As a little child I thought in this box called "radio" are little people who make music. I litterally took the box apart, did not find them, and was punished. But it reminds me that searching for consciousness, we take the box apart, our brain, and do not find what we were searching for. 🥁🙄

@KursaiEdukus

2 жыл бұрын

Nicely put!

@quantumpotential7639

2 жыл бұрын

The radio is just a receiver of a signal. Your brain is also a receiver. The signals come in from both external and internal sources. Hearing the a sound, like a radio, is external. Processing a thought is an internal signal (caused by electrical synapses in the receiver I e. Brain. Hope this simplifies things further for you. My signal is free from any interference, other than those that are introduced by your internal sources. Pre established frames. Thanks

@RolandHuettmann

2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumpotential7639 Do you think I am not aware of all those notions and "explanations"? ))). They all do not explain consciousness. It is discussed over and over here in this series. There is a fundamental gap of understanding. For most people, they do not even recognise the gap. No matter how deeply you look into the brain, the physical wireing does not explain the content's base -- the awareness itself. Signals need a knower being aware. And our brain even reduces the flood of signals. There is an interesting book from Aldous Huxley from the last century: "The doors of perception". There are not just a few scientists pondering over the question.

@Leathania

2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumpotential7639 No the brain is not the receiver it is the sender. Your senses are transmitted.

@robinj.9329

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes! Exactly. I had similar issues with my first, 50's era television set. These sets had about three dozen "Tubes" inside. And a panel in back that was punched full of little holes to let air circulation take away all the heat generated by those glowing tubes. Looking inside, it looked just like seeing a city, at night, from far away. As a boy I thought all the actors (the people) I saw on the screen must live inside my set, in that city!!!! NO LIE !

" Maybe our mental capacities don't allow us to understand those aspects of consciousness". The best answer I have heard without hubris.. We may never know our awareness!!!

@alanmacdonald3763

2 жыл бұрын

We can , takes inner discipline to separate local reactions from no local creative solutions

Good old professor Lakoff. Love his books on metaphors.

I really enjoyed this episode and listening to George Lakoff. Very interesting topic!

Consciousness is baffling only if we look for it in the wrong place.

An Excellent Program about the Nature , Universe and Human Psyche . My Best Favorite Program

Currently reading about this in Carl Jung s book Man and his symbols, I highly recommend it. Thank you very much for your work in sharing these productions.

@robinj.9329

2 жыл бұрын

C.G. Jung! Yes, incredible man, with a vast and far reaching mind. Scholars have spent DECADES (literally!) just trying to understand the thoughts, ideas and theories of this one great man!

@vanlepthien6768

2 жыл бұрын

Except too many people have turned Jung into mystical mumbo-jumbo.

@jesselandry8308

2 жыл бұрын

I picked up my phone to continue listening to the audiobook of this tonight and saw this recommended on KZread instead, and your comment featured. Synchronicity is insane!

@francescos7361

2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful

Lakov has the right starting point from which a robust (scientific) understanding of consciousness may be kept at least possible while carrying various ideas forward

Meaningful content yes closer to the truth 💯🙏👌

Everyone should read “metaphors we live by” from George Lakoff. Been following his work for over 30 years now. This was so awesome 🤩 thanks 🙏🏻 I love you guys!!! ❤️‍🔥🙌

@grievouserror

2 жыл бұрын

"Don't Think of an Elephant" has been on my shelf for a couple of decades.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

I just listened to this... George Lakoff on Embodied Cognition and Language kzread.info/dash/bejne/iouNw9F6n8zQlLQ.html I'm so happy to have found someone who is like minded and who expresses our thoughts in more detail. I will be recommending this video.

Excellent.... thanks 🙏.

Fascinating. I'm completely "ignoramus" about all of this but have GREAT curiosity about it. Thank you.

One thing not mentioned which I find fascinating. We are able to hear, read a story or watch a movie and know we didn't experience that event. I think even more interesting when combined with our understanding of metaphors and incomplete story telling of an event.

@jackarmstrong5645

2 жыл бұрын

All of experience is a simulation. We do not experience the tree out in the world. We experience a simulation of it that is colored. The tree itself is not colored. It merely has reflexive qualities. Colors are something evolved brains create when colorless invisible energy of certain frequencies strike molecules in the retina.

Excellent talk!

This is one of the best ideas I heard in closer to truth.

Very interesting thanks ❤️

Bravo . . .

Very good.

This is so freakin awesome

Consciousness: That annoying time between naps

fascinating

Hey Philosopher here, philosophers have been focused on consciousness for thousands of years. Will gladly share recs

Remarkable

Consciousness is an idea. It exists in our minds and in the language we use to describe “it” to communicate about “it”. What is “it”. It is a compilation of different “things”. Just like we call the universe the universe we still don’t know what “it” is. We can observe it and experience it like we experience consciousness but summing it up in one word or one sentence to explain it simply may not be possibly. Discovery and exploration is important. It’s the sum of many parts and processes for one purpose. Survival.

@doctorjay1976

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is not just an idea, it's experience itself. It's the canvas in which ideas are painted onto. Human consciousness has moved beyond mere survival millennia ago. It's beyond survival at this point. It's about discovery and exploration you mentioned. It's about principles that go beyond life and death. Its purpose is the same as what brought you to this video. It's about coming closer to truth.

@georgedoyle7971

2 жыл бұрын

@@doctorjay1976 Well said!!

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

@Artificial cocoon intelligent being But acknowledging that our survival is going on within the cocoon of civilization. It's as difficult to run civilization on instinct as it is to navigate within civilization on instinct. I imagine today instinct driven people would be very rare and if there were any they would probably live in the jungle or in jail.

Thank you for your videos. I always considered that the reason the same parts of the brain are used for both seeing and thinking about seeing is that the human body is "fly by wire." Using this idea, such revelations become obvious.

@vinm300

2 жыл бұрын

Jeff Hawkins pointed that out years ago : all parts of the brain do the same thing - hierarchical pattern recognition.

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon

Hoping to hear about the non-locality of consciousness beyond the observer effect.

The Vedic tradition, many thousands of years ago, through the cognitions of the Vedic seers, expressed that all creation arises from the internal dynamics of a field of pure consciousness beyond time and space. The Vedas proclaim that all the laws of nature exist virtually within that transcendent reality and are referred to as Smriti (memory). As consciousness, in the process of being aware of itself, it remembers it's infinite dynamic nature within it's infinite dynamic silence. This explanation did not arise through the exercise of human intellect, but, was the result of direct experience of this ultimate reality. The Vedas are not human creations but cognitions experienced as sound...the primordial, eternal vibrations of consciousness which give rise to all manifest reality. Funnily enough....string theory posits that all elementary matter and forces are creations of infinitesimally small vibrating strings, each of which depending on it's mode of vibration, gives rise to different elementary particles. However, String Theory stops there...i.e., where do these vibrations emerge from? So, ultimately, the Vedas proclaim, as absolute consciousness expressing it's own nature and the dynamics with in it, that all that exists arises from an absolutely abstract, subjective reality which, by definition, can never be located by objective means....only through the subjective means afforded to us with a normally developed nervous system, which pure consciousness itself created. It's important to remember that our true deepest nature is absolute, unbounded pure consciousness...unbounded creative intelligence, which we have the potential to express in our thinking and activity when that nervous system functions in the way Nature intended.

@alanmacdonald3763

2 жыл бұрын

Yes memory versus streaming from source

@allenmaa7064

2 жыл бұрын

One of the most unfortunate problems with modern history whether focused on narratives of Europe or any other history. The Indus Civilizations and of coursle and especially in the insights of the Vedas - are truer and will in the end be more promising than anything anywhere in the human continuum on the nature of the Sacred and our Consiousness. Thank you. It's time to credit and learn from India.

@transcender5974

2 жыл бұрын

@@allenmaa7064 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a man who attained Brahman Consciousness and who learned about the true nature of the Vedas from his own cognitions and from his master, Divinity Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, the Jagad Guru Shankacharya of Jyotir Math, and who had a degree in physics from Alhallabad University brought the absolute knowledge of the Vedas to the world. He inspired many scientists to objectively verify the results of the regular practice of the Transcendental Meditation Technique and it's advanced programs including the TM-Sidhis program including Yogic Flying...all techniques of consciousness from the Vedic tradition. These techniques lend themselves well to scientific study because of their systematic nature....providing a consistent experience of deeper, more settled experiences of consciousness and samadhi. This is in contrast to the ineffective mediation techniques that have been popular for hundreds, if not thousands of years based on effort/concentration/contemplation which left spiritual aspirants devoid of the goal of enlightenment. As a result, over almost 400 peer reviewed studies have been published on the mental, physical, psychological and sociological effects of practicing the Vedic technologies of consciousness. The subjective experiences of long term TM meditators are verifying the descriptions of the nature of consciousness and the experience of higher states of consciousness when the pure, unbounded, eternal field of pure consciousness is not only experienced during meditation and periodically in activity, but is known on the level of a person's individual self and in the environment as the background deepest reality of all that perceived through the senses. While any objective means of study cannot absolutely observe and verify a purely subjective reality like pure consciousness...these scientific studies can very importantly imply the veracity of the Vedic descriptions of consciousness and the results of rising to higher states of consciousness, and in mature practitioners of these meditation techniques, we can hear some experiences of directly cognizing the impulses of the Veda as the self interacting dynamics of pure consciousness.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

When was writing invented?

"I DON'T SEE ART and image as an isolated part of existence, more like the point of intersection, the balance between all aspects, nature and artifacts. Accordingly, my main interest is not upon art, but what is the origin of art, mans position in existence. Psychology, history, philosophy, languages in all forms, symbols, our mind-reeling technical achievements and why not culinary pleasures - are our labels on top of the depth beneath the surfaces."

Once we become fully conscious we confront infinity. Knowing that you can either consciously create a sustainable platform in which to dwell for infinity (without descending into madness), or default to the existing Matrix, is beyond the comprehension or ability of most.

@spiralsun1

2 жыл бұрын

Well said thanks 🙏🏻

@chyfields

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiralsun1 Thank you for projecting your appreciation. 😊

Saw something like this somewhere - What is the evidence that matter exists? It is only through the mind that matter is perceived and all arguments for its precedence in reality are dependent upon sensory perceptions that are generated within the mind as a response to specific frequencies of existence. Perceptions are generated in response by the mind as it is a generating mechanism not a perceiving instrument. And part of what it generates is a mindscape it classifies as "the material world". And this mind of which the material world is an instrument is an instrument itself of consciousness.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

My mind is in the world and the world is in my mind but I suspect my mind and the world are seriously different.

He made the most profound statement between 6:09 and 6:20 during the period of this video. Aside from that he seems to be speaking more about human learning and communication processes.

“From all we have learnt about the structure of living matter, we must be prepared to find it working in a manner that cannot be reduced to the ordinary laws of physics. And that not on the ground that there is any ‘new force’ or what not, directing the behavior of the single atoms within a living organism, but because the construction is different from anything we have yet tested in the physical laboratory.” “Matter and energy seem granular in structure, and so does ‘life’, but not so mind.” - Erwin Schrödinger

That part about inferring parts of a story without every detail is an important human ability I think. It reminds about what I heard somewhere that if you could give a lion the ability to understand and speak English and if you had a conversation with that lion where he could describe his life and thoughts. Even though the lion will be saying words you understand you will have no idea what he’s trying to say because our frames of reference are so different. The way a lion thinks would be so different you wouldn’t be able to communicate with it even with a common language. Hope that makes sense. I’m not much better than a lion at communicating.

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

If a lion had the ability to understand and speak English that lion would probably be conscious if he wasn't sleeping.

My new understandings of what many call 'God' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE... Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us. My autobiography explaining how I, and others I've told, have used this chant to change our poisons into medicine titled: 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within', is now available at Amazon Books for 99cents (the lowest Amazon allowed me to price it) To read more about Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo please read Tina Turner's new book: Happiness Becomes You -- or Google 'Let go, and let God' by Olivia Newton-John.

I think it may just be a matter of time, evolving the consciousness and understanding little by little. Some of us further along than others may be which is not an issue unless it becomes destructive. (like it is today) Human beings will eventually evolve to understanding all of this as my optimistic outlook, we must.

@0ptimal

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, the bad thing about it is what it may take for the world to do that. It could be a gradual smooth process, but I think more likely it requires a paradigm shifting experience. Suffering is maybe the most powerful and likely provider of that. For humans it is a fundamental perception shaping force like no other, and is necessary to maintain the most beneficial perspective, something that has mostly vanished from life today. We need that constant force pressuring us, shaping us, otherwise things become distorted. We learn what's important when we see what we value is not worthy of the value we place on it. That our values we're wrong, or mistaken, not beneficial. And these steps move us down the path of understanding. There may be other ways to travel this path, but it would take deep introspection and understanding that I think few are capable of much less the entire world. I mean, how do you open someone's eyes who doesn't even know they're closed? We can try but seems only they can go through the experiences that open them. In the end I am optimistic too, for mind and consciousness, just wish the world would see before having to be taught by nature. The more off our perspective is the harder it will be.

Individuality is an instantiated position of view (POV). The individual POV is instantiated within all single-cell hosts by the entanglement molecule (EM). In individualized multicellular hosts like mammals, birds, fish, insects, etc., a secondary emerged POV is instantiated by the entanglement cell (EC). The EC heterodynes together many EC POV to establish a unique emerged POV; you. Read about it on LiveScience Forum topic: 'What is a living individual and is it naturally universally mobile?'

I don't think consciousness is any more of a puzzle than how other things work in general? EG why does mass/energy warp/affect space/time? What exactly IS that mechanism? We can describe the effects, but we can't really say what it is beyond the words/phrases we use as metaphors to say what it's doing. Also, what is magneticism? Sure it is a 'force' that causes some kinds of material to move or react in a certain way. But HOW does it work? What is the linkage? How do 'fields' affect other physical things? At the base, it means consciousness MUST be physical like magnetism and the strong and weak forces are physical because all three somehow interact with the world around it or within which it operates.

George Lakoff love him .Like Tipler

Because we ultimately don’t know what it is exactly that we are conscious of.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

Ignorance of 'reality' is a permanent condition for every conscious entity. We are conscious only of our thoughts. Right?

I was struggling to work out who's leg is connected to who.

When were all these episodes shot, is this still an ongoing series?

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon

As usual on this topic: more questions than answers. In fact, there are almost no answers at all when discussing consciousness.

What does synesthesia say about the qualia of sound and color? Nothing like the smell of music in the morning... sounds like red.

Perhaps this is a start: when a person thinks and talks about the term qualia do an MRI right then and, at least in principle, you should be able to tell whether the word comes from connections in the brain or if a non-material force did something.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

'Qualia' is just a label for some of the elements in the conscious field.

Going round in circles....

Trigger words, for me, are "neural binding". That's because I've done research relating the binding problem to DNA entanglement between neurons. George Lakoff caught my attention years ago, when I recall reading about the role of concepts and metaphor. I just googled him now to refresh my memory. His area of work includes cognitive linguistics. I anticipate that he's acquainted with Peircean semiotics, maybe Thomas Sebeok's work on linguistics. Can't fathom why this agile, astute thinker hasn't crossed over to the Dark Side (semiotics), a productive, vibrant area of research. He probably has his reasons.

Consciousness is storage of experiences- experiences determine your trait which was also motivated and influenced by genes. You are a unique specimen moulded by inheritance.

This video will help you get closer to the truth there Is a beautiful Man****

Trying to find where the music physically is in a radio.

4:22 Yes but also this ability could be in a spectrum; how much you are describing is perhaps dependent on some other 'thing' the brain does. For example, why does someone paints a ridiculous amount of details (the menu, the color of the menu, what attitude the waiters had, how much time they talked) and someone else paints only a fraction of the whole picture, the basics? Could it be related to memory? Could it be that the first person has a feeling of information overload and by speaking it out he takes that load off his brain? Or he has a feeling of arrogance, he wants to show off his memory? I don't know, I am just thinking about the matter here...

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter. Everything everyone writes or speaks, whether it be a little or a lot is but the merest skeletal outline of the actuality. i.e. A picture is worth a thousand words. (and a movie even more).

Sub-conscious leads us to consciousness which leads us to awareness and betterment of ourselves which takes our biological circuits to new levels of understanding, these mental evolutions will help us solve non_physical quantum questions, I hope what I said makes sense to someone.

Could neural binding unity produce a sense of self / consciousness?

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

The purpose of neurons and their synapses is to maintain analogies and permit analogies to modulate each other, very, very generally speaking. The analogies are encoded in the form of neural discharge frequency. Synapses allow the frequency of one neuron to modify the frequency of others. Imagine now the self to be an analogy. Analogy and frequency are both abstract notions and why our minds and thoughts feel so light and airy.

It's because you study matter in attempt to learn about consciousness, but you also completely misunderstand matter.

@S3RAVA3LM

2 жыл бұрын

They dont like metaphysics here I've noticed. That's fine, they must realize by quantifying everything you're never going to get much further from whence you started. "The physics of consciousness says...." ?

If one defines consciousness on all of its aspects then it may well be possible to write computer programs to satisfy that criteria. Self aware, sure Awareness of the outside, sure again limited to sensory stuff ... Anyway, this could be an approach to study what consciousness is. May not be a fun approach for everybody, though.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

Being conscious is a thinking process. Process is an abstract notion. This is why our thoughts seem immaterial to us.

Consciousness is the key to existence (and existence is the key to consciousness)....I very much doubt the brain produces it (or matter)...I think consciousness produces matter, so to speak. Look up "non-local consciousness"...fascinating.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

Consciousness is an abstract notion. As such it has no location, local or otherwise although, of course, the substrate of the process is certainly located.

The importance of consciousness is evident to every wise person, but understanding the origin of the consciousness and the soul, and exactly how they work, maybe beyond the present day science or maybe beyond science. So in the absence of a clear scientific understanding of consciousness, I believe in the second possiblity(GOD forbids forever unlocking the secret of the soul)

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

Gods and souls are hypotheticals. Being conscious isn't.

Because it creates reality through interpretation. Without life in the universe reality as we interpret it would not exist.

All the difficulties arise by confusing and muddling up consciousness and mind. But if you define the functions of attention, memory, unity, etc as belonging to mind and subjective awareness of all of these mental functions to consciousness, then the confusions go away.

4:38 ''Prices are rising'' is not a metaphor, is it? 5:08 This metaphor example, makes me think: the person who hears the metaphor has to first know the meanings of the words 'love' and 'journey' and have some kind of experience related to those words as well to get the metaphor. He then could store the words in his memory and recall when he hears the phrase. 6:10 I would say that being aware means simply when some biological being has any kind of interaction with its environment; could be just moving its eyes being aware of the surroundings, its legs being aware of the construct ground or interaction like a bear hitting the branches for fruits to fall, ears for interaction with air waves which is part of the external world. All our senses are ways of interacting with the external reality/world so humans and animals are definetely conscious I would say, without being sure off course. It is just a thought. 6:26 What kind of question is that though? Why does a cello feel like a cello and not a piano? This is a bullshit question because it is a 'why' question; we cannot ever know the why, we can only give our 'why', our reason for existence but the truth cannot be given. It produces different air waves than the piano and the ones that cello gives, makes us feel like we listen to cello lol.. Red looks red because the light has specific wave lengths and there is always one for red and there is always one for green; why? Who knows? It the same as asking why you exist.. Can you answer? I am waiitingg...lol

@dietrevich

2 жыл бұрын

Prices are rising IS a metaphor as prices are not physical things and thus cannot move. Prices have increased is not a metaphor. On the subject of color and sound, is the interpretation of our brain what makes it interesting, as color is not an inherent property of anything, only our brain's perception and processesing of a wavelength hitting our eyes. Technically we could look at "red" and we can all be seeing different things. We only agree in that our brain's consistently processes the wavelength the same way every time so that we can all refer to it when we talk about it.

Because it is fundamental.

@Dion_Mustard

2 жыл бұрын

agreed, before the universe existed, there was consciousness.

@JonHarrington9075

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard I'm totally with you on that! My belief is that consciousness has no objective qualities, it'd not an "object" As such, it is "timeless", "causeless" , "infinite", as it can have no "boundaries"

@Dion_Mustard

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonHarrington9075 i agree, and this has been proven through near death experiences and out of body experiences whereby people's consciousness seems to leak out into the universe through quantum entanglement,

✊✊✊🍷🎩 The important conversation. Consciousness is no illusion, it’s the whole point. The material world is our playground.

@maxwellsimoes238

2 жыл бұрын

Conscieness are ilusion in squizogrenic for instance or conscieness show up fallacies in the world.

@kos-mos1127

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is not the whole point. The material world is not our play ground because we are not conscious of the structures of the world. We perceive the world as it appears before us.

@maxwellsimoes238

2 жыл бұрын

@@kos-mos1127 Conscieness Not figuret out External World because real world are unpredicted.

@spiralsun1

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is the whole point, yes. The growth and development of it. It’s not a game or a playground though. It’s serious and important to the future of us all. To existence. Everyone we meet matters, everything we do matters. The material world is serious too. Yogis or religious people who say it is “illusion” are dropping out of the eternal quest based on an actual important insight and putting all their eggs in the one insight. This is not how education works. Real education is to read in many different areas. To understand religion, we read about many religions and compare it to many other things in life. This is how we truly make a mind “at one with the universe” a god-mind, becoming “sons of god” or reaching Nirvana, etc. we have to be careful in emphasizing any one aspect to the exclusion of others. Take the idea of “sin” -which is following an illusory drive as if it was an end in itself. Certainly it is wisdom for a body to eat or have sex, but there are higher things to consider-higher meanings. We should look at it as “everyone is correct” in a certain context, emphasizing different aspects of the elephant, instead of “they are wrong”. Even sex and food as material pleasure is not “wrong”. Quantum physics and relativistic physics are not “wrong” but there is obviously more to the story. Organisms and people seem to want to focus on one niche, one way of seeing, to the exclusion of others-and that has always vexed me in the extreme. It’s like getting off an elevator at one story because you are afraid of heights, instead of riding all the way to see from the level of all the stories. Farther than any one story.

@1SpudderR

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm? Yep?...I hope you have found the Material World...... Because - When I look for the Quantum office, The reply comes back “Not known here”!?

The Big Four of AFFECTIVE COGNITION: Sylvan S. Tomkins (Affect Image Consciousness); Jaak Panksepp (Affective Neuroscience); George Lakoff (Moral Politics, Metaphors We Live By); Mark L. Solms (The Hidden Spring, New Project for a Scientific Psychology). If you haven't struggled through all their major works, you're not yet qualified to run for Congress (and, Boy, do we need you in Congress!).

Consciousness is baffling because we believe our perceptions are true. And this only those who have returned to the mind and realize they are the perceived. Most operate under the assumption that there is an objective world outside their mind. For them, sleep is seen as being awake. They will meander through illusions as the hero of their own dream until some catalyst comes along that places their grip on "reality" in question.

There are other questions that cannot be answered as well. Why me? Why do I experience ME.. As ME? And you experience.. YOU... As YOU? Why did I not experience someone else's life, thoughts and desires? Only my own... My consciousness could have arisen at any time throughout history, but it didn't, it arose the day I was born. Why?

@JonHarrington9075

2 жыл бұрын

Hello! I think those questions can be answered, maybe..... Firstly, would you agree that a person's sense of "me" is made up of their conscious awareness of their thoughts, feelings, perceptions, and past experiences? It sounds to me as if you think that it could be possible for your sense of "me" to have been someone else's sense of "me" ? And that you don't know what stops that happening? Well, if you had a friend's sense of what they experience as their sense of "me", then wouldn't you actually be your friend ? Whatever thoughts, feelings, etc that you have, then that would always be your sense of "me", don't you think? Also, no-one could ever have been born as someone else, because this hypothetical "someone else", would be "themselves".. I think that for it to be any other way, you'd have to believe in "souls" Also, Your consciousness couldn't have arisen in any other time in history.... Unless you believe we have souls.... Because - what makes up "you" (feeling the first person experience of "me") is made up of your present thoughts, feelings, history, etc and any change in, say your history (your parents for example) would have resulted in a different person (with their sense of "me") which would have nothing to do with 'you' right now....there would be no conception of who you are now...... In short, as I see it, we are all the product of our genetics, experience, thoughts, etc, and we exist in the only way that we could.... Nothing else makes any intellectual sense.... You can't even say "I could have been born in China" because you (possibly) aren't a person who was born in China.... Absolutely no offense intended here, but I don't think your first question makes sense (about why you weren't born with someone else's life, thoughts and desires) because if it did, I think you should be able to answer this question: "how do you know that you haven't been born without someone else's life, thoughts and desires?" Hope this makes sense!?🤔

@GetawayFilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonHarrington9075 I understand perfectly. I feel (apart from your comments about 'souls') that you did not understand me. Or maybe I lack the vocabulary to articulate exactly what I'm trying to convey when I say 'you' or 'me'. Maybe there is no vocabulary to express the thoughts I wish to impart on others for this conversation to make any sense (intellectually) to anyone outside of my own existence. At least you tried (I guess)

@JonHarrington9075

2 жыл бұрын

@@GetawayFilms Thanks! But "at least you tried (I guess)"? "I guess"? I did try, it was far from a half-hearted reply.....oh well 🤷‍♂️

Consciousness seems to be a transcomputational phenomenon which relies on quasi-computational features (which brings unity, computational detachment, simplification etc) that are causally emerging from very special and carefully regulated computational configurations in human brain. I think qualia and awareness are non-causally imposed on this quasi-computational framework from a non-accessible realm. This would mean that consciousness is not reproducible in the machines we are building even if humans achieve %100 exact particle/process/relation replication of human brains mental/physical processes. This would also mean that the qualia and awareness will always remain outside the reach of scientific method.

@davidgough3512

2 жыл бұрын

Yet some can't wait to have an AI "friend" and give "rights" to robots, just because they mimic life forms.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

The essence of the being conscious process lies in the nature of analogy. Neural discharge frequency is the means by which analogies in brains are manifest.

Humans will never fully understand the constructs or inner workings of consciousness. It's complexity is in the source. A direct influence from nature. Nature provides consciousness as a means for us to navigate the immeasurable amount of information being processed in our brains. Scientists are often at a standstill when it comes to the basic fundamentals of nature. They can explain the process and it's purpose, and theorize nature's intent, but struggle with exactly how it happens. This will forever be the case with consciousness. It's origins at the fundamental level will always escape us.

Or maybe consciousness is more fundamental than conscious thought or scientific reasoning, in which case the latter -- the effect -- will never be able to fathom the cause...

Consciousness isn't baffling, it is baffled. When it becomes unbaffled, it is perfectly clear.

It doesn't baffle me because i know that when i'm dead to the point that there are no vibrations anymore. And when the vibration's go away, and your consciousness fades. P.s. when this happens you're not conscious about how long your reality lasts. Therefor if you don't have a sense of time you will get the feeling that the last few minutes takes infinite long. So it's not after death. But it's till death.

Read the Aitariya Upanisad and have your answer

We absorb so much and inescapably we are the stewards of the entire universe- Our brain seems to conceptualize it and tries non-stop make associations. I think in regards to Human Nature that there are a limited psychological interactions we can have each other. Well it's almost impossible to keep all of these in mind at one time we can do it automatically. (Like you said)

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon

Might conscious thought have to do with present, while subconscious thought has to do with past and future?

Hmm? Confusion seems to me....When You (The guest) refer to the “Unconscious”!? -- I talked to the brick fireplace....years ago! And I am not aware that it communicated back ! Yep! That is because it is Unconscious! Surely there is talked confusion going on here between The Trilogy, “Awareness; Conscious; And Subconscious!?

Because we are on the wrong side of universe to be objective. We think consciousness is some human miracle. We constantly mistake agency for consciousness and intelligence.

The quality of "redness" and its association with warning or alarm could be primitively wired in to the way blood is made perceptible to vision.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

"Redness" and its association with warning or alarm could be primitively wired in to the way blood is made perceptible to vision. No need to use the word 'quality'. But other than that quibble I agree that what you say is very likely.

one mistake that i find almost all scientists making when referring to consciousness is that they seem to assume that consciousness means awareness. that is only a subset of our consciousness. in other words, what is commonly called our sub-conscious is still a part of our consciousness. i would say that most philosophers realize this. our consciousness is everything about us that separates us from being robots. this includes our sub-conscious, our dreaming, and anything that is SUBJECTIVE, no matter if we are currently aware of it or not.

@doctorjay1976

2 жыл бұрын

interesting thought. its comparable to an ocean, on the surface it appears simple and unassuming. However, below is tremendous depth, filled with wonder and beauty.

@razony

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Don't think it's a mistake though. It's the most obvious. Most scientists think that conscious resides in the brain only. We don't have a soul/spirit. We are a soul/spirit that has a body, that has consciousness. When the body dies. Our consciousness moves on. Energy can't be created nor destroyed, but only changes form. Our consciousness has to go somewhere. The question shouldn't read: What is consciousness? More like, where is consciousness and where does it go to?

@jimmybrice6360

Жыл бұрын

@@razony yea, i dont know if we can make any assumptions at all. we dont know that our consciousness is a form of energy. we dont have the slightest idea of what it is. western science has stagnated the learning about it, because it is so biased about it being created by the brain, despite all sorts of evidence that it is not. just look at all these people claiming to have had near death experiences. some see god and heaven. but almost all of them claim to have their spirits leave their body, where they see what is going on, while being elevated from their bodies. and supposedly they tell doctors stuff that they could not possibly have known, had they only been in their unconscious physical bodies. this stuff could be objectively verified. if western science was really searching for the truth, they would be banging down doors, wanting to investigate this stuff. but it would kill their materialistic viewpoint of the universe, and their search for another "particle". i think the odds are high that consciousness plays a major role in our universe, and perhaps the only thing that is fundamental. it is a shame that western science is not really science, in the sense that it has huge biases.

@razony

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmybrice6360 The only thing I disagree with your view. It's NOT an assumption that our consciousness is a form of energy. Our bodies are made up of electrical, mechanical, heat and light energy. And we know that cannot be destroyed...Of course our consciousness goes somewhere, and science is starting to see, it does leave the body. NDE's is one example. That's the wall that's slowly coming down. The ego and the materialist view of life. Till science sees this. They will stay right where they are and not move forward that's beyond that wall of consciousness. Right on with everything else though!

@jimmybrice6360

Жыл бұрын

@@razony hi amor, i agree that we are made up of various forms of energy. but since we dont know what consciousness is, we cant definitively say that it is made up of energy. we know our PHYSICAL world is made up of energy. but we dont know that consciousness is even a part of this physical world. western science, who thinks that the entire universe is physical, has no clue about what consciousness is. that may be why. about the only thing we really know about it, is that we experience it. the rest seems to be one huge mystery - LOL. for that matter, we dont really know what space or time is. i would not feel at all comfortable to state that they are made up of energy. there are things in space that have energy. but that does not absolutely lead to the conclusion that space is energy. and time may be as mysterious as consciousness. all we really know about it as well, is that we experience it.

relieved by the acknowledgement at the end- im not interested in the standard engineering type correlate investigations which dont explain consciousness / qualia - poor Robert is further from the truth after all this time .As Donald Hoffman so eloquently put it to Robert many years ago - supppose everyone experiences the colour red when neuron 100235689 fires - does that explain red- no it just deepens the mystery - how can ions flowing through channels etc be red?

Because if we were always 'unconscious' we wouldn't have survived to be able to ask the question.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

No! Every other animal runs on instinct and they survive perfectly well. We ran on instinct for millions of years before we learned to be conscious.

The medical term called unconsciousness doesn't mean the absence of consciousness. It is just a benumbed/dormant state of mind. Consciousness is the existent constant.

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon

"Mental capacities" prevent one from knowing consciousness.

I figured out after many years of study and thinking, both what it means to be aware and what qualia are. Neural functions are counterintuitive, but they are logical. The first step to gaining an understanding of these neural activities is to understand that the brain makes its perceptions. It evolved to do so, nothing but nutrients, cerebral spinal fluids and neurons pass between the brain and the rest of the body. Once one accepts that counterintuitive yet undebatable fact, the rest falls into place.

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Grrrrr woof! I bet daddy Bear can get it! 🔥🔥🔥

It is not baffling as long as one answers the question when called: DO YOU EXCEPT IT? MLord

Can we prove that memory is a part of consciousness? What if consciousness has a sampling frequency, and a single frame of conscious experience would still be consciousness even if the next frame hasn't got any memory of the previous frame? Maybe we have a conscious experience when we sleep, even if we don't remember it when we wake up.

@JonHarrington9075

2 жыл бұрын

I think that this vid might go some way to suggesting that "memory" doesn't play a part in consciousness... The poor guy only lives in 'the present', unable to form new memories.... kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKudyc-kpMzeYrw.html

i dont know much about this... but.. maybe when referring to unconscious thoughts , we should talk about them as non-recognized conscious thoughts? in the sense that even those are emerging from consciouness, like everything else? i dunno :)

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

I think "unconscious thoughts" is a poor phrase. Are they thoughts if one is not conscious of them? No! They are just biological activity. Sure, that activity 'seems' to be identical to the activity that constitutes the conscious process but that activity is not modulating the self process. As it is the self that is conscious, well, you see the difference.

Should you not define the concepts that you use by reference to more comprehensive theories have been formulated by the great thinkers before us? Part of what Lakoff says here is in line with Carl Jung, but he doesn’t make that explicit. In eastern filosofie other theories are used that give different content to concepts that have been used in translating from their texts.

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon

Some people can hear colors and see music, that should give one a hint where it comes from.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

I did when LSD temporarily messed with all my analogies.

Have scientists been able to work out approximately how many calories a day the brain uses to just imagine? And I'm curious if some thoughts cause the brain to work "harder," therefore burning more calories.

If we, as a biological species, never existed would consciousness still exist? That is to say, if you remove the observer then, does what is being observed still exists. Gravity comes to mind.

People need to say i dont know more. Its ok to not know you know.

It is like asking ant to make steak 🥩 barbecue 🍖!!!!!!! Even though that ANT is crawling on 🥩 Consciousness is beyond our capability to understand even though we always crawl on it!!!. But doesn’t hurt asking many different ways!

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon

Could the awareness that science cannot figure out be the clue to one theory that consciousness is like the earth's atmosphere, it is omnipresent? Perhaps the reason science cannot get its head around defining being aware is because a part of our brain is a receptor and whatever we are conscious of is what we are aware of. In other words, we interpret things in a unique way because our tuning mechanisms are all on the same wavelength, but everyone's and every living creature's brain are wired differently. This would explain how every living creature doesn't have to use its brain to be aware of the world it lives in; it's awarenss is gained from tuning into the 'atmosphere' of consciousness which is like the blood of our bodies: it's what the universe is composed of. It's the dark matter of existence for every living thing. If intelligent life is ever found elsewhere in the universe, I am sure that we would all be relating to life from the same perspective because everyone and everything is tuned into the same 'atmosphere' i.e. awareness.

@mnp3a

2 жыл бұрын

this is very close to some sort of pansychism or russelian monism

Man will build machines that we will converse with and the machines will claim to be conscious.

According to me Their are Billions of neurones in which consciousness is stored and it stores in the chunks of Bits or Qbits. And mathematical theory of Permutations and Combinations of signals of neurones works to build the consciousness which results in unimaginable combinations say trillions powers trillions combinations and after each moment these are so random that can't be defined with numbers of current available Math. That's the reason consciousness is so baffling.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

Жыл бұрын

Consciousness is not like soup that can be stored in things. Being conscious is a process. Process is an abstract notion.

Eastern dharm has been based on consciousness

Maybe the I or the sense of self is the spirit and that's why it can't be explained

Perhaps the mystical is needed to advance the science.

I would recommend,"The Dragons of Eden"...

Brain: I will try to find out everything that is happening outside my brain. Also Brain: Everything is happening inside my brain. Fun tip: Brain is the only organ to name itself, with languages it itself created.

@mcgraw8098

2 жыл бұрын

Deep

@eugene7518

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon