Ladies and gentlemen, today GM backed down on their C8 Z06 warranty retention period. Are you happy with this or do you want them to get rid of it all altogether?

@vertisjohnson219

Жыл бұрын

As well as they should, if GM isn't enforcing the MSRP crackdown on the dealers. Why are you putting your foot on the neck of your customers? It wouldn't be fair.

@stephenr115

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is with dealerships Folks should not be able to buy more than one but the problem I think ADM’s that price out regular folk as flippers willing to pay more to get the car. Maybe booking reservations through Chevy would identify the multiple buyers and create a fair distribution. But with 2500 cars, I fear the special case or the regular person will just be over bought by flippers. I have great respect for my sales specialist believing he will always do the honorable thing. He knows my solid reasons for me being on the list and hope and pray I get the call.

@55rhill

Жыл бұрын

It should be 2 years like the Ford GT. They should also require their dealers to sell at no more than MSRP. Whatever is necessary to stop the flippers who are preventing real Corvette enthusiasts who want the car for themselves from getting one in a reasonable time frame. The allocation process which has now been messed up by the 3LT sales being the basis for allocations should also be reconsidered by GM. Those of us who bought 3LT are securing dealer allocations for people on lists who didn’t buy 3LT. That’s not right either.

Thanks for update Mike. Been a big fiasco with GM can’t make up their minds plus nonstop issues with Z06. Dealerships being absolutely greedy with large mark ups. I was on the list for Z06 at Autonation Arrowhead Chevrolet in AZ. Then manager decided to cancel the list and now wants at least 40k above msrp. The same dealership I purchased my 2021 C8. GM needs to step in and act regarding the on going greed by their dealers.😡😡😡

I think this is just one more thing showing that the Z06 is not what they have claimed. The torque figure, disappointing. The top speed, disappointing. The 'ring' time has not been revealed, obviously because it is disappointing. The press car and the KZreadrs can't speak how it drives. Why? Probably they would reveal that they are disappointed. Revving the car will get boring after a while, and then what is there to justify the high cost they paid to get one. GM has announced that the production will be 10%. Not that many, probably because they know that once the car hits the market and the reviews come in, the demand will drop. I think that once the public gets their hands on the Z06, the interest will decline, and people will not pay the huge premium to get this car over a regular Stingray. And now the warranty. It is probably because the car will be disappointing to a lot of people and they will want to unload theirs as soon as they can. And so they probably feel that most people will wait 6 months before they unload their cars. I could be wrong but the signs seem to be pointed in this direction.

@doughooks7411

Жыл бұрын

I would not call you wrong, Sir.

They realize they will not make many so it really does not matter

This is good news. I agree with your comments about the GM saying they can't control the dealers, but then they DO control the consumer. It either needs to be a free market or a 2-way restricted market, like th Ford GT was.

@nrdemon1031

Жыл бұрын

Agree 💯

@BrinkofSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Yep

So few of these cars will be produced that it doesn’t really matter. No one will be able to get one unless you pay twice the msrp.

200 mph who's driving 200 mph

@machdaddy6451

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Thank you for sharing the info Bud

Tadge states that the ZO6 was built for max performance on a race track and yet I bet that at least 90% of the them will never get close to a track. Why pay all of that extra money for performance that will probably never be used to anywhere near it's potential ?

@billfleming8281

Жыл бұрын

Your completely accurate, I bet 90% won’t even drive it to go watch a race , forget using it to drive on a racetrack .

I think the biggest news is that are going to have tours at the plant again. After 5 years.

Not hitting 200 mph is no big deal …. A car can be amazing without hitting 200. But I’ve been over this car since long ago - once it became obvious only those willing to put up with the circus might have a slim chance of getting one.

MSRP solution: GM should allow the customers to move their orders to another dealer. That way, customers can negotiate where they close the deal. GM should also put together a pre-approved list of dealers that sell at MSRP. How can I give this idea to GM?

Ford did a two year restriction on selling the last generation of Ford GT. No legal challenges were successful. Think it helps the corvette enthusiasts to be able to source a car. Rick Conti ran into a guy who keeps flipping c8 corvettes every couple of months and making $25,000 per transaction. All the while some would be Corvette buyers can’t get there first C8. Think Corvette was much less aggressive than Ford. It only effected the warranty. Ford actually sued there customers who violated the contract. Think the dealers should be forced to sell at sticker to.

I just sighned the disclosure when i ordered mine today... 1 year...

"Ladies and gentlemen, today GM backed down on their C8 Z06 warranty retention period. Are you happy with this or do you want them to get rid of it all altogether?" Really doesn't matter what I think. All that matters is he who is willing to spend the most will get the car first. On another note, if GM had any temerity at the Corp level a solution to the price gouging can be found.

Love the music! Amazing my friend!

I don't think they should be able to sell cars above MSRP! You used to be able to buy Vettes for a big discount at the end of the year dealer sales. Wow! How times have changed.

The customers will decide the market value of the C8. When the rich guys are done the market will correct the price . Dealer will have a lot of unsold over price C8 that are not worth the asking price.

There are Chevy dealers who have become the new Flippers.

Good Job. 👍

Thanks Mike,,,,, I have watched everything you do since you first bought the Captain !!! Your Friend Grizz,,, in Ohio

Of course they wouldn't make it 200. It's not a supercar. It's a sportscar

I absolutely agree with you with NO RETENTION warranty. Secondly, I will not get a ZO6 instead, I'll get a 911 with no warranty restriction and most of all NO BS. I'll see you on the road with a 911🙂. Thank you.

Talk about wishy-washy! Why would GM make a big deal of the vehicle retention period, then renege on it?

GM has historically published incorrect performance figures for various reasons. Example the unwritten 1960’s agreement between Chrysler, GM, and Ford that no engine would be rated over 425hp regardless how powerful it actually was. I am taking the position that the top speed will be more than the published number.

@doughooks7411

Жыл бұрын

Those numbers were fudged partly for insurance purposes, and this is not the 60s.

GM is full of bean counters who could care less about the enthusiast. They allow the engineers to develop the car within their marketing parameters. Some of those parameters are that most people can’t drive a manual and won’t track their car. It seems Porsche is the only company left that responds to the enthusiast, but the Corvette hype seems to be driving their demand and prices skyward too.

All those people complaining about the z06 not reaching 200mph are tripping. I’m buying the c8 z06 but I don’t give a damn about the top speed because I’m not driving 200mph on the street.

There selling first car to people that probably won't flip it anyway

Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. What other shoe? The under 7 minute Nurburgring time which has seemed to have disappeared. GM very silent on that.

Wasn't the C7 ZR1 capable of over 200 MPH ? If so, the C8 Z06 wouldn't be the "King of the Hill" Corvette, like Chevy was suggesting it was going to be during early press releases.

I don't like the idea of paying over msrp, I'm glad GM didn't stop the warranty from a 2nd owner. I may have to buy as a 2nd owner.Also, it wasn't fair a dealers could charge way over msrp and nothing happened to them.

Despite how one feels about the 6-month wait period.. The real BS wait time is how long production will take to build these things.

I am Italian and I sold cars for 34 years. The guarantee should be mandatory and even a year is ridiculous! A year at least is mandatory on a used car but talking about brand new has to be one year or even more. Same than selling overpriced, absolutely illegal in Europe but allowed in the wild America. People should stop buying from Chevy as long as GM won’t change approach!!

@j7b890

Жыл бұрын

even Ferrari has had for years now 3 years unlimited mileage warranty and 7 years of free maintenance.

@jackdeforrest

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Marco. I'm out; tried to order a new 1SS Camaro a year ago and my salesman went into hibernation! Wanted a C8, but I've been a well paid working-man my whole life and dealer premiums are foolish to accept. I'm voting with my feet/wallet and buying Ford or Mopar. Bye Chevy 👋

A lot of high performance engines/vehicles were and are underrated. The 60’s Chevy big blocks, The Hemi 426, The Ford 427, and my favorite, the Ford Lightning 1999-2004, not that electric bullshit. blame the lawyers.

Liked!

Just like what Rob said on the livestream, Chevy was wrong about the C6 Z06 and C7 Z06 top speed. They both went 202 mph even though their official numbers were 198 and 196. There are a lot of long straights in the world, and someone will go 200 mph in the C8 Z06. Even Ferrari stated that the LaFerrari was only 217 mph but someone went 230 mph in it on the Autobahn.

I don't even like going over 130 let alone 200.

Wait for VIR and Laguna Seca Lap times for MORE disappointments

It's because the ZR1 will make 200 or more miles an hour that's right

It has 650 US HP, not the same as European HP, that's why it is not a 200 mph car. Still I love it and will buy one when it comes to Sweden :D

Dropping it to 6 months won't stop the lawsuits.

With regard to the sub-200mph top speed, I suspect the lack of low end torque, coupled with the gear ratios determined to be practical are to blame. Top speed is likely reached in a lower gear because not enough low end torque is produced to pull the higher gears necessary to approach or exceed 200 mph in a naturally aspirated flat plane crank engine.

My 2007 Z06 is faster top end then a new C8 Z06! Wow I thought as many of us the C8 Z06 was going to be this all around fast super car. I’ll buy 2023 C8 and send it to callaway it looks and sounds better then the new Z, plus save a few bucks by not having to pay over sticker and have a faster car both top and bottom end then the Z06, I’m sure many buyers of the Z06 are rethinking the purchase since over 1/2 don’t track the car ever to begin with! Plus who is spending 40k extra for a 2/10s better 0-60 time and a lower top speed then a stock stingray? I like the looks of the callaway plus the double D exhaust add the new supercharger and this is a no brainer. GM made a mistake but for us buyers who don’t track the car it’s a good thing huge money saver.

If it's Not a Numbers car ? Then WTH Is the Nuremberg Ring Times ?

GM like many compaines know that the macroeconomic environment is absolutely horrible and about to get worse and there are people that will buy this car that will need to sell it once people realize the FED can't prevent the inevitable market collapse, and fallout from it.

@theycallmejw3902

Жыл бұрын

Mike you should stop taking up for GM. They know what they are doing...and ALWAYS HAS. You cannot make me believe they had no idea of the frenzy this car was going to have! GREED, GREED, YOU CAN'T BE GREED!!

Short and sweet, GM seems to be waffling all over the place on their positioning. What a shame.

@BrinkofSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. They obviously know what they’re doing is wrong.

@moremoney2

Жыл бұрын

Too much “woke” culture in large corporations making wrong decisions.

I’m sure with some minor tweaking that Z06 will break 200 mph if someone wants to prove a point…but aside from the Bonneville Salt Flats, where can you drive that fast, and maybe live to brag about it?

I’m trying to get c8 zo6 with the zo7 package probably black or hypersonic gray maybe orange I’m on a waiting list But I would buy a used one if someone was selling one for above msrp

Lol it's gorgeous idc at all that it doesn't go 200. I haven't got my z06 passed 110. I'm a looks guy not a race car driver

Smashed !!!!!

Can't even go 200mph that's crazy.

Chevy can just not allocate to dealerships like they do anyway

Mike, you need to wait for the Zora, it’s just a car. How many people going to drive it over 185 mph. If bragging is important, then one should Bragg about the price compared to other super cars. Moore

Kinda funny that you're suprised about the top speed..look at the the acr.

As much as I am adoring the Z06 and I am a Vette guy, I am just going to sit here and watch the Vette World Burn! For you folks that truly can’t afford this car after the markups and flippers, do yourself a favor and just don’t put yourself in a bad financial position. It’s not worth it! And for the price that I truly believe the market is going to push the Z06 price to (which I truly believe around 200k-ish) that is getting close to Ferrari-Lambo prices. No way this car will even retain that value in a few years. It’s like all the dummies that had to rush out and have bidding wars during the housing wars this last year, now these people are under water!

Not under 7 minute track time not over 200 miles per hour not worth the price. The eray will be a better price since the base C8 top speed is 194 and the added electric motors will make it go over 200 miles per hour.

How about the $5k.

As far as I know Gm on all new employees purchase they have required the GM employees to own that vehicle for one year before they sell or they would loose their right to purchase another vehicle. I think they are just trying to protect their consumers that can not afford to pay 40 or 60 thousand dollars over sticker price I will not be purchasing one due to the gouging this car is demanding from dealers. I think Gm should take the orders And let the people pick them up from the factory like they did in the past.

Ford did it to the ford gt

I won’t hold my breath… let’s wait and see.

@BrinkofSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Me either, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they backed all the way off.

Is this true?....Dr. Corvette

Only the privileged and the influencers will the be first will get their hands on the C8 ZO6s.

allowing people to flip the cars without a Penalty The price of the car will go up a dealer will pretend to sell to somebody so he can flip it I think that was very nice of General Motors to think about the average man who wants to owner their cars

Good move GM but get rid of it all!

not enough TQ to break 200mph

@elijahprasad7884

Жыл бұрын

If the C6 Z06 has the same torque as this thing and can hit 202 mph, the C8 Z06 can too. We just need a long enough straight away to challenge it. Even Chevy stated the C6 Z06 was 198 mph and it actually went 4 mph faster.

The Z06 rollout has been a complete shit show.

There should not be a retention period on selling a Z06. Chevrolet is over-stepping and effecting the initial and subsequent buyer to control the flippers. There are many possible legitimate reasons someone might need to sell. Reducing to 6 months is better but still wrong. Especially considering the impact won’t be as great as all the bad customer relations publicity that has been generated. What a blunder.

Gm is so full of it. Hard to hit over 200 in a production car without forced induction - especially a V8. I have no clue why you thought 215! 😂...You were definitely dreaming. I think the c6zo6 did around 197-198. A guarantee you with forced induction it will go over 200. Na that's asking a lot for a production car. Ferrari 458 barely does it but smaller - lighter car and the Ferrari has only 560 hp.

If 6 months stops flippers then OK! But GM saying they can't stop dealers from pricing over MSRP is a cop out..

WHO is going to go over 200 mph? Who is going 190mph. When has anyone unless you are running a 6 or 7 sec quarter mile car. Even if its over 200 , you have Bugatti's running 300 mph . F1 cars , the fastest and best handling cars in the world don't have top speeds that high at all? I would rather have a quick , fast car , with 1.0g+++ handling then do 200 mph . I don't think its a " big ball drop" at all. A porsche carrera , 2022 does 180's . A $300k++ Porsche 911 turbo barely does 200 mph and the gt2rs does 208 at $500k dollars. About this pricing thing , dealers are screwed , pos. But we never had these issues in the past with corvette. Not with the zr1 ( c6 ) or the c7 z06. People wanted to have and drive the cars. Look what happened to Ferrari with them putting in place you couldn't selll it within a year with their hyper cars because it screwed the pricing market. Same thing with ford GT. Sad times.

@elijahprasad7884

Жыл бұрын

You're exactly right about F1 cars not having extremely high-top speeds. F1 cars top out at around 220 mph, even less on high downforce tracks. Even the Corvette C8.R went 170 mph in Daytona testing. Track machines with downforce are around 200 mph.

@vertisjohnson219

Жыл бұрын

Fuel Funny cars are the fastest in the world at 339 mph. Not one, but two, at two different tracks.

@redtesta

Жыл бұрын

@@vertisjohnson219 What does that have to do with the top speed of the vette? Funny cars , top fuel cars are drag cars. Top fuel has better quarter mile times , funny cars have a bit higher top speed at the end of the 1/4 mile. smh

@vertisjohnson219

Жыл бұрын

@@redtesta someone made mention the F1 was the fastest race car. And fuel car drag races are 1,000 feet. The quarter mile race for them ended in 2008. After funny car driver Scott Kalitta was killed

200 plus is four the ZR1 the best car for the money

who cares about 200? nobody will use it....its just like saying how many hairs do you have on your chest? To get the 200, you have to compromise something else. So what else do you want compromised to get the number? the trans would have to regear and end up with some aweful gearing so you can tout 200? I'd rather have amazing gearing, and have it do what it was built to do.

You phrase it like previously you could not choose to sell your Corvette before one year of ownership. It now sounds like GM has retracted their policy of not honoring the warranty beyond the original purchasers who might “choose” to sell their vehicle within one year of the original purchase. As good as this car appears to be, I choose not to participate in all this Z06 nonsense. I’m sure it’s great for KZread views though. I have never paid as much as MSRP for a new corvette and I’m not going to start now. I worked hard to earn my money and I choose not to give it away to greedy un-needy people. Our government already does a good job of that. Since I’m only 68, I’ll continue look in my rear view mirror at the corvettes while riding my (need for speed) paid-for sports bikes.

@jameswetz3396

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what he said ! I figured out fifty years ago that I could smoke any 4 wheel speed demon with my 2 wheeler that cost only a fraction of what a fast car sold for. Better bring your new “corvette plaid” to the track if you don’t want to be embarrassed by my 50 year old bike.

As a business GM is not going to admit to problems they are having with the vehicle. If GM mass produces this vehicle with serious issues. It will kill them. There has been a lot of bragging about this vehicle and It seem to be falling short of those claims. There are vibration issues inherent in a flat plane crank engine, oil consumption and crankcase back pressure problems causing seal leakage to name a few. They need to get this right. I hope they can but I'm having my doubts.

So, it's top speed is barely 200 mph and it's over $100,000??? That means it's not a Supercar and it's still only just a Corvette....Better lower that price GM.

@rschris

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@doughooks7411

Жыл бұрын

🤔

@elijahprasad7884

Жыл бұрын

The Ferrari 430 Scuderia is 198 mph and is $200,000, and it's a supercar.

@haroldelmore6804

Жыл бұрын

@@elijahprasad7884...True and good point. However, FERRARI is one of the name brands for SUPERCARS. Not for one of their models.

Woo-Hoo

GM,Ford and Dodge should sell the cars directly like Telsa for the muscle cars so every red blooded American can live his child hood dream of owning American iron… I’m trying to buy a Shelby and it’s impossible unless I pay 30 K over sticker

@moremoney2

Жыл бұрын

You need to expand your search. I saw a new GT500 on a small rural dealers showroom floor last December. They had a $10k markup on the window sticker, but offered it to me at MSRP on the spot without any haggle. I passed because I didn’t want a red one. It’s gone now.

@joeyneedsanewcar8515

Жыл бұрын

Thanks more money. I decided on an M5. I would have loved a Shelby, but dealers are pushing people way because of greed.

Not much faster than Stingray.

Glad the warranty scandal is over. GM was going to get sued. No one has any business going 200+ mph on a street car. A car should be thoroughly inspected even down to rocks in the tires before going over 150 mph. The tires are the weakest link at speed.

@timyarbrough9862

Жыл бұрын

Any producer of a product is not required to warranty the product at all. Many things you buy have zero warranty from the get go. If it's in the print that there is no warranty and you sign the dotted line under those conditions, what are you going to sue for?

@thereissomecoolstuff

Жыл бұрын

@@timyarbrough9862 wrong. New cars have to have a warranty. The Magnuson act states it.

@timyarbrough9862

Жыл бұрын

@@thereissomecoolstuff Gotcha, but I would recommend reading the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act a little closer. It does say warranty available for new car. Available and new car. They are talking about flippers and warranty not being available on the used car. I know, warranty should still be valid as it was originally written, and I agree. I'm not saying I like the idea at all. I'm just saying it's not going to be just a simple lawsuit. They gave the warranty with the new car.Gonna cost a lot of money on both sides and a lot of time. By the time it got settle either way, that car would probably be gone. Definitely not arguing here, just voicing my opinion on lawsuits. They are just trying to stop the prices from being driven so high by flippers. I don't like this tactic either. I know I just way overpaid for a C8, but maybe I'm the dumb butt.LOL. I do appreciate your response. I'm sure many don't know about that act, and it will bring light to a lot of people who just blindly comment.

@thereissomecoolstuff

Жыл бұрын

@@timyarbrough9862 it's cool Tim. This gets back to changing you own oil and dealers honoring the warranty. You have to buy the factory oil or its equivalent and an approved filter. Verify mileage and keep the receipt. If you miss one step, your warranty can be voided. By moving it to 6 months they either concede it's a bad idea or they are going to build a lot of cars, which they can't do. Thank you for the comment. You nailed it. GM shouldn't be worried about private sellers when their dealers are gouging. I'm a $30k over buyer on the Z. Feel like I got the deal of the century. That's how bad it is.

I'm sooo tired of GM/Chevrolet with all of the delays & utter nonsense regarding the release of this fabulous vehicle. Some of the issues were not of their doing, however it's just turned me off completely. My wife and I have owned numerous Corvettes throughout the decades. We will be looking elsewhere for our next exotic toy. Makes me a little sad.

So hitting over 200MPH is nothing more then for bragging rights and honestly there is no reason a production /track car needs to go that fast for one, you can't go that fast on any public road in the US only closed tracks and to hit 200mph on a track it would need to be a good size oval like what Nascar runs on because you don't need 200 mph on a road course and I know your going to say you can do it on the German Autobahn well not for much longer, They are considering putting a max speed limit on that too soon so in reality you don't need a car to go that fast and here's the big thing, NONE of the production cars are designed to hit a wall and be servivable at even 120 MPH so it's just a waste of design time ...

Too slow yo.

Good lord! What is with people blabbering on and on asking people to like and subscribe? Just get to the point! Every time they do this I give it a thumbs down and I definitely don't subscribe

GM could sell cars with 0 warranty on all brands if they wanted to and guess what your law suit would go nowhere I suggest you get hold of a lawyer for consumer goods and get rid of your lack of knowledge

@timyarbrough9862

Жыл бұрын

This is true. Anyone that manufactures anything doesn't have to warrant it. If you don't want it without warranty, don't buy it. This was not for GM to control you, it was to stop the flippers which is driving the price sky high. They want the people to be able to buy the cars at MSRP. This will never happen with all the flipping.

You complain way to much about this car, get over it or don’t buy it.

@trobertson1825

Жыл бұрын

C7 long run better car

@craigleidigjr4170

Жыл бұрын

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@hugostiglitz8465

Жыл бұрын

My question is where in the hell are you going to drive over 130mph unless your on an actual spoedway. I'd rather have great handling more than speed.

@moremoney2

Жыл бұрын

Everyone has the right to complain and it’s good for views.

“My car can go over 200 mph!” “Have you ever driven it that fast?” “No.” “Then what’s the point?” Who cares about top speed? Drag cars are way faster than F1 cars. I don’t know about you but I’d rather have an F1 car…

Top speed doesn’t matter on the street. Even handling isn’t a big issue. What matters is straight line speed which is where all of us are really using it the majority of the time. I would be happier with a 10.2 1/4mile than 200mph. High tens is what every car is doing now a days.

I'm not feeling the vette. Beautiful car. Just not a real vette imo, the c6 was the last real corvette. The c7 to me is way better than the c8...