is no need to torture this nice girl with that nasty perv.

@kennethmoore5458

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure she’s on birth control.

@kimgraham9671

Жыл бұрын

I am sure the zoo won't allow reproduction ,so they are ok, they are animals

@cantoncardcollector1512

Жыл бұрын

@@kimgraham9671 So are dogs & breeders don’t breed brothers & sisters.

@kimgraham9671

Жыл бұрын

@@cantoncardcollector1512 the zoo won't let them reproduce I hope and believe the wont

As far as I know Kiyo and Annie are not siblings. They have different parents.

@Charlotte-r

Жыл бұрын

They are half brother and sister. Shabani is dad to them both; Ai is Annie's mom and NeNe is Kiyomasa's mom.

@kimgraham9671

Жыл бұрын

Shabanis is the dad to both

@cantoncardcollector1512

Жыл бұрын

@@Charlotte-r isn’t Nene AI mom

@Charlotte-r

Жыл бұрын

@@cantoncardcollector1512 Yes, that's true. Ai's parents are Nene and Rikki who died in 2003. Both Nene and Rikki were born in the wild - believed to be in 1972.

@cantoncardcollector1512

Жыл бұрын

@@Charlotte-r so the bloodline between Annie & Kiyo is almost 100%