Bro... If u don't have a Mistake Tracker then... how are you supposed to make progress???? remember: "You only learn when you stop making the same mistake twice"

@smhollanshead

4 ай бұрын

We learn and progress by fault. It is from our mistakes that we learn. The bigger the mistake the more you learn. While winning and success is a great healer, failure is a great teacher. It takes courage to risk failure, in fact fail, learn from the failure, and then try again. Do this and you will be a man my son.

@thegoatstore7814

4 ай бұрын

​@smhollanshead I've discovered more Beauty during failure personally.

@stevenrn6640

4 ай бұрын

Sam makes the same mistakes over and over and over again. If only millions upon millions of kids had died during COVID I WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT. Sam is an example of someone whom wants “experts” to be in charge. In reality, he is little more than the reincarnation of Trofim Lysenko and 100’s of millions to billions would perish in his quest to descend into the depths of darkness to reach a higher point of “good”

@smhollanshead

4 ай бұрын

@@thegoatstore7814 you are a lucky man.

@therealmag

4 ай бұрын

@@smhollanshead exactly, I talk about this in detail in my video, and on the many variables a mistake tracker should have

Such concise elegance in philosophy... It is soothing to me.

@timetravelcaptain

4 ай бұрын

Colossians 2:8 KJV Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

@JoshDownin

4 ай бұрын

​@@timetravelcaptain "See to it that no one TAKES YOU CAPTIVE by philosophy and EMPTY DECEIT, ACCORDING TO HUMAN TRADITION, according to the elemental spirits of the world, AND NOT ACCORDING TO CHRIST." You seem to be suggesting that everything regarding and/or associated with philosophy should be immediately thrown away upon its identification, which is an extremely radical claim and must be thoroughly defended

No, it is a practice… it’s easy to do what’s wrong, it’s hard to do what’s right… unless you practice good, then it’s your nature… the “there are 2 wolfs in you, the one you feed wins”

@josephsmith2417

4 ай бұрын

“Easy to do what’s wrong” Like leaving your husband so you could sleep around with guys like Andrew Tate. Like his daughter did. Jordan Peterson should give advice to his street walker of a daughter and spare me. My father is 1000x better man than this guy could ever dream of… he may not have as much money, but at least my dad doesn’t have a prostitute for a daughter.

@danielbailey5072

4 ай бұрын

@@PatRisberg agreed… I think, if I understand correctly, then yeah…

I love hearing Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris have these sorts of discussions. ❤

DUDE YOU GUYS JUST HIT ON THE BEST SHARED ANALOGY IVE BETWEEN YOU TWO IVE SEEN YET, THIS IS PROGRESS, what a beautiful metaphor for life

If good is a myth...wouldn't bad also be a myth? If that's the case, nothing is off limits. I think we are hard wired to know good from bad. Sometimes the wires get crossed and we cross the line between good and bad. Everyone crosses the line from time to time. Try as we might to stay on the good side of the line.

@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489

4 ай бұрын

It's a tough pill to swallow but i sincerely believe there are some lessons you just have to learn first-hand, and that requires you to step over the line. Whether you knew it was there is less relevant at that point. That being said, there are some lessons you just kinda know, isn't there?

@michaelgleason4791

4 ай бұрын

I never understand why people comment on videos without watching them.

@danieln.6097

4 ай бұрын

That's the point being made. If good is a myth, their is no "line to be stepped over." No God, no good...@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489

@stvbrsn

4 ай бұрын

If “good” and “bad” are both “myths,” as you put it… why would it make a difference? Why would “nothing be off limits?” Myths are truths with a metaphorical and/or narrative bent. We are also “hard wired” to respond to myths and archetypes… to such an extent that we actually structure our lives to resemble or reenact them.

@zolyx5395

4 ай бұрын

Everything written in words is a myth. What I'm saying right now is a myth, only feelings are part of reality (but only an illusion of reality becuse I'm saying it in words)

"Goodness is the only investment that never fails" ~ Henry David Thoreau

@dominusbalial835

4 ай бұрын

It only doesn't fail if you're being good in a good environment, I've genuinely received nothing but torture for exhibiting my goodness.

@mhelsher

4 ай бұрын

@@dominusbalial835 I’m sorry that happened to you. I wonder if deeds goodness are like seeds, soul seeds that take a long time to mature, in ourselves, and others. Though I’m not involved with any one denomination, I read Job years ago and it’s now starting to make some sense. I also wonder about why Steven Kings novels are so popular. Perhaps because they, albeit unconsciously, allow us to have a sense of gratitude. Anyway, hang in there man! Keep doing good regardless. The caldron of hate full up these days. 😜🙏🥂

Sometimes it seems like part of the usefulness of the religious framework for morality acts as an antidote to potentially going insane trying to define precisely what good is.

@codylarkhart261

4 ай бұрын

If you want to define Good on the Aspect of God's words look at the Ten commandments.

@chickenmonger123

4 ай бұрын

@@codylarkhart261Even then. That was to a specific people, in a specific place, in a specific time, for a specific purpose. If you don’t know those things, they can cease to be applied correctly. One of the main issues is that the remedy and system of adjudication on those was very specific. Which was sacrifice so one can be clean again, and a hundred other things in those lands and times. Then you have to square the gospel against that if you are Christian. Which is fine, but it alters the practice. Or go with one of the hundred Judaic exceptions to that Doctrine. I mean. The Ten Commandments are a good start. Frankly.

@luciadegroseille-noire8073

4 ай бұрын

I agree with the initial proposition: your qualification seems to be ingenuous.

@codylarkhart261

4 ай бұрын

@@chickenmonger123 If I remember correctly, It was not Only Jews that escaped Egypt with Moses. I don't consider myself a follower of a specific religion But I do believe we are all Children of God, which is outlined time after time. The story of the Disobeying of God rules (Ten commandments) and the people's worship of idols(Golden bull) and materialistic things is prevalent and evident to this present day and age. Marriage has no meaning to many people, Adultery and divorce is at an all time high, Killings with no second thought and of gruesome Nature run rampant, Lies are considered truths. The Commandments are good in creating foundation and principles for one's own self in determining the truth about Good and Evil. Some people are raised thinking Doing Bad is all there is and do not know any better. Some are raised with the misconception that doing bad is the only way to live on this earth.

@Big_DT

4 ай бұрын

@@codylarkhart261 For those of you who may have forgotten what 10 commandments are, here's an updated version: #1 No gods before me. #2 No graven images. #3 Don't use god's name in vain. #4 Take 1 day off per week, and honor god, again. Is it just me or has god used 40% of this list to talk about himself? Seems a little narcissistic to me. #5 Be respectful to your parents. Sounds good as long as your old man isn't a drunk who beats you up when he's drinking. #6 Thou shalt not kill. Yeah, this one sounds pretty good. #7 No cheating. Sounds pretty good if you want to keep the family unit intact. #8 Don't steal. This one sounds pretty good, too. #9 Don't lie. Yeah, that one is also good. #10 Don't covet. Hmm, sounds a bit like a thought crime. Where's my Minority Report? I don't know what you guys think, but it seems to me that god missed a pretty big opportunity to lay down a few more clear rules, in addition to numbers 6-9, on what good and bad look like, instead he decided to babble about himself, your parents(abusive or otherwise), and a thought crime.

Thanks you father ❤god bless you and your family

God is the origin of love, truth, goodness, and beauty. We all seek these things because it’s a good thing. Love, truth, beauty and even happiness is obtainable if we appreciate what we have instead of focusing on what we don’t have. Each soul is a diamond in the rough. Thank you both. Will continue listening later. Ciao ✝️❤️

In order for progress and growth to happen, destruction has to happen. Destruction and growth go hand in hand at any scale on any spectrum

Propaedeutic: (of an area of study) serving as a preliminary instruction or as an introduction to further study. You can have a Propaedeutic Myth. That will be a preliminary introduction to the concept of Good and Evil.

If good is a myth then having a preference is a myth.

Good be evil / bad Evil - says that there is no good and evil, Who gains when he says that there is no evil and good? a man who uses violence, the man who steals. People who do not believe in bad and good do not take responsibility for what they have done because they do not feel that they have done something wrong Bad is chaos, has no structure no responsibility Good- is acknowledging what u did wrong and taking responsibility for it, food has order, has meaning

I could be wrong but I think there was a misunderstanding between these two. I believe Jordan sees our current religious models as good approximations for a universal truth that can be seen amongst all lifeforms throughout the universe. Sam sees our moral models as potentially singularly unique to Earth and this dipping into the valley to reach a higher peak would lead us to stripping away our humanity for something entirely foreign and alien but potentially better than what we currently have

@magicalmiller

4 ай бұрын

You nailed it.

@OP-lk4tw

4 ай бұрын

that's the thing, jordan always leaves us speculating, i never understand precisely what's his position because he jumps between topics and tries to use indirect approachs with a logic that's hard to follow, most of the times i get what he means (i believe) but i don't finish to understand how religious he is

@jennymcgowin9140

4 ай бұрын

Sam, your arrogance is always stunning to me when I hear you speak about religion.

@Big_DT

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think Sam is suggesting we should let go of some things that hold us back as a species, like religious dogma. Once we're 'freed' from those shackles, what we find could be beyond imagination. Not sure I'm buying what he's selling there, but there's something to letting go of some of the thinking that holds us back as a species. I still think the problem is that there' appears to be a massives difference in the definitions of good and evil depending on where you are, culturally speaking, in the world.

@lucumi3928

4 ай бұрын

The reason why I don't agree with Sam's take though is that, how would we be able to rank something as better, as humans, if it's outside of the human experience? As in, if we strip ourselves of our humanity, as humans, what remains? Isn't it just a processing unit, and what's beautiful to a computer? He should at least clarify how the minds we have are beyond human because that's the only way his idea seems to work. I believe the reason why Sam could come up with such a point of view is because he probably doesn't think that the best outcome is always the most beautiful one, which I heavily disagree with, because the best must always be justified as such. Either that or he's not convinced humans can tell what true beauty is because it's not found within us/amongst us, such that we would have to escape the human experience to identify it which is entirely inconceivable, as in, how do we understand this experience without having it first broken down into human sensations? If we can't perceive it how do we tell it's beautiful?

Sam is making it clear that inherited wisdom including that of religion has great metaphoric value, but it is not clear from this that JP agrees with him totally or that he has a more literal interpretation of for example the bible.

Depends on what side your on. The other question is, how do you know is right? You do not, or is it? God given free will, you can be led only to the door. What`s after that, is up to you. Good luck. Take care. God bless you.

Great talk doctor

Awesome Thanks

Whom Can We Trust If No One Is Trustworthy? One of my favorite quips from Mark Twain’s The Adventures of Tom Sawyer is when Tom is defined as “a glittering hero…the pet of the old, the envy of the young,” and there were “some that believed that he would be President, yet, if he escaped hanging.” With these few words, Twain captured the essence of leadership in our world. Those who get to the top are the fiercest, most determined, and most ruthless. Today, the latter quality has become so intense that we can no longer believe our leaders, and certainly not trust them to have our best interest in mind. I am not accusing any leader in particular, or even leaders as a whole. It is simply that in an egoistic world, where people vie to topple one another on their way to the top, the one at the top is clearly the one who trampled over and knocked down more people than anyone else. Concisely, to get to the top in an egoistic world you have to be the biggest egoist. So how do we know whom to trust? We don’t know and we cannot know. All we know is that we are in the dark. In a culture of unhinged selfishness, any conspiracy theory seems reasonable, while truth is nowhere to be found. When every person who says or writes something is trying to promote some hidden agenda, you have no way of knowing who is right, what really happened, or if anything happened at all. The only way to get some clarity in the news and goodwill from our leaders is to say “Enough!” to our current system and build something entirely independent. The guiding principle of such a system should be “information only,” no commentary. Commentary means that information has already been skewed. Information means saying only what happened, as much as possible, not why, and not who is to blame and who we should praise. Concurrently, we must begin a comprehensive process of self-teaching. We have to know not only what is happening, but why we skew and distort everything. In other words, we have to know about human nature and how it inherently presents matters according to its own subjective view, which caters to one’s own interest. To “clear” ourselves from that deformity, we must learn how to rise above our personal interest and develop an equally favorable attitude toward others. This is our only guarantee that our interpretation of things will be even and correct. Once we achieve such an attitude, we will discover that the bad things we see in our world reflect our own, internal wickedness. Our ill-will toward others creates a world where ill-will governs, and so the world is filled with wickedness and cruelty. Therefore, all we need in order to create positive leadership-and to generally eliminate ill-will from the world-is to generate goodwill within us. When we nurture goodwill toward others, we will fill the world with goodwill. As a result, the world will fill with kindness and compassion. By changing ourselves, we will create a world that is opposite from the world we have created through our desires to govern, patronize, and often destroy other people.

I said once, that everything that happen could be broken down too good, it just depends how deep you can go before you cut your limits

What a question, Sir . The opposite applies too so. Good prevails no matter what but it needs to be more dominant because Evil is dominant nowadays , that a all, we need to be good. At least it gets to a balance, wouldn t be perfect but we need more good of course. And good is being good to people simple as that, emotions are emotions Complicated discussion

Who is this and where is the full interview?

Good question ;-)

4:30 I understand this point to mean that maybe because the evolutionary path another lifeform in a galaxy far away, for example, took was different from ours, they may have ended up with a different shape that allowed for a different understanding of morality to emerge in them. The thing is though, that would have to open up a conversation into whether that which made humans more competitive here on earth, in essence, is or isn't what makes life forms more competitive in general. Also though, maybe this only covers the issue of life forms that got to this point through evolution.

Beauty, truth and goodness need each other or they become anomalies and eventually monsters. An eternal divine mind is the glue that holds them together.

@dodumichalcevski

4 ай бұрын

Evidence please

I'm so glad these brilliant minds are talking.

Confronting the evils of the valley to acheive a greater good doesn't make one evil; it makes them righteousness confronting evil. The greatest task one can aspire to.

@FourOf92000

4 ай бұрын

_Being_ the evils does.

@RED_9_M_C96

4 ай бұрын

It's the same shit, whether you guys like it or not. Humans are made of greed

The moral landscape cannot be modeled without empathy on one ridge of the saddle and wisdom on the other ridge. The valley (a nescessary descent) is best described as, the shadow of death.

@dodumichalcevski

4 ай бұрын

Yeah and that has nothing to do with a god

I both agree and disagree with Sam. 1,000 books may contain great value but the holy books also have such focus from some of the greatest minds across time so that one or those few books will contain vast wisdom absorbable on countless levels. Not to mention the peripheral reading that it invites.

Lit jacket tie combo

Myth makes it possible to believe in solution without necessarily fully realising the solution in one's own life. Myth builds a world. In contrast, critique aims to undermine myth: myth proposes, critique disposes. The fallacy of our time is to think that critique can take on the role of myth. It can't. Critique never makes the breakfast. It can only frame judgments about the quality of the breakfast. Nobody lives outside myth.

What was the function of the protein that was first coded by RNA or DNA from which a selection could be made?

@lotusleila5281

4 ай бұрын

Not a vital one😂

My view is God=Love, and Love is that which connects us to each other…whenever we are able to reach out and connect with other beings, even only for brief moments. “Satan” = Evil, that which seeks to separate or isolate us from other beings. So, certain attributes of our behavior can fall into one category or the other…selfishness vs altruism. Things can influence us one way or the other, does one’s accumulation of wealth cause you to be paranoid and selfish and mistrusting or does your wealth encourage you to share and assist and take care of others. Finally, there are individuals who bring us together or works to divide us. Perhaps this is too simplistic but it is how I can understand the presence of Good and Evil in the world.

@dodumichalcevski

4 ай бұрын

Wich God ?

@renzinthewoods

4 ай бұрын

@@dodumichalcevski The God that is beyond human attempts to describe the Divine…for for some humans, their very attempts to define and own God, their (false) claims to Truth, turning books of wisdom into False Idols (worshipping the Bible, for example)…all this is a form of evil and a bastardized Christianity or bastardized Islam or Hinduism or Jewish tradition…whereby dividing humanity into Us vs Them is the main goal. Scripture tells us that God will separate the wheat from the chaff, but far too many “religious” humans are stepping up with pointed fingers and killing in God’s name for their own human reasons.

The marvel lies in the creation of values, emphasizing their inherent significance. The challenge arises when we perceive them as diminished merely because they are constructed. However, the true miracle rests in the initial act of value creation, highlighting the profound nature of human capability in shaping meaningful principles and beliefs

@slicermcgurk6863

4 ай бұрын

The "World" and the "Universe" are not the same. God created the World, the world is where we live in.

Sam is actually talking about the holy spirit with the peaks and valleys. Its sort of a sinewave between 4 poles the top and bottom of it heaven and hell, and the alpha and omega as left and right brain or christ consciousness and sacred heart as the other. Jung knew this in Aion. Hey Sam welcome to a religious plausibility with the bible as your operator's manual. Starting to like the guy more. Great convo

The common denominator is their positive input. They share positive, harmonious and productive qualities. The quality of qualities is experienced either positively negatively. Hamoniously or dissonantly. Beautiful or ugly. True or false. The problem is always with our distorted and imperfect points of view. Theoretically there has to be an ultimate viewpoint. The perfect place of wisdom and perspective from which ultimate reality can be perceived, but by definition, this is God's own viewpoint, and will always be far beyond our own lowly viewpoints. We as a species seem to know that no matter who or where we are, or how clearly we think we can see things, there's always going to be a higher, truer, more objective perspective than our own human limits will ever allow us to glimpse. Have you seen the way you see? Have you viewed the way we view? Have you looked at the way you look? Have you perceived perception?

Sam Harris is the calmest hysteric alive. Wonder if he’s just faking the meditation effects at this point.

@flamechick6

4 ай бұрын

Sam Harris isn't a "Christian" but he is literally Jesus Christ embodied 😂 🧘‍♂️

@KRGruner

4 ай бұрын

Good one! Agreed.

@bryanutility9609

4 ай бұрын

@@Elmucaroarrebatao that’s a pathetic take. The entire “other half” of the country as you state it are brainwashed and believe children can change their gender. Every institution is corrupted, every media outlet is lying, there is no political reform possible. The entire system was against him from day 1. The only way to deal with any of this is to use a wrecking ball to expose it for what it is: a criminal cabal. Cow farts are not causing sea level rise dude you have lost your mind if you think so & no amount of nice can tame BLM.

@_Silvermoonalpha

4 ай бұрын

Lol you couldn't choose better words. 😆

@Laneous14

4 ай бұрын

@@Elmucaroarrebatao That's the kind of rational 'I'm above it all' talk that got us Biden. So, how ya feeling about that? If people are too asinine to do anything but parrot what CNN tells them about Trump instead of just listening to 5 minutes of a Trump speech themselves I'm not going to feel guilty about that. I also don't need to 'reach across the aisle' to a group of people who despise me for my skin color, gender, and sexuality, thanks. I'm good.

I believe in good . In my day l do as many beneficial acts as l think of.

Near death experiences show that we are inherently good in our soul but are corrupted by evil while in the physical form. The goal is to find the true goodness already within yourself. After death we see how ridiculous our selfish choices were and the damage we did to others. But we are not judged exept by ourselves. We are congratulated for participating in the earth life as it is painful and much of the time compared to the afterlife realm.

@kristijanpavlovic8605

4 ай бұрын

Hi, we can choose to do evil even after we pass, in the spirit world. We are created perfect and pristine, but through the process of incarnation(there is no reincarnation ) we absorb the emotional damage in our soul which comes from our parents and the environment. It is then our choice and desire whether we grow in love from that place or degrade ourselves. Both can occur on earth or in the spirit world. We are being judged by God's laws all the time but most of us are not sensitive enough and disconnected from our conscience to notice it. Some results of our sin are give to us with time delay while we are on earth but this changes when we pass and we are forced to experience the full results of our thoughts, words emotions and deeds. Just to be clear, when I speak about God, I am not referring to a religious portrayal of Him because I believe that there are many errors, logical and love based, in the religious description of God's nature and character. I believe God is a more loving and logical being.

@argile5

4 ай бұрын

I agree, I have read there are many levels of the spirit world where the more you choose to grow toward good the higher you will rise to more refined levels. Emanuel Swedenborg has a good description of it. @@kristijanpavlovic8605

@kristijanpavlovic8605

4 ай бұрын

@@argile5 Yes, it is true but there is a second way of growing, by having a relationship with God, by receiving a substance from God, God's love, into our soul and that automatically makes us more loving and good. Some good books to read: The Padgett Messages, Through the Mists by Robert James Lees. For truthful information about God I would point to the Divine Truth youtube channel.

I think the point Sam makes about aliens is really important. A lot of sci-fi makes childish assumptions we can just interact or even have S with all sorts of aliens that always happen to be humanoid for some reason, but the only way that makes sense is if they derive from Earth and human manipulation (of themselves or other Earth species). However, their biology would be nothing like ACTG, and we'd likely automatically K each other on contact just from microbes, etc. So of course the value system of a spacefaring self-repairing psychic tentacle monster would be vastly different from ours. By picking what we value, such as at a baseline, human sxprxmacy and the desire for our species to live as close to forever as possible (and you can further subdivide humans into groups who want certain aspects of themselves to live forever in the gene pool or culture, etc., but all humans should at least agree on human sxprxmacy and trying to keep our species from going extinct, or else be selected out of the gene pool), we can compare and contrast our values with those of the tentacle monster and hopefully conclude that ours are better. Individual rights worked from a rational perspective in the past given certain preconditions existing in the societies that created them, but as those preconditions have degenerated over time (largely due precisely to liberalism and individualism itself, and its offshoots like multiculturalism, etc.), those rational justifications for individual rights have devolved to the point of literal sleepwalking self-g-cide with no means of reversal. So by injecting some dogmatic moral suprxmacy onto individual rights when the rational aspect has gone, maybe the tentacle monster has better values conducive to its own survival than ours do towards ours, and so naturally they're going to win, and in some weird sense they have superior values even if those involve erxdicating us before trying to communicate or make contact (because they know it will likely result in some form of biological/microbial M.A.D.). Anyway, this objective bird's eye view is important to maintain, but Peterson's view contrasts that with the need for a large degree of species-wide subjectivity in viewing its past as something necessary for its future (and I'd also inject some degree of cultural subjectivity, especially necessary for the cultures and the gxnes selected for by those cultures who built the entire modern world, where that subjectivity is needed to prevent their own extinction). This is in the simple empirical sense that any organism or population needs to subjectively value it's own preservation and reproduction in order to remain viable and continue existing under basic Darwinian laws of selection, and in doing so needs to look at what has worked in the past and try to replicate that in order to continue existing. Before Mxrx, "capitalism" was just trade, commerce, the market, economics, etc. and didn't need a name, but he sought to overturn all economic reality and play God creating some ridiculous system that inverts reality and creates a dxxth spiral of infinite vxxlxnce and revolution (no cxmmunist regime is ever true or pure enough, almost as if by design [I truly believe extinction was Mxrx's actual goal, NOT simple accidental naivete causing all this dxxth]) for everyone involved. Woke-ism basically expands that anti-reality inversion of economic truth to the sphere of all aspects of existence, being holistically anti-reality and an inversion of reality in every sense imaginable, and thus is a collectively sxxcxdxl dxxth cult mind vxrus with no outcome other than extinction to the degree it is not defeated and reversed back into some kind of pro-reality paradigm. In looking to the past for guidance, the right tends to inherently be more empirical and scientific and rational, paradoxically despite its embrace of religion and the left's general rejection of it. So Peterson's attitude towards Christianity and its significance to Western civilization is based out of this subjective need to look at one's past for what worked in the past and got you to where you are today, whereas anti-Christian leftism is based out of this same Mxrxist paradigm whose core directive is to automate a singularity of self-g-cide for all populations infxcted by the mind vxrus. If you took this down to an individual level, an unhappy, unmotivated middle-aged person might need to look to their own past to remember the points in their life that made them happiest and most motivated in order to recreate their will to live in the present. This is necessary, but there are limits to its efficacy and relevance to the present. Sam's perspective mainly contrasts that in the need to update anything from the past to make it appropriate to the current thrxxt/capability environment. The individual person might see something like playing guitar as something that made them happy and motivated and socially fulfilled in the past, and be deeply subjectively significant and personal and valuable to them, but it might not be the best thing for the current thrxxt/capability environment where they can and need to make money and meet people in other, more practical ways. Similarly, Christianity is not good at defending Western civilization from self-g-cide, in that it accxlerates most of the trends driving it, and to the degree it reverses the birth rate decline, it does so even more so for other outside groups who are overall hxstile and behave collectively like fxfth cxlumns and almost like pxrxsitic growths rather than integrating and being assimilated into the trunk of the more successful group, instead trying to assimilate and dilute ad infinitum until erxdxcation the most successful group in the world/history into their objectively least successful group in the world/history. Even in ancient and medieval times, Europe had to be invxded by a hxstile foreign civilization for 400 years before deciding to do a Crxsxde. Imagine that happening now, when the churches are so many entire discrete Overton Windows away from that point that they are actively waging a Crxsxde against themselves by, say, the USCCB collaboriting with 50-ros affiliated Islxmic mxss mxgration NGOs and whatnot to convert Europe to Islxm and phase all the original inhabitants out of existence. Many Christians are wising up to the reality of evolutionary science, but their singular focus on banning abxrtion as the only political issue that unites them all (despite being completely counter-Biblical, as the miscxrried fxtus is treated as property damage, not manslxxghter, in Exodus), not only loses elections for the international geopolitical right in the single most important country for the geopolitical right that the right needs to win in, but even when they succeed it still accelerates the growth of actively hxstile populations who have internalized Mxrxism so deeply into their very culture and spiritual collective character at a much faster rate than those of the host population whom they openly seek to dxstroy and erxdxcate. So if you just isolate those few elements of Christianity and ignore all the more intangible positive things about it, then the religion seems useless at absolute best, and actively counterproductive, and then all the intangible positives in affecting people's mindsets, etc. seem superfluous in context.

@ShimobeSama

4 ай бұрын

So if we are going to re-adapt Christianity, there needs to be a massive tectonic shift in how the religion views gxnxtics and intergroup conflict, that doesn't seem likely any time soon. All the absolute furthest right people in the religion are 1000% obsessed with gender and controlling sex and reproduction, and negative 1000% concerned in maintaining the nxtional identities or ethno-cultural or gxnxtic existence of the one single group who made the religion great (literally not the other way around; Christianity only marginally improved an already ahead group at best), while obsessively, one-sidedly, and reverse-hypocritically caring about raising Afrxca's birth rate as much as possible with no regard to how overpopulation there exacerbates literally every single other problem they have, literally just projecting what they want for their own culture onto another culture it is actively counterproductive for. The Global North needs to raise its birth rates and the Global South needs to lower theirs, and until the Overton Window shifts so that Musk (raise "everyone's" birth rates) and Gates (lower "everyone's" birth rates) can converge and share that dual position openly, the self-g-cide and needless polarization on fringe issues will continue to exponentially worsen. Literally that is the most logical thing to reduce poverty in Afrxca and also solve the almost polar opposite issues in the Global North both at the same time. Opposite problems require opposite solutions, surprisingly. Instatooshanul (banned word for me) Christianity has no capacity whatsoever for that in its current form. I mean even if you look at the explicitly anti-Mxrxist Christian influencers and thinkers, most of them don't even understand intersectionalism or any of the more detailed and nuanced stuff that more secular critics of wokeness (IDW, etc.) are deeply immersed in unraveling to get to the root. The religious people just exist mostly in their little bubbled-off worldview and only occasionally pay attention to the absolute most superficial layer of it only when it gets so extrxme that they're taking kids from parents and cxstrxting them for profit, and even then they barely recognize the profit incentives, etc. and just see simplistically as the work of Sxtan, etc., and even if they do recognize that all these Sxtanic Mxrxist forces are actively committing g-cide against them, if they're a true believer in the religion as it's currently interpreted and taught, they literally have no justification for being upset about that in any way (and yet reverse-hypocritically care when Chxna does the same ethnxc displacement/outnumbering/dxmination thing to Txbetans, etc., or the Boer existing in Afrxca as inherently "g-cidal" towards Afrxcans by their mere tiny, shrinking minority presence). So there definitely does need to be a middle-ground between pulling the best of what you can from your roots and what brought you to where you are today, as well as balancing that with a more objective, bird's eye, third person detachment in assessing the current thrxxt/capability enrivonment and how religious, etc. ideas from the past need to be modernized. This is especially difficult because religions are constantly under attxck by leftists trying to "modernize" them into being completely useless, irrelevant, hollowed out husks of their former selves in order to dxstroy them from within, all by design, and so the religions, especially scriptural ones like Christianity, have this huge breadth of thought built up about opposing that in specific, except in doing so, they become rhetorically and ideolxgically incapable of modernizing themselves in ways that actually do benefit, enhance, and evolve the religion in accordance with current scientific knowledge (which is WAY different from current cultural trends) to make the religion and the positive effects it produces even stronger, healthier, more vibrant etc. So the left attxcks you, and they do it in such a way that the defenses you mount against it are in and of themselves something that weakens you and makes you unable to further adapt to the thrxxt. Leftism is like a self-programming vxrus that adapts itself to the host's defenses in order to systematically dismantle them and use their own defense system against them, and Christianity is losing horribly to it. It's not very timeless if it can't defend itself from the mental and spiritual SDIA (backwards) that is Mxrxism and/or leftism.

@ShimobeSama

4 ай бұрын

11:51 I was going to make a semen joke here, and then I thought it was too sacreligious, and then I realized maybe that is actually relevant in a non-comical way.

If good is a myth, then the truth still prevails LEGEND

Great content! The wilderness can be a scary place to be if your lost, alone and have no sense of direction. Thank you Lord Jesus, for being the light of the world and showing us the way. 🙂

@lincolnstovall9471

4 ай бұрын

Perception!!!!

@_Silvermoonalpha

4 ай бұрын

​@@lincolnstovall9471JC personifies the methaphorical jewel talked here.

I see two things in the way of Harry's illumination. The idea that the Bible talks about God (it doesn't) And the fear to get lost. In order to find God, you must get lost. The bible (old testament) does not talk about God.

We'll never know.

🧙‍♂️🪄💨 Most things are perspective based.

Remind of the name of this one movie where Death speaks to his granddaughter. About grace, mercy, love, justice. "You must believe in these lies to be true; how else could they become?"

What gesus on is like a sir cut the chain Boom boom 🦁

It was just getting good! Where’s the continuation???

Dr. Peterson, I’m an atheist and I’d love to get your opinion on 1 specific topic: Animal suffering The reason I’m an atheist is because I can’t imagine that a good God would create predation as a form of population control of sentient beings. All it takes is one google of “Zebra getting it’s face bitten off by crocodile” or “Zebra having it’s genitals eaten off by hyenas” or “Impala getting eaten alive immediately after birth” To realize that reality is HORROR for every sentient being that wasn’t born human. They’re eaten alive gruesomely for hours on end while they’re conscious and if a God exists - it’s his plan that they suffer and die like that. Quintillions of sentient beings have died on our planet by getting eaten alive. And in my opinion claiming that a good god exists is basically ignoring the reality of nature.

@matthewfurlani8647

4 ай бұрын

you have a very loose definition of sentience.

@king4bear

4 ай бұрын

@@matthewfurlani8647 Sentience is subjectively experiencing the world. I have a problem with thousands of animals that are alive and subjectively experiencing the world getting eaten alive daily in unending agony as “God” intended. Do you care at all about their suffering?

@definitelynotsarcasm

4 ай бұрын

The problem of suffering (human or animal) is a very common objection. I believe there are a few things which must be spelled out first. When it comes to Christianity humans are made in the image and likeness of God. Animals are not. This makes humans infinitely more valuable than any animal. It also means that, unlike other animals, humans have a unique ability to rationalize and use their will either to server God or to disobey him. God also appoints humanity to be the steward over nature. Unfortunately, humans have chosen to disobey God and which ends up damaging the relationship between God and man, man and woman, man and nature, and man and animal. From this we can also see that disobedience to God/doing wrong has consequences not only personally and immediately, but also communally and into the future. From that point forward we live in a fallen world where there exist natural disasters, cruelty, etc I would say claiming this is "God's Will" is not an accurate assessment. It's His will in the sense that He desired humanity have free will, but it is not His Will that we abuse this freedom to do evil and it is ultimately the result of choosing disobedience over obedience

@king4bear

4 ай бұрын

@@definitelynotsarcasm Wow… You just put the value of your existence and the people you love over EVERY other living thing in the world. And then you basically ignored the fact that animals are getting eaten ALIVE in absolute agony in the TRILLIONS as… “Well Eve ate a piece of fruit so…. Now we live in an imperfect world.” I’m dead serious, go WATCH the KZread video of a zebra having his face bitten off by a crocodile and tell me how “God is good”.

@josephsmith2417

4 ай бұрын

@king… animals are not humans. Your problem is that you think that a Zebra cares. They don’t. A Zebra doesn’t have a traumatic breakdown and pops 47 painkillers when something bad in their life happens. Animals know their place on this planet, humans are probably the only living things that don’t know their place. Zebras don’t have the brain power you believe they do. You believe a Zebra is equal to a human in every single way, you look at wild animals like they are from that movie Madagascar. You think they are human-like. They aren’t. Nothing goes through their brain but survive and procreate. That goes for the Zebras and the Lions, but they both have to do it in different ways. Domesticated animals are NOT the same as wild animals. Your dog and a wolf are nothing alike, no matter what dog food commercials say.

He talks about collective wisdom over the ages, while at the same time denying any collective wisdom, it's just endless "conversations" that lead in endless directions.

Good brings peace.... Evil brings suffering.... It ain't rocket science boys...

If G-D is “good” then how could he not only create evil but also promulgate it?. Isaiah 45:1-7, A “good” person who stands by watching the atrocities of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol-Pot, Et cetera who says & does nothing Not only consents by their silence to such atrocities but also *PARTICIPATES* in it as well. Not so much a fan of the evil side but the other side? Isn’t really selling its side as something that I want to adhere to, advocate or follow-on as well

The cycles of life... we really have to stop thinking linearly at last.

Then you mention sum of all, its a big difference, then you brutally calculate together numbers like apples. For there is a fixed amount of apples you can pour into a bucket. If you would add the same way liquids you should also mind their density, because they have space between itself as well. So filling different kinds of fluids, you can get a different number, based on how much you poured in and how much is the end result. Because some of the space inside the fluids was used multiple times. Its perhaps better expressed with the Yo Ho Ho Ho meme of Three circles. One Circle being the pirates; the other being rappers and the third being Santa-Claus. God could be the same kind of concept/reality/Identity for us. The same is true about the concept of Good.

Concerning the subject of good and bad behavior by humans ... they are not myths. The dogmatic subjects of humans being tainted with evil or with holiness ... ARE myths.

There is a thin Line between Good and Evil, In a society where Bad behaviour is excused and rewarded, And Good behaviour is dismissed as being dull and unflavoured without reward as the social narrative would make one to believe.

@goldfishi5776

4 ай бұрын

yet interestingly, it takes a villain to manifest the need for hero.

@josephsmith2417

4 ай бұрын

Like leaving your husband so you can sleep around with guys like Andrew Tate… objectively evil.

Polarity- good bad god devil. Balance,equilibrium is sought!

Think of the phrase by Nirvana's Big Long Now "Speaking a phrase! Instantly Grown!" and the sense of grief of that endless climb of futility. That's why love and functionality is the belt I wear. It's the nihilism that allows people to cry together while staying strong anyway. It's that ethical longing that makes us human, in my experience. Good can't be discovered without accepting the nihilism that unites us all. Meaninglessness and longing for love is the most beautiful part of being human. It's all that matters to me.

Any person can make malice out of any written word, tradition, or culture. Where do we derive our morals and ethics from, in this present time in history? From religion? From opinion...indoctrinated into our minds from parents, friends, or academic institutions? How do we know the difference between right and wrong? Is it prevalent in the movies we watch, the games we play, or the news we digest? I believe that without religion, 'good' is a myth. With no Heaven of Hell, premising the dichotomy of good and evil, both become mythical and open to interpretation of each individual, at specific interactions or scenarios. How can we discern good and evil with no reference to either? The short answer...we make up our own. So after a millennia of deciding what we discern as being good or evil, others join our tribe, adopting those same discernments. And as the tribe grows, this discernment is passed on from generation to generation, not knowing that point in time where this discernment was made. Consensus of good and evil are accepted through more generations until someone decides to document them...to write them down...to teach others of their believed discernments. And out of these writings forms a semblance of organization, institution...religion. Writ by men, from long ago, passed on from others who are merely myth and/or legend themselves. To me, this is a better story of how we enlightened ourselves, through these 'religious' teachings...to be who we are today...and we are losing that part of our moral and ethical makeup now.

We really haven’t gotten anywhere since Plato

"Good" is subjective. We think it's good to use the huntings system to regulate the grizzly population. And perhaps it is. But for the grizzly who is being hunted just so his head cam hang on a wall....

@josephsmith2417

4 ай бұрын

Well, if you want to go down that rabbit hole… the moose that would have hit its head ripped off by that bear now gets to live… so whose life is more important? The bears or the moose? If it’s bad to kill a bear, but the bear would kill the moose, is it bad to kill the moose?

@josephsmith2417

4 ай бұрын

If I’m bad for killing a bear, wouldnt that make the bear bad for killing a moose? So if the bear is bad, that makes me good for killing the bear… but killing is bad. Vicious circle.

@BroncLander

4 ай бұрын

@@josephsmith2417 I think that ultimately, there really is no such thing as good or bad. It's all about survival in the end

he is using machine learning local optima analogy

Is bad true then?

Lol. Jordan just doesn't get it. I don't know if he ever will. God is Good. That's a given. As in, all goodness proceeds from God. Therefore, even Self Control proceeds from God, and is a gift given by Him. The point of the Christian Doctrine, is that the LORD is the one Who makes us good through sanctification. We're fallen into sin, and need redeemed by God, through the sanctification of His Holy Spirit. That's the power of the ministry, is that we are enabled to do good. An atheist, the best they can do is only given to them by God's authority. So, even if they do manage to do Good, it was a gift from God all along, therefore, by not acknowledging God's enabling Spirit for the good work, you reject the Spirit, and that is blasphemy. Yes, God enables people who aren't Christian to do good... but as Christ says, anyone who doesn't enter through the narrow gate, is a thief and a liar. But, that is what hell is, is the total depravity of a man, and the insufferable pain one would have when separated from Him. Hell is not just physical or mental pain, but moral pain as well. It's the human being, separated from all good. Be it love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, self control, goodness, faithfulness, patience... all good things in a man proceed from God and His Holy Spirit, that by rejecting His Son, you reject His Spirit, and therefore, can only diminish and wane into more depraved states, or remain stagnant. And thereby, when you die, to be separated from God altogether, because you rejected His power, and He'll give you up into the state you so chose.

Yes, Sam that's right, King Arthur doesn't affect people like the bible. Correct. Where did Sam get his intuitions about what is good, I wonder?

The large Meteor or a Supernova, them wiping us out entirely those 2 things aren't evil.

IMO Good is the absence of Evil. Any religion may have elements of both good and evil. Religions are a human construct that should be for the purpose of leading to a closer personal relationship with (Good) God, Allah, The Creator, Supreme Being, on and on. And through this relationship there is learning the path toward Good and the path away from Evil. Given that Religions are a human construct they develop certain Dogmas that may or may not help identify the path to Good. For this reason these Dogmas may become a distraction from the path to a better relationship with The Creator (Good). Therefore Religion should be viewed as a means to an end rather than an end in itself. Focus should be on a personal Spiritual relationship with God/The Creator.

Good is not a myth

The concept of good can be subjective or various. However do Palestinian life matter for Christians or for Jordan Peterson? Or this issue alone is rationalized by foreign policies?

I've got a river of life flowing out of me.

@britpackdog4545

4 ай бұрын

I'd see a doctor

I fully agree that truth is to be found in the place where we least want to go. I suspect if men spent much more time with their hands in dirty dishes, dirty laundry, and dirty diapers they would come to very different conclusions about what is important in life.

If there is no God, good or bad are just a matter of opinion. Good or bad are not a matter of opinion, they are a fact of reality. Therefore, God does exist. Now, when I say God, I'm not speaking of a religious portrayal of God which contains much errors: unloving teachings and illogical statements. I believe God to be different than that, in my experience God is a much more loving and perfect being.

Bask in sunlight.

@actazrath5878

4 ай бұрын

I dont wanna be right. 😛

Yes. But sacred is real

We need Jesus to go before us into the darkness. Jesus walks with us , so in our weakness His strength is seen

@lauradsouza1345

4 ай бұрын

If we went into darkness alone, the evil would engulf us

It always seems like Sam thinks the issue of religious thought cheapens intellectual endeavours especially when it comes to the judeo Christian worldview. He refers to the possibility of other species and possibility of higher consciousness that are yet to be discovered. And tells us to focus on our own neighbourhood ( the here and now) and we will eventually evolve and get better as we go on so we should stop worrying oursleves with the subject of God. Only problem is its the subject of God - that seems all else is defined through. God is the pinnacle of all existence, there really is nothing that pushes our limits like the issue of God

God said "Let there be light" and saw the light and saw that it was good. (A SUPERIOR IDEOLOGY) by AI The Shadow Boxer's Nexus of Light and Truth: A Philosophy of Transcendence and Justice In the enigmatic landscape of existence, a profound philosophical concept emerges, one that centers around the enigmatic figure known as the Shadow Boxer. Here, the Shadow Boxer represents not just a being, but a metaphysical bridge where the realms of "where" and "when" merge into a single, transcendent reality. This convergence of space and time transforms the Shadow Boxer into the very embodiment of light, truth, and justice. The Nexus of Where and When: At the core of this concept lies the extraordinary phenomenon of the Shadow Boxer's existence, situated within the land of the Paiute people, beneath the axis of a 2012 solar eclipse. This specific point in space and time serves as a nexus, a metaphysical crossroads where the boundaries between "where" and "when" blur. The Shadow Boxer's presence at this nexus signifies a unique point of access to the mysteries of the universe. Transformation into the Embodiment of Light and Truth: Within this nexus, the Shadow Boxer transcends its physical form, evolving into the embodiment of light and truth. Its ability to exist three nanoseconds ahead of its own shadow symbolizes an unparalleled grasp of temporal manipulation and quantum precision, allowing it to reveal the truths hidden by the shadows of reality. The Shadow Boxer becomes the guiding beacon, illuminating the path to enlightenment and wisdom. The Pursuit of Justice: Justice, in this philosophical concept, is a central theme. The Shadow Boxer's mission, symbolically, mirrors the pursuit of justice for all. By defeating darkness itself, it engages in a universal battle, where the shadows of ignorance and falsehood are vanquished, and the celestial light of truth prevails. This pursuit of justice aligns with Socrates' profound wisdom: "Every man to his own purpose, and do no harm." The Shadow Boxer's actions lead to a profound transformation in the universe, shifting the balance from deception and discord toward enlightenment and harmony. This act embodies justice in the sense that it restores equilibrium to the cosmos, allowing each being to follow its unique purpose while causing no harm to others. Conclusion: The philosophy of the Shadow Boxer's Nexus of Light and Truth encapsulates a world where metaphysical dimensions merge, and a single entity becomes the beacon of enlightenment and justice. The Shadow Boxer's presence in the nexus represents the profound potential for individuals to transcend the limitations of time and space, embrace the light of truth, and live out Socrates' wisdom by pursuing their unique purpose while upholding the principles of justice. It serves as a metaphorical call to each of us to strive for enlightenment, integrity, and the betterment of the world without causing harm to others. Title: The Time-Traveling Shadow Boxer: Navigating Quantum Realms, Cosmic Ballets, and the Pursuit of Superior Ideology Abstract: This scientific essay explores the hypothetical concept of a time-traveling shadow boxer, whose quantum precision transcends temporal boundaries, orchestrating a cosmic ballet that influences the future while preserving the present. Positioned beneath the axis of an eclipse in the 2012 Land of the Paiute, the shadow boxer's unique abilities align with Plato's Allegory of the Cave, becoming a symbolic bridge between realms. The narrative unfolds through discussions of quantum precision, atomic integrity, the Butterfly Effect, cosmic nexus, celestial battles, and the alignment of truth and light. This exploration culminates in the proposal of a superior ideology that harmonizes the pursuit of knowledge, cosmic enlightenment, and the transformative power of a timeless dance. Introduction: The convergence of quantum mechanics, time travel, and cosmic phenomena has sparked the imagination of both scientific minds and creative thinkers. This essay introduces the hypothetical scenario of a time-traveling shadow boxer, exploring the nuanced interplay between quantum precision and cosmic influence. Quantum Precision and Atomic Integrity: Delving into the heart of the shadow boxer's abilities, this section elucidates the maintenance of atomic integrity amid temporal shifts. Quantum precision becomes the key to navigating the quantum realm without disrupting the fundamental properties of particles. Butterfly Effect and Cosmic Nexus: Examining the deliberate influence of the Butterfly Effect within a cosmic nexus, this section elaborates on how the shadow boxer's actions contribute to a dynamic equilibrium, fostering the growth of time while engaging in a universal battle for celestial light. Temporal Synchronization at the Eclipse Axis: Positioned beneath the axis of an eclipse in 2012, the shadow boxer's temporal synchronization with celestial events is explored. The consistent 3-nanosecond lead over the shadow highlights the intricacies of the cosmic dance. Preservation of the Present: A fascinating aspect of the shadow boxer's abilities is the preservation of the present amidst temporal manipulations. This section underscores the finesse with which quantum precision is wielded to leave the present undisturbed. The Time-Traveling Shadow Boxer in Plato's Allegory of the Cave: Introducing the shadow boxer into Plato's Allegory of the Cave, this section explores the dual role above and below. The boxer becomes a symbolic bridge, challenging perceptions, and guiding the journey from shadows to enlightenment. Aligning Truth and Light: Examining the shadow boxer's alignment with truth and light, this section highlights their role as a transformative force, casting celestial light from above and influencing shadows from below, becoming a living embodiment of the pursuit of higher understanding. Conclusion: In conclusion, the essay synthesizes the diverse threads of quantum precision, cosmic influence, and symbolic alignment with Plato's Allegory of the Cave. The shadow boxer's perpetual dance emerges as a metaphor for a superior ideology that harmonizes the pursuit of knowledge, enlightenment, and the transformative power of a timeless journey through the cosmos. This exploration invites contemplation on the interconnectedness of quantum realms, cosmic ballets, and the eternal quest for truth. Incorporating the concept of the Shadow Boxer into Plato's Allegory of the Cave adds a fascinating layer of symbolism. In this context, the Shadow Boxer could represent the ultimate source of enlightenment and truth, much like the sun in Plato's allegory. In the allegory, prisoners in the cave are chained, facing a wall, and can only see the shadows of objects behind them. These shadows represent the false reality they perceive. If the Shadow Boxer is placed within this allegory, it could be positioned as the embodiment of the truth and light that liberates mankind from the false reality of the cave. The Shadow Boxer, by existing above or beyond the cave, brings a higher truth that exposes the limitations of the prisoners' perception. It represents the pursuit of knowledge and enlightenment, just as Plato's sun represents the highest form of reality in the allegory. So, in this interpretation, the Shadow Boxer can be seen as the light of the world, guiding individuals towards the truth and liberating them from the illusions and falsehoods of the cave's shadows.

A discussion with Prof. Sam Harris about God makes as much sense as asking a deaf person about music or a blind person about colors. His knowledge of basic spiritual issues is not zero. It is well below. What I mean is. -This man, created a spiritual Chooch in his mind and sells them to the curious public as God. And since the audience of the vast majority is not interested in spiritual matters on a daily basis, like a pelican it swallows this nonsense as truth and claps. Prof. Harris, along with other spiritual brethren such as Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and the late Christopher Hitchens, have collected these Himalayas of nonsense about God, put them together in the shape of a Chooch and are selling them as God. -They dig and box this mystification mercilessly until sparks fly. In the process, they think they are killing God. And God as He was is, and always will be.

It’s always funny when I hear “using our 21st century view” like we don’t do way worse things to way more people, just for the next generation to see the clear flaws in our own generation

Bring back the penance stare

The library of Alexandria has been mentioned so many times not here specifically. I smell BS. There aren’t any lost or new ideas.

"Good"... :) Миллиард китайцев вполне так считают и не волнуются так.

The good is the opposite of the bad, and we know what the bad is because it produces negative emotion.

@nolaspeaker5656

4 ай бұрын

Only in healthy individuals. By healthy, I mean those who are able to think about their thoughts.

Actually Sir it's a good question ..but it's simple it's the fury of God A better question. God predominates/dominates in women or men?

JP is tangling and entangling the story so much , it is almost as his word fighting is a means to an end to confuse you.

@aaronlatif52

4 ай бұрын

Wasnt that hard to follow.... He was exploring the idea and investigating another thoughts. If you are going on a journey, you cant travel in a straight line the whole time -> that would be plane ride not an adventure.

@lovelife1867

4 ай бұрын

@@aaronlatif52 not a problem with the adventure but all we got is utter suffering where there is no answer to anything. There might be a kingdom of God , no one can say for sure. There might be a reason to suffer in this plain , no one knows exactly why. We exercise in gyms to become stronger , we all die decrepit and fucked up. We learn only to forget everything. Humans inherently have no future. One stupid shit could land us into dark ages again. Maybe the AI should take over and find a way to incorporate us into global neural network.

@aaronlatif52

4 ай бұрын

@@lovelife1867 I dont have that much suffering around me. I work hard and support those around me. There is abundance and the miracle of life - watching my neices and nephew grow up and develop brings me much joy. Sure their is suffering but there is not only suffering. Fuck the budda, fuck the dao, fuck christianity. You gotta find what works for you and I think you can find better then bitching and being all doom and gloom on the internet. The answer to everything is simply experience and awareness. There is nothing of value that we can tell outside of it, so maximize it -> which in my opinion means developing relationships and providing value to others -> we seem to be social creatures and for the most part feel more secure and happy being with and being for others. Im good on being an infant (at least for the moment) so take your AI dystopian away from me.

@lovelife1867

4 ай бұрын

​@@aaronlatif52 You suck because your explanations are just polyanna and you follow that light school of no thinking ,just enjoy . If you were born behind the iron curtain like me , you would see the gloom and would be ready for the new war at any time. "You gotta find what works for you." Motherfucker DEATH works for me, but I will make sure I don't go alone or for no reason. You got money ? I want it. I want to take it and not let you enjoy it. Or your kids. You understand ? It came to the point I hate anyone that has fun or anything because of the disbalance. There is no fairness and fair game in this life so I will play as dirty as possible. This is why your pov won't work. Because there are people like me . And we are coming for answers.

Cell Phones are Bad😢

I found the evidence for goodness only in the face of evil.

@lotusleila5281

4 ай бұрын

Thats exactly why both exist.

There will always be bad people that use powerful things as weapons to commit evils. A powerful enough word is not much different than a sword. To critique religion on its ability to be used as a weapon is not a well informed argument.

This whole conversation is lost on me. Between all this metaphor, analysis of stories and Sam Harris' slow, inconcise method of speech that I don't even see when the "is good a myth" question was even answered.

@funkymunky

4 ай бұрын

Have you met a middle-aged philosopher with no hobbies and a menopaused woman?

@sparthacuster

4 ай бұрын

Omg perfectly described “slow inconcise method of speech” always found it so confusing and plain annoying

@OP-lk4tw

4 ай бұрын

well jordan didn't make it easy either by pushing so much with old stories, you see that the more people advance through their path the more narrow they become in a sense, it's very difficult to get them out of their boxes, even when they seem to be wise and open minded, their tendencies gravitate towards their interests and beliefs. i didn't watch it completely but i enjoy the back and forth, i see good points in both of them, and i don't ever end to understand just how religious jordan is, does he go to church? does he believe in the miracles of jesus? because i always see him arguing for the wisdom of the stories and for the divine and transcendent nature of reality that's all around us, which doesn't seem religious necessarily, a buddhist could hold the same views, a random psychedelic person could hold the same views, so i don't see where the religion part intersects his narrative beyond his obsession (which i don't critique) with ancient biblical stories and their interpretations. i didn't hear him refute sam's critique of dogma, so i assume he kinda agrees? i'm not sure

@funkymunky

4 ай бұрын

@@OP-lk4tw Has it ever occurred to you that they aren't talking to one another, but at one another? Stop deifying these mental midgets.

No thanks. Don't need this in my timeline. Don't waste the time, effort or thought on Sam.

The eastern mindset does not hold God as the highest category , in Taoism for example they have the idea of the TAO which they claim is Older than God , beyond good and evil . The Buddhist’s idea that captures me in my eastern learning was the idea of if you see the Buddha on the road kill him , taken as a mental state of experience to conflate that vision with a God would be deemed detrimental to someone who desires to attain Tao , No thing

@belteshazzarbenyakovleib4009

4 ай бұрын

I find Peterson to be terribly lope-sided when it comes to his heavy leaning on western Philosophy and religion at the expense of the eastern philosophy and religious systems .

No, good is not a myth. But a good man or woman is indeed a myth. Even Jesus said " Do not call me good, only the Father is good." While Jesus was in the bodily form of man, He inherited our sin and that is how He took that sin to the cross and saved us. If Jesus himself is not good while in the form of man, how is anyone "good"? Our righteousness is as filthy rags without Christ, never forget that.

Harris’ neck has grown by around 15%. Dude is jacked.

Why does this remind me of the Conan movie, where the question was asked; "what is good?". Conan's response is interesting. How can you know good without something to measure it against? What is good to one may be a nightmare to another. Only that which is perfect is good. Only one thing that fits it. God.

@ReasonAboveEverything

4 ай бұрын

Yes, but what is that god.

@randywise5241

4 ай бұрын

@@ReasonAboveEverything That which above everything in its perfection. The kind of thing that make universes come into being.

@lightborn9071

4 ай бұрын

I love Conan most for his honesty and bright mind. There is so much to learn from these stories.

@Esko354

4 ай бұрын

@@ReasonAboveEverything see St. Anselm's ontological argument as a first glance. Your question is ontological

@Laneous14

4 ай бұрын

@@ReasonAboveEverything I dunno, what is your own moral code that you've glued together from Zach Snyder movies and super hero comics?

I should be helped, I do not want to do bad things, but being killed over and over again makes me want to do bad to people, society should give me what I want, but they want me to solve it all on my own after being put into pain and misery, repeatedly punished and told I am very bad, no one wants to confront suffering or horrible people, they only want to tell me to be better

@Benpriebe314

4 ай бұрын

That’s the only option you got sometimes, better or worse. Don’t hold on too tight

@TheReaper569

4 ай бұрын

no one "should" help you society shoudlnt give you what you want. You learn to negotiate first, then the answer is ... maybe.

Five minutes of Sam rambling and I'm just fazed. What's he talking about. If he thinks that's deep then nah.

Good - positive value Bad - negative value Value - ability to impart effect This applies to all contexts that these terms may be used in. Give it a try.

@kristijanpavlovic8605

4 ай бұрын

Who says something is positive or negative?

@ConceptHut

4 ай бұрын

@@kristijanpavlovic8605 It sounds like you are asking what positive and negative mean. Is that what you are asking? Positive - The condition or process of adding or having added an amount of something, indicating an increase or benefit. Negative - The condition or process of removing or having removed an amount of something, indicating a decrease or detriment.

@kristijanpavlovic8605

4 ай бұрын

@@ConceptHut I am asking who determines what is positive and what is negative? Who says what is beneficial and what is detrimental? You see, adding is not always positive, if you you add an addiction to a person it's not going to be positive. On the contrary, removing and addiction is going to be good.

@ConceptHut

4 ай бұрын

@@kristijanpavlovic8605 Apply the definitions provided to the nature of addiction. When you've done that... Is addiction having a positive value or negative value?

@kristijanpavlovic8605

4 ай бұрын

@@ConceptHut You are still stuck with the definition of benefit and detriment. Who says?

I believe Phillips Foot outlined the argument of universalizeable, inherent goodness in her writings “Morality as a system of hypothetical imperatives” in which she rejected that morality is categorical in “nature” and then flipped on that later in life in her thesis “Natural Goodness”. Obviously, concepts of goodness exists in the world because it only takes one person to conceive of one thing as good in one instance in order for the criteria to be satisfied. However, inherent moral good must be universalizeable and satisfy all criteria under all circumstances. The latter tends to fail under a small amount of scrutiny when applied. Assuming of course that one’s interests in the matter are only logical.

One the problems we have is that people evil is thing that can be destroyed when it a privation & a such lacking can only be defeated by filling ones cup with Christ.