Favourite Genesis song and was gutted that they didn’t perform it 31/7/92 in Leeds. Phil’s having a bit of a time with it here and can see why they dropped it. Voice killer.

@peteuplink

6 ай бұрын

It's not an easy song to sing. I used to do vocals in a Genesis tribute act around the same time, and some nights it was a case of skipping this song for fear of messing up my voice.

@OnafetsEnovap

Ай бұрын

@@peteuplink Indeed. It's one of those songs that are a real challenge to sing, but when you sing it - and more importantly - sing it right... it's like watching a rainbow appear.

@dp92492

2 күн бұрын

And yet he did it during Last Domino, not well, but he did it.

Phil seems uncomfortable singing this... I remember an interview with Phil for the Invisible Touch Tour him saying he found'Mama' & Tonight, Tonight, Tonight vocally challenging and a strain on his voice perfoming this every night. So i wasn't surprised that Tonight, Tonight, Tonight was shortened and joined to Invisible Touch and Mama was dropped completely. The We Can't Dance Tour was a long tour and Phil was older. But he did perform Mama for the Turn it on Again Tour (much shorter tour ) and the band did lower the Key to save Phil's voice. Tonight was kept the same with Invisible Touch. Amazing Drummer / Singer was Phil 😊

@chrisorsten

5 ай бұрын

With "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", the high "Ohh-hoooo" he just points the mic into the crowd for them to si g it, and sings the bridge down an octave. So he did adjustments there, but for "Mama", yeah that's a tough one, and dropping the octave sounds terrible.

@santibanks

3 ай бұрын

You can clearly hear that Phil's voice is not in shape here, he was still recovering from an infection which caused them to cancel the show the week before in Tampa after 2 songs. Also, Tony messes up with the lead sound in the first half, meaning Phil doesn't have a clear pitch reference to tune his own voice against. You can hear that he at least sings slightly less hesitant in the second half when the band is there.

@IntoTheWhite04

8 күн бұрын

TTT was shortened because Mike just didn't like it that much. Can't remember where I read that

He did a pretty good job, but it was sensible to drop it considering the long set list that tour. It's in the original key which is pretty up there throughout. The much lower key of recent times gave it a very dark vibe!

@OnafetsEnovap

Ай бұрын

Indeed. Not many people are aware of this, but most live performances of this song actually get rid of the last verse before the explosive climax - the only tour which has the complete version of the song is the Mama Tour, its début tour.

Grazie per avermi riportato indietro a quel bellissimo concerto.. grazie ai Genesis,sempre nel mio ❤️

Great footage! I can understand now why they dropped it. Phil was really having trouble with the high notes. It’s a shame at the time they didn’t even contemplate lowering the key a half-step.

Mike Rutherford always stunning out his lead guitar duties wheyyy

Lightman, you magnificent bastard, you've done it again!

Es el mas grande, por momentos resurge de sus propias cenizas!!!!!!! Que par de huevos!!

Feel really privileged to have seen both Mama & TTT in all their glory @Wembley ‘87. Totally understand them dropping these voice rippers.

What a pro. Phil knows he's struggling to hit parts and adjusts as best he can.

Amazing footage, thanks for that! But now I can understand why they dropped it from the set list. Phil was really struggling with his voice.

@jaggass

Жыл бұрын

Phil just couldn't sing it original key anymore as his voice was aging. Genesis should have dropped it in key even in 1987 and 1990.

I saw this tour in Washington, DC earlier this same month, and this was the one song I wanted to hear more than anything. Sadly, they didn’t perform it that night. But as it was my first time seeing Genesis live in concert, I forgave them and had a BLAST anyway. 15th row, dead center on the floor. Slept out all night just to get tickets. Those were the days… 🔥🎸🥁

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH for posting this! 👏👏👏🌟🌟🌟 I was at this concert and seeing this footage of, what I thought, a MAGNIFICENT show of my favorite band, is PRICELESS ! Thank you! No one around me knew there were technical issues. We just all thought it was a variation to the recording just as most live performances are. No one mentioned or complained of Phil struggling with his voice either. Remember, these were the days before the internet so we didn't have comparisons unless we had access to bootlegs or other live recordings. The video screens was also a new thing and we were thrilled! So cool! Like watching a movie! My seats weren't great either so those screens were an extra special treat for me. 🥰 I read your replies to others that this is all you have but I'm crossing fingers that someday you will come across more footage of this show. THANK YOU AGAIN! For the video and all the interesting information regarding the performance and the song. HUGE KUDOS & HUGS ❤💥🤜🏻🤛🏼

@michelelaraia7358

Жыл бұрын

Web only from 1997

@davidloftus3771

Жыл бұрын

I was there too.👍

Completely understandable dropping this, it was a hard tour vocally I’d imagine, No son….., Driving the last spike, dreaming why you sleep.

I've been wondering for a very, VERY long time what were the screen visuals during this song for the 1992 tour. Now I finally know! Interesting choice of using a keylock! The only other video footage I had seen of this song being performed before was from the Opening Night documentary that showed a very short snippet of it being performed on the very first show of the tour, but the screens only showed the cameras without any effects, which matches the visuals on this during that bit of the song.

Pure gold!! Thank U!!!♡

Thanks, David! I never imagined such a recording would exist! Amazing to see them performing this in 1992!

@jaggass

Жыл бұрын

Every show is recorded and then forgotten about.

@phenixreturns

Жыл бұрын

this was for decades with the audio version

I was at the Miami show a week before. Genesis did Mama that night too. Thanks for sharing!! Subbed!

@mruniverse9978

Жыл бұрын

Such a shame there’s no bootleg of that show

@GenesisRehearsalStuff

11 ай бұрын

I wonder how many concert bootlegs are available from We Can't Dance Tour

@mruniverse9978

11 ай бұрын

@@GenesisRehearsalStuff probably tons becuase of technology advancing a lot from the IT tour

I can't believe it, this is pure gold, so rare!! Thank you from the deep of my heart❤

This is utterly fantastic!!😁 You said this was for Genesis fans. And I am one of the hardcore ones.😁 Thank you so much for posting this. For years all we had was the crappy audience recording. But this is top-notch in every way. Also quick note. I can see why they dropped the song now. Phil was struggling for some reason through the whole song. He was having a hard time with the highs.

That´s exactly the kind of Genesis-rarity, I was always hoping are gonna emerge somewhere over time. Thank you so much !

@willyc.8141

Жыл бұрын

Maybe one day we'll see a good quality video of Like It Or Not from the Abacab Tour, never say never

@thatmatt41

10 ай бұрын

@@willyc.8141 Some collectors believe that Like It Or Not was actually played at Nassau Coliseum, one of the shows filmed for the Three Sides Live film, although no tapes has shown up to confirm or deny this. There's a few shots in the film where a printed setlist can be made out on Tony's rig and it appears that Like It Or Not is written on the setlist. Typically, Like It or Not and Sarah Jane traded spots on the setlist, which makes a full Nassau tape an interesting proposition, plus what's circulating of Nassau from the TSL video and album actually isn't half bad in comparison to most of the shows of the NA leg of the tour. It's pretty cool that Toronto's Like It or Not was filmed, looks as good as it does, and is circulating online at all to be honest.

Phil's voice was bad because he was still feeling the affects of a cold from earlier in the month. The May 17th show in Tampa was cancelled because Phil was sick.

@bluerazor7049

Жыл бұрын

Yikes, I keep listening to the Houston recording of 'Mama' and he nails almost all but 'Can't you feel my heart' note in the main part of the song although he hit the other notes a little flat. Even on some recordings in '86 you can hear him struggle on the main notes which he extinguished by 1987.

@jaggass

Жыл бұрын

Phil was really pushing it at Houston but did fairly well. Phil probably ducked the high notes on Mama in 1987 because it was probably straining his voice with other some songs off the Invisible Touch which eventually got dropped in key. In 1990 when Genesis did a one off show at Knebworth 1990 Phil did Mama very well considering he was halfway through his solo tour

Thank you! Saw them at Giants Stadium USA June 1992 and sadly they did not play Mama.

Worked this show as a High School Junior, with the North Attleboro band! In the BEER GARDEN in the endzone. Always cracked me up that they trusted us, but it was indeed a different time 😉

finally, ive been looking for video footage of them performing this in ‘92 for ages and now its here.. thank you!!

Wow wow wow!!! 🤯 Thank you soooo much! Amazing! Never thought this would ever happen.

He performed this in Dallas too. Glad I got to see it then. Thanks for posting this footage !!!

Sensacional!! Parabéns pela postagem, amo esta versão mesmo com as falhas na voz do Phil.

Nuestro querido Phil en este concierto, estaba saliendo de una fuerte infección. Prácticamente hizo un gran esfuerzo aquí. Él debió descanzar aún. Pero fue leal a su público. Phil siempre fue sensible al frio. Y aquí estan todos abrigados. Solo ver al gran Chester Thompson con mangas larga, es más que suficiente. GENESIS BAND!!! GENESIS FAMILY!!! FOREVER FOREVER FOREVER!!! 🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

I was there, fantastic show as always!! Unfortunately because of my age it was the first time I saw them live but me and my sister have traveled extensively to see them since, including Helsinki Montreal and the left coast USA and the last two shows at the O2 in London

Wow!! This amazing, thanks for uploading this 😀

Wow thanks for this gem! Greay audio quality! Good performance with strange keyboard problems by Tony

Fantastic!!!! I’ve finally got to see the footage of this song!!!! I knew it would have great graphics as it showed them in the invisible series notebook!!! Thank you!!! Awesome

Must have been cold that night. Both Phil and Chester wearing sweaters!

@scottburns2600

Жыл бұрын

Just going to comment on that'!

@studioannur221

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, late May can still produce some chilly evenings in New England.

@TheAmarok87

Жыл бұрын

@@studioannur221 That's right. I remember listening to a bootleg of a Pink Floyd show which also took place in Foxborough in May 1994 and because of the freezing weather at that time, David Gilmour wished the audience a "merry early christmas". xD

Precious stuff!! Love it❣️Been a die hard fan since the seventies. Thanks so much for sharing 🙏

0:33 - what happened, Tony? :D

@santibanks

6 ай бұрын

I only know of this version and the one from Houston, and in both cases Tony messes up the sounds all the time during this song. Somehow it didn't work out… If you listen to when the drums come in, he plays the koto sound by mistake and then comes in with the right sound after, and also on the "off bar".

@magister8084

5 ай бұрын

@@santibanksAt 4:31....true :)

Nice to finally see and more hear it. Thanks so much for sharing

Awesome - way cool to see! Thanks for posting! Was there ever a soundboard recording of this show?

El último can you feel My heart es mortal

THANK YOU ENFIN TROUVER MAMA 😉👍

I was at this show!!! Awesome!!!!

Thanks for sharing!!

This footage is amazing! If you have the rest of the show we’d all love to see it! Any chance you’d be able to put this onto the movement too??

Pure Prog genius…..

Good they ended up replacing this tune in the setlist. However, as a singer, I TOTALLY respect what Phillip performed here; I think he kicked ass and pulled it off quite well for a 40+ year old man! God bless Phil Collins, I say!

Thanks once again, this is amazing, new dimension stuff.

wonderful. Thanks! Do you know why only this song was recorded from screens that night ? What was the initial purpose ?

@DavidLightman5

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if more was recorded - just all I have. There's at least one other video from this show on YT that I think was a broadcast. Prob transmitted via satellite for that - sometimes those "satellite backhauls" could be recorded by someone w/ a huge 80s style satellite TV dishes. Dunno though. All i got.

@leedsguy41

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightman5 hi David many thanks for uploading this rare gem , I’ve been collecting genesis videos for 40 years built up a great collection & always nice to find something new that’s essentially over 30 years old, have you got anything else from genesis Collins that as not been seen? Once again thanks Phil

@Steveoffgrid

Жыл бұрын

Completely understandable dropping this, it was a hard tour vocally I’d imagine, No son….., Driving the last spike, dreaming why you sleep.

Wow, thanks for the upload, I just realized my first genesis show was the day after this, montreal may 29.... Poor collins, struggling with the voice, and the lead synclavier sound, probaby a bad midi transmission, I can understand their decision, it must had been quick and easy to throw mama out the window......

i was there.

Didn;t seem to be the full lighting rig either.

❤💯❌💯

I wonder which other track it took the place of in the set list 🤔

@officespace7777

Жыл бұрын

It didn't. The setlist stayed the same they just removed mama from the tour. But "mama" came right after "hold on my heart" originally.

they had a good idea not to keep this version with Mike (not a great solo ) and not great vocals vs the other versions

@francescomazzilli8925

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the band is a little bit out of shape here, with some keyboards problem at the start and on the bridge Mike too is playing the single notes at the first part too much before the right time The solo it's good enough but rusty compared to the past

Glad Genesis did go and throw this in the waste can, and took Collins stupid tongue thing with it. 1983 was the only year they kicked ass on this song.