Am I over reacting? Idk, maybe. Will I stop? Also maybe. I want to talk about a lot of different things.

@Grimscribe732

4 жыл бұрын

Nope, not overreacting. I had the same reaction. Also, the way the categories are chosen is off. Last year had probably the worst offender so far with Stephen King's Elevation winning the award for horror. That book is a drama with an SFF gimmick, not horror, not even by a long shot. But everyone and their mother just vote for King by default in that category. Recently there has been a discussion about the same topic in the SciFi and Fantasy Book Club group.

@alwayssleeping2456

4 жыл бұрын

No, don't stop, maybe if we point the bad things at Amazon, someday we can have something nice finally

@digitalhunter42

4 жыл бұрын

No. Pin a link to GRs suggestions page, perhaps if the 20K or so people who will watch this video say hey, they will add it. Though I doubt it.

@Milkylogic

4 жыл бұрын

God I hope Goodreads takes this to heart. Their lists are so often unusable.

@leyoy

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't you (or someone who knows how to) make some kind of web scraper to extract goodreads fantasy books with their rating and their date of publication ? I don't know how feasible that is...

I stopped paying attention to the good reads choice award after Harry Potter and the cursed child won in 2016 lol

@griffithadams9232

4 жыл бұрын

Wow that’s... completely crazy wtf

@hitandruncommentor

4 жыл бұрын

I stopped paying attention when a memory of light didn’t win fantasy of the year and then the following year when Brandon Sanderson didn’t get a mention despite putting out 4 books that year

@nataliaweronikapetersson3425

4 жыл бұрын

That. Exactly that comment.

@cassandrac7491

4 жыл бұрын

EWW TRUE

@sixstringsher

4 жыл бұрын

SAME

Goodreads is that lazy friend who just sits and does nothing but we still love him.

@kianadresse891

4 жыл бұрын

Pallab Dutta I don’t have a... oh, it’s me isn’t it?

@i_dont_know_who_i_am69

4 жыл бұрын

We still love him because he's our only friend (like daniel said, there's really no other website like it)

@deanryanmartin

4 жыл бұрын

I love GoodReads despite of its imperfections.

@Docsfortune

3 жыл бұрын

This sounds like therapists and psychologists.

The way they're doing it isn't even going to make them more money. People are already going to buy the popular books. By highlighting the less popular but higher rated books, Amazon would likely end up selling MORE books overall!

@UltimateKyuubiFox

4 жыл бұрын

I assume they must have private deals with publishers to continue marketing successful books on the website.

@Addfour

4 жыл бұрын

They've been doing the, "Goodreads choice awards" since 2011. I think @Daniel Green has a point about making a separate list, but the b plot that amazon is doing to make money is a bit overplayed. Wrong way to make change, instead join with a handful of influencers and go to them to create an up and coming list they can feature on their channels.

@kmolnardaniel

4 жыл бұрын

You are right, they are just dumb. In the goodreads app, you dont have the options to visit the book on amazon or elsewhere. (they have this on the website.) So if I found a good book on this shitty website, I need to open amazon in an other app, and order the kindle. This is downright goes agains business.

@carlylarsson

4 жыл бұрын

@@kmolnardaniel This is also how Audible worked for a long time, and makes no sense from a business or technical standpoint.

I'm still mad at Goodreads because we can't do .5 ratings.

@noahrodriguez

4 жыл бұрын

I know right!!!

@raywhite7179

4 жыл бұрын

I'd just be happy if they could fix their search engine.

@Ascarion47

4 жыл бұрын

I actually think that's reasonable. If you add half points, you might as well do 10 points without them. And once you have 10 points people are going to demand half points again, because they can't decide whether to give a book 9 or 10 points. Goodreads has decided to adopt a 5-star system. I think that allows enough distinction between ratings. Especially if people were to actually be less afraid to use the lower ratings.

@six2make4

4 жыл бұрын

Just think of it like tiers... How I do it... Crap - Bad - Mediocre/Nothing special - Good - Amazing Usually if I can't decide if it's a 4 or 5 it's probably a 4. Which again, is a good book, but if it's amazing then I feel I should know without a doubt.

@pretendtheresaname9213

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ascarion47 10 points is design wise an awful choise, while .5 is not and it gives 9 rating possibilities, being able to make a more accurate representation of what you're saying; I don't know how many books were 3.5 for me and I just had to put 3 or 4, it's frustrating.

Goodreads has an absolute monopoly when it comes to readers keeping track of their reading. Amazon won't put much efforts into improving it until a competitive product comes to market that people switch to.

@Iza56

4 жыл бұрын

But you need to keep track of your reading anyway? I'm sure anyone can remember what and how nany books they read in a year, bookmark pages. Do you really care how many books you read fee years back?

@jaikiratsandhu7950

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iza56 There are a lot of stats that a lot of people care about. They care about things like their diversity in genre, diversity in authors, how many pages they read etc etc. Not saying I care about them, but a lot of people do. And GoodReads serve that purpose. Also, research shows that people tend to read more when they have stats to back them. They just read more. I am not saying to not use GoodReads. I am saying to try new platforms for tracking your reading

@robpaul7544

4 жыл бұрын

Actually don't remember everything I have read, or series or authors I want to get back to. And since I often buy many books in advance I also forget that I have them and buy them again - not often but it has happened. And since I started watching booktube vids I kinda need to keep recommendations organized.

@leiselclayton5772

4 жыл бұрын

Rob Paul I’m thinking I need to add a way to organize recommendations. Can I ask how you organize yours?

@marcusmusings

4 жыл бұрын

well, alternatives are to make spreadsheets, and there are a lot of templates out there to help chart your reading if you want to keep it to yourself

Daniel "I was a software engineer" Greene.

Sit back and get ready for Daniel to destroy goodreads pt. 3

@deanryanmartin

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

Fully agreed. Goodreads should step up their game here Only thing: King of Scars is YA fantasy, which has its own category, where it was the 4th most popular

you missed the best part - Ninth house got 53,430 votes but has only 24,429 ratings, how did that happen.... did the people who did not read the book voted for it.....your point, popularity contest, exactly.

@Grimscribe732

4 жыл бұрын

It is a mix of two issues. One, as you have correctly pointed out, a lot of people just vote based on name recognition of the author even when they haven't read the book. Two, you can vote several times for the same book. Once in the quarter-finals, once in the semi-finals, and once in the finals. As far as I can tell all rounds are aggregated to a final score and there is no reset of the votes between the rounds.

@keeprockin69

4 жыл бұрын

Not everyone rates a book when they have read it, I don't do it for most of the ones I've read :)

@UltimateKyuubiFox

4 жыл бұрын

TT That’s not a problem, the problem is making a review without having read it. Giving a review is a decision a person makes after experiencing a book, not a gut instinct before interacting with it.

@caspianhedlund1695

4 жыл бұрын

@@UltimateKyuubiFox I think what he is saying is that some people read the book, vote in the "best of" contest, but never actually rate it. I also do rate most books I read, but if I had seen that contest I probably would have voted.

@jeddstevie8252

4 жыл бұрын

Swati Vaidya it has 24k ratings but more often than not people mark books as read but don't rate them...thus the number of people that rate a book is almost almost always lower than the number of people who actually read it. Further more the number of goodreads ratings is not reflective of the number of people that bought and read the book. It could have 24K ratings but have sold 200k copies, as there are a lot of people that don't regularly use Goodreads.

Anyone else want a Greene reads website with your critism built in and overall just better... but we can only dream

Huge fan of your work. Your vids got me into Sanderson, and now I'm obsessed with reading every entry in Mistborn and The Stormlight Archive, so thanks

That’s actually what I wish Goodreads was: a website to find new books!!!! It’s so stressful navigating the site to find new books.

@AikiraBeats

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly same like if they had that option it would be so much better

Also, their recommendations are very often ridiculous/random. I once got the "The Blade Itself" recommended for reading a cozy mystery. Da fuq. I feel bad for the authors who aren't reaching the audience they could.

@Loganva

4 жыл бұрын

the blade itself is pretty good tho lol

@Grimscribe732

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I will also recommend The Blade Itself. Always.

@MaxCadyS

4 жыл бұрын

It recommend me The Lies of Locke Lamorra after I read the Way of Kings and the Name of the Wind, which was a perfect suggestion. It's pretty polarised, I'll tell you that much.

@irockmajorly

4 жыл бұрын

Okay but did you read the blade itself or not

@UltimateKyuubiFox

4 жыл бұрын

Guys, OP meant they didn’t think it was a comfy mystery, not that it wasn’t good.

As someone who got a D in Computing Science even I know how easy it would be.

Someone really should make a competing site. Honestly Daniel - you'd get thousands of people on it almost instantly if you made one. That could grow to hundreds of thousands pretty quickly. Even if you didn't want to actually take time to run the thing, amazon would probably take notice of yours by then and hopefully improve theirs or you could hire people to run it. I don't know all that much about how to actually make money off a site like that - but I'm assuming you could!

@ninakocjancic9346

4 жыл бұрын

You could try Bookaxe? Or there was this one other website that hosted hundreds of reading groups, but i cant think of the name right now?

goodreads recommendations really be giving Sanderson the cold shoulder after all this time

One of my biggest pet peeve is that they allow ratings and reviews before the book is even finished... Like There are full on reviews from years ago and the book isn't even out!!

@robertblume2951

4 жыл бұрын

Well earc's do exist so there is some precedent for allowing early reviews. Baen monthly subscriptions will allow you to read books up to 4 months before publication but they are advanced reader copies so you are getting the sort of unedited version a quarter at a time for 4 months and then the final edition on release day.

when Cursed Child was voted best fantasy, I knew there was no hope for the Goodreads Choice Awards

For a site that is all about social discussions, having the two lists would be a good way to start discussions.

Just wanted to say that you are soaring up my list of favourite youtubers, Danny-boi! Your wonderful sense of humor combined with book-stuffs fills a void in my media consumption I did not know I had.

Merry Christmas Daniel Green...looking forward to a new decade of your videos

Most popular is literally every award across all entertainment. It's almost never the best. EDIT: Watching it late, but I absolutely love the holiday flair. Please do it again next year.

LOVE THIS VIDEO!! This made me start digging around for an API so we can build it ourselves. I wounder if I'll have to revert to scraping.

I ignore the awards because people vote even without reading all of the books in each category. That way of course the most popular book wins and I can't take it seriously. Especially this year that the only two books in the awards that I read won and I disliked both of them...

You've been killing it content-wise. Keep up the good work. Happy Holidays.

I just wanna say that the quality of your content makes your opinions matter. Love all your videos and the work you put into them :) Especially love how you're unbiased too. Keep em coming!

I like how A Little Hatred (rated something crazy like 4.6) is around 10th on the list because it was only a write-in option.

I love you, Daniel, can't wait for your Witcher episode reviews!

Why do i have the feeling that this is going to be another GoodReads rant lmao

Hey thanks for the killer content this year!! Merry Christmas !!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS DANY

I totally agree with you, I would love a list like that. It would help a lot of people to discover new books

I saw the Ascender graphic novel on there when you scrolled very fast looking for top rated fantasy of 2019, and I gotta say I’m happy. Descender and Ascender are some of the best up there with Tokyo Ghost, Transmetropolitan, Y the Last Man, Sandman, etc. Edit: Yes, I know it wasn’t sorted by best rated or whatever, but any advertisement on that fantastic piece of media deserves recognition. I would love to see you read some graphic novels here if that butters your biscuit since I think Tokyo Ghost is one of the best stories ever told in any medium, and it is really short compared to most series. It’s be a great start.

Merry Christmas!! I hope you have wonderful Happy reading month!!

I don’t trust GR reviews as a whole. Random peeve with Goodreads: Allowing ‘reviews’ before release date.... are the 5 star ”can not wait!” reviews or the “this author is shit, don’t bother”..... If ARC’s haven’t gone out.... then no review allowed! Edit: eg.... Peace Talks has 954 ‘ratings’ and 41 ‘reviews’. 4.42 stars.... They probably need a pre-release chat board option instead

New subscriber here, I haven't had time to watch a lot of your videos, but I love what I've seen so far!

That's an interesting perspective about the number of reviews. I've spent the beginning of my writing career in the indie community, where 50 reviews is considered a lot. It's discouraged for family and friends to review. I looked up some of the indie titles I know of that have some traction, and only one comes close to 500 ratings. Reasserting that if I want my books to have the audience scope I hope for I'm going to enter the agent lottery at some point.

Hey, love your videos. Could you make a top 10 2019 books which weren't sequels?

Not being able to discover new books and just being told Harry Potter and Percy Jackson was all i needed to read turned me off from reading for a long time, luckily we have Booktuber Guys and Gals helping me discover new books. Now im willing to read a lot more books, i picked up so many books this Christmas and im super happy! Thanks Daniel and company!

I would love it if someone from Amazon or Goodreads saw these vids and hired you to fix the site or at the very least took everything you’re saying to heart and did something about it. You’re not overreacting, you’re 100000% right. You’re putting into words the concerns I believe most users have had with the site for YEARS. I mean just LOOKING at it tells you how lacking it is. It doesn’t even look like a 2019 website, it looks like what websites looked like at the beginning of the decade! Tbh that’s probably the last time the site received its last update.

That voice for Pips! 😂 Alvin and the Pipmunks. 🤣

Do you think you'll put out a video giving brief reviews or summaries of some of the books on this most popular of 2019 list? Thank you for posting the few books of 2019 with 4.2 or higher that you had found. I'll look into them

You should review different reading and writing softwares as a series.

in the intor you make me cringe while simultaneously making me love you and idk how I feel about that lol. Love your content!

Hello, Daniel. Thanks for the great videos! I believe Goodreads has a read API.

by the way, the king of scars is great. the first book I read by her, and I had no issue getting into it even though I haven't read other Grisha verse books.

I appreciate how these feel like they are talking directly to good reads about how to improve, instead of complaining

Kingdom of Ash by sarah j maas won this year, and I was like sure I liked it, but it’s a 2 star book at best qualitywise. :/. It’s definitely the popular vote.

You hit the nail on the head. Thanks!

Oh, now you did it... I want Pip's input on more videos. This needs to be a thing now,

Great comments. I am sure they could crank out a quick query as they probably have a database through AWS.... Sad they made it a popularity contest only.

Dude! You are so right. KZread just recommended this for me, and while watching this, I’m raving to my girlfriend how right you are.

I honestly love these goodreads rants

Awesome take on Goodreads. I definitely agree with you about how the site is set up. I also agree with you about the newer (less known) authors not getting a spotlight on them or getting a chance to shine. That being said, I usually buy books based upon what you Book Tubers review and say is decent or great. My last 2 purchases (Ninth House and Rage of Dragons) were bought simply by watching you and other Book Tubers reviewing them and giving them such glowing reviews. I tried Byzans and didn't like it. Its only available on tablet and not on a computer desktop, so that being said I'm sticking to Goodreads BUT I do wish they would improve the overall quality of the site. Spot on review (rant) about it though. Happy holidays to you, Pips and your family. Take care.

Thank you. Now I'm even more excited for Jade War. I'm definitely gonna start it soon. But people can't go and read that one. You need to read Jade War first, which is also a great book, but it does mean you need to read another tome before you can read the book with the high rating. Also: with the data available even I can see how easy it would be to sort and make these lists. And I didn't even pass my 3-week programming course because I was sick... That 2018 book is probably on there because December releases are counted for this year's list. They can't be taken into account for the year before since the choosing/voting starts before a bunch of books even release. And I just realized how late I am to this video. Oops

I just signed up to GoodReads . Still learning to navigate. This review makes me wonder if it's worth keeping. Thanks for the review.

Hi Daniel! I feel the same about goodreads too, maybe they´ll listen and start working on it. I admire your posture and your amazing ability to criticize. Greetings from Argentina!!

As a former programmer , yazzzzzz I completely agree. You nailed it on the head. So frustrating.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 amen! Love Pips wisdom as well.

Well you sold me on Rage of Dragons at least, just picked it up on Amazon, happy holidays Daniel!

Agreed totally! Also, the cat bits are hilarious! 😂 😂

What was the name of that Goodreads alternative Daniel had as a sponsor a few videos back?

If you don't drop another video before the 25th. Merry Christmas to You, your lovely Deja Thoris, and Pips the banth.

Omg, I can’t believe you have done this. I was happily ignorant but now that you have made me see what I’ve been missing, I won’t be ok until I have this functionality. Damn you Daniel! Damn you, haha

BooksandLala already came for the good read award, and she explained how it works. In the beginning, there's like 50 books, than it gets cut down to 20 and then 10, all by popular vote. And that's why the most popular get to top 10, because people can't vote for a book they haven't read (they can, technically, but wont, obviously). She predicted most of the books in the Thriller category and it's quite hilarious 😂 Good reads team should wake up

@leiselclayton5772

4 жыл бұрын

Jeliel M. They can’t vote for a book they haven’t read? I’m not sure that’s the case, because many of the winners have (a lot) more votes in the contest than they have ratings (via another booktuber’s rant).

@harinimarchadi1204

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's more like the really big authors have fans who will vote for their books even if they haven't read them

@jelielm.8103

4 жыл бұрын

@@leiselclayton5772 i said they technically can

@UltimateKyuubiFox

4 жыл бұрын

Jeliel M. You said “But won’t, obviously”. Which, I mean. It’s okay to admit you missed a factor, everyone’s done that at some point.

@roselightz_3027

4 жыл бұрын

When the 5 write-in books were added and she went "I know all of these 5 will get cut again in the next round, so I won't even look at them for this challenge"😂

Definitely most popular. I just had this discussion with another book friend who asked for my opinion, which I happily gave. Haha! Also many of the authors reached out to their fans on their social media platforms asking for votes. I'm not faulting the authors; of course they want to win. But again, reiterating the popularity contest.

I too have looked for this list at least once a year and only get publisher favourites

What you said makes ton of sense. Hope they do this

Yo kinda off topic Daniel, but I highly recommend checking out The Sword of Kaigen. Awesome character focused, oriental ambiented fantasy novel

I guess King of Scars is considered YA. That's why it wasn't in the "Fantasy" category, because... Reasons 😩 I wholeheartedly agree on everything (the Romance category is a whole other mess btw).

@Grimscribe732

4 жыл бұрын

The categories are all over the place anyway. I don't even know how or who chooses them. It is not by what people shelve the books, that is for sure.

preach! i hope goodreads gets it together and hires some competent programmers

We went from beautiful children to filthy animals 😅🤚🤚

@Trisjack20

4 жыл бұрын

He's been watching Home Alone for the holidays.

I just love the feud Daniel has with goodreads 💙💙

You should make a video on how to properly and appropriately "rate" books on a 5 star scale. For example, what constitutes a 5 over a 4? And should people feel bad about giving a book 3 star even if they liked it? These are the things I think about when grading this world on a 5 star scale....

I've been watching your channel for a year or so now and it finally occurred to me, did you name your cat after Mat's horse?

HIGHLY recommend that you put Twelve Kings of Sharakhai on your 2020 reading list!!

I wish I could like this twice.

It would also be nice if we could just download their database in sqlite. Then we can query it ourselves if they can't do it right. Edit: actually, there are some community-made tools that kind of do that. Daniel should Google "goodreads sqlite".

OMG this video is amazing Goodread should hire you.

Great idea. I hope someone at Amazon listens. Thanks.

Great video. I think the popularity contest is good, gives them interaction and buzz, but I don’t see anything wrong with them having, if not “best of” (to not compete with their awards), at least a highest rated list.

I so agree....stopped using goodreads a few years ago.

I agree for the most part. I just wish someone would come up with an alternative already.

also if you compare amazon's editors selection for best books of the year with the goodreads choice awards you'll see a lot of similarities... they put books on the gr list that they were paid/wanted to promote, and that kicked out some actual great books. the winner for best thriller this year was amazon's pick for best book of the year. what a coincidence

GR Choice Awards isn't even really a popularity contest. So many books end up on there because people are EXCITED to read it and haven't actually done so. The best fiction category went to The Testaments this year. I'm not saying anyone is WRONG to like that book, but it seems like SO many of the people who did read it ended up disappointed in it. Someone on reddit pointed out that a book's GR score is partially a function of how well it selects its audience. This is why many classics have scores lower than four while something like a LitRPG will often have a very high rating. No one is being forced to read a LitRPG. People who don't like LitRPGs generally just don't read them. Meanwhile, a book which is hyped among the wrong audience might take a hit to its score (this may be why Ninth House has a lower score than King of Scars--I don't know, I haven't read either). Ultimately, I think that if you're really looking for general quality, well, this is what professional critics are for. My solution, personally, is to have the GR choice awards for a year not take place until the summer of the following year. Books are not movies. You need more time to read a book. And hopefully, by then, hype will have died down.

I never use Goodreads because it sucks to find what is arguably the best books to read! Your video is spot on.

The Choice awards also always include the books that were released in the year before from November 15th onwards or something because they obviously can't count into the awards of the year they were actually released in because of the voting time... which is probably why the George RR Martin book was in there

How can I organize the books I've read the way I want to ? Among the options to order by is "position". Does this mean that I can choose the position of every book, and that way fully control the order of every entry on my list? Because that is what I want! But I can't seem to be able to do that !! The point is that I want to order the books I've read (as well as those I want to read), by series, and within that, chronologically. I want all the books in the Songs of Ice and Fire series listed from Book 1 to Book 2 Part 1 to Book 2 Part 2 and so on to Book 5 (and then to the Book 6 and Book 7 that I "want to read"). Then I want to move on to another series, and list that series the same way. I also want to be able to place the prequels in any series in amongst the main series, wherever I want. I don't want to list the books by author, but randomly within that. I don't want to list the books by publishing date or by date of reading. I want to have full control of the order, simply placing each book where I want it. That way it's easy to see the flow of a series, where I am on the list and what bokks are left to read, and all the entries of every series would be next to each other. HOW TO DO THIS ?!?!?!!

Your cat is adorable 🖤

The best way I have seen to do these lists is to create your own. There are also lists that curate the fantasy genre by the rating, amount of people who've reviewed it, the year/decade it was published. A lot of the best, most reliable lists to go to on Goodreads are the ones made by the users.

I love this and very much agree. Please listen to this goodreads.

I love Pips's input. He should definitely voice his opinion more often. It provides some valuable insights. 🐈

Preach

Have you read the shadow campaigns series by django wexler? It’s more of a flintlock fantasy but I really enjoyed it. Would you consider reviewing it?

Daniel, the champion of the common fantasy loving youtube peasant

I used to be on Shelfari before having to move onto Goodreads and to be honest, though it was years ago, I still miss it.

Lol at this being your festive holiday video. You should check out BooksandLaLa's video of her reading Goodreads Best Thrillers of 2019. Just the first 15 minutes of so she goes into how Goodreads chooses and how much she hates their system. I think you would enjoy it.

I loove that opening😄❤️

im a simple woman. i see a video where daniel roasts goodreads, i watch it and SLAM the like button.