I can't believe Garmin don't have something to plug the gap Whoop are filling ☹️

@Mike0

2 жыл бұрын

Whoop bands use wrist based optical HR. Can you do a comparison for us, Garmin + chest strap Vs Whoop.

@6lamb

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more, but they never will; you are not the walking Garmin billboard with it hidden up your sleeve? I imagine an equal market for a “dumb” Garmin screen-mirroring device to ride with on your bars. Your Fenix (or my Forerunner) are clever enough to do all the cycling metrics live, and a thin light screen could display everything on the bars via Bluetooth - the dream for triathletes especially.

@jdsisler

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike0 I have a 945 and use the TickrX chest strap for hard workouts/runs. I tried the Whoop strap. The HR measurements from Whoop sucked. I threw it away. If it uses HR data only, and it is WAY off, the metrics have to be off too..

@Mike0

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdsisler That was pretty much DC Rainmakers review too

@RichardVeenman

2 жыл бұрын

I just keep the Vivosmart 4 always on. Just like most people do with Whoop. So my body battery is fairly accurate. It's at least consistent every day. I use other Garmin Devices to track activity only. Yes, I full sync-up would be better but this works for me. I do feel your pain...🥺

2:57 saw that coming from a mile and still laughed out loud 😂

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a lot of skill that goes into making something obvious it’s coming but still undeniably funny 😂

@KerenWang

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness I also have the Pro X and this scenario has already happened... multiple times. Also comments on the cold watch have been voiced...

You are 100% correct. Garmin has so many variations of watches it is difficult to even figure out what has which features. They should just limit the number of watches and add a monitor strap.

@mattburrows2615

Жыл бұрын

Especially when they have very similar/same names with a letter added like x or s.

They could be doing wrist bands, rings (like Oura ring), etc. For people who have invested in the "eco-system", I would definitely get a ring I could wear to sleep more comfortably than my large Fenix watch. I hope Garmin R&D sees this!

Hit the nail on the head exactly what I need . As iv just ordered a whoop

I’m a rock climber and I use a Fitbit to track heart rate and calories… there’s no way I can wear a wrist watch when climbing, I tried it and they get DESTROYED. I’d totally buy a tracker I can wear somewhere like the upper arm or ankle. It’s a frustrating topic for me.

I think a bit of a workaround could be to get an armband heart rate monitor (such as Polar Verity Sense), start an activity in your garmin that doesn't track GPS (to conserve battery) and keep it in your pocket throughout your working day. At the end, discard your activity, however you'll be left with a day of accurate heart rate data and hopefully body battery data. I've no solution for sleep tracking... I've got a Forerunner 245 and am considering doing something similar as I need to be "bare below the elbow" for work. This is one of the reasons I got a Whoop too- I wear it on my bicep (more accurate for me too). I like the insights you get every month as to what helps or hinders your recovery- this is also something I'd like to see with Garmin...

I have had my Whoop going on 7 months, for me, as long as it is on my wrist in the right spot (About 1 inch behind the wrist bone) it is spot on to my chest straps while Zwifting. Whoop also needs 4 weeks to build your "Base" data before it will be more accurate on the activity tracking and sleep. But it is not perfect for sure, and I have had minor issues... The biggest is the transition from sleep into the app actually showing me todays data, it always lags behind, even when I can see the data online. But I like my Whoop, but only as a one time a year payment. Nice Videos, love your channel and content. Ride on!

I would like Garmin to do a product like the Aura Ring. That would work in all situations and monitor the important parts.

@fredrik7922

2 жыл бұрын

The Oura ring.

Totally agree!

I did this same thing last summer, I got into the garmin environment via my bike computer and thought it would be nice to have all my health data in the same place. The Fenix was such a cool watch but with 5.5” wrists it felt like wearing a brick. So I got a garmin lily for everyday wear thinking I was pretty smart, only to find that the body battery doesn’t sync across devices. So now I have a Venu 2S which is still pretty big and doesn’t do all the cool things the fenix does but it was the best compromise I could find. Hopefully they will be able to make the fenix slimmer some day.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

It is nuts that body battery does not sync across multiple devices.

“Something huge” very funny mate

I toyed with the idea of whoop when upgrading from my Fenix 5+. After a lot of research decided to stick with Garmin (Enduro). Personally I decided wrist based monitoring is too vague anyway but during an activity linked to a HRM strap the Garmin is very good, even monitoring breathing rate. The wrist based is then good enough just for body battery etc. I can see theres a market for what you suggest though and I would hope Garmin are watching closely as whoop are a serious problem if people move over and can then use whatever watch they want. I do miss wearing one of my nice watches now and again if I want to keep monitoring.

I wear a garmin and a whoop. Based on the software alone, garmin should acquire them ASAP.

I'm sure I read that somewhere in the depths of Garmin Connect, you can enable multiple (watch) devices, and set which one is the source of truth should you have both on, or a HR strap, at the same time. I don't have more than one Garmin watch, so I can't verify this. Maybe this was introduced after this video (or maybe I'm dreaming). Either way, does a HR strap solve this? Because there are straps that go around your upper forearm (e.g. Scosche Rhythm+). Or maybe just get a strap extension for the Fenix so you can put it around your upper arm?

I agree 👍💯

Was looking at way too many online discussions and comments about this exact problem too so thank you for this video! My question is, if you keep the vivosmart on your wrist 24/7 then only wear the Fenix during workouts, then would the body battery be accurate since it is being tracked all the time by the vivosmart?

I found this very interesting as I also like to wear a ‘normal’ watch most of the week but really like the body battery and sleep tracking Garmin offer. I have come up with a solution similar to your yellow band! Basically I have attached my vivosmart 4 to my leg using KT tape (just above where my work socks finish). It seems to track HR fine and will see how it performs on step counts and sleep tracking over the next few days. Keep up with the great videos 👏

@naunidhdua

2 жыл бұрын

How have you found this strategy? Very curious to try something similar!

Any thought of having a Health Ring? this might be the missing link and we can wear any watches in any occasion.

The new Garmin could even go around the ankle.

Best thing about the Whoop was the slide on charger, wear+charge. Worst thing was that you have two watches on all the time, and one of them doesn’t even tell the time or count a step (Whoop). I now have a Garmin Fenix 5! Whoop data appears to be data rich but probably only comes into its own for team analysis. Like HRV but I think just having constant RHR is the best feature that you need for training state, plus sleep tracking - which you can get on lots of Garmin watches. Agree with the gap though, Garmin Quick-fix and Acti face changes goes some way helping on the looks front?!?

What chest strap do you use Mark? Couldn't see a specific one on your website. Do you get one supplied when you purchase a garmin fenex? Also what do you use to track your HR on zwift? Cheers

So a Garmin-branded "Whoop" strap. LOL. Got it. I'm curious how many people agree with you on this. I'm not really bothered all that much by the sleeping with the Fenix 6.

Ever thought of oura ring? Tracks hrv and sleep pretty well.

@chocol8milkman750

2 жыл бұрын

But it's a ring... Hate wearing rings

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Probably with Rings is I lift most days and that wrecks them (or my finger) and on OCR races they are iffy to wear as well. I don't even wear my wedding ring much for the same reason!

Liked to help Garmin see this. I'm in the market for Fenix 3 upgrade waiting a year or so till its updated a bit more, plus just bought a house and new bike is on order too. Screw the nut time haha.

@Mike0

2 жыл бұрын

Garmin believe optical HR tech isn't good enough to get accurate data from, they won't let you check HRV without a chest strap

Never tell me the odds! 😂

Could a heart rate strap be developed to monitor training load, sleep, recovery, body battery etc? I already wear one when I cycle for 4 hours and don't even notice so I don't think it would too difficult to wear 24/7 and would be very discrete. If it could actually store or just send the necessary data to the app would that work?

Dry straight face comedy :D

OK so I do exactly this with a Fenix 6X and Vivosmart 4. I wear the vs4 at night and the Fenix 6x during the day. You have to set the one that you're wearing to be the "preferred Activity Tracker" in connect under Devices> Activity Tracking then you kind of get some almost consistent data under body battery, although it's not perfect it's a workaround. 😊

Great video as usual. What about the Withings Smart Watch. This device seems popular with some pro athletes for 24/7 monitoring. Not sure if the data can be linked to Garmin though.

vivoactive 4 is what both my girlfriend and I wear. it does it all, isn't massively bulky and looks like a watch. has the option to download different watch face styles to tailor it to your preferences.

The huge thing killed me 😂😂😂

@mikewilson0

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what she said

Very odd, when I swop between my Garmin Instinct and my Forerunner 945, the bodybattery chart keeps going.

I’ve tried both , for me personally the Fenix 6X was far superior , it also looks cool as f**k !!

I would argue that wearing a friendship bracelet might not look very professional.

You said you use your Garmin bike computer when you ride but do you also use it with zwift or just outdoor riding? My zwift rides sync with Garmin connect but I'm not sure if it affects my training load, vo2 max and body battery if it's not Garmin sourced data.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly why I use my Garmin to track my indoor cycling -the zwift data is not sufficient to provide all the metrics I need on Garmin

I like those odds.

Hello Mark, Thank you for the video. I recently purchased a Garmin Instinct 2 solar watch which is synchronizing data with the Garmin Connect Mobile Android. Is there still no device available which you can wear during contact sports that also connects to the app? Like two devices connect to one app but do not overwrite data...but just adds it up? This way I can wear the watch during day / night. And the other wearable during contact sports...and still have 24/7 fitness tracking? Thanks!

Body battery has never told me I have excess energy!

Completely agree- Garmin is falling behind and will end up losing customers.

Mark -- i ride my roadie almost everyday, at least for 15 to 20 kms and 25+ kms for 2 to 3 days. But for some reason the Cycling VO2 doesn't get updated. It still shows a number that is 3 years old. Whereas my running VO2 gets updated with every run, of course those that are eligible to update VO2. Any insights there ? Thanks in advance..

Found issues when wearing it on dominant hand. No issues on non dominant.

Just tried a whoop for 3 weeks and have just cancelled subscription. 2 weeks worth of info which helpfully coincided with catching covid (which to be fair it picked up via HRV before I felt it) was enough for me to think: "huh". But that was about it. The data I really wanted - sleep in particular just wasn't accurate enough, and it thinks going for a moderate 10k run is maximum on the strain gauge. So pretty much every day hit the 21 mark, not making daily comparisons very easy. Everything else was just telling me what I already knew, and I spent 3 weeks repeatedly looking at my wrist for a clock that wasn't there. If it was cheaper +/- not subscription based I might be swayed, but not worth it imo. Interestingly having just cancelled it, whoop have said "don't bother sending the strap back". Which seems to indicate to me that the actual electronics aren't particularly high quality. I've just ordered a Samsung galaxy watch 4, so we'll see how that compares. Oh and thoroughly enjoyed the "huge thing" joke.

@aidangriffiths5075

2 жыл бұрын

3 weeks wasn't nearly long enough to experience the strap properly man

@GrayOlson

2 жыл бұрын

1. If you were hitting 21 every day the whoop algorithm clearly hadn't calibrated properly to you yet... to be fair, it should have done by week 3 but still. 2. The reality is that the component cost of any smart device like this is very low especially when manufactured at scale. Other devices cost a lot unit price to make up for R&D and other huge overhead, not price of components. Whoop instead charges you a lot on a subscription model to recoup those same costs instead of a high unit price.

haha if the wife / bed remark was intended.. hilarious

3:00 lol

You can stick to the Vivo for your body battery but note that you need to take it off when you bike or run. The battery numbers will catch up after your workout as it detects HR variability. Your training status and effect will still come from your watch and computer. I'm pretty sure this would work. So sure that I'm now considering the Vivo purchase.

@wattier8218

2 жыл бұрын

100% shure this doesnt work. I use the fenix 6 pro and various garmin bike computers. The problem comes with the softwear. For example if i ride my bike with a cheststrap and for example the 530 gps, the fenix6 wont show any heart rate data in my daily tracking, neither body battery changes for the time that i didnt wear it and used other devices to record. Same goes for the connect app when it comes to tracking: it doesnt show any heart rate data for the time of my exercise, only the recorded activity. As i always like to say about garmin: the hardware is the greatest possible thing you can get on the market, the software complete garbage

Be absolutely clear that Whoop’s sleep tracker is highly flawed. Last night it recorded that I was “awake” for 4 hours and 35 minutes. Total nonsense,

Whoop unlocked on Wednesday at 5pm BST, unveiling something new? Cheaper price maybe!!

have you seen the oura ring?

When I checked a Ring that tracks health with analytics, the Oura Ring comes up. Never tried it yet, but I think it's a great product, though cost is another issue.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Just an issue lifting weights every day with a ring on!

@xackdmx

2 жыл бұрын

Oura is best for sleep tracking and hrv monitoring ... wear overnight only

Possible alternative (that I did not try so I can't comment on the quality of the data) would be something like an Oura ring, you can wear any watch you want and just wear the ring 24/7.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Note got one!

I’m with you. I’d like to wear something besides my garmin watch.

Garmin should just move the charger port to the side of the fenix watches, rather than the bottom. That way, we could have 24/7 Garmin monitoring, just like Whoop. Like come on, we shouldn't have to take our Garmin watches off to charge them.

I ditched tracking. I have a loose idea of how much I run. I swim as the weather allows. Life is sooo much more enjoyable. I don't wear a regular watch cause we all got phones. Some times I wear just a regular watch to time my runs for fun tests.

I think you addressing 2 pieces, one Garmin in really need to clean up - true platform share (seamless intégrassions of activities with any tool- you turn on the fenix all sync, turn on edge …) , second there in a gap for non activity monitoring period ( I.e. in office I want passive activity » captured, but no a watch or anything that is bothersome - look or feel). There was a company that created a strap to add to any watch to capture what wahoo does, I think farming could just buy these guys. As an alternative better integration of the ring could be a great solution too

As a healt care worker i would love this as an option since for us we can't wier watches due to hygiene.

Another thing Garmin could do is multisport by time. I have a 3 hour Enduro Duathlon, but have no idea how to record it on the Fenix 6X. It’s basically as many run/bike laps you can do in the time period. Unless I’m being daft of course and just can’t see how to do it….

Yellow… 🤣

Exactly why I got the fenix 6 and not the 6x as it’s a beast to wear to bed. I wear the fenix 6 24/7 and doesn’t bother me at night. Maybe try putting the fenix 6x on your ankle. The last thing people want is duplicate devices that basically track the same data.

Does the Garmin stripy strap come in blue?

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Only yellow and purple right now....blue is ltd edition that will cost you double 😂

@Ecoroof1986

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness ill take one!

i have a feeling apple will buy out whoop and integrate it into their watch

Give the whoop a chance to get a good baseline of how you're body is working. By the way, they don't recommend wearing it with the sensor on the inside of the wrist. Unless I've been wearing it wrong for the last 3 months. While it is not as accurate as a chest hr strap, I've found it to be "close enough" most of the time fory applications.

Garmin strippy strap - Sign me up! lol

I hear you! This may get wordy and I apologise in advance. Sadly, I went down the line of absolute nonsense readings for 6 whole months with the whoop. I spent so many hours searching forums, getting Whoop tech support. I absolutely convinced myself that I may have been an outlier and it wasn’t working for me. I thought, so many ‘athletes’ wear them and they get great readings. As it turns out, the readings given by whoop, will always be as good as it technology, no matter how many times you can be convinced by the fancy UI, which is frankly garbage. I spent the remaining 4 months purchasing bicep bands wearing the stupid thing uncomfortably - day and night on the inside of the bicep . I would resent these people wearing it on the wrist and I just couldn’t. You mentioned the strange readings - that’s true, the band has numerous accelerometers within the sensor which artificially raises the HR reading. The Reason, because Whoops marketing machine wanted to capture cross fitters and what better way to sell a device is on the wrist of an influencer. Genius, right? Sadly, the whoop was less than useless for getting any reading and therefore, to be more inclusive, they increased the sensitivity of the accelerometer. Strangely, the HR sensor directly correlates to accelerometer and is influenced as such. If you’re patting the dog, cleaning the car or whatever you can do, vigorously moving your hand - Your HR will exponentially rise. Now, I’m betting they have released a FW update which desensitises this somewhat, but it exists. And because of the major discrepancies in daily strain, due to HR anomalies, the more the strain increases (or doesn’t as the case maybe) and less precise it becomes in its analysis of strain and recovery. The readings or suggestions thereafter are based around an historical data set and some ML for prediction. Even the fundamentals - HRV. Whoop does not take a full nights reading but takes one sample point when the RHR is at its most stable. If, at this point you move, the likely hood is that the HRV will be off and once again be wonky. The concept is good, but execution is dreadful. Garmin have refined the stress monitoring based around its constant HR reading and derived HRV - bear in mind, none of these wrist based devices will give an accurate HRV. But, you’re more likely to get a more precise reading from a watch that’s reading constantly, has a rough estimation of your fitness and recovery - I think it’s interface with Firstbeat Tech has really cemented it. Like I said, I agree, my 6x Sapphire is bulky, and a faff when you want a dress watch on, but the data I pull from it, IMHO is golden and pretty accurate. I always use Body battery and all day stress to guide. But, this is always backed up by using an HRV reading that is properly validated and that is through Oura. So even though I’m happy with BB and all day stress, I need is confirmation of my recovery and readiness that is accurate - this is where the Garmin falls a bit with its estimation of recovery based around a guesstimate of Vo2 max. Oura gives an whole night HRV, HR, Temp and goodness knows what- the ring has been validated to that of a Polar H7/H10. We might be going off tangent here, but I think it’s important to perhaps why you need this data. And for me, Whoop did not give any quality data that I could trust. Give Oura a look, along with HRV4Training and their blog. Very interesting articles there. Sorry if it pisses on the parade and dare say if you’re not taking fitness and health seriously then and only then it maybe ok. Especially, if like most influencers get them free - but 30 quid a month. Nah! Give Dcrrainmaker a read and Ray’s opinion on it. For me, the only actual people who like the whoop is the people are giving loyalty codes away

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with pretty much everything here! And whoop have no idea who I am, I certainly don’t get them free 😂😂😂. Going to have a look at the Ring as so many people keep suggesting it (even if I have to take it off to lift weights)

@markdeckys

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness I saw on another comment that you were concerned using a ring with weights. Oura will advise all day wear but a lot of people just use it at night to sleep in. So it won't be a problem to take it off here and there. Google fit, Strava or Apple fit will forward your activities into oura, so no real issues there. I don't tend to run in mine and the metrics are fine

Mark, in your last video you mentioned having two blood tests - could I ask did you get them through your GP (NHS) or do you have private health care or did you do it via the internet and one of the online companies that advertise it (if so which company and which test did you opt for?). I’m looking to do one myself. Many thanks in advance. Love your content, keep on being you! 💪😁👍

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

In the UK are use Medi checks. You pay for the test kit and they post it to you. You then either take it along to your local NHS who will charge you a small fee to draw your blood or I think you can pay extra to Medi checks and they will arrange a nurse to visit you. I DO NOT ADVISE this, but I draw the blood myself and post it off to them.

@jinx6493

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness Cool, thanks for the reply 👍

I am desperate for Garmin to do this as I want to wear my dress watches but still need data

Never considered whoop because of crazy subscription fee of 30 EUR of month, it's 360 EUR a year . For this money whoop has to be a waaaaay beter that Garmin, but it doesn't.

Garmin needs a lot to compete with Whoop when it comes to Recovery Information ... And, Whoop needs even MORE to compete with the Oura Ring... the Oura Ring is much cheaper and data is transferable. Whoop is a closed data system and a lease payment business model... plus, you are replacing a Garmin wrist strap with another strap... that's not much a change or improvement.

I don’t know if anyone has already said this… however you’re wearing the whoop the wrong way round…. 90% sure the bigger side goes on the forearm…. And the best way to track stuff always start an activity with your phone (I know not the best but works better)

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve found better tracking with the sensor under neath. And yes, I’ve started to tell it when I start something.

Can we not just get a Garmin chip inserted so I can do away with the heart rate strap or band in the first place? :D

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Thats the dream!!! Sign me up!

@stueyd

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree

My solution Garmin and Oura 3 😉 and of sports series 7😉

Had a whoop for 16 months Paid for an 18 month deal Enjoy it but will not be renewing and hoping the fenix 7 will be out in October The data of the whoop is ok but if I have a bad recovery it doesn't stop me doing my training program Looking forward to moving all to garmin especially as zwift and trainer road data counts towards data on garmin without needing to use a cycle computer

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

But ...... the Zwift data sent to Garmin doesn't get used when it calculates your training load, etc does it? I have always tracked my Zwift sessions on my watch and delete the data Zwift sends Garmin.

@francisdayon

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness I believe there was a recent update last month that makes it track it now.

Wonder how the new whoop 4.0 will fair against competitors

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure it's enough - I have one coming but the two big things I wanted (chest strap compatible and able to edit out wonky heart rate readings) aren't there. If the new sensor is GREAT then that won't matter but I'd be surprised.

@aidangriffiths5075

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness they said theyve updated the sensors etc Personally I've never had an issue with weird heart rates, I love mine. But of course it'll never suit everyone. I have my 4.0 on the way

We all have previously gone down the same road Mark 🤣 Buy a few Garmin watches, then we try Woop but in the end we are not trying to solve any problems here, we are just gadget geeks 😉 Have not tried Oura ring but have a feeling it’s what we all need and if it’s good enough for Lance it’s good enough for us.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Probably with Rings is I lift most days and that wrecks them (or my finger) and on OCR races they are iffy to wear as well.

@ngeaney1973

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness that’s a good point, I only run cycle and row so I did not think of that. If the Whoop strap could only tell the bloody time and have an alarm it would make a huge difference

At 6:00 😂

I see what you did there 2:56.

$99 and no service / monthly fee...... I'm in.

I'd love to have something that didn't go on the wrist. The NHS doesn't allow anything below the elbow in clinical settings, that's a huge market of people who are looking for a 24/hr monitoring system that doesn't go on the wrist.

@Lord_Swoledemort

2 жыл бұрын

Whoop with a bicep strap. I prefer the Garmin software over my Whoop FWIW.

@Spaxcore

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lord_Swoledemort yeah I'm not really looking to have a second branded device. Integration with Garmin would be perfect.

And while we are onto it: why can't the brand new Forerunner 945 LTE monitor HRV? Ridiculous.

Unsure if anyone already proposed this, too lazy to read through all the comments, but... What about a Garmin ring? Ow and one thing... Agree with 99.9% of what you're saying except... Doesn't need to be yellow??? You screwed the whole video in last 5 words :D

1) You're wearing Whoop wrong, 1cm above the nobbly bit and not too slack, also on top of the wrist. 2) Whoop have a bicep holder 3) Fitbit Charge 5 is coming soon and will do all of what you want. Additionally, it takes months for Whoop to be calibrated. Enjoy 😂

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me, I have tried WHOOP in all sorts of positions and underneath the wrist gets me the most accurate results!

Sounds like a more discreet chest strap without the bulky sensor that can be worn under your clothes would do the job.

@Mike0

2 жыл бұрын

Whoop actually do a bicep ban (slightly longer strap), the accuracy of the wrist one is pretty bad, the original strap may even be loose enough to fit over average size arms

Seems like such an obvious thing to add. Surely Garmin wants you to have _all_ of their devices so having them all communicate effectively seems pretty vital. I've only just got a Fenix Pro so I'm not much help. I upgraded from an Apple watch and everything is so much better for sport. I don't even miss the advantages that the Apple had. Not that you considered it, but the Apple watch wouldn't be the answer.

I think a large number are chasing the same thing, personally I have 3 devices to monitor HR and HRV (chest strap / forearm band / watch. Non-training monitoring should not need such obvious devices, I'll be interested to see if the Whoop improves.

Whoop 4.0 throws a curve at your review?

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Not so sure - I have one coming but really all it's adding of use is the better HRM. Water proof battery is nice but only an idiot would shower with the old one on! And the haptic wake up is of no value to me. After playing around with the strap I'm getting ok results with the 3.0 so easy enough to see where 4.0 would be better still. Really what would have been nice would have been the ability to edit rubbish data and the ability to link to a chest strap.

Yeah, this is one of the stupid things that Garmin devices do not sync, same as Training Load that is calculated different on any device and you get total different numbers from two devices in the app. Garmin devices are great but have soo many UX problems.

Garmin has always sucked at cross-device or acting like a real platform, despite things like Physio True Up. It appears to just be in the company DNA to be too device focused whereas as you said in the video, a real human being is one entity and wants a merged comprehensive view of what has been happening to them, and for the platform to merge data from multiple devices to generate that if required.

@strandedpaki

2 жыл бұрын

So even if Garmin came up with a new upper arm based heart rate monitor that could feed data to a body battery algorithm, I fear they'd just leave it isolated again. But in any case, the product suggestion you made has real merit if someone at Garmin were to listen, because upper arm based heart rate monitors by all accounts are more accurate anyway, like the Plar OH1+

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Garmin....listen up!!!

Detatchable watch face leaving the strap / body battery would be best i reckon and i dont see why its not possible! Still buying that beast of a watch though, need to hit my GF with it

The hardware is shit in the whoop. The hr monitoring is terrible. I’m keeping my beady eye on the 3.0 strap to see if that’s worth it. The garmin hardware is meh…. But better than whoop. The venu 2 hr tracker is very very good and that will be on the new fenix 7, whenever it’s released. Truth is that although it looks like a toy and it’s duration won’t last anything more than a marathon, the Apple Watch has the best hardware on anything I’ve ever tried. Pin point accuracy and no need for a heart strap (check out des fit and Dc Rainmaker reviews). Really excited for the fenix 7. For now the forerunner 955 LTE (not available in the Uk yet) is the best garmin watch as it has the venu 2 sensor.

I'm the sae.? i want a garmin device that is just comfy enought to wear at night with NO screen

I do believe garmin is working on something. but ya the whoop is horrible. I hated it

Whoop is a bad idea don't waste your money.