Core i5s have always been the sweet spot and it still is. The 12400 is a fantastsic chip given its price.

@jhanninnen

2 жыл бұрын

You can also overclock it, what a nice CPU!

@_caoss

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhanninnen You can’t overclock the 12400…

@MrMeanh

2 жыл бұрын

Except in the 6th and 7th gen. Here we soon after they launched saw many games that really needed more than 4 threads to play smoothly. Bought an i5 in late 2015 and it struggled early 2017 in many games. Regreted not going with an i7, would probably not have needed to upgrade to an r5 3600 in 2019 if I had and would probably have enjoyed gaming a bit more in the years I had the i5. But I agree, the 12400 is unbeatable in price/performance at the moment and unless you are going for a 3080/6800xt or above the chip I would recommend to most people.

@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh

2 жыл бұрын

Nah man, the 6600K & 7600K were dogshit even when the latter released in 2017. A 7600K running at 4.8 GHz (if you were lucky enough) still stuttered like crazy in many multiplayer games that featured a large player count. The biggest examples of these back in 2017 were BF1 and PlanetSide 2.

@MrDutch1e

2 жыл бұрын

@@_caoss yes you can with the right board. Look at derbauers channel.

Truthfully, for 100 bucks I think the I3-12100f is an outstanding choice for a lot of gamers. Maybe not the best for productivity with just 4 cores but those cores are quite fast and it’s better than a 3600 for gaming so great option

@savageland8402

2 жыл бұрын

If you don't play warzone maybe

@jondonnelly4831

2 жыл бұрын

Totally with GPU prices so high, saving some money on CPU, non overclocking board and CPU cooler can go a long way to help get that entry level gaming rig built and can always put in an i7 later when GPU either become affordable or tech moves on enough so that an entry level card needs it.

@jacknugent4324

2 жыл бұрын

mobo more tho

@lucas_vlanc

2 жыл бұрын

@@savageland8402 my SSD cant handle warzone anyways so its fine lol

@Kmilo361

2 жыл бұрын

yeah but if you take the mobo into consideration ryzen cpus are still competitive

Thanks for the great review. I had several i5's for gaming builds starting with the 2500k, finally upgraded to i7 with 8th gen but now I am back to i5 with the 12600k. Really love this CPU so far.

@redstar612

2 жыл бұрын

Oh 2500k the Legend had the Cpu for Years 🤙

@billwiley7216

2 жыл бұрын

I also used the i5 2500k back in the day but since have used i7 cpu's with the 6700k, 10700k and will finish up a new Alder Lake 12700k build this weekend. I think the i7 is the sweet spot as far speed, core/thread count and pricing over the last few generations. Although it was not available when I built my 10700k system the real value for performance level in that series was the i910850k at not much more than the i7 price point. All of the above systems are still being used by various family members for varying task including the 2500k system which is getting ready to change to be used strictly for files for my grandaughters cnc laser machine she uses in her craft business.

@dareka9425

2 жыл бұрын

One the few CPUs that was still fresh out of the factory was the 2500K. I later upgraded to a discounted i7 4790K that was already eclipsed by newer gens. Sadly, something killed the 2500K's motherboard so I couldn't reuse as a daily PC. Now, I'm using the AMD 5600K and I made sure to take care of the 4790K. My PC tend to encounter weird water problems.

@rugby86

2 жыл бұрын

Me here still looking at my i5 3570k. Was intending for my long awaited upgrade around December 2019, but with family issues, then covid hit I put that upgrade on hold. Now again the upgrade is on the horizon 😀

Your channel is brilliant at grounding what is generally a pretty overkill focussed hobby (at least youtube wise) in good budget reasoning and making good choices on what to spend money on regardless of overall budget. Always really refreshing

Great video! I already liked you videos before but in this 10 minutes you summerized erverything so well and packed a ton of valuable informations into it - keep up the great work! Thanks and kind regards from Germany 👍

IMO, 12th gen is the first time having 2 different i5 SKUs actually makes sense. In the past the difference between 4 and 6 was slightly higher clocks, but now there is a notable difference that makes the difference worth actually putting out there

@KandyChoppe

2 жыл бұрын

@@phawxhunter "ackchyually" yes but the main two people know about are x400 and x600.

@AndrewTSq

2 жыл бұрын

i think it made more sense when you could get almost top of the line speed by buying the llowest specced one.

@niccolocentonza7719

2 жыл бұрын

@Lizzy Choppe actually 12600 and 12600k are very different, with the non-k sku having the same core count as the 12400/f and 12500, so no e-cores for the 12600

@are3287

2 жыл бұрын

@@phawxhunter AcKcHyuaLly, there are fifteen i5 SKUs. You were probably only thinking of the regular, K, F and KF versions of the 12400 and 12600 that OP was talking about, but neglected to mention the 12450, 12500 and the T, H and HE versions of those SKUs.

@KandyChoppe

2 жыл бұрын

@@are3287 yes but who the hell uses or even knows about those SKUs other than the 5 people in the world who care about laptop processors

Great video most people would have split this into 4 individual videos to squeeze out extra content, awesome to have them all together in 1 video!

Great video as always. Off topic, after watching I received a KZread survey asking why I liked it and one of the options was "calming". Never seen that before but yeah, that's a legit reason I watch. Very chill reasonable and informative stuff. Perfect imo.

Even when it’s just comparing CPU’s the aesthetics are always so clean and sharp in your vids! 🙌🏼👌🏼

@tazyjump5377

2 жыл бұрын

But the colour is messed up

@wolniacha_tv

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly mu thoughts! Presentation in the videos is always top notch

@danifurka6790

Жыл бұрын

@@tazyjump5377 wdym

It would be nice to see the fps and the cpu usage on the benchmark charts. Maybe having the 1% too would be nice to see. Great video, clear, simple and informative. Keep it up!

@justrosy5

Жыл бұрын

What would be awesome would be entire packages built off of the MoBos in the first place. I mean, PCPartPicker's awesome and all, but I think it's high time we had "Bare Bones in a Box" options too (where it's just the [MoBo, the CPU, at least 2 RAM chips, all pre-installed], and the power source included [would arrive separately], plus actual installation instructions on paper, and recommendations for the top compatible chassis included). When I was building my PC, I think I spent the most time worrying not over which CPU would work the best, but rather which one would work the best with the MoBo I wanted, and then I had to deal with the RAM and the power source compatibility. Having those options chosen for me when purchasing the MoBo (where the both best and most compatible CPU, RAM, and power source were all selected for me), so all I had to do was choose the MoBo I wanted and not have to think further about it, would have really saved me probably a good 6 months of off-and-on-again part-shopping stress. PCPartPicker *was* extremely helpful!, but it wasn't the end of the line for me. I wish it had been. Having a "Bare Bones in a Box" approach (listed in PCPartPicker) would have made that almost 100% possible. I would have spent maybe a week picking out parts, rather than months.

Thank you for your videos. I dont know a single tech youtuber that can make such clean and well presented videos as you do. The way the shots of the products in your videos are just so satisfying to watch. Most of the time i watch your videos on the first day and find myself watching them the next day again just because i like the way they are presented.

Amazing comparison, we keep getting so much things to choose from to build a PC, it always good to see for use intended comparison! 🤘⚡

The biggest issue with Alder Lake right now is the motherboards. My local Microcenter has had the i5 12400 in stock and on sale for $180 for weeks, but they still don't even list B660 as a filter option for motherboards. And most of the Z690 boards in stock are DDR5 models.

@thedandyp

2 жыл бұрын

That's really peculiar, in the UK there's no problem at all, being able to get H610 motherboards starting at around £80, while B660's start at around £100, for reference the 12100F is about £105, and the 12400F about £175.

@CollinTheSav

2 жыл бұрын

same. I'm gonna wait until it all it either stabilizes or I get a good return

@MicrowavedCoffee987

2 жыл бұрын

I bought the asus prime b660 on amazon at $140

@kiwimonster3647

2 жыл бұрын

That's weird here in Germany there are plenty good enough b660/z690 boards with ddr4, still they are rather pricey, but at least they are available

@kiwimonster3647

2 жыл бұрын

It's like 20-30€ Difference between a good budget b660 and z690

Great analysis, as always. Your videos are always clear, easy to understand, and well presented. Nice work!

Great and informative video! Good to know all the difference between the options out there.

i3 12100f, i5 12400f and i5 12600k are truly phenomenal products, it's been a while Intel showed how capable and competitive they are.

I’d love you to revisit this video in a few months to see if i5 fclk overclock is possible when cheaper boards become available. Derbauer shows a 12400f overclocked being on par with 12900k. That’s insane value.

The fact that the i3 wasn’t at 100% usage the whole time is insane, was expecting it to be a huge bottleneck with a 3080, maybe the 12100 would be a good budget pairing with a 3060

@ed8212

2 жыл бұрын

better yet a 6600XT, its cheaper and faster

@temotskipuri3151

2 жыл бұрын

Well don't expect to play Minecraft RTX with your i3

@temotskipuri3151

2 жыл бұрын

Minimum requirement is i5

@ed8212

2 жыл бұрын

@@temotskipuri3151 traditional shaders look better than the rtx ones though nocap

@piedepew

2 жыл бұрын

@@ed8212 no cap

This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you so much for making it!! Much appreciated!! :D

thx for the vid, have been waiting for a comparison like that for some time

This was the exact video & information I needed! I’m extremely indecisive and overwhelmed with the options & been stuck in a rabbit hole for days of vast information out there. I finally came to the conclusion that pairing the 3080 with the i5 12600k would be my best entry for creativity, work, gaming, & costs! Thank you so matcha! you got a sub & all the likes from me ❤

I'm amazed at how far we have come since I started gaming back in the 80's with my Commodore 64. Now that prices have come down for GPU's it's time for me to build a pc. Thanks for the video.

I was literally researching this exact topic and Optimum drops a video, perfect!

This vid was needed. Your style of presentation makes this info even better.

This video is really really helpful for budget users. Thanks a lot for explaining it easily.

Very valuable information, well done on the comparisons. Definitely the 12400 is a great options for a bang for the buck kinda future proof system imo.

Perfect review! that's the need of the hour. Thanks for the do's and don'ts. And yes, the video did help me out.

bruh , this video that you've put out on my birthday btw, came at the perfect timing , now 7 months later i'm still super stoked about my 12600kf and can't believe the performance that you can get out of these 12th gens nowadays. Your chan. got me back into builds and gaming after a 10 YEAR (yep, a decade) hiatus.

The i3-12100 is a tad faster than the i7-8700K in single core performance and just a bit better for multicore. Impressive!

Thanks for the tips, really helpful for someone like me with a basic knowledge. You've saved me some $$$ as I was looking at an i7 for my new gaming pc

Love the no-nonsense videos you make, straight information, no yelling ! ;-) question regarding the AlderLake CPU's, because I am looking to upgrade my current PC rig to a new rig, hopefully a bit bullet-proof for next period (2-4 years). I play a lot of flight sims ( DCS world / MSFSM ) & race sims ( AssettoCorsaComp / R2F / etc. ), and important, I play them in VR on quite high settings ( 120Hz, want to go full 4K resolution at high FPS). which CPU would you recommend ? still i5-12600K or rather take the i7-12700K ( I think i9-12900K is a bit overkill regarding cores not used in the games ) ? obviously motherboard will be Z690 with OC capabilities and GPU a RTX 3080Ti or RTX 3090. would appreciate your advice & motivation ! thanks !

Just stunning quality on your video's with the content o match....Picked up a 12700K and more than impressed especially for mixed productivity workloads..

Can you plz analyze their full load power draw, and determine which is the most efficient, and most suitable for tiny cooler itx builds? 12600K's performance is so much better, while being cheaper than the 5600x, but I doubt a 65w low profile cooler could contain it. What kind of tuning can you do to make its thermals in check, while retaining as much of its performance?

Very informative review once again. Such detailed reviews create wise decisions.

Great video! My only question is where you get your wallpapers, I've been watching for a while and always wondered where you get those clean wallpapers. Once again great content and I wish you the best with you channel!

another clean af video as always is that the astro mixamp at the start on the right? and btw can you name me the mic you use for stuff like sound tests and noice tests from pcs

I am so excited for 13th gen intel as the full build price will go done ALOT and maybe they even put in way better IGPUs and alot more E cores. Still gonna wait it out tho

Reminds me that i recently tried my old i5 760 again. That CPU is an 11 year old midrange CPU that at the time had cost 200€ (inflation-adjusted ~270€ now). it can still run a surprising amount of games at 30 FPS. The i5 2500K fairs a lot better and with a slight OC hitting 60FPS very often. Those are 4c4t CPUs. Now with the current CPUs, at least for gaming, there is hardly a reason to go for the highend. The only sad thing is that Intel is still not offering any lower-end CPUs with e-cores and a bigger iGPU. i whish they had released something more like their mobile lineup for desktop - a 4p8e CPU with 96 EU would be great for a tiny PC. But alas no such thing right now.

Thanks for the video. It would have been good to see the power draw and heat produced at those levels. Can you shed any light on that? I'd like to know of the i9 performs at lower temps?

Awesome vid, so clean, well spoken and easy to digest.

interesting to watch this even after snatching a 12600K beginning of December 2021 with an MSI Z690 edge (DDR4) and paired it with my precious Asus Strix ROG RTX2080 Ti OC.Hope the RTX 4xxx will be on shelves some day after release.

Currently building a PC. Well, I'm only waiting for the GPU now, but I decided on the i5 12600k. While cheaper options were definitely, well, options I thought it would be best to get a CPU that will be able to handle 'the curve' best over the next 5-7 years. I won't overclock out of the box, but that's also something I reserve the right to fiddle with in the future if I need the extra oomph. The Noctua NH-D15 will see to the CPU not cooking, and the MSI RTX3060 I'm waiting for will see to it I can finally jump off the 1920x1080 train and unto the 2560x1440... other train without worries. I'm aware the build is a bit unbalanced at this point, but it wasn't a problem of pricing, but of availability for the GPU. 32GB of DC RAM (3200), and I believe I'll be set and golden for good while. Honestly, I really believe the i5 12600k is the best option at this time. Hits the sweet spot in terms of price and performance. With GPU prices being so high, you might as well shell out some extra for the CPU while you're at it.

Awesome video, my guy. You lay the information out so clearly

I'm loving the keyboards in the opening shot. Those kbdfans screw trays too. Love to see other people slowly slipping into the wormhole

Hello! How do these CPUs hold up when doing VR gaming? Does an i3 or i5 hold up well, or is this a scenario where something like an i7 would have a stronger argument? I know some people have told me that "1% lows" on FPS are exaggerated a bit more in VR and can contribute to motion sickness, but I'd love to hear your opinions on it!

@TheGreenYoutuber

Жыл бұрын

An i5 or better can run VR

Even as a person that likes AMD a lot, the intel i3 12 gen really looks promising. Only problem is the motherboard and RAM prices.

@tilapiadave3234

2 жыл бұрын

What is the problem with RAM prices??? Intel has DDR4 AND DDR5 ,, UNLIKE the filthy price gougers at AMD that will ONLY support DDR5 on next model ,, can't wait to see the AMD cult try and cover up that SCAM

Thanks for this video. Am thinking about upgrading in the fall.

Thanks for this video. I was considering upgrading my i5 to an i7 or i9, but now it seems that it would not a be a wise expediture of money for such minimal/negligible gains.

Would be interesting to see how these compare to older CPUs. That i3 is so cheap yet powerful, I imagine it will make a lot of them obsolete.

@bsbs6646

2 жыл бұрын

old i5 cards are still good for gameing the new games run good not so so good

It's not absurd to choose i5 over i7 for gaming. 12 gen i5 is a 6+4 core cpu that's even more capable than previous gen i7-10700K and 11700K in most single and multi-theaded workloads. The i3, while not as good in terms of value as the i5, is capable of beating the i7-7700K. Might be a decent choice for some but i5 is definitely more future proof and is the sweet spot for most.

@XX-_-XX420

Жыл бұрын

the 12100f is actually faster than the 9700k, and overclocked you can get even more performance.

@leaflessblade8580

Жыл бұрын

I5 12600K is faster than the I9 10900K

awesome video i just bought an RX7900XTX for almost half price used on amazon and was about to order the i9 but now i think im just going to go with the i5!

Thanks mate. Good informative vid. Keep up the good work.

12700K is the second coming of the 2700K

Glad to see Intel making progress after all these years.

@henryt9731

2 жыл бұрын

Comparing power draws... I don't think it's really a "progress" Tho seeing intel having a comeback does feel quite nice.

@crylune

2 жыл бұрын

@@henryt9731 I see this argument on and on again. What about the power draw is bad? The 12900K's power draw? Sure, but only when overclocked. Every other Alder Lake part is on par with their Zen 3 competition, or lack of competition in the i3's case, in terms of power draw and efficiency.

@Smallman647

2 жыл бұрын

@@henryt9731 while idle, browsing and gaming intel gen 12 efficiency is better than zen 3. Only on full load zen 3 is better. So if you don't do everyday rendering, intel it's a lot better as efficiency.

@Superiorer

2 жыл бұрын

@@henryt9731 You don't think Alder Lake having a similar efficiency to a 5800x is progress? Check out some 11th gen benchmarks and you will see that 12th gen is a massive improvement in efficiency (except for the i9, that cpu is basically maxed OCed at stock).

@Antonio_Sosa99

2 жыл бұрын

@@henryt9731 Typical Ryzen Boy JAJAJAJAJA, Only in a famous Benchmarks with CPU at 100% you see famous 240W at i9 12th Gen. But in real life consumes it's really less than that, you can searched a many videos fake the Intel "Power Hugs" o something like that

could you maybe make vidoe or recomand some mother boards for these cpu's like which one is the best that would help out a lot great video!

Really useful, the benchmarks helped me work it some stuff out.

There have been some guys doing BCLK over clocking on the non-K SKUs which is insane. (Even on a few B660 'boards too) A little more complex than regular over-clocking (and not every motherboard can do it) but the main K SKUs are also pretty awesome as well. Intel's stepped up their game with literally everything (including using more power too lol )

@H0don

2 жыл бұрын

@Jacob There will be cheaper DDR4 with BCLK OC feature soon.

@RafitoOoO

2 жыл бұрын

@@H0don it's easier for Intel to kill the feature. All boards that do it so far are crazy expensive and it makes no sense. Why would anyone pay 300+ for a mobo to enable non k OC when it's easier to just go for the K chip? Instead of pairing a 300$ mobo with a 200$ cpu, do the inverse.

@sushimshah2896

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think Der8auer discovered that, right? But needed some pretty expensive mobo to achieve it

@H0don

2 жыл бұрын

@@RafitoOoO I said that there will be cheaper boards and you still make a comparison based of current overpriced boards like dude, did you ever read my comment? Intel rather won't remove this feature, their statement is that these non-K SKU's have limited warranty instead.

@RafitoOoO

2 жыл бұрын

@@H0don your comments and nothing are the same thing lmao. You're just a random internet stranger, I'd rather stick with the facts so far. What we know is the only boards that support it are crazy expensive. Period. Whatever you think might happen in the future is irrelevant.

All these 12th gen processors are fantastic. I just ordered the i5 12400 with a B660 motherboard. Upgrading from a decade old 2500k build that has served me well. For budget build, Intel has really stepped it up this generation and you can't go wrong with either a 12th gen i5 or i3 which is awesome.

@rokdovecar5275

2 жыл бұрын

and which GPU did you choose?

@itz_tetris8189

Жыл бұрын

@@rokdovecar5275 i guess we’ll nevah know🤣

lol iv actually had a i9 12900kf sitting on my desk for many many long months now i cant wait to install it just waiting financially to be able to buy a motherboard. cant wait! great vid!

It been reported that some B660 and Z690 boards support BLCK overclocking on Non-Unlocked CPU's would be very interesting to see how much this could help the i3 and i5 12400 vs the others

yeah. but from what has been shown here, at least in theory and at the moment(meaning it night change in the future), someone running the i3 isn't losing much if their monitor can only get up to 60hz. meaning that even pairing an rtx3070 or 3080 with an i3 isn't awful if the target resolution is 4k. kind of nice to see that the era of quadcores being decent gaming CPUs isn't over. regardless, i personally went with an i5 12600k.

Still went with the i7 to avoid any potential issues. So far it’s been fantastic with no issues. But I won’t discredit how well the i5 is

@jthalbig6505

2 жыл бұрын

what cooler do you use im hearing with 12th gens they run pretty hot

@Abdubwee

2 жыл бұрын

@@jthalbig6505 Corsair H115I Elite Capellix

My stock 12700k scores like 23000 in CB R23 multi. Are you hitting thermal or power limits? Score feels a bit low.

Man you are the absolute best. Your channel is my favorite!

I rewatch your videos every day 😭

I picked up the 12700f. Went fairly budget last build in 2017 with a 1600X. Decided to go a bit higher end. No interest in overclock anymore though. The thing that pissed me off though was how expensive B660 boards were. Ended up going with a cheaper Z690 because it was cheaper than a lot or B660 boards.

@everope

2 жыл бұрын

Cheap Z690 boards (especially Asrock) can be pretty crap though, and actually throttle the non-K CPU. So be mindful of that. See Hardware Unboxed VRM testing. But I agree, too expensive, even the H610 ones.

Hey mate! Any chance we could get a video on your thoughts about the Intel Arc GPU’s and whether you think it will shake things up in the GPU market?

So, did you use DDR5 or DDR4 for this tests? Also which frequency and timings? It seems that DDR4 3600MT/s CL16 is the sweetspot for gaming.

I went for a 12700KF paired with a 3080Ti to play at 3440x1440 resolution. Perhaps a little overspending on the CPU, but I don't regret my choice (PC should arrive tomorrow). I was a bit concerned the 12900K would be better for gaming performance, but I needn't have worried! I would have been fine with the 12600K. Great video, lad!

@MrDutch1e

2 жыл бұрын

I have 12700k with a 6800xt at 3440x1440. Beast of a system. You'll be glad you didn't go with the 12900k when you see how hot that 12700k runs. It's brutal hot already. 12900k needs a 280mm or 360mm aio just to not throttle. That or a hard power limit.

@shadowalphaop5238

2 жыл бұрын

Good choice

@cnk191

2 жыл бұрын

At this res even 11400f could do just fine. I just "downgraded" from 10900k to 11400f + RTX 3090 3440x1440@144Hz and the only two differences I noticed is additional 270 USD in my wallet + half of the CPU power consumption when gaming (130W vs 70W) :D

@denisruskin348

2 жыл бұрын

Overspending was on the GPU side my dude. That card shouldn’t cost more than 1K and yet…

@shadowalphaop5238

2 жыл бұрын

@@cnk191 even a 3080 ti was more than enough for that resolution including gaming + streaming at 3440x1440p resolution 144hz and even 12700kf runs around 80 100w for 3440x1440p 150+ fps

I think i5 12600k is the sweet spot for all usage if you're on a bit budget.

@scarreb

2 жыл бұрын

Just got that last week actually

Few questions. What software do you use for those graphs and what software do you use for showing performance in-game?

Unrelated to this video but I am about to build my first pc, A sff build in an nr200 and have a couple questions about graphics card and bios. I would love a minute of your time just to have a couple questions answered. thank you and love your content.

Mostly it comes down to what resolution you play at and what kind of games you play. If you game at 1080p or want super high FPS for competitive games then you're more likely to come across a CPU bottleneck with an i3, however if you game at 4K then an i3 will work just fine as most of the work will be on the GPU. 1440p is a good middle ground, but will still mostly be GPU bound.

@pengu6335

2 жыл бұрын

You're still going to encounter some bottlenecking with that i3 on a 3080 or higher at 4k. The average fps might be good but the 1% lows probably won't be that great. I would go i7-12700F since you're getting a great CPU without breaking the bank for an i9-12900k.

@KryssN1

2 жыл бұрын

@@pengu6335 I agree 12600K and 12700F are the best options from the whole line up. I would skew towards recommending 12600K for most and it will be great, otherwise 12700F but only, if you are sure that you will be doing heavy usage task like content creation etc. Current CPU are the end game for at least half a decade for gaming, well good enough to last for very long time and so that one can build a new system when DDR5 prices will reach current DDR4 levels. I am sticking with a trend of upgrading CPU platform only when DDR prices comes down, so usually at the end of the DDR generation and that works very well in terms of providing good value and good performance for long time. Usually it coincides with new console generation too, making sure that I only need to upgrade GPU over the time and CPU will last for long time. 2013 i7 4770K + z87 + DDR3 2133Mhz + GTX770/1080/RTX3060Ti 2022 i7 12700K + z690 + DDR4 3600Mhz C16 + RTX3060Ti So for me this CPU platform will probably last for another decade, if not 2 decades now, if there won't be a some kind of revolution in the industry. With more than 500FPS in games at 1080p already, I doubt anyone would need and benefit from more in e-sport games, that is hitting heavy diminishing returns. So if someone who buys such beefy system, probably games at UW1440p or 4K, that will be even less limiting on CPU and probably last even longer. With 10+ cores and so high IPC most streamers and editors will be happy for a long time too. Gamers should invest into a 12600K here or 12700F and just be upgrading GPU only for next decade.

loved the video and super impressed with the i5's performance! I had an i5 8400, it was good for a bit but it soon became a huge bottleneck in games so in 2020 I got an amazing deal on an i7 9700k and probably won't need to upgrade for a few more years! The problem I had was that I wanted the i5 to last me for a few years but that never panned out. I feel like if you want to "future proof" (which is impossible in the tech world) I feel like you should spend the extra money and get that i5 12600k for the amazing performance. Really impressed by intel and happy to see them back in the game!

@everope

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't really make a difference. Replacing the 12400F with a new budget king in a year or two or having the (by then superseded) 12600K for a bit longer, no noticeable difference in games. And by that time you could also get a similarly great deal on a 12700 or whatever. I agree with Optimum to put as much of the budget as possible into the GPU right now.

@wickedout2010

2 жыл бұрын

The i7 9700K is a great CPU. That's what I'm using along with a 1080 Ti! It works great for everything I do.

@Collluded

2 жыл бұрын

@@wickedout2010 for the games that I play like forza horizon 5, valorant and overwatch. I don't need anything better atm

Great video! Any way you can tell me the differences in fps with these cards on warzone in 1440p?

I've been thinking about an intel/3080 build and this has been the burning question to set the course for how the rest of my builld will go. It seems that a 12400 & 3080 would do well in a mini-itx, as I want a small form factor. Thanks dude for this video. 🙌

@rokdovecar5275

2 жыл бұрын

so did you went with that build?

After intel moved toward 6/12 cores/threads, i5 became king of price/performance for gaming. i5 10400, 11400, 12400 all of them are good.

@saricubra2867

2 жыл бұрын

10th gen Core i7-10700K is the anomaly, making the 5600X and two of the i5s you mentioned as pointless.

@jedenzet

2 жыл бұрын

@@saricubra2867 elaborate

@saricubra2867

2 жыл бұрын

@@jedenzet kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZImXk9Fxms2XoJc.html

@saricubra2867

2 жыл бұрын

@@jedenzet kzread.info/dash/bejne/f3l3zLOiqprMfs4.html This i7 is around 200 on microcenter.

@viztiz316

2 жыл бұрын

@@saricubra2867 not everyone lives in the us

It could matter for multitask gamers though. Having a game open in one screen and a browser in another and so on... depending on how cpu intensive the other tasks are the i3 could be not a very good option, right? I mean it's using 80-90% for the game alone where the i7/i9 uses only 40-50%

Thanks for this video - been tryin to tell people to stop sleeping on the i3's!

Ali, have you got your hands on the new Phanteks Shift XT sff case yet? It looks epic, but would be good to hear your thoughts!

The race between Intel and AMD CPUs has never been more exciting...

@RudolfSikorsky

2 жыл бұрын

It has been, actually. Back when Intel tried to combat AMD K6 and K7 architecture.

For a much more balanced build, i rather choose 12700 f with b660 over 12600k with Z690. Better system is really aged even better, you can just upgrade your GPU in future instead of struggle to upgrade both CPU and GPU in next 2-3 years. 12700f with power limit off, performance been tested that can really close to stock 12700k. Pretty sure 12700f can really beat 12600k in terms of price to performance. Dont forget b660 mobo is still cheaper than z690. 12600k is just slightly cheaper than 12700f but the z690 is crazy expensive. end up 12700f + b660 is gonna to be cheaper. 12600k can OCed till 12700 performance but the cooling will also gonna cost you even more.

@__aceofspades

2 жыл бұрын

12700F is absolutely a beast. $314 and it beats the $570 5900x. Definitely the best CPU you can buy without spending insane money for a 12900k

@user-wo4io4ht2i

2 жыл бұрын

i5 12400 and b 660 BCLK oc ddr4 will be the best solution in terms of price and quality

@williamchiawq3747

2 жыл бұрын

@@__aceofspades yeah, thats why im going to get 12700f with b660i mobo. Sadly not much option for b660 itx mobo with DDR4, I am trying to grab the aorus pro b660i DDR4. Even mobo is expensive, actually is not too far than a good B550i mobo. So its still a steal for me haha.

@williamchiawq3747

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-wo4io4ht2i So far like debauer's video on OC non k chips best and only for ROG mobo. They are unreasonable expensive, and its doenst make sense using a so expensive mobo just to OC a non K budget chip. Lets hope that other brand like MSI or Gigabyte able to do OC with their mid or entry range mobo.

@rokdovecar5275

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamchiawq3747 so did you go for 12700f with b660i mobo combo?

Please do a comparison of i3-12100F with previous generations i5's. Specially i3-12100 vs Ryzen 5 3600

Absolutely love your content. Would love to see you do a Windows 10 tweaking guide for performance/gaming optimization.

@Xanacross

2 жыл бұрын

the difference would be less than 1%, and a colossal waste of time.

Will you be making a video on the unlocking of non-K CPUs? I am really interested to see the performance differences with that.

@sig3ldunc4nI

2 жыл бұрын

This

@tilensmrdel9570

2 жыл бұрын

This

@sig3ldunc4nI

2 жыл бұрын

This guy gets it

The biggest problem right now is the "massive" lineup of B660, H670 and B610 boards that were promised. Here in the US, you can only buy about 8-10 of those boards vs the ~40 that were promised and about 6 of those total currently available ones are at the $180 mark, which in that case its encroaching on Z690 at only $30 more. So right now the biggest issue is just waiting for an actual sub ~$150 Budget B660 board to slap the 12400(F) or 12100(F) in.

This really helped thanks!

This video is just in time after my Asus ROG B660i arrived, really helpful making my decision, thanks!

The i3-12100F is incredibly good value

DOES NOONE NOTICE HIS BIGASS GUNS?!?!?!?!?!

Great video, no fluff and efficient info

Hey Ali, just wondering if you think 11600k or the 11400 would be best for a 3070? I only play games on 1440p and I program. Not sure if the 100$ is worth the upgrade.

Chair>Monitor>GPU>CPU

@Givemethat503

2 ай бұрын

Right !!!!

"Are the days back where an i5 is enough for gaming?" When did they leave?

Great video, new sub here.. I'm on the fence with 12600k or 12700k . I'm looking to stream while gaming with some video editing. Would the 12700k make more sense? Thanks

@morgothbloody7181

2 жыл бұрын

12600k enough

That was pretty informative video bro, thanks. I am planning to build a gaming PC, but can't overspend. So I had a few questions, and that I don't have in depth knowledge about GPU and CPU. So 1)RTX 3050 or 3060 is my maximum limit for GPU, which would be better. 2) Also shall I go for AMD Ryzen 5900 or I5. 3) And will it have any effect on compatibility. Need to keep an eye on my pocket as well!! Thanks!!! Would appreciate for solutions!!

i5-12600k is an amazing chip, think it would fit perfectly with a 3060-ti or a 3070

@morgothbloody7181

2 жыл бұрын

i have him, waiting for msi pro z690-a ddr mb

@ChaPPie01

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think 12600k with 3060ti wil last 5 years easy?? I wil play mostly tarkov type of games cpu heavy games?

@morgothbloody7181

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChaPPie01 I'd say 10 year's, i played cyberpunk with 2011's processor, i5-3300

Can't wait to see zen 4 clocking at 5.0 ghz. The Achilles' heel from AMD so far are clock speeds, because they had the ipc advantage over Intel since zen 2 but Intel just clocks at 5.0 ghz+. Competition is awesome.

@Gavin-dj3kn

2 жыл бұрын

Competition is amazing for us

@__aceofspades

2 жыл бұрын

Zen 4 will be too expensive, I'd rather get 12th gen now. Zen 4 will require expensive DDR5, more expensive motherboards due to a new socket, PCIe 5.0, TSMC is raising prices too. If you thought Zen 3 was expensive, Zen 4/AM5 is going to make your wallet cry.

@RafitoOoO

2 жыл бұрын

@@__aceofspades well, let's wait and see. Zen 3 was expensive because AMD had no competition lol. They crushed the 10th gen with it and then Intel roasted itself with 11th gen. But yeah, I'm gonna wait for ddr5 prices to get better before my next upgrade, I see no point in buying it right now but I also don't see a point in getting a whole new platform still on ddr4.

I'm glad 1080p240 low settings gaming was mentioned. If there's any chance to get the game to run well, I'm not going to GPU bottleneck it, I want as many frames as my CPU can put out on anything vaguely competitive or fast paced. For a while I ran 12700kf GTX1080 and was perfectly happy with the setup, now that I managed to yoink a MSRP one, I'm running it with RTX3070 and that basically allows me to bump up the settings a couple steps, but more often than not I'm still CPU limited. After all you can always reduce graphical settings to ease the load on your GPU, but you can't do much to help the CPU. I wonder if 13700k is going to be a worthwhile upgrade...

PFF, nice videocard benchmark! Good job!