Thanks to this follower for his detailed report. Glad the occupants of N302FG are OK!

@TheMonkeyNeuron

Ай бұрын

What report?

@beachbum77979

Ай бұрын

@@TheMonkeyNeuron If you pause the video somewhere around 7 or 10 seconds you can read it.

@jmax8692

Ай бұрын

@@TheMonkeyNeuronhow ignorant of you

FUCK DUDE is not exactly the standard phraseology for declaring an emergency, but it seems to work just as well...

@ValNishino

Ай бұрын

That's what information Foxtrot stood for

@hyb180

Ай бұрын

What is happening is the pilot shortage being treated with a pilot mill strategy. The same applies the aviation maintenance. Too many people being pushed through to the finish line as a means to fill the demand. Experience comes with time in training and while flying for job experience requirements. We’re seeing the results of when things are being rushed. The industry isn’t the same. Be safe

@TheFlyingZulu

Ай бұрын

@@hyb180 The hour requirements hasn't changed for pilots. It's still 250 hours for a commercial, 750-1500 for ATP depending on where you trained at. I don't know about A&Ps. Flight training quickly is the best way to learn and to stay proficient. The airlines does it, the military does it, flight schools like ATP, ERAU and many many others does it as well.

@Kalvinjj

Ай бұрын

No callsign after that FUCK DUDE! as well.

@buildintotrains

Ай бұрын

probably a stuck mic

What happened Will?! IDK you f$&ked up!! 🤣🤣🤣

@mrsaskriders

Ай бұрын

Funny but if it was a gear failure...... like the title says.

@chris-hayes

Ай бұрын

@@mrsaskriders Email from the video says they flared 80ft above the runway. They were so afraid of pulling a Lufthansa, they pulled a reverse-Lufthansa.

@einokalonen1313

Ай бұрын

@@chris-hayes The Lufthansa pilot did it Navy style.

@michalpatryka3k

Ай бұрын

​@@chris-hayeswhat did the Lufthansa do?

@chris-hayes

Ай бұрын

@@michalpatryka3k A couple weeks back at LAX I think, they had a really rough landing, flared too late, it bounced, and they did a go around. This was their 747, The Queen. It's kinda noteworthy because "Airline Videos", another great youtube channel, caught it live in the middle of their stream.

4:35 I would suggest either diverting or... finding an airfield somewhere else. Oh, ok. Good to have options. 😂

@Kinetic38

Ай бұрын

Field, not airfield. To drop the banner.

@yamkaw346

Ай бұрын

@@Kinetic38Field implies airfield. Said he was minimum fuel so he needed to land soon

@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co

Ай бұрын

@@yamkaw346No it doesn't.

@yamkaw346

Ай бұрын

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co 😂 Yes it does…. If tower tells me “airport is closed due to an emergency, you’ll have to find another field” I will be looking to divert to another AIRfield, not a literal field of grass….

@vsavatar

Ай бұрын

Willow Run is literally like 10 miles away. The two airspaces almost run into each other. Most would divert to KYIP in that situation.

I'm pretty sure "Fuck dude!" is street slang for, "The ground is hard".

Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Delta Uniform Delta Echo !!

@HighOctane-wo6cm

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Good One

@Lemau

Ай бұрын

Read it to the tune of Bloodhound Gang. Mission success!

They should change their callsign from FG to FD 😂

@brianf9721

Ай бұрын

Dark lmao

@TheRedRaven_

Ай бұрын

Foxtrot Delta 🤣

As a Piper owner an "improperly timed flare" is an under statement to collapse a nose gear... this was really rough whatever happened

@JeremyEllwood

Ай бұрын

I was thinking the same. I've bounced a few times in my W2, but dayumm.. EDIT ADD: In my training, I was known for having more landings than approaches.

@FlyingNDriving

Ай бұрын

Yeah you really got to be trying hard to screw that up

@thomasdalton1508

Ай бұрын

It may be more accurately described as a very low altitude stall. It's the same thing, of course.

@Ryan1singer

Ай бұрын

Well said…

That went from a $100 hamburger to a $100,000 hamburger quickly…

@tin2001

Ай бұрын

Bloody inflation!

@lateolukeor5641

Ай бұрын

🤣

@tkfounder

Ай бұрын

Actually went from $100 hamburger to free prop and possibly new engine, nose gear, insurance will cover it.

@jonathankleinow2073

Ай бұрын

@@tkfounder Well, after the deductible, anyway. Which I'm guessing is not an insubstantial amount of money.

@BrianWilliamsInspires

Ай бұрын

@@jonathankleinow2073 most insurance (per all the quote we got for our airplane) have a $0.00 deductible. And we also have 2 student pilot owners apart of our airplane.

Hello this is Jim from Ryanair recruiting, can someone please put me in contact with the pilot? Thx.

Lmaooo bad day at work for that cfi

His reaction is heartbreaking to me. Having been an instructor, we all know things can go sideways quickly. Seen better pilots than me get bit. But all hope isn't lost, many of them are at better airlines than me now too haha. Hang in there, learn, dont quit, stay positive.

I used to rent a seriously ghetto C172M many years ago, I called it the "flying zombie", it flew crooked like a banana, all the paint chipping off. Next week I turn on the TV and a news chopper is hovering over a 172 that a poor student popped the nose gear on landing, and pogo'd off the runway. Upon closer look, it was the same one I had rented a week earlier. I found out they eventually patched it up, slapped on some new paint and it was like brand new, lol.

@goodshipkaraboudjan

Ай бұрын

Those were always the best to fly. My favourite old 172N was bent and slow but nice to fly until another student doing bush strip practice had a bird strike and put it down hard enough to collapse the nose gear and have a prop strike. The school decided to spend some money on giving her some love, new paint etc. It flew awful after but looked great.

@leifvejby8023

Ай бұрын

We had a 172 at the local flying school, that needed a very heavy left hand on the yoke to cruise straight - and it stalled as if a church was dropped on its left wing.

“Tower 2FG: Warrior 2FG Tower: “FCK DUDE”… 😂 🤣

@conorscully7008

Ай бұрын

His mic was stuck so he could not hear tower

@Kalvinjj

Ай бұрын

@@conorscully7008 That certainly explains a big fat "FUCK DUDE!" on frequency

Good post victor. Good to hear all aircraft doing what they can to help tower manage the workload. Good learning for all pilots. I like the videos you post that don’t hyperfocus on a pilot or controllers mistake. We all make them. Obviously the mistake is required to give us these learning moments, but some videos are posted for the sheer voyeurism they’re sure to attract. Again, good post.

What a shame!! Flew the 302FG in 2013 with Solo, great school. Said the plane ended this way.

@Ridejumpfly

Ай бұрын

It’s being repaired. Luckily! It has fantastic avionics now and is my favorite IFR plane I have access to.

@plzbgaming

Ай бұрын

Man! I flew 2FG back in 2021 with them. My favorite out of the 2 pipers. Shame

@damedusa5107

15 күн бұрын

Will be fixed.

Yup I can just catch a cab back 😂

@jamescollier3

Ай бұрын

yeah, when you work enough to have a cool expensive And well deserved hobby. 😂😅

It's hard to describe, but I love the interconnected thinking that happens when a number of actors have to make changes that fit with all the other changes. It's like a dance. No honking, just pure communication, cooperation and execution.

N53703 sounded like a cool guy!

@Alex3000GT

Ай бұрын

Thanks!

I’ve never heard an FBO/station other than tower or actual ATC on frequency other than just the ramp frequency, sounded so crisp too

Got two ratings in that plane and used fly at Solo. Not surprised this they’re a pretty awful flight school.

My guess is he didn’t mean to key the mic or maybe had a hot mic due to how hard the landing was. Still funny tho lol

What a surprise to see 3540T on the channel. I did a lot of my training and PPL check ride in it years ago. Glad it wasn't the one damaged here, it was my favorite 172 of the small fleet.

Bill & Ted's excellent adventures

@sicfrynut

Ай бұрын

duuuuuuuuuuude . who's that guy playing chess ?

@gungagalunga9040

Ай бұрын

@@sicfrynut chess?

I'm glad they're okay.

Brings back the memory of being in a gears-up landing at the Hailey, ID airport many years ago. Both the pilot and me were fine, although a bit shaken.

I've found the Warrior to be a very gentle bird to fly. Floats a lot in the flair if you are a little fast. However, you can balloon the landing easy if you're fast and pull too hard in the flair. Ending up landing on the nose wheel with a decidedly firm thunk, if you push too hard to counter the ballooning flair. The nose gear is tough, but can be broken if you hit it hard, or repeatedly though. Glad that no one was injured. I hope the bird is reparable, as they are a nice gentle one to fly, with no surprises or bad habits.

This has delayed my flight training a little bit since the flight school only has 1 other IFR equipped aircraft for flight training. Its going to take them a couple months to repair the aircraft and get it flying again.

@markyaksich9564

Ай бұрын

Yeah there’s greener pastures elsewhere my friend. You’re not stuck there.

@sakumisan

Ай бұрын

You can fly at any flight school. Don't let this hold you back.

@someone_has_my_handle

Ай бұрын

@sakumisan I still need a lot of my PIC cross country hours for the instrument requirement, so I can work on those for the most part. Just going to slow down actual instrument training a little. I need to make some extra cash to help pay for everything anyway, so I'm not too worried.

@DeltaAlphaAviation

Ай бұрын

Why is someone doing IFR training if they cant land an airplane? Asking for a friend. Lol

@jimmiller5600

Ай бұрын

@@DeltaAlphaAviation The plane is IFR capable. Didn't mean anything about the accident pilot.

Just glad all ok. When I first pulled that, I for some reason imagined Spicoli from Ridgemont High at the controls :)

There was just an emergency landing at Toronto Pearson, air Canada Rouge. Fire trucks surrounded plane closed runway for a bit happened just before 4pm Saturday May 18. Wake Turbulence aviation caught the landing on his live stream

Plane landed off airport near wings field today KLOM north of Philly

According to the witness statement, they flared 70-80 feet above the runway?! Do they realize how high 70-80 feet is? If they flared that high it would have pancaked the plane and almost certainly there would have been life threatening injuries. That’s way above the tops of really large fully matured trees.

@ZaidMahomedy

Ай бұрын

Can you please explain what it means to flare? I'm not exactly sure what happened

@anthonyhui9891

Ай бұрын

@@ZaidMahomedyRounding out so the longitudinal axis of the plane is parallel to the runway. Usually to bleed off airspeed and to protect the prop and nose wheel

@VictoryAviation

Ай бұрын

@@ZaidMahomedy It’s just an antiquated word that means a transition. The transition should occur between the approach glide path, which is typically a 3° angle from the runway surface, to a more horizontal flight path as you get close to the surface. If you flew the same direction towards the ground without ever changing the angle, you’d smash right into the runway. So as you get close, you begin to level out the descent so it’s more gradual as the wheels get close to the surface. The goal is to reduce the amount of energy absorbed by the aircraft to as little as possible when it touches down.

@danc3488

Ай бұрын

@@ZaidMahomedy Flaring is when the nose of the airplane is pitched up during landing. You're supposed to do it right before you touchdown. If done too high (early), which seems to be the case here, the airplane lands very hard, hence the gear collapse and propellor strike.

@TheFlyingZulu

Ай бұрын

@@ZaidMahomedy When you see a typical airliner pull the nose up right before landing so that they land on the big multiple rows of main wheels that are located about half way down the airplane, is what it mean to flare. The nose gear on typical airplanes, airliners and smaller trainer aircraft, are much weaker so pilots does not want the nose to touch down first.

Ann Arbor can get pretty hectic with all of the advertising banners being towed around. Willow Run airport is even on the screen over to the right.

As another comment stated it appears that they flared too early. This could be caused by an illusion of a wider runway. I have had similar occurrences when I moved from a smaller airport about 75 feet in width to a bigger airport with 150 feet in width. And it causes the illusion that you are closer to the runway then you actually are which can lead you flaring way too early. Edit: I have been informed that the runway was much thinner than I assumed. When I was saying that there was an illusion I was thinking of in my experience going from a 75-ft wide runway to a 100-ft wide runway. Apparently the runway that they crashed on was 75 ft. We will have to wait for an NTSB report if that ever happens to determine anything.

@einokalonen1313

Ай бұрын

Runway 6-24 is 75 feet wide.

@jimmiller5600

Ай бұрын

@@einokalonen1313 and it's their home field

Dang, finally hearing familiar voices from my home field.

that N757MPaaaPAaahh is it the same guy from the other video? PaahPaahhh~~~~

@fuhkerz

Ай бұрын

Pah pahhhhh

Ryanair would like to hire this dude

Just think one of those "dudes" is a CFI. 😂😂

@goodshipkaraboudjan

Ай бұрын

It's insane how in the US CFIs can get a job instructing without real world experience. He was probably a student himself only a few months ago.

@sarahalbers5555

Ай бұрын

​@@goodshipkaraboudjanthat's pretty terrifying. Just saying.

@user-st2zc6pk7t

Ай бұрын

​@@goodshipkaraboudjan Is flying an airplane not real world experience? The real problem is the 1,500 Hour Rule. Sitting in the right seat of ASEL watching a student fly doesn't translate to a transport jet. That's the reason for the pilot shortage and "student CFIs."

Thank you for the hot mic. You could feel the disappointment.

Will is a good friend.

Don't worry dude, I'm sure it will buff out.

@sarahalbers5555

Ай бұрын

Deploy the duct tape.

Sounded like it hurt a bit

Shouldn’t the CFI (the PIC) be stepping in to assist with the go around if the flare was too early and it’s looking to go south? Maybe help jam that throttle to its stops? Doesn’t seem like letting nature take its course is the best option. 😉

Ouch

I think I’ve seen video from inside the cockpit that shows the instructor saying “Flaps up” on touchdown with the student pilot somehow confusing that for “Gear up” and subsequently commanding gear up which resulted in what you heard here.

I’ve flown this plane, really nice avionics. I also know the instructor. Sad to see. Glad they made it out ok

@goodshipkaraboudjan

Ай бұрын

Glad they made it out but I'm guessing that instructor was only a student at a pilot mill themselves a few months ago.

I sent you the same audio weeks ago

1:11 Lyrics: Aaaargh Fuck dude Holy shit! Uuuh, uuuh my good Oh my god, tower 2FG Oh my god, oh my god! Oh my goood Will, what happened??? I dont know, dude!!! Tower 2FG, fuck duuude..

Rough day but that’s what insurance is for. Reminder for everyone when there’s an emergency going on. Don’t sit up in the pattern and start delegating instructions to everyone else *cough* 40T *cough* let ATC do their job.

@mrmcdermo

Ай бұрын

I wondered about that, but then I assumed that the person on the radio in 40T was an instructor and 7MP might have been a student solo

@pilotconnor4732

Ай бұрын

@@mrmcdermo there’s definitely the possibility of that. I still think the idea of one guy trying to “help” atc by giving directions is a terrible idea

@RealPigeon

Ай бұрын

The message at 2:22 sounded like 7MP might've been on a different frequency than the tower at some point? So then 40T was just relaying a message. But I have no idea why 7MP would be on any other frequency while still in the airspace.

@jimmiller5600

Ай бұрын

@@RealPigeon "company" freqs are used while monitoring the tower.

"either diverting or finding a field somewhere else" 🤔

I'm surprised someone hasn't blamed Boeing yet.

You ever land so hard your key gets stuck?

The comments on this one are just hillarious.

So CFI wasn’t doing his job? Got it

Are you fcking kidding me, DUDE. This is unacceptable, this is not okay, an instructor let this happen? DUDE, you fcked up! Dude, you don’t want this on your record.

I'd probably be pissed and cussing as well, but why was he keying his mic for it?

@MichaelJM

Ай бұрын

It was probably stuck.

@goodshipkaraboudjan

Ай бұрын

@@MichaelJM Stuck because he was strangling the yoke.

Took way too long for the pilot/instructor to advise tower.. like, could've been dangerous even more

Flaring at the right moment is a big deal. Don't know if it can be taught, it's more of an intuition.

@billstevens3796

Ай бұрын

@kdub6593 It can absolutely be taught. That's what CFIs *do!*

@VASAviation

Ай бұрын

We must teach the way to avoid that intuition and that's the hard point when practicing landings with students. All runways are different. Slope, width, length... the illusion of being low or high is different and it's crucial to know when and where is the right time to flare depending on other factors such as speed, weight or flap configuration.

@kdub6593

Ай бұрын

@@VASAviation Either you teach your students to land on every runway in the US and abroad or what you state is the exact definition of intuition, one using learned experience and applying it to novel situations. So, if a flare is counter intuitive, all learned experiences should be negated on every approach.

@VASAviation

Ай бұрын

@@kdub6593 I teach the basics to interpret that illusion of upslopes, downslopes, narrow runways, etc... so they don't get fooled by that fake visual illusion ending up in a bad flare judgement

@meghan5364

Ай бұрын

The Runway Expansion Effect by Rod Machado (YT video) helped me.

I wonder if the FCC will join the fray for the profanity... Glad noone was seriously injured.

"I recommend either diverting or finding a field somewhere else" 🤣

Was this a RG? Perhaps G.U.M.P. has fled him.....

@matthewremington8693

Ай бұрын

No RG…. Standard piper warrior.

@pkelly3463

Ай бұрын

@@matthewremington8693 Dang....

lol I don’t know why 40T thought he had any authority to tell another aircraft what to do in tower controlled airspace

@ellisisgamer

Ай бұрын

40T is probably a CFI and 7MP is probably a student or a renter.

@flightTime123

Ай бұрын

@@ellisisgamer doesn’t make a difference, it’s towers airspace, not his

Not very professional. Glad he’s ok though.

On this episode of “Jeff Spicoli Learns to Fly”

Valeu!

Some radio etiquette would be the next chapter ?

@Ridejumpfly

Ай бұрын

It was a stuck mic. He didn’t know he was transmitting the expletives. Notice when he calls the tower the couple times. Those words were all he thought was going out.

@fuhkerz

Ай бұрын

I thought the radio calls after the incident weren't too bad. He effectively communicated to all pilots on frequency that he had an emergency and it did not go the way he had hoped. I almost docked points for repetitive transmissions but then I remembered that even a MAYDAY call needs to be said three times so I see no reason that the ol "Foxtrot Delta" shouldn't also get repeated.

I'm no pilot or ATC, but at some point shouldn't the ATC have said, "Unnecessary radio traffic, shut the f**k up"?

@sakumisan

Ай бұрын

Since you're not a pilot please follow your own advice ;)

@Mo_Taser

Ай бұрын

​@@sakumisan As a commercial diver, I know a little about unnecessary radio traffic, and clogging up the coms with "Oh f**k, oh f**k, oh f**k" is generally frowned upon to say the least. This also goes for boating and shipping coms and protocol, particularly when the Coast Guard is involved. Be professional and follow the rulebook, jackass. If that's not your thing then I wouldn't want you in control of any aircraft I'm on, either as a pilot or as an ATC.

@fuhkerz

Ай бұрын

​@@sakumisanI'm not a pilot either, but I do know enough to know that most airplane radios aren't full duplex so broadcasting that someone has an open mic probably won't do any good. What I want to know is whether or not the pilot will be fined by the FCC for broadcasting one of the 7 no-no words on the public airwaves.

@Mo_Taser

Ай бұрын

​@@sakumisan I may not be a pilot or ATC but I am a commercial diver and I know enough about coms to know to keep things professional at all times, particularly when all hell is breaking loose. I also know that you are the last person I'd want sitting in either the captain's chair or an ATC chair were I to be onboard a flight you're involved with. So yeah, Einstein, just because I'm not involved with aviation doesn't mean I'm not familiar with coms protocol.

Extremely unprofessional mike discipline/communication skills.

What a muppet. Hot mic was the cherry on top, especially without making any effort to communicate with tower deliberately but they called their school instead. The US has to pull their act together with flight training, it's a joke at this point.

Like 👍 #217

Whatever happens do not EVER swear on frequency

Pilot was chinese. Say no more.