Whoop just didn't tick enough boxes to justify the subscription - and I can't see 4.0 solving that. Garmin still reigns supreme 😁

@mikeainsworth4504

2 жыл бұрын

I stick to the Garmin system with an Edge 820 for the bike r/t and a Forerunner for all other activities (apart from turbo/Zwift). I don’t use a chest strap as I have found that they don’t work for me. When I was using them I was getting an Average HR for a run at about 220! I’m neither that good nor that unfit. I was worried with that but a friend of mine who is a doctor mentioned that a few peoples’s hearts through out additional electrical pulses when they start to work hard which confuse chest strap HRMs as they count them as beats. Apparently it’s nothing to worry about it’s just one of those things. I had it checked out by my own doctor who wired me up to an ECG whilst I exercise and confirmed that the chest strap HRM was over reading at high workloads. So I now use a Polar OH1 optical sensor on my arm paired to either of my Garmins or Zwift for activities. This gives readings I would expect. The only non-Garmin measurement I use is the free HRV4TRAINING app which I use first this each morning to track my HRV. This just gives me another metric to keep me on track - having been guilty of over training last year.

@mikeainsworth4504

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, and good luck with the 100km you mad fool.

@mdbourne

2 жыл бұрын

Whoop for intense training is basically useless. Anything like heavy weights or even sprints on the bike, whoop feels a brisk 60 min walk is more demanding on recovery. Shows it’s fundamentally flawed.

@PixelVibe42

5 ай бұрын

@@mdbourneI’ve used Whoop for 4 years now, and I’m a track cyclist (sprinter). Statistically once you have 100 data points (so 100 days of Whoop or whatever brand you prefer) then you start to have a solid baseline. After that, all devices - including Whoop - become more data-interesting. It absolutely does auto capture sprinting on track, same with strength training in the gym. Personally I stumbled across Whoop a few years ago and have mainly used the sleep tracking - that’s my choice however! Happy training!

@neoneherefrom5836

3 ай бұрын

Ditching something before a data baseline has even been established seems ridiculous but to each his own. Also Whoop has always made it crystal clear that their product is primarily for the endurance athlete (aka meatheads need not apply).

Mark, just wanted to tell you that your channel has quickly become a favorite of mine. I love your no-nonsense, objective approach, your attitude, and your presentation. You always present good information and in a way that's interesting to listen to as well as informative. Always get stoked to see a new vid from you, and amongst all the trash I've managed to subscribe myself to over time, your channel has become the diamond in the rough that I inevitably click on first. I honestly can't believe your channel doesn't have more subscribers at this point, but damnit people better wake TF up. I hope you're motivated to keep at it because I need you around! Thanks for taking the time to create this content. Cheers!

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Zach. Positive feedback is awesome to get and makes sitting at the iMac for hours worth it 🙏

@syrus3k

2 жыл бұрын

Same, loving it

@Si.Spence

2 жыл бұрын

ditto! ha...and bollox to the whoop, Mark is all i need to remind me that I will always have more to do in the gym!! :)

@mokagio

4 ай бұрын

+1

😂 “the most exertion I get, I get through my training”. The word of a married man 💪😂🤦

It makes such a massive difference when a highly articulate, intelligent person talks about their experiences getting fit the best way they can:-)..

“…very out of shape so he’s at the right place” is the best and the most diplomatic comment I’ve heard for a long time…

Look forward to the Ora ring !! Best of luck in the run! Can’t wait for the video of that 😀

Good luck with your race, loving the content, honest and right on point

Appreciate you explain these things very clearly, Mark. This can be very complicated.

I totally agree , your findings concur with mine . With the added bonus of looking very Special Forces wearing the Fenix 6 .

Good video Mark, good luck with the race tomorrow…hope the day goes well for you. Best regards, Pete

Great review, solid production value! I like Whoop because it pushes me to do more cardio - hoping the 4.0 has better sensors during movement

@jcap8391

2 жыл бұрын

You plan on doing review of new Halo View?

I have had a Fenix 6 sapphire for 3 weeks now, got it mainly based on your use and reviews and think you actually undersold it , it’s amazing it does exactly what I want and lots lots more Good luck tomorrow with the run, remember you only need to beat half the field … better than average 👍

Great explanation of whoop. Good luck with the run 👍

Thanks for the honest review on the whoop 👍👍

Best of luck tomorrow Mark, hope you have a great day 😁

Been waiting for your results with the Whoop as I’ve been using both for a fair amount of time now. Agree with all your comments on reliability of HR data during the day and when training, I’ve had to get some massive spikes changed by Whoop as it resulted in a muncher higher Max HR then I am ever capable of. This then altered the rest of my data. One thing you won’t have seen though is the study of your journal and how the different factors affect your sleep and recovery. I’ve found that very good and interesting to see how a late meal or reading before bed can alter your sleep and recovery quality. Im gonna stick with it for the 4.0 then make my mind up, like you I think the Garmin is almost there but it would be good to swap watches now and then. As always a great review and wish you all the best for the 💯 today. Cheers Rick

I had a similar issue with HR on the Whoop. When I tightened the band and it was more snuck to my upper wrist, those things got way better.

Great video. Look forward to your review on the Oura ring.

Love the video as always. I use a Garmin Vivoactive HR for all workouts, and Training Today on my Apple Watch because I wear it the rest of the day and when I’m sleeping when I feel like it. HR variability, updates if you nap or do some controlled breathing exercises during the day, and it’s free! I’m sure it could be more accurate, but I take it as a guideline anyway. Started using it to compare to my daughter and her Whoop subscription. Good luck on the run.

Enjoy your run 🏃‍♂️ 🔥

Great review Mark. I went from garmin 245 to apple se. I missed the garmin ecosystem so thought a whoop 4.0 would help. It thought me things I already know I also tried the fenix 6pro which was was too big for sleep and swimming so ordered a 935 as I dont need music/pay and saved a bundle. Keep up the good work.

I bought a garmin fenix after watching your review and to be honest it’s been floorless, the body battery is awesome and it’s been spot on, it seems to detect when illness is looming or I just haven’t recovered. I have had a whoop but discarded it as I thought it’s expensive and sometimes not found it accurate. I know the garmin is an expensive layout but it’s already saved me pounds overal.

Garmin Fenix 6 Pro + common sense application. 👍 great video & content as ever. 👍👍

Good review of the whoop, I wasn't sold on the subscription and having something on both wrists. Im Glad you kept with the Fenix 6 as I have, can't beat it in my opinion too. I do use an oura ring also and have it set up to sync workouts from other platforms which would of been a deal breaker if I couldn't. If I need to take it off for a workout I just input the data manually from Garmin results. Looking forward to your next vid 👍🏼

Thx for the insight. Good luck tomorrow. When you get to the last 30k and it hurts like hell, keep smiling……

I have the whoop 3.0 and won’t be renewing when the subscription, you are bang on with the fakey HR data. I’m glad I had it and know how I can maximise great sleep etc but I’m very underwhelmed by it.

Hi Mark thanks for the review. I’m in the same predicament , I’m using Fenix 6X but have difficulty sleeping with it as it’s quite bulky. Does the data from the vivo smart transfer over to Garman connect, and when you swap it out for the Garmin Fenix 6X, does the 6X continue with the data for your body battery, or do you need to wear both devices through the day. As it would be an ideal situation where you could use the vivo smart for sleep and then the Fenix throughout the day and for any physical activity. Hope this makes sense.

Good luck with your ultramarathon Mark, better you than me. Although I look forward to seeing the video of your killer run.

Thought this would be the outcome. After having an Apple Watch (I’m well invested in the Apple eco system), but didn’t get sleep tracking etc, the Fenix 6 gave me all the tracking I needed for day to day and a sport tracking device for all sports I want to do.

Awesome stuff! Subbed!!

Ha, I was waiting till the end to see if you've thought about the Oura ring. I'm considering it too, but the fact that currently you have to manually input activities puts me off it. The sleep stage tracking is also not great but its HRV and temp sensing seems really good. I have a feeling a ring 3 is on the horizon that may fix its issues so I'm not sure whether its worth jumping in now or waiting a bit.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmmm Good point - I will have to research on how far off that new ring might be

Great account, I was considering getting a whoop because of all the hype, when I found out about the subscription I thought against it. Seeing this video has reaffirmed my thoughts. Thanks. Good luck for your race tomorrow, hope you smash it!

@djconnel

2 жыл бұрын

I have a VivoSport which I got for sleep tracking but since the battery requires periodic recharging and it’s easy to forget to put back on afterwards I’d miss nights and if would give me zero. Or if I awoke at 3 then fell back asleep it would only give me credit to 3, ignoring what came after. So the data quality was poor and I lost interest.

@justinbrown471

2 жыл бұрын

I guess the lesson is back to the basics. If, you feel fatigued, rest. If, you feel good, train.

I had similar issues with my Whoop 3.0 while it was on my wrist. I moved to a bicep band for the Whoop 24/7 and it’s been spot on since. Might be worth giving it a send try with a bicep band. I’ve done the comparison with a Garmin Fenix 6X and HR strap, again, the Whoop is much better with the bicep band. The only downside is it looks a little weird.

The Oura ring is the real deal. I have worn mine almost every night since early December.

"The 4.0 vibrates and you can stick it in your boxer shorts"

The sensible decision, Mark! 👍

Whoop’er since 2019- I still like mine 😅, using the 4.0. As im in Ironman training it helps me set a solid sleep- strain- and recovery pace schedule. It’s nice to know and also be able to compare days with the journal feature. But, it’s not a GPS/activity tracker like a Fenix, which I also love.

@PixelVibe42

5 ай бұрын

And it’s not a bulky plastic and rubber satellite on the wrist 😂

I am wearing my fenix 6 with a velcro arm strap i originally bought for a apple watch. Cant wear a wrist watch on an ambulance shift but want to keep the Garmin data on all day.

Dammit Mark!!! I have been waffling over the Vivosmart 4 vs the oura ring, and thought maybe VS4 made sense to stay in Garmin ecosystem. I have wanted the ring for over a year, but haven't really done anything except not go to bed at a timely manner. I had a Vivosmart HR+ from years ago that did sleep tracking and "24hr" heart rate monitoring until Garmin disabled it. Now I have to wait even longer for you to tell me that I should do the VS4 and stay with Garmin, cuz looking at oura rings readiness score and Garmin's body battery are just too many activities to do for a nice night's rest!!

Just discovered your channel great video. I would love to see you review the Biostrap EVO please. 🙏

What about an Oura ring review on the sleep tracking and HRV tracking? ….. and then you go and mention it, look forward to that review, keep up the good work, brilliant unbiased reviews. 👍

I have a whoop and it was literally life changing. I was a cough potato until I decided I wanted to track my sleep without having another screen in my life - now I’m a highly active person and really enjoying my cycling, lifting and running! That said, when my subscription ends, I’m “upgrading” to a sports specific watch. Now that I’m enjoying improving in my respective sports, I need a watch that helps me with those, and Whoop is NOT it. Sorry Whoop, Garmin here I come.

GOOD LUCK TOMORRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!! Some sage advice: Don't let the floppy hair dudes beat you :D

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Not a chance 😂

I also now bought a Vivosmart 4 in order to have health and fitness tracking when wearing my mechanical watches because wearing my Instinct Solar on the other wrist looks kinda stupid :-D so far I am really happy. I would try another device, too. But this would lack the integration into Garmin Connect, which would be very inconvenient. I have too much Garmin stuff to make another service in parallel worth the hassle.

how are you finding the garmin hr pro, is it worth the extra dollar

Good luck tomorrow!

Great video. One question, though, how do you run 62 miles with muscles that big?

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Slowly 😂

8:45 LOL

Thanks

I am on the same page as you with the Whoop. Also, why do I have to pay a somewhat high monthly rate for a device that I need to have a PHD in reading and interpreting their numbers. If they did a one time price for the device and app, I might think about it. Also I would like to have a device that shows me numbers right on my wrist and not have to lug around my cell phone all the time to look at an App. So i do not plan to get the Whoop 4 and I will see what the reviewers say about it in six months or so after it has been tested for long periods of time. Thank you for your great video.

Good luck for the ultra

Good luck Mark, no fainting on this run please…

Oura Ring only at night - yes I do that, I prefer it

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

First night with it tonight!!

@ShervinShares

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness OH YES!

Great video. I was considering whoop but my fenix gives me nearly everything I need and latest updates are very good. I just need something I can wear to track me when I play rugby!!! Great videos as always... you've really helped me stay focused... 5st weight loss since beginning of first lockdown. All gradual and no crash dieting... developed exercise habits, broken bad eating habits, the whole lot. Really appreciate your videos.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing to hear I have helped with your huge achievements.Keep at it 👍🏼💪

@robj3773

2 жыл бұрын

Garmin made the HRM-PRO strap for watchless tracking for exactly situations like rugby or martial arts etc.

@chalkus

2 жыл бұрын

@@robj3773 I have the HRM-Pro but unfortunately it's banned by the RFU to wear during games! It's good for training though.

Can´t wait for the garmin fenix 7. Hope start of 2022 :) actualy my vivoactive hr does what it have to but want or need a distance for kanuing so the upgrade will come. Best youtube chanel for people like me: try to get above average in everything i do.

I use the Whoop and the Oura ring just at night. No sense wearing them during the day for me.

Possibly silly question here, but I'll ask it anyway... I know very little about HRV and Body Battery, still rocking my Fenix 5 waiting also for a 7, but I just presumed for HRV to have any meaning you need to be collecting regular data for it to have comparisons? Does moving to more infrequent readings make the data less meaningful?

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think so. In fact, taking readings during the day when you’re moving around is widely regarded as a bit pointless anyway. Taking them overnight, when you are still, is what all the studies suggest is best.

@simon84uk

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkLewisfitness I get that, needs to be when your body isn't stressed doing things. It was more based on my take on what you were saying, that you would only wear a device at night around big events, I may have misinterpreted what you were saying though.

Could you not get the smaller Fenix 6 Pro or S model to wear 24/7 ?

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

I just don't want to wear a sports watch 24/7

I’m the same with Whoop, tried it it was alright but not for the price a month

Caught the video late but have a great 100km !

Same here, my whoop sub ends in a few months and i will be ditching it. It's just not worth the cost to me unless you are a professional or college level athlete(referring to my US college athletes who are basically under 21 pros).

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, I think you have to be looking to extract every last percent of performance from yourself before it becomes truly valuable. I could just learn to go to bed on time and get a 10% boost for free 😅

Garmin Forerunner 55 covers everything I need.

Luckily for you, you have an Watch Ultra now for everything:)

You should try the Oura ring for sleep tracking! Sounds like what you are looking for

The problem is the fēnix 6x (or in English Phoenix) is to heavy on the wrist and feels big and bulky why not try the 6 or the 7 when the next lot comes out I love my 6 and don't realise i have it on Seems to me you have the perfect watch but its to big love the channel been watching for a few years now try fell running

@scottgibson474

2 жыл бұрын

I agree I have the 6 and it feels perfect size. Find it tracks my sleep very accurately too! Love it

whoop is great ;)

I like wearing both Whoop and my Polar V2

Great video- allegedly whoop are working to address the lack of weightlifting driven strain and have acquired “PUSH” a similar startup whose own wearables and importantly algos focused more on strength training than cardio.

@user-jp7ni5xv1r

Жыл бұрын

mate its all nonsense. why the hell do you need these wearables? Im 110kg lean at 5 ft 10 - i got this physique without no shittty wearables....

$5-7 a month may be worth some of the data. But $30/month is insane.

I've had my whoop 4.0 for all of two days and I'm already regretting it, i just got sucked into the hype. I suppose I wanted unified lifestyle feedback which my Fenix 5S doesnt have. I'm better off upgrading to a fenix 6 or 7. I'll be ditching the whoop before the 30 days.

@PixelVibe42

5 ай бұрын

How did you get on with it in the end? A statistician told me that realistically you need 100 data points (so 100 days) before any bio-date becomes usable. I was unsure at first, but stuck with it based on his advice. Whoop user now for 4 years, and it has been great. But probably going to ditch, as after 4 years of massive amounts of data I’ve learned that recovery is better with good sleep hygiene. And we already know that 😂

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why people have such a hard time with the subscription. If they update, you get the new one for free. Of it breaks, you get a new one free. Compared to the Fenix 6X which is a $700 watch that if it gets scratched you gotta stare it for the rest of the time you have it. And when they come out with the Fenix 7, you gotta drop the coin to get the latest and greatest. I'm fine with the subscription model whoop is using. Disappointed they have yet been able to pair with a polar, wahoo, or Garmin chest strap for workouts.

@waynesmith4589

2 жыл бұрын

Trouble is a lack of chest strap compatibility , it’s a deal breaker if you’re into sport and accurate metrics are needed , it also doesn’t pair with my bike power meter whereas the Fenix does , the Fenix is superior in every department IMO . Also looks very cool 😎.

@HereThereBackAgain

2 жыл бұрын

@@waynesmith4589 you're 100% correct, chest mounted HR wins every time. But nobody is wearing a chest strap to bed to measure HRV. My point was I can't get why people have no issue paying $700 for a watch and their brain explodes at the thought of $18/month subscription.

The subscription killed it for me to consider it.

The garmin synchronisation across devices is terrible. Currently my 1030+ tells me I’m Detraining whilst my Fenix 6 is showing I’m productive!

I've had Fitbits and Garmins. Garmins win every time. But more importantly, do you realise you are a spitting image of Jason Statham?

I love sleep tracking data but I hate sleeping with my bulky Garmin instinct. I wish they made a slim, light device that did nothing but sleep tracking that I could switch to when I go to bed.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome

They can't sell me the subscription for a wearable If I buy a gadget I hope I can use it no matter what It should, in my opinion, be a "freemium" service at least, with a few basic functions for the price of the wearable, and more advanced features with a subscription The bracelet would cost a bit more for sure, but at least I believe more people would be prone to try it, a bit like strava, imagine if it was only a premium paid subscription app...

Mark is my vegan hero

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

Im the hero you all deserve 🦇 👨

In to see if you can get your body battery into negative numbers this weekend.

@graemetough9988

2 жыл бұрын

Don't think you can get below 5. Not sure why not. When i sunk to 5 for a while i was totally blown!

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

5 is now the target 😂

Two weeks is just enough time to figure out if a diet working too, sure.

Be absolutely clear that Whoop’s sleep tracker is highly flawed. Last night it recorded that I was “awake” for 4 hours and 35 minutes. Total nonsense.

The Whoop 3.0 hardware is utter garbage particularly in a high sweat environment (i.e. zwift). Just climbed off the trainer after a 100km cat B race and it classified it as active recovery. I dual record with a wahoo tickr. Strava says I bunt 1944 cals. Whoop said 950 🤦🏻‍♂️ Got my fingers crossed that the 4.0 is better but chances are I won't be renewing my subscription. I do prefer the app over the Garmin stuff though.

I find anything that monitors your sleep utterly pointless unless you're an elite/competitive athlete. I don't need a watch to tell me how tired I am. Furthermore, what am I supposed to do with that information? I'm never going to feel okay but see that my watch has told me I've not slept brilliantly so call off a gym session or a run.

Bin 1.0 🤣🤣🤣

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

I like it when people point out jokes that I wrote ages ago…. Makes me laugh all over again 😂😂

I'm afraid if I got one of those things and did what it says I'd be training only two or three times a week. Better to be ignorant.

@MarkLewisfitness

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a good point. Very easy to give too much weight to the information that might not be that accurate in the 1st place.

If my legs feel good I ride, if they ache I rest. Simples.

@neoneherefrom5836

2 жыл бұрын

You are totally neglecting the cardiovascular component of fatigue.

@valentinofogarty9943

2 жыл бұрын

@@neoneherefrom5836 can you explain more, as not sure what you mean

@neoneherefrom5836

2 жыл бұрын

@@valentinofogarty9943 your heart can be tired even if your muscles and bones of your legs are not.

Whoop is garbage and subscription based devices should be discouraged. It's a bad trend.

im sorry but these devices ARE NONSENSE. your body gives YOU good signals re. sleep quality etc. get better at LEARNING YOUR BODY