So may I ask what is the difference between this current trade for Hardaway and the trade Weaver made for Harris last year? Seems eerily similar. So far even the draft moves look the same. Not that I'm down on Holland. Thought it was a great pick. Weaver drafted another very similar wing in Ausar. So far this looks exactly like last year. So hopefully there's more moves to come. Nobody is asking for instant playoff team. What people want to see is tangible improvement from the roster and the product on the floor that people are are paying to support. Do fans get a "patience" discount for their support the last 4 years? Langdon knew the situation coming in. So he better get thick skin. It's time to move this thing forward.

@ethankinnunen4839

4 күн бұрын

THJ is a much better player, so he'll actually be playing some valuable minutes. So there's that, but refresh my memory, did we get 3 second rounders in the JH trade? As far as your last comment. Trajan is an idiot if he makes moves strictly because it's been too long since the Pistons have been competitive, so now it's time because the fans are impatient. Doing that will just create a team that sits at the bottom of the playoffs, but is never a contender.

@Truthtella

4 күн бұрын

For Harris alone 2 seconds. So 4 years is not enough patience. So how many more years must people support a team that won't do right by them?

@ethankinnunen4839

4 күн бұрын

@@Truthtella Doing right by the fans is putting together a mediocre team? Because that's all you're going to get if you rush this! I get that this team is bad and isn't where we wanted it to be, but for all the bad Weaver did, at least he left us in a place that we can actually go up. Trajan has the luxury of not needing to break it all down like Weaver did. My opinion so far is that Trajan will do a better job, how long it takes will depend on the development of some young guys. With luck, that'll only be a couple of years.

@Truthtella

4 күн бұрын

@@ethankinnunen4839 OK sir your opinion.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

4 күн бұрын

​@@Truthtellatanking takes close to a decade when you start with bad contracts. Say 3-5 years of patience and not skipping steps

He didn't draft Cade Cunningham but I don't see him trading him no time soon

Preach on about Grimes

Langdon will be great. Reminds me of Jimmy Butler. Put him at SG. he does what Ivey does and can play defense.

I think we need to take it easy with the Langon defense. No one is saying we don't want him here or that he should be fired. We just didn't love his first few moves. We're entitled to our opinions as fans. At the end of the day all that matters is winning so if they improve no one will care. As a former "trust in troy" guy this podcast helped me break out of that years ago. How about we just judge each move individually and and we'll start making judgements on the overall job he's doing until after at least 1 season.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

4 күн бұрын

I hate tanking and that apparently is the Trajan plan. I understand the theory but I thought the Pistons were going to pivot after the deadline not double down. You're right to say we don't need to blindly trust the FO.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

His moves are fine, I don't even know what you're on about.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Langdon has absolutely no choice but to play it this way, because Weaver fucked the team over and left a flaming dumpster fire bereft of assets.

What's the story with Aaron Mintz or whatever his name is?

The trade sucks. If this was Weaver, you would have roasted him. Hardaway is older, plays no defense, makes 12 million more than Grimes and 3 2nd rd is not a good trade. I would have rather have Langdon use that extra 12 million on a free agent even if he had used it to overpay. Call a spade a spade. As for drafting Ron Holland, I have no problem. None of the other choices were distinctively better. Plus he is probably the best player available.

@vr654

4 күн бұрын

If it were Weaver he'd be years into having the job so yeah I'm sure he would. The Pistons will be a lottery team next year. Much of this as far as players and contracts doesn't even matter.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

4 күн бұрын

​@@vr65460 million is plenty of money to get two starters. The room exception to add a backup. Extend Fontecchiio and we are 12 deep. Grimes might outplay THJ next year. I'm expecting it to happen. But THJ is Cade's buddy. Sorta like Giannis trading for Dame, but with less value on both sides of the trade.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

It was a fine trade.

@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures

2 күн бұрын

@scottwickett1273 lmao. Great trade, you say. Hardaway makes 12 million more. 8 years older. He is less of a defensive player than Grimes. Is he coming here to be the starter? That means you are relegating your #5 pick to the bench. For a dude that might average 15ppg. I'd the plan is to get Tobias, then wouldn't it make more sense to also go get a like Buddy Heild even if they have to overpay him. Using the cap wisely. This team is in dire need to improve. They also still need a backup center or pay highly to replace Duren. What's your projected starting lineup if Harris is coming here? Cade, Ivey, Fontecchio, Harris, and Duren. Bench of Ivey, Hardaway, Holland, Ausar, Stewart. I'm personally don't care for Stewart. I would like them to trade him. You still have Sasser. If they only bring in Hardaway, Harris and Holland. That's a very disappointing off-season. When they could have kept Grimes, brought in Harris, overpaid for Buddy Heild traded Stewart for Miles Bridges in a sign and trade. And picked up a back up center like Jonas Valančiūnas or Dario Saric on the cheap. Then you could a lineup like Cade, Buddy Harris. Bridges Duren. Bench of Ivey, Holland Fontecchio, Ausar, Dario, Sasser, Grimes. That lineup would take a lot of pressure off Cade and give the younger guys time to develop.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

2 күн бұрын

@@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures Grimes has a good chance of outperforming THJ next year. But Cade is Buddies with THJ. Keeping the franchise player happy while tanking for 3 more years isn't easy.

Langdon is a definite upgrade over Weaver....

@Truthtella

4 күн бұрын

Maybe we will have to wait and see.

@ethankinnunen4839

4 күн бұрын

@@davidwright1728 It seems that way so far, but only time will tell.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

4 күн бұрын

So far he has been following Weaver's Restoration plan.

@Truthtella

4 күн бұрын

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 facts

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 That's not even remotely true: if Weaver had been doing it properly, Langdon wouldn't have to be....doing it properly. Holy fuck some of y'all ignorant.

I’m still being open minded about It but , Tobias is not worth the money or even close to it and I would rather grab a couple of consistent role players than bet on an older overpriced and inconsistent player

LOL. I said for years, we in love with every player.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

4 күн бұрын

Cade is the perfect example.

Aight can we stop saying this team was the worst team like the players aren't good..monty could of coached better we could of had 10 more win n something to build on for this year injured players all year cade coming back it was a lot weaver not helping getting better vets..talk about that these players aren't bad..one of the ESPN host had us winning 35 games n up last season..so he thought we was at least good enough to winn that many games..when u can't win n have the record n losing with 28 straight games that's coaching

@Truthtella

4 күн бұрын

Facts everybody really underplays how these players were set up for failure with Monty. Especially Ivey. The 14 wins was a coaching issue not the talent of the players. I watch Casey purposely tank games with a lesser team than the one last year. Monty cost Detroit about 7-10 games this year. So I totally agree.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

@@Truthtella They suck and have no talent, that's why Stew is inexplicably the second-best player on an NBA team in 2024. You two don't know what the fuck you're looking at.

If Grimes didn't want to be here well he can kick rocks.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

4 күн бұрын

I heard the Pistons didn't want to offer an extension. Why would he want to waste a contract year on a team that doesn't want him?

Troy never got to pick his coach amd we dropped in the draft 3 years in a row.

Langdon will get a year . The fans are sick and tired of losing with the money he has he must go after a decent free agent screw this take on bad contracts for assets. His first draft ok because there wasn't much there...no coach yet come on man get It done...

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

He's going to need a lot more than that. And he's absolutely going to have to go the "take on bad contracts for assets" route, because Weaver has fucked the team over so bad.

Anyone else find it comical that this guy spent 15 minutes lecturing his audience on how dare anyone question Trajan Langdon's trade of Grimes? Then he followed it up with saying not signing Fonteccio would be bad asset management by describing all the overlapping characteristics of Fonteccio and Grimes (A guy who gets you 15 pts a game, 38% from 3, defend a couple positions). The same reasons he gives for signing Fonteccio are all the reasons I have heard fans criticize the trade of Grimes. How does this guy know Grimes didn't want to be here in Detroit? I have not heard that reported anywhere, but maybe I missed that. If that is true and Grimes told Langdon he didn't want to play in Detroit or the medical staff saw health red flags, then I would have less of an issue with him being sent out. I like Langdon as President and I'm excited to see what he can do. I like the Holland and Klinkman draft picks. I like taking on a floor spacing vet for draft capital, but I don't like losing 1 of our only 2 3&D wings in the current 8/9 man rotation as the roster currently stands. Obviously the roster isn't final and I'm not privy to Langdon's detailed vision, so maybe he has some 3&D guys slotted to get still.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

The Hardaway trade was totally fine. Grimes doesn't matter, and seems to get hurt a lot.

@ZachErickson-0222

3 күн бұрын

@@scottwickett1273 it was an ok trade. I give it a C+. Would have been an A had we not sent Grimes and only received 2 2RPs. If Langdon ends the summer replacing Grimes with another 3&D player (Okoro), then this will look much better.

You're a Trajan fan, we get it. But I've been watching the Pistons for 40 years and EVERY GM has failed. Even Joe Dumars, who brought us a 2004 championship, was eventually run out of town for the AI and Josh Smith trades. I don't give a rip about Trajan. My only concern now is for Cade. ALL future moves need to be based around him and so far I am skeptical.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

Dumars WON A CHAMPIONSHIP, HE DID NOT FAIL. Trader Jack WON TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS, HE ALSO DID NOT FAIL. Do you....not know how to count? Because both of those things happened within the 40 year timeline that you specified. What the fuck, dude.

Also second picks aren't assets.

@PalacePistons

4 күн бұрын

That’s just not true whatsoever.

@ronaldmcdonald1977

4 күн бұрын

SO how did it just help the Mavs get Grimes? Make it make sense bro.

@ronaldmcdonald1977

4 күн бұрын

Mavs receive: P.J. Washington 2024-second-round pick 2028 second-round pick Hornets receive: Grant Williams Seth Curry 2027 first-round pick

@ronaldmcdonald1977

4 күн бұрын

Sixers get: Buddy Hield (via Pacers) Pacers get: Furkan Korkmaz (via 76ers) Doug McDermott (via Spurs) 2024 second-round pick (via Raptors) 2029 second-round pick (via Blazers) Cash considerations (via 76ers) Spurs get: Marcus Morris 2029 second-round pick (via LA Clippers)

@ronaldmcdonald1977

4 күн бұрын

Thunder receive: Gordon Hayward Hornets receive: Vasilije Micic Tre Mann Davis Bertans 2024 second-round pick (via Rockets) 2025 second-round pick (via 76ers)

I'm not upset at this because Detroit has always gotten pennies on the dollar for their trades. Charlotte gets 3 2nd rd picks for accepting 5 mill in cap sace, we got 3 take on 12 mill dump. The players mean nothing here its a salary dump both ways. These trades are about relationships if someone believes they may need you in the future they might be inclined to be generous however nobody believes they will need anything from Detroit. They know their star player (if he were to ever request a trade) will never in a million years requst a trade to Detroit. Its really that simple... this can only be changed by winning +time.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

The Hornets probably got three picks in the 50s, whereas our Pistons probably got the #35 pick next year along with two 2028 SRPs. The returns on these two trades are definitely not the same.

That money Langdon is paying Hardaway he could have used to pay Fonteccio.

@PalacePistons

4 күн бұрын

They still have $51 million in cap space. Plenty to pay Fontecchio and multiple other players.

@pheralanpathfinder4897

4 күн бұрын

I preferred Trent but Cade wanted his buddy. I don't think Grimes will be a star so it's just a bad trade, not a terrible trade.

Troy Weaver wasn’t perfect, but you’re telling a blatant lie, when you say that he had freedom to do whatever he wanted. Arn Tellem had final say & vetoed Troy Weaver, on more than one occasion. Tom Gores wouldn’t even let him choose a coach. Did Quentin Grimes tell you that he didn’t want to be in Detroit, or are you assuming? I can’t take you seriously.

@scottwickett1273

3 күн бұрын

Weaver was the very worst GM in the history of the sport, regardless of why.