My 20 year old daughter who is just now studying automotive technology in college, followed your instructions regarding no PRNDL display found three resistors that had separated, re-soldered them and low and behold, PRNDL is back, so thanks. She told me she could do it but I was skecptable, and so I was proved wrong, so thanks for your help.

Same happened to my ‘04 Silverado. Had circuit board medics fix mine. New LED blueish green backlights, new stepper motors, resolder PRNDL, and added a trans temp gauge, all for about $250.00! Very happy with the work, and it’s been about 4 years with no problems!

@rickjones6798

Жыл бұрын

If your vehicle don't come with a trans temperature do you have to add wiring from your transmission to your gauger however it's connected for the trans temperature to work

@LethalMercury

Жыл бұрын

@@rickjones6798 not on my truck. The sensor and wiring were already there since the computer already monitors the trans and can put a “trans hot” message on the display. Circuit board medic just added a gauge motor and needle so I can monitor it all the time. This was on my 04 Silverado, other trucks could be different.

Couple things to add to save some people some head ache: When plugging the bare board back into the truck, don't let the board touch any of the brackets or fasteners. Those will be grounded and can cause shorts and blow out components. The microprocessor is static sensitive so follow ESD rules. And like the others have said, just replace all the back lighting bulbs and stepper motors, other wise you'll be right back in soon chasing problems.

@LBZDreamer

5 жыл бұрын

Love your repair video's

@wesleydetrickd.c.5440

Жыл бұрын

can an instrument/cluster have a short that causes battery drain? when I reconnect the ground cable to the battery there is moderate sparking and the oil pressure gauge jumps

@jeffescortlx

Жыл бұрын

@@wesleydetrickd.c.5440 seeing a spark isn't a good indication of continuous current draw. Install a current meter in the fuse location to monitor the key off draw.

There is an easier way to realign the needles. What you need is a connector that plugs in the back (get one from a junkyard) and apply 12V I cant remember which wires but if you look at the schematic you will see which 2 wires. Once you apply the power, each stepper motor goes to the bottom RESET position and then based on the EEPROM value stored in the cluster goes to NULL or ZERO position. The stepper motors get "locked" in that position for about 20 seconds but that gives you enough time to perfectly position the needle. Repeat for each stepper motor. It is important to look from the same angle that you will be looking at the cluster when installed in vehicle or they will be visually off. I replaced all the stepper motors and all 10 light bulbs on 2006 Chevy Trailblazer, which is basically the same as the one you are working on. If one or two bulbs died, the other ones are near the end of the life too. I have a professional soldering station with very fine point which helps with this job.

@drewf5391

Жыл бұрын

NULL and ZERO on the speedometer and tachometer are very different.. without marking the true position the needle was in when you removed it, chances are your speedo is now off. this can be remediated by unlocking the car in hptuners and using a gps to adjust the speedo, chances are it was incorrect from the factory anyway

Thanks for the tips. I replaced some bulbs & stepper motors 2 days ago without really knowing what I was doing. My bulbs didn't work but after watching this video I learned a few things. 1, I didn't know the bubs came out of the little blue holders. I simply trimmed them and soldered them back to the board. Plus the bulbs I replaced were a different shape & color. know that I know they can go back into the blue holder I can go back & retry to place them. 2, the resistors need to be checked because my entire light cluster does not work except for a few bulbs. I didn't know or think to check those. I thought I would have to either buy a new cluster or send it in to get repaired. Thanks for the great video, I made sure to subscribe to the channel because I have a 2003 Oldsmobile Bravada and you have a lot of great info

If you have a bulb or two burned out just replace all of them. They all age at the same rate. When you bump a bulb and it lights again you've fused the filament together again, but it'll be shorter so draw more current. It'll last a few months, then burn out again.

Wow! The best and most thorough video on this topic! Very helpful to me and my 05 GMC!

I think this you are the best automotive electritian ive seen on youtube ! Alot to be learned on this channel ! Been following a couple years now

Excellent instruction video. Thanks so much for taking the time to teach others. I'm going to work on my PRDL.

Nice repair Ivan. Saved sending out the IPC for repair.

Ivan, Watched the video last night, this morning tackled my daughters '04 Suburban. Using the slight tug method, two resistors came loose. A couple of quick solders, good as new. Thanks.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

Glad you got it back on track, John! I hope your daughter appreciated your efforts as well :)

@50thCenturyBilly

4 жыл бұрын

not John billy

@jhunts782

4 жыл бұрын

B i l l y M e r r i l l “not John?”

nice tutorial! had to replace all stepper motors and bulbs (went with blue leds) in my '05 earlier this year. will have to go back in for the prndl goin dim though. gotta diy when it's an accessible and simple project.

Just wanted to let you know that was an awesome video watched it last night pulled my cluster out and resoldered those resistors on my 05 suburban and now I have a prndl thank you so much 🤙🏼😎

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Nice 👍👌😁

Hello Ivan great video I don't understand why you don't have more subscribers you do great videos. Well no matter I will always watch you guys I really enjoy watching your thought process

@eldoradony

6 жыл бұрын

A good channel gains subscribers like a rolling snowball grows. I found SMA when it had 1200 subs and its about to crack 100K! I predict Ivan and you will do the same.

@steveyuan1626

6 жыл бұрын

Robinson's Auto Diagnostics I

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Mike, it was great to see you at the ASA training this past weekend! It's all about the right combination of Quality and Quantity...the goal is to have both :)

@armandonika

6 жыл бұрын

+Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics you definitely have both Ivan 😉

@50thCenturyBilly

4 жыл бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics hey ivan

Great video on the repair well done! Combining a lot of different repairs into one

in case anyone is interested the needles are called pointers. I retired from the place that made the cluster. I was a stock chaser

Illuminating information Ivan. Well done. Thanks!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

That was my goal here...just a simple and clear DIY summary for the millions of Chevy truck owners out there :)

Thanks for this video, I was able to repair my gauge cluster in under a half hour

Awesome timing for this video Ivan!!!!! I am having issues with my display .

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Let me know if you get it fixed, Dave!

Top notch repair Ivan. I wonder how many techs would actually bother with this kind of repair! Seems like a waste to replace the whole unit over a few stepper motors, 2 bulbs and a few bad traces. The other week i fixed a Siemens servo motor on a CNC for a friend of mine. Service engineer wanted to replace it. All it was, was some bad traces on the board for the motor brake.

Thank you for making this video. Now I know what I need to do to fix the few issues. Again, THANK YOU!

As a GMC (2007) 2500HD owner thank you, thank you! My PRNDL is ok but the info below it is so dim I can't read it most of the time. Going to try this fix. Thanks Ivan, this is a hugh help. Going to try the soup one of these days as well!

Ivan!! This is awesome video! Thanks so much! I need to do replace my stepper motors on my suburban. I have the same cluster as this. This is absolutely helpful! Now, I'll get busy ordering new stepper motors and stuff. Follow your video to a T. You got many thumbs up from me!! Cheers!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Josh, that makes my day that this info will be helpful :) Let me know how your cluster rebuild goes! It's actually a fun process.

@AP9311

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Ivan, went very well. Followed your video how to replace my stepper motors. I bought the butane iron like yours off eBay, same for the stepper. The gages work great! No more crazy jumping gages and oil pressure gage going bad. All is well!! Success!!!

I came to your channel looking for a way to fix my parasitic draw caused by my cluster but I still love the video!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 THUMBS UP AND NEW SUBSCRIBER!!!

@eddiegonzalez5775

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever figure that out I’m trying to see if the stepper motor is causing the parasitic draw on a hummer h2 but before I replace it I’m trying to figure out what part of the cluster is causing the parasitic draw

@papergatorzfedducca7998

Жыл бұрын

@@eddiegonzalez5775 my radio was staying on. But I did replace my stepper motors.

Great fix ivan, valuable video this is very common 👍 thanks for sharing

great video as always Ivan

Your soldering skills are much better than mine.

Best video on this out there! Thank you!

Excellent camera work, thank you.

I love your ethos for such a young guy if you can fix it you will, instead of O you need a new part. I'm old school and if i can fix it i will saves the customer money. Happy customer the more your reputation goes up the more people come to you. No need to advertise your work does if for you.

Gonna change lamps dash cluster in my Chevy van asap Thanks . Excellent 👌

Awesome video. Thanks. Some helpful advice from a custom drone builder, your Soldering skills would be leveled up with a "ts100" Soldering iron and a wet Sponge to clean the tip. You will be in love with it and wouldn't turn back.

Also you don't have to take the gauge face off that just creates more headaches in the end once you get the needles off all you have to do is pop the back cover off and take the PCB board out

cant wait until next video tnx Ivan

I'll remember this video if my cluster ever acts up. My Chevy truck is 12 years old so I'll keep an eye out for this issue and thanks to you, I'll have the confidence to attack it.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

It's not a question of "if" but "when" ;)

thank you for your time,can the odometer also be repaired?I have owend my truck for many years,would love to see it reach 5oo,ooo miles.

I have the same soldering iron! Actually two. I bought one after I thought I lost the first. I made that one my permanent mini-torch.

Did you see the speedo jump when you revved it after the fix? Is that stray voltage or more problems looming I wonder?

What a great video you saved someone hundreds for a rebuilt dash Thanks for your videos keep up the great work

Great video Ivan. Good to see you on. Have to have a steady hand for that job. Your series on the optometry equipment was killer.

Hey Ivan not sure if you can get one for your iron but I've found that chisel tips work really well. They help get better heat into your joint weather it be wire or surface mount components.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

Great tip (no pun intended)!

You can get a decent soldering iron for a reasonable price. That being said you seem to be comfortable with what you are using, I would recommend a iron stand with the sponge in it's base to make it a bit easier for you. Dampen the sponge and you'll find it easier to keep you solder tip clean. Oh and a flux pen would be advantageous too when trying to reflow the old solder, I hate leadfree solder...

Great video Ivan!!!

Ivan great video, have a great day. Keith

Good job Ivan.

Using that butane iron for surface mount is about as painful as replacing a clutch using only an adjustable wrench and a hammer. Please consider a $50-100 temperature controlled iron. Soldering will be much easier, create more reliable and consistent joints, and be significantly less likely to cause damage to components and boards. Right tool for the job, and all that.

@pleasecho2

5 жыл бұрын

TS-100 is portable. Hands down best soldering iron

Subscribed. Useful content. Keep up the good work.

It's nice when a handy internet video can lead to a solid fix. I know I rely on these as well. But after a while you learn that they aren't always helpful and in some cases a multitude of agreement by the Internet Experts is still not the answer. Such was the case with a 2005 Chevy Astro and the infamous ABS problem. "Redo a couple solder joints on the module" was the consensus but it was not the fix. 3 independent shops and 2 dealers later it's still unsolved

Hey, I have a bad oil stepper gauge and no PRDN display. I also have a significant parasitic drain form the cluster, do u know what causes the drain and is it easily fix like resolder loose connection?

Well done and very informative..thanks for this video! From🇸🇽

Your'e back comrade yay

Thanks man. Good video . Very detailed.

Ok, so I have recently noticed that in my 04 Silverado the cluster is slowly going out. Also I have a slow drain on my battery. You mentioned the slow battery drain what do you recommend as far as the slow drain on the battery. Is it a replacement thing or something I can fix on the cluster. Thanks

Exactly what I needed. Clear, concise and spot on!!! THANK YOU !!!

I am going to have to take my cluster apart as well. I have gauges not working and a short in the ipc/dic. Any idea what that short could be? I am guessing maybe a bad gauge motor?

Great video, Learned alot, Thanks

great video ,just wanted to hear more about p. drain that could also occur!! i got the light and battery drain issues!

Nice video. It happens to my aveo5. All gauges are ok but no light in cluster and no position lights on right side. Any idea to help my issue? Thanks!

Thank you Ivan!

Awesome video, Ivan! I noticed the reset when you started installing the gauge needles. I thought OH NO! Lol 😂

one thing: would you tell me what is the wire that turn low oil level on when the oil pan is low) what gauge or what color of the wire is?

You sound like that Canadian turbo jet guy 🤣 great vid thanks for the help💪🏼

Welcome to the wonderful world of surface mount

@blockbertus

6 жыл бұрын

Cracked solder joints can also happen with through hole componends.

Hi. I have a 98 C3500 Silverado and although everything on my cluster seems to work, my speedometer is definitely off by about 10mph, especially when I'm at higher speeds (50-70mph). At lower speeds (30mph), its usually off about 5-7mph...Any ideas on correcting this? Tks!

First! And you're using the DS708. Love it! Autel just gave away free updates through Dec 2017 if your DS708 expired after Jan 2015. Just got mine updated this week. Was a nice surprise

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

Free updates?? Cool, sign me up :)

@johnaclark1

6 жыл бұрын

Your subscription had to have expired after 1/1/15 to get an update. It's still obsolete since they've said no more updates after Dec 2017, though. I'm still pretty thrilled since I picked up my DS708 on Craigslist, complete, for $225 in 2016 with a 2015 update. Just make sure you have a backup card in case anything happens. I don't update my existing card but, rather, put a new card in the scanner, fire it up until it errors, then pull the card out and put it in my laptop and fire up the PCLink software. Then I download all the software fresh and keep the old card as a backup.

@troublesomez24

6 жыл бұрын

Make sure that free update isn't actually a free bricking! They have been in court A LOT lately because you use unlicensed coding in the scanners. The free updates might remove certain features which brings them into compliance.

@johnaclark1

6 жыл бұрын

Mach One That's why you always use a new SD card, keep the old card as a backup, and don't update through the tool. Some devices were bricked while updating via the tool over wifi but it was due to a device networking update of some kind. I have the fix for that but haven't experienced it. Regardless, updates are free if your device expired after 1/1/2015. The update gave me GM up through 2017 so it's worth the trouble as previously I only had up to 2014. That's all I've tested so far.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

That's great advice to keep the spare SD card with the original software. Mine is upgraded to 2014 so not sure if it's eligible. My theory about tools and cars is "if it works, don't touch it" haha

I removed my cluster from a 2004 astro van and it didnt have a Plug to squeeze- it was plugged in right up against the back panel and popped off when i started shimmying. when I look at the connection on the cluster there are 3 holes and three odd shaped black plastic plugs around where the pins fit in-- at first i thought they were snapped off. Any advice on this? cant find this model of cluster.

EXCELLENT One question. what kind of Autel you use? Thanks

Nice, detailed video.

Ivan do you know if the numbers on the resistors are Ohms or a part number?

@nevillegoddard4966

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Eric. The 240 on the resistor he resoldered should mean it's a 24 ohm resistor. The first 2 numbers are the value, & the 3rd is the multiplier. So there are no zeroes!

I had the issue with the prndl and reflowed the solder pads. When I plugged it back into my truck, it lit up real bright, but had 3 orange lines going across the display then the back light completely shut off. Did I ruin something?

@nevillegoddard4966

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sorry mate you killed it! Need a new display now. You may have accidentally shorted out one of those resistors, or laid a line of solder across where it shouldn't have been.

Great video, thank you!

Bendito KZread. Thanks for sharing !!!

I've decided to go with blue incandescents, but I have another question: It looks like there are 4 soldering points under each bulb seat; how to you know which pair of to use. Obviously you'd want to watch which ones it came off of, but in case you didn't catch that...

Hi. I am looking for the speedo stepper motor for a 2003 volvo S40. Any thoughts on where i can located one?

Great video well done

How were the WT and the OPG gauges after your test drive for needle sweep with your BDS?

Nice repair. The brown on the CB masking is from the illumination bulbs. Take apart an old display and you will see where the bulbs make the board turn almost black. Next time you folks go shopping get a couple cheap COPPER pot scrubbers at the dollar store. Stick one into the weighted bottom of a can with some silicone. When you solder just stick the tip in there and rotate/withdraw and the old crusty crud will be gone.

@nevillegoddard4966

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the problem with doing that Blazer, is that the abrasion will eventually wear off the iron plating from today's modern soldering iron tips. Once that happens, EVERY single soldering joint you make with that tip from that point onwards will eat away some copper from the tip. Eventually you'll end up with a hollow tip with craters of copper eaten away, & just the iron plating remaining. I find the best way to keep a soldering iron tip clean is to just wipe it (often) on a piece of dry rag or paper towel. As has been mentioned before, a wet cloth or paper towel applies too much thermal shock to the tip, which is no good for it either.

@Blazer02LS

2 жыл бұрын

@@nevillegoddard4966 Not a big deal for me as tips are consumable items and I don't see any more real world wear with either method. Might also depend on the tips you use and how well you keep them tinned.

That soldering iron is sweet .. Never seen a sucker one like that

Use of 'lead free' solder used in surface mounted devices and hand soldering will crack overtime. Suggest reflowing all solder joints. A pain I know but this will avoid call backs. Suggestion - DUMP the butane heat club and get a variable wattage iron as suggested below. All the best, Dr. Skip

@nevillegoddard4966

2 жыл бұрын

I gotta agree with you Skip - lead free solder just aint as reliable as the old-school lead solder. I was biting my nails too watching Ivan with that blowtorch!

@frenchonion4595

Жыл бұрын

They use lead free from the factory i think. EPA regulations and all that. They are known for the cracking you speak of

what about the lights for the cruise control, high beam, etc? Looked like it had zero oil pressure on startup.

Great Video! I have had my 4WD light out forever. No big deal. However, my battery warning light stays on (dimmly) all the time even when the truck is off. I have tested for parasitic draw and haven't found the problem. Is there any way the bulb tfor the battery warning light could actually short out on the panel. HELP PLEASE

@nevillegoddard4966

2 жыл бұрын

John, years ago the charge light on my 1972 XA falcon (Australia) would always be just very slightly on, even when it was supposed to be off. The lamp was extinguished completely though after I fitted a heavy duty earth strap from the bell housing of the engine to the firewall. Not exactly sure why, but it worked.

I just replaced mine in my '03 this past spring, I had no PRNDL forever, and some of the back lighting didn't work, didn't bother me, but suddenly the cluster would just go dead while I was driving. sometimes it would come back with a key cycle sometimes not. at first it only happened a couple times, then It was happening every time I was in the truck. I made the decision to replace it, if It was just a gauge or two I would have did the stepper motors. It was only like $580(Canadian) parts and programing.

@Madskills-hw2ox

3 жыл бұрын

@kenman 1717 You have a link for the Canadian store, and do you think they sell the stepper motor and bulb set. Thanks in advance my friend

@kenman1717

3 жыл бұрын

@@Madskills-hw2ox i got mine from a Chevy dealer, i don't think they sell the stepper motors, pretty sure they come aftermarket.

@Madskills-hw2ox

3 жыл бұрын

@@kenman1717 Thank you 👍🏻👍🏻

I have done this stepper motor change to my 2003 Chevy venture. but the needles are stuck in the far counter clockwise position. when the key is in position 2, the gauges move up and back down again, is there a calibration that needs to be done and if so , how?

Was the oil pressure working?

IT's been a few years since you posted this... It looks like the replacement bulbs are incandescent; can these bulbs be replaced with LEDs? Any caveats to doing that (like having to replace ALL of them)? I don't need the stepper motors, and the only "bulbs only" kit has LEDs.

oil pressure still doesn't seem to work, did you get it fixed?

Very good job

Very helpful video

Hey Ivan. Any clues on what to look for as the cause of the parasitic draw? I'm having problems with dim prndl and parasitic draw.

@daviddelle774

6 жыл бұрын

kerryithm2 Does the beloved X remember all you radio pre-sets and driver settings for you?

Hi Ivan! Nice work! What type of screwdriver you use to popup that needles out from dash? Thank`s!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

6 жыл бұрын

Not a screwdriver...more like a claw for trim panels. Check your local auto parts store :)

@BSFNDR

4 жыл бұрын

kitchen fork works good

For the trip toggle, on the 2005 suburban circuit board there is a white circular piece inside a black piece. Is there another piece? How do they sit on the board? Scrolling no longer occurs when the toggle is pressed

Exselecte trabajo amigo

Ivan, You say there stepper motors, or servo motors? Either way you should be able to calibrate them from zero?

I suppose if I could pile on I would say to test everything before reassembly so you don’t have to take it all apart again. That also seems like a better time to put the needles back on so you can make sure you get them lined up with 0.

the glass on both mine and yours looks burnt just to the left of "p" of park, mine is acting crazy too, so i am trying to poke around and learn a bit. also i have the "dic" and its right most corner looks burnt too.

My cluster tach and speedometer works, lights all work but none of the gauges work and all idiot lights are on. Low fuel ding goes off constantly. If I turn the steering wheel the ding sound stops? Because the steering wheel seems to be involved can i be sure it is the whole problem is the cluster?

Excellent presentation as always!! You should get a wet sponge to clean your soldering iron. The steam does an excellent job removing the oxidation and helps keep your solder joint contamination free. A little alcohol cleanup on the solder joint is recommended after soldering to remove the flux so it doesn't corrode the joint and cause a poor connection over time. If anyone is interested, there's a series of soldering videos from an instructor at a local tech school in Charleston, SC who is NASA certified. Here's the link to his soldering tutorial series. kzread.info/dash/bejne/YoeisblrhsephKw.html

@JVerschueren

6 жыл бұрын

No no no... the heat shock from using a wet sponge wears out the catalyst block (the bit that glows orange) in the tip prematurely. Dry cleaning tool only for butane powered soldering irons.

Im missing some of those little resistors that you resoldiered for the PRNDL but I can see to find where to get replacements. can anyone point me in the right direction? other than pick n pull. ty

Hey how are you doing ? I have a 2004 chevy silverado 4.3 and my gas gauge isn't working it just has the E light on I've pulled out the whole gauge cluster out and soldered on a new one for the gas but I plugged it back in all them work fine except for the gas still

@jakecole3646

4 жыл бұрын

It might be the sending unit in the gas tank

I know once you have the cluster out I have the bat and temp ,actionfunny one time they work and then quit is there any way to check the motors or replace all

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

4 жыл бұрын

replace them all! :)