Man this takes me way back to my very first builds in high school when overclocking was primarily done this way, adjusting the base clocks instead of the multiplier. And there was a LOT of headroom to be gained. My first real build was a socket A mobile chip in a desktop that I got something like an 80% overclock on, with a $15 basically stock-replacement cooler. So many nights spent endlessly booting, adjusting frequency/timing/whatever by 1 unit at time, and running 3Dmark 2001 and 03 searching for every last frame.

@michaeltoye6148

2 жыл бұрын

Awsome!

@davidjones5059

2 жыл бұрын

AMD!!!

@SabbathsTube

2 жыл бұрын

Ahh, back in the days of single core chips lol

@creed5248

2 жыл бұрын

I remember doing both to get the absolute highest clock possible . FSB anyone ? LoL !

@jannegrey593

2 жыл бұрын

@@creed5248 I remember FSB overclocking. I allowed to to play Gothic 3 on my very old computer at the time. It's just that it was risky, since it increased clocks on everything. But with my Athlon XP 2200+ I did and was scared as heck (AFAIK it only worked "safely" for 33 MHz steps on FSB rail, since at least some things just dropped their multipliers by themselves). But managed to push it past above 2.1 or 2.2 GHz. At least from memory. Now I don't remember if it was FSB or PCI rail.......... damn. I'm old and it was a long time ago. You had to be very careful with installing the cooler - since it had no IHS. So basically direct to die cooling ;)

AIDA 64 bugs out when you raise the BCLK on 12th gen.

@alexskywalker888

2 жыл бұрын

Immediately noticed something was wrong by how raising the CPU frequency cut DRAM latency by over 30ns.

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking

2 жыл бұрын

@@ExalyThor lol AIDA is terrible at everything. The only reason I use it is because it's popular with the normies.

@nostrum6410

2 жыл бұрын

you know of a good alternative?

@eugkra33

2 жыл бұрын

Like is it just some kind of bug, or a crash? Is there any other sign of instability?

@Summanis

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to say this lol. I was convinced I got my ddr5 6200 cl36 to 102GB/s with bclk OC until I was thoroughly corrected by youtube comments.

A Sneaky Beaky Peak! Glad to see you enjoying making the content :D Hopefully it just doesnt get patched over and "fixed"

@madcrowmaxwell

2 жыл бұрын

It's been months and IIRC, it hasn't been blocked yet. But now that it's coming to cheaper boards, I'm worried that Intel might.

@zakelwe

2 жыл бұрын

@@madcrowmaxwell Good point, Intel might think enough is enough especially if it hits the bottom line too much.

This reminds me of the start of the core2duo era where you could overclock the low end cpus massively.

@mixit2413

2 жыл бұрын

E5200 anyone mine did 4.5K on air for 10 years pretty much and then there was the legendary Q6600

@FeTiProductions

2 жыл бұрын

I wasnt on a overclockable chipset but I remember doing a FSB jumper mod to push 800 MHz to 1066 MHz and that basically gave a free 33% overclock to the core clocks too. Ny E2180 went from 2 GHz to 2.66GHz just like that. With some BCLK overclocking, I could get to about 2.8 GHz but with no Vcore non-adjustable, that was my limit. Those were good times thinking back

@pattoman5568

2 жыл бұрын

@@FeTiProductions My E2140 went from 1.6Ghz to 3.2Ghz lol. That was a sweet chip.

@shadowprice8100

2 жыл бұрын

I remember i had an e6300 which i bought in my very budget limited build its stock clock was 1.86ghz , i managed to push it to 3ghz on a giagbyte mobo with a copper chipset heatsink and a zalman cooler, it was a beast!

I'm a bit out of touch where over locking is concerned but wow, those gains! Awesome content. :)

Very nice board - good job MSI (and kodos to them for allowing this pre-view).

@gr3123

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

@blahorgaslisk7763

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit confused. Why would you want to give her to MSI?👽

This is awesome stuff! I would love to get this combo just to mess around with overclocking! (I love Ryzen products but overclocking them doesn't really do much and it's more cumbersome to do)

Oh nice! Idk if I'm in need of this at all seeing as most games cap out my monitor's refresh OR are GPU bound but I do have a 12700 in my system right now

Evening Steve! Very informative video as usual. Still looking forward to your RX 6800 vs RTX 3070 Ti 50 games benchmark in 2022 blockbuster video!

Your selection of relevant part and technique applications is awesome, as always.

Would be nice to see a comparison how these non-K CPUs stack up against OCed K models.

@eggmeister6641

Жыл бұрын

Would also like to see this

Damn This reminds me of the core 2duo days, good times for budget builders back in the day

@Jackpkmn

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like i'll never get as much mileage out of a CPU as i did my Core 2 Duo E7500 overclocked to 3.6GHz. Had that gloriousness running for a decade.

@peterscott2662

2 жыл бұрын

I've been running a Core 2 Quad at 3.2GHz for 14 years... Still going strong.

@saricubra2867

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterscott2662 3.4GHz i7-4700MQ at 0.9volts. Such a rare and good old mobile chip.

@noba4696

2 жыл бұрын

My E8500 ran at 4,2GHz until 5years ago, then degradation showed, now it only runs at 3,8GHz. Still much longer than I expected, great chip.

This was so fun during Skylake era as well

@freepok

2 жыл бұрын

I have fond memories of my i5 6500 OC to 4.4ghz

That's how OC used to work on non-K model before Sandybridge ^^

@TokeBoisen

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I miss FSB overclocking

@Takashita_Sukakoki

2 жыл бұрын

I was able to OC a 2500 non k to all core 3.9ghz on a gigabyte board

@LawrenceTimme

2 жыл бұрын

@@Takashita_Sukakoki yeah that's rubbish. The 2500k could do 5ghz all day.

@TheFirestriker101

2 жыл бұрын

@@LawrenceTimme he said non k

@LawrenceTimme

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFirestriker101 and? None k sandy can only do 5% oc 3.9 vs 5ghz, the 12400 is doing 5.1ghz same as 12600k at 5.1ghz.

I don't think this board will be too late. It is a great option for a high-performance semi budget build.

Im glad I cheaped out on my i5 12400F by pairing it with an H610 board and 3200 CL16 memory. Definitely getting this board when it releases and faster ram.

@darrens3494

Жыл бұрын

How was the performance with that setup? Thinking of getting a H610 for now since I don't overclock anything

Gettin' them piii 600 vibes...combined with the BX chipset and FSB overclock to kinda 1 GHz. These smaller Alderlakes are spicy if you're willing to put in some work.

Got my 12100F at 5.33Ghz core, 4.8 cache, 6500 Cl30. It's such a little monster 😂 The issue with the Strix B660-F/G wasn't so much the cost of the board but the cost of the DDR5 they needed on top of that. I got lucky and picked up 2x8gb OEM DDR5. The B660-F and i3 12100F just took a little waiting to catch a good deal.

@b-rant

2 жыл бұрын

That honestly seems like a really poorly designed system if we are talking about price:performance:stability. Could you not have gone 12600k and ddr4 for roughly the same price? I ask because at memory express here in CAD, you certainly could and spend about the same when looking at middle of the road ddr4 vs middle of road ddr5/the board to carry the ddr5.

@matt4ck749

2 жыл бұрын

Not really at the time no. The board, CPU and ram were about £400 all in. It was built 50/50 for benching and gaming. For a while there the 12100F was taking 4 core global records on HWbot. The 12600k was around another £140 but I do plan to keep this rig alive by upgrading with used parts as the prices fall. Stability wise it's taken some tuning but it's solid. Tl;dr It's an enthusiast build for I...am an enthusiast 😉

@Dogzilla07

2 жыл бұрын

@@b-rant It's all just dependent on the needs of a specific user. For instance, my needs are completely opposite from both yours and @Matt4ck. Both 12600k+DDR4 and 12100F+DDR5 are pointless combinations for me. but ~5.3-5.4GHz 12400/F + non-Tuned DDR4 instead.

@b-rant

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dogzilla07 Based on the info i can find, your setup would be roughly the fastest of the 3 for the least money from a pure gaming standpoint. That's also another hefty OC for sure.

@Tutku35

2 жыл бұрын

How important DDR5 freq + CL times when it comes to bclk? does 16gb vs 32gb make difference when oc??

Thanks for the review

OMG...that overclocking of 12400 in games is insane.

If Raptor Lake has non e-core variants, I'd like to see one of those on this! Another point. Look at the reserve of performance Intel is sitting on, if Zen 4 ends up being powerful, I think Intel has some tricks up their sleeve to use. Intel probably had something to do with not having external clock generators on board, and only allowing them on super expensive boards...and waiting to allow it on a cheaper board, it would make sense, just a guess.

If the board retains this feature with 13th gen BIOS updates this will be THE board to get for Raptor Lake. This would be an excellent way to take the wind out of Zen4's sails. That would be a good reason for Intel to let this slide.

I hope this will work for next gen chips as well. That would make the late release make more sense from msi.

Those are massive performance gains..holy

Thanks for the great work Steve. Can you test non-K CPUs memory speed limits. With the locked Vccsa, wanted to know just how limited we are on frequency for DDR4? In Gear 1, 1T

@profiler215

Жыл бұрын

@@rawdez_ so you are saying he got lucky to run at 3600 in gear 1?

Awesome video! Would this unlock Raptor Lake CPU's as well when they release? Or is it Alder Lake only?

The image quality is so good, you can literally see Steve getting older and more wrinkles with every video :)))))

It's really great to see how we come back to old school overclocking with significant performance gain. Though with the energy crisis we have today, those 100+ watts increase will definitely take a toll on the monthly bill, considering it's mostly those budget consumers who will have a real interest in this. I don't think overclocking is a viable option nowadays for budget consumers.

@corok12

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jakef100f *laughs in

@benjaminoechsli1941

2 жыл бұрын

I'll give Apple this: their push for untouchable levels of efficiency, even if it means mid-grade performance, is something we need right now. Here's hoping we keep getting pressure in that direction.

@foudremy1514

2 жыл бұрын

@@corok12 laughs in 0.5¢/kWh for the first 200kWh in my country

@LikePhoenixFromAshes

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jakef100f Do you live under rock somewhere?

@corvoattano9303

2 жыл бұрын

Actually that power consumption was in blender which is an all core workload. Games are much less power hungry and I'm pretty sure power consumption will be a lot lower.

Reminds me a bit of the celery 300A I used to have. I had two, one running at 450mhz and the other 500mhz.

The smoke on the background of the mobo shots lets you know you will indeed fry something trying this.

Was debating going this route for my nieces build (actually, you replied to me on Twitter regarding a part picker link of the AMD contender). Gotta try to find out how much thermal power the 12400 generates while gaming to decide if it's remotely reasonable to go with the chip over the Ryzen 5 5600/5600x. The cooler will be a 125W cooler so if the gaming power would overwhelm the cooler then the Ryzen chip is definitely the way to go. Kind of a shame really. The Mortar Max really looks like a great budget board. I know you think I should consider the i3, but I won't consider a quad core. If I was just going to a quad core, I'd slap a 7700 in her current board and call it a day.

It brings back memories with my i5 6400. I did a 178 MHz BCLK OC and at 1.375V, i got a 4.8 GHz clock speed and ran under 80C on a common air cooler. (In case no one believe me, I have video proof of it on my channel)

Steve, while you do say this motherboard is arriving a bit late it might be just in time for 13th gen, provided it still works for those CPUs

@Spido68_the_spectator

2 жыл бұрын

A smart move by intel would be to support BCLK OC officially on B760 and H770 chipsets Still not moder OC, but better than nothing.

Kudos to msi on this one. I have to say msi are by far my favourite brand motherboard because of things like this! I have a z490 tomahawk and recently found out that this board up/side graded to 11th gen cpu has gen 4 support for nvme drives, as they spent the extra money making it compatible when many other brands simply did not bother.

@katherinesilens2994

2 жыл бұрын

I think ASUS also have a BCLK-capable board this gen.

@GOPACKERSJT

2 жыл бұрын

I'll never forget when MSI released the X370 Titanium board and charged $350 for it. Then it came out they used the exact same VRM setup on their entry level $60 boards... MSI is garbage. Just was the Gamers Nexus video on their shady business practices.

@rodrigoterrasanta5966

2 жыл бұрын

MSI is the worst mobo manufacturer in my opinion. Their software is shit, the VRMs on my X570 A-PRO have the worst temps of any other X570 and is aesthetically is so ugly, also their BIOS software is a mess of submenus with repeating items. On the other hand i got an ASUS B460 R2.0 for $60 and has a H470 chipset, 11th gen compatibility and PCI-GEN4 with memory oc support

@mapesdhs597

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny how peoples' experiences vary. I used ASUS boards for a long time, back in the P55/X79 days (well over a dozen boards), but got annoyed with them later for various reasons. I'd avoided MSI since forever as reviews put me off. With Ryzen though, skipping the 300 series, I decided to give them a go and I was impressed, buying the Mortar Max, Tomahawk Max/II and more recently a Z490 to pair with a 10400. As for GN's video, that was just daft. Gamers are completely divorced from reality when amid a demand-driven market they insist on unchanging retail pricing while at the same time complain about black markets ("scalpers", a silly word as it implies buyers have no agency). It's stupid, such a notion is simply not possible, one can't have both low pricing and no black market when demand vastly outstrips supply, especially when induced by massive levels of state interference and free stuff. Raising retail prices is the logical and sensible response to demand spikes, because that's how to prevent grey/black markets, but people don't understand the basics of supply/demand. Funny though, the same people are then all too happy when the balancing side of the supply equation comes along and prices drop like a stone; it's two sides of the same coin. libertarianinstitute.org/articles/why-price-gouging-actually-helps-during-a-crisis/

@wakaflockaproject

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodrigoterrasanta5966 imo Asus and gigabyte are superior

Still haven't seen this board, but the b660g rogStrix offers this feature. Have one on its way to replace a z690 board.

Takes me back to Haswell i5 4690 with BCLK 102.7Mhz just to squeeze a tad more and 2133 DDR3+ BCLK on a ZBoard, If I got the 8 thread version I'd probably have kept it much longer but at the time budget was a concern.

@IceniTotalWar

2 жыл бұрын

rocking my 4790l and Z97 MB, 7 years old now but hopefully can upgrade this year

AsRock 760m PG Riptide supports 13th and 14th gen BCLK. It's about $150 when not on sale.

Damn, The core i3 is now even more Impressive.

@MistyKathrine

2 жыл бұрын

For a $100 it's amazing. Even if you do have to spend $200 on a board to get the full value, it's still the best budget CPU on the market right now.

great video. do the comical 12400 vs 12500 matchup one day lol

hey Steve, I know very specific question but did you have any trouble enabling XMP on the MSI Pro B660M A Wifi? I got it recently based on your excellent b600 roundup and paired with a 12400f. However the uefi does not work if I change any setting including enabling XMP. Updated to most recent non beta bios but no joy. I'm using a corsair vengeance kit which I didn't check if it was on QVL list but kind of presumed XMP would just work.. Have seen some threads suggesting it's because Intel has locked voltage of the memory controller on non-K SKUs of 12th gen, so even XMP is a stretch too far

@shahriarunplugged

4 ай бұрын

Maybe your corsair ram is not the original one.

...primary reason why Intel hasn't got any of my money over the last 4/5 years, they prevent overclocking on the locked chips. If you're build a PC from scratch, it's nice to be able to "play" with it. This is an interesting video, kudos to Debauer and yourselves

@dakrawnik4208

2 жыл бұрын

lol You weren't missed i promise you. AMD prevents it on UNLOCKED chips. Since - Zen. Don't let that X fool you. You can only undervolt and hope for 200MHz OC. A FAR cry from 500MHz+ OC's above boost clocks on Intel platforms at the time.

6:15 Might be a nitpick but as a proud owner of the famous Corsair Icue H115i RGB Pro XT, I can confirm that this is not the same pump as shown in the video. This looks like a pump for one of those higher end Capellix coolers, I don't know whether the audio or video is wrong but I thought this could possibly mess with the thermals results.

@thelastbrunneng4355

2 жыл бұрын

90% of the videos they make which involve a 360mm AIO use the Capellix. Certainly possible they used an XT this time, so the video was probably just using existing b-roll footage.

Little late but it's crazy how that 12100f is able to match r23 multicore of my 5960x. I'm totally getting one now

Awesome stuff. On my riptide b760m (one of the cheapest b760/b660 boards that supported DDR5 and since it came down in price I figured I might as well) I got my 12400 to 4.7 on a NH-U9. I could handle 4.8 without my GPU and CPU BOTH maxed but left it at 4.7 for safety. If I get a better cooler this chip was able to handle 5+ single core, so maybe even all core?

very interesting. best to choose the 12400. and with 8 cores, frequency vs number of cores is not so obvious. Very nice oldschool overclocking. :)

I was surprised that Intel was okay making a 7350K dual core and 8350K/9350K quad core i3 CPUs. But when the 10 series showed up, i would’ve loved to see an unlocked 10350K, but from a business perspective, it would probably have cannibalized the 1x400 i5 sales if they did that.

Very interesting. I do have one question: you use CL14 RAM but that's super-premium memory so I wonder how performance would change with more budget CL 18 RAM? After all, someone at the budget end isn't going to be buying that CL14 RAM. 16 GB DDR4-3600-C18 RAM is £65 on OCUK but DDR4-3600-C14 isn't even listed at any capacity and the cheapest fast C14 kit is DD4-3200 at £190 for 32 GB (and not actually in stock).

@sebastianlaakso2729

2 жыл бұрын

Samsung B-Die Supremacy

@Kevin.BTCChina

2 жыл бұрын

Would just get CL18 with the Higher Clock myself

@liftbread

2 жыл бұрын

the rated speed of a memory set does not determine the ACTUAL speed memory can achieve. You can likely buy a C16 set and provided you didn't get unlucky, run it at C14.

@solocamo3654

2 жыл бұрын

I bought a "cheap" kit of 32gb (2x 16) cl18 3600mhz memory. With a bump to voltage I ran the same xmp timings at 4000mhz. However, tightening the timings below cl18 even at 3600 with the extra voltage was unstable. Some memory prefers higher clock vs tighter timing as far as stability goes.

@QuentinStephens

2 жыл бұрын

@@solocamo3654 Yes indeed, but I have in the back of my mind that one of the better-known Techtubers did a test of different CAS latencies and it made a difference. Thus I wonder about the suitability of the testing to the target viewer.

Just did a OC on my 12400 with the Asus ROG strix b660-f. (Bios 1003) Works great!

Ugh wish this board was available a couple of weeks ago, just did a platform upgrade with the regular MSI Mortar B660m DDR4 and a 12400F lol.

yay Harvard Unbox is back!

now this explains why Intel heavily locked down my 12100, I can't even undervolt it on ASUS B660 mobo.😩 I was not able to return the board because I badly needed the system back then

Finally, some good old overclocking content from HUB. Some 12600K overclocking content would be cool to see as well. It's not as close to the limit as the 12900k, it might just be worth bothering.

@QuantumConundrum

2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure those two CPU are directly 'comparable', but they might be depending on country/pricing.

@QuantumConundrum

2 жыл бұрын

In my quarters, the 12400 is cheaper than the 5600 by some not-tiny margin.

@saricubra2867

2 жыл бұрын

@@QuantumConundrum 5600 and 5600X are just terrible. They don't beat a Core i9 9900K.

@saricubra2867

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsJustVV The ST Cinebench R20 is insignificant compared to the core count and 1% lows the Core i9-9900K gets while gaming, same story happens for the i7-10700K SPECIALLY on Cyberpunk 2077 and Battlefield 2042. 8 cores rule over 6 for massive games like those two.

@saricubra2867

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsJustVV If you prefer 6 (17% ish) better cores over 8 17%ish slower cores that's your opinion, but for me it's just a waste of sand.

Maybe they'll manage to keep this unlock for new CPU's and in the future. I personally will invest more money into a new monitor though. Currently aiming for Odyssey Neo G8 and since it's 4K there won't be many benefits.

My Core i7 2600 (non-K) 3.4 GHz (3.8 with Turbo enabled) can be slightly overclocked (up to 4.2 GHz with Turbo enabled). The caveat is that you need at least medium-level VRM, PSU, and cooling to keep the system stable.

@DualPerformance

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 3770 oc all cores 4.1 ghz, using multiplier only on z77 board and negative offset -0.10 vcore

It would be interesting to see a performance / power use trade off curve for the i3-2100F and i5-1200F. As tested the power usage seems way too high, even on the i3, but if you could trade some of the performance by setting to 5.0Ghz / 4.9Ghz, and optimise the power draw while maintaining stability, what kind of power usage might we be able to get too?

@Ali-Sensei

2 жыл бұрын

That would be great video to watch. Hope Steve or steve(GN) get on that fast. 4.9/4.8 with few % power consumption would be great for a mid range gaming/emulation beast

@ThebestLilMissRarity2

2 жыл бұрын

Who knows. I'm running my 12100f with -0,2V offset. 18W while gaming and and Vcore goes max to 0.93V. It's really efficient. So maybe even on stock voltage you can get to 4,5-4,6Ghz.

@Spido68_the_spectator

2 жыл бұрын

In this video, they said they didn't try to optimise the voltage. You can count on at least 10% drop in power draw if you do

Great stuff....but how long before Intel strong-arms MSI into knee-capping this with a BIOS or Microcode update?

@xMuchAdox

2 жыл бұрын

@@rawdez_ I bought the current Mortar board last week. I had no idea this was on the horizon.

@OCDyno

2 жыл бұрын

Here's hoping RPL doesn't patch this out

@GOPACKERSJT

2 жыл бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 nope, Intel actually did this exact thing to ASRock during 5th gen.

@dakrawnik4208

2 жыл бұрын

24 hours. google it

If the motherboards end up being more premium anyway, would this really be a good alternative to just buying a b660 motherboard & a 12700k? The price difference between it and the 12700 is only around $30, but I'd imagine the PCIE5 variants of B660 boards would be a bigger step up in price overall. Maybe for the 12400 where there is no K SKU it might be viable, but if you buy that are you really trying to crank the CPU frequency all the way up?

@pnv1974

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but why to spend more on a 12700k when u can overclock 12700f for less price and for the similar performance

@guiorgy

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody is asking whether we should, we are asking whether we could!

@MrReese

2 жыл бұрын

The 12700K is a waste of money either way with the 12700(F) being like 70 bucks cheaper for 1-2% less performance.

@TheDoomerBlox

2 жыл бұрын

The armchair experts in this chat clearly don't know that locked Intel processors have a locked System Agent ("VCCSA") voltage, which means that you cannot run a good RAM overclock on them. Why is that important? Because doing that results in achieving very healthy +10-20% Low FPS numbers, as well as potentially massive increases in Minimum FPS (stutters-b-gone). The 12600k(f) is the sweetspot of this lineup for this reason, the e-cores aren't even bad if you manage them with Process Lasso and know to increase the E-Core L2 voltage when going up in Ring frequency. (On my 12700k, the difference is a max of 4.8 ring with e-cores off, and 4.5 with e-cores on, not a big deal)

@reviewforthetube6485

2 жыл бұрын

Love my i7 12700k was def worth it for me!

This is probably going to be quite expensive. Obviously it being a ddr4 board helps in total system cost but considering that regular version of this board is already 205€ while said asus b660 boards are around 210€ and atm on sale for 190€ here i would guess this is going to be closer to 250-280€.

Wanted to wait for this board but went asrock b660m itx. Nice to know if I upgrade to a 13700 from the 12100f later I'm not gonna miss out on much.

12400 is the sweetspot. I watch this processor since it has hit the market. I think that it is the go to option with this board for gamers on a budget.

@Daeyae

2 жыл бұрын

@@eye776 Why would you pair anything with a RTX 3050? £300 for a 1660, Non Ti/Super just get a 2060, 1660s or 1070 or something like £100 less and the same performance. Unless in your area the 3050 is £200 ($250)

@Daeyae

2 жыл бұрын

@@eye776 No you will see minor increases, yeah its like 1% or so, but still its there if you can do it, but yeah my point was dont buy a 3050 they are shit

Btw that ddr4 3200 kit at :43 seconds overclocked to 4000 on my pc. And yes that’s with 4 dimms

Oh my god, I'm excited for this. I bought a 12400f and paired it with an H610 and a 3060 Ti on impulse and so far I'm happy with the cost-to-performance ratio. But once this MSI motherboard comes out, I'm going to upgrade the Mobo. Those performance gains are monstrous lol.

@sidismo2903

Жыл бұрын

@Raiyan no performance issues whatsoever, tested it with multiple CPU benchmarks, no overheating too.

@sidismo2903

Жыл бұрын

@Raiyan I went with the Gigabyte H610. PSU is 650 watts. I did give up on waiting for the MSI Mortar Max and upgraded to an MSI Pro B660-A instead since I needed more M.2 slots. But if you don't have too many NVME SSDs, then you're going to be fine with the H610.

@gamerdon6

Жыл бұрын

i dont think you will see those gains unless u get a more beefy gpu 12400 stock already enough for a 3060ti

@TsuneAi

Жыл бұрын

@@sidismo2903 did u follow the same settings as this video? im actually buying the same motherboard as urs (the pro one) with the 12400, and im curious about how it went for u

@sidismo2903

Жыл бұрын

@@TsuneAi it's been so long I forgot what settings I put, put I made sure that the 12400f is running at its max power limit in my bios for the MSI Pro. No difference in performance compared to the Gigabyte H610 which I recall has no option to set a custom power limit.

It'd be really cool to see the Pentium G7400 overclocked on this board. I'd love to see the performance gains for that CPU. I know its core limited but it'd still be really cool to see it gain what it can.

@eugenijusdolgovas9278

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@Spido68_the_spectator

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Because lower core counts benefit the most from OC

I think a 4.8-4.9 would be better 5.1 is veryhot at high clocks when you oc 100mhz the power consuption elevate very fast

Really hoping they update the bios on the existing z690 motherboards that support ddr5 and pci5. I am talking to you MSI z690 unify.

If it's getting close to next-gen CPUs, I wonder if it'll be able to OC a Raptor Lake 13400f to 5.1GHz.

I would appreciate it if you guys used Vermintide 2 in your benchmarks, it is extremely CPU heavy

Performance gain on lower skus is impressive

so this is only doable on a b660 motherboard, but only the MORTAR version? also, how much W of power supply is recommended? i've 12100F + 1050 ti with 500 W power supply. but b660-m, the normal one that doesnt have wifi neither 4 slots of ram, only 2

This makes me really hyped ngl

Do you think that using a mixed technique of bclk and core ratio overclocking on older high end cpus could allow for higher fps than just core ratio overclocking seeing as the cache on the cpus would be I proved? Or is the lack of external pcie clock control going to prove a stumbling block for older chipsets like x99, z270, z390 etc

This is why I build with slightly better parts and then do the opposite - undervolt. Saving on noise, heat and electricity. Makes more sense to me.

Well, with this my 12700f looks like a bad decition, but on th ebrighter side: I have it now and the mobo comes out until august and has only 2 nvme slots while I have 3 drives; would really love if they also release an ATX variant (most B660 mobos are mini atx, so I decided on an H670 due to the PCI lanes and sure fire PL1=PL2 but I'm not sure if it's defective or not since I'm getting a lot of random BSODs... AsRock mobo)

Correct me if im worng but i did the math of difference in percantage betwwen the 12400 OC 5.1GHZ vs 12700 stock and i got 12400 OC is faster by 1 % than the stock 12700 .

Wish I'd seen this a bit earlier, I just bought the MAG Mortar based on the great things you guys had to say about it. One question I've been unable to find an answer to, that maybe you could look into and make a video about - Apparently the VCCSA is locked in non-K SKUs like the i7-12700f, making RAM OC difficult if not outright impossible. As I'm hoping to put an i7-12700f into this motherboard, I'm stuck with a lot of uncertainty about what RAM to buy - whether it's worth a $40 more 4000 or 4400 kit, or put that money towards a 3600 kit with tighter timings.

@LarsSeprest

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Consider the memory QVL list for this mobo and how much ram/how many channels you want to use. I would not chance it as 3600 is the highest frequency with a wide range of vendors supported per the MSI QVL.

Good on MSI to actually provide a sample to someone with enthusiasm towards the product! EDIT: also, the 12100F was already a great value option without this overclock 😆 holy shit, up to 40% faster in certain conditions is pretty awesome.

@dat_21

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but motherboard isn't cheap. You can easily buy 12400 for the difference between "normal" board and this "MAX" version with BCLK.

@dariosucevac7623

2 жыл бұрын

@@dat_21 wdym a normal board? A b660-m A is not that much cheaper than the max version of mortar when it comes out.

@dat_21

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@@dariosucevac7623 We still don't know the price, but I expect like 50$ difference between those. 12400 is like 70$ more expensive so it evens out. 12400 is way better than OC 12100, and you don't have to deal with OC at all which is a huge plus aswell.

@dariosucevac7623

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HW told it might be $10 more than the basic mortar so we will see, I am planning to buy the 12400f + 6600 or 6600xt with the new mortar max for the best value this summer. I hope the prices will plummet even more by then. 😋

Been using a 3930 for 5 years I got it used from Amazon i didnt know it was a chip from 2011 I thought it was just cheap cause it was used I found out months later in the same year when I did research it came out in 2011 I dont research chips often so I just now found out last week that its been a 10th 11th and now 12th gen chips and just found earlier this week more chips are coming both 12400 and 11600 vs my chip is a 70 percent jump I didnt get a 11600 cause of the temp problems 12600 vs my chip is a 100 percent jump these chips compared to each other which is why I went with the 12400 On the left is the classic 3930 which the load temps are in 40s with the d9dx cooler and on the right is the monster 12400 with the SE-214-XT Its amazing how much these chips are able to stay cool even being pre oced out the box compared to the old chips where even going to the same 4.0 as these newer chips the old ones will run hotter My games stutter less cause im not held back by my cpu any more I have been running a 3060 but before that was a 1080 I sold last year and im running a 1440p

12400f with this board and a Mugen 5 with a decent ram kit can be a solid budget gaming build even with next gen

Help: after a ram upgrade the CPU censor is misreporting -1 and 127c causing bios to stop working and not booting up

Is there any chance that MSI could add SA voltage stabilization? If do not touch BCLK in the stock, SA = 0.97v, and my memory can work stably at 3733 MHz, but as soon as I start raising BCLK, SA starts to droping. If I make the CPU frequency 4000 MHz 125 MHz x 32 ratio, then SA drops to 0.94v, and at 130 MHz x 31 ratio SA is already 0.93v. Memory with this voltage is not stable above 3466 MHz. SA voltage needed fix or LLC to save frome drop voltage. And for some reason after decreasing BLCK to 100, SA does not return to stock 0.97. Only after load default settings or clear cmos

Maybe this is the future with newer cpu generations. Hopefully

It would be nice to compare this to 13th gen stock and vs 13th gen oc

Most boards don't support it and I'm sure the boards that do will have some necessary "security" update that disables it. Also there's boards with ddr5 and pcie 5.0 that don't support this like the b660-i strix.

Bad news Steve, the AIDA numbers for non-100 BCLK Alder Lake are bogus - but you can use "IMLCGui" to measure memory performance across a variety of load scenarios in the "Latency" section, or just the default start screen for an "AIDA"-like readout.

@Hardwareunboxed

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate. I've removed the AIDA details from the video.

so weird to hear that Raptor lake is just around the corner... seems like 12th gen chips are just starting to ship in laptops in big quantities.

Hey guys, the video index is disordered after the Test System Specs timestamp.

Could you provide the bios download you were using? The board is now come with newer bios and doesn’t work well for Oc

My 1st intel build in ZZAW C1 might just become a reality if these motherboards will have a reasonable price. If not, might still stick with B550M and Ryzen 5 5600 at a lower price.

@cmja09

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@@rawdez_ damn. i got R5 5600 here in Southeast Asia for $150

DOA and they will have a template for the next gen and possibly be able to roll out that board faster.

I wish there was also temp graph, unless I missed it

If bclk improves the cache, etc, to catch up with K class chips, can the K series also see any benefits from this along side their "normal" overclocking?

I think you probably ran into a GPU limit in some games. 720p results would have mitigated that problem. Interesting video nonetheless!

Thank you.

This works on the current premium Asus B660 boards too but the expense doesn't make it worth it.

Feels like the old P2 and P3 Celeron days are back.

I wish I had this as an option when I got my 12100F, the performance charts are insane

@luluthecat1570

2 жыл бұрын

You can still get the motherboard when it releases

@arvilsdead

2 жыл бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 I think you're missing the point. There's no reason for me to buy a new motherboard just to get BCLK when I could just upgrade my CPU instead

Is it okay to use washer mods as it's picked up by few youtubers. ?? Or is it okay to leave just as it is ? Do you think temps will improve?

Well, the elephant in the room was the massive powerconsumption. Not that it will be for sale in 2 or 3 months. Especially now in Summer. Do you really want to sit with a Budget-system that consumes 400 Watts of Power in most likely a small room with nil Ventilation? At that point you will have 30+ degrees in your room. Yeah, have fun with that...

well....ASrock release a BCLK B660M motherboard with 15-Phase VRM here in Malaysia. Asrock B660M Riptide and it uses DDR4. Would be interesting if Asrock decided to release the motherboard to Global though. The price? 140 usd (Converted from MYR). Goldfries did a review on this board as well.

@ivantsipr

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Intel is blocking the sale of these motherboards on other markets since it will kill the sales of K series CPUs and z690 motherboards

So they're back to what we called FSB overclocking back in the day. I still remember pushing my Celeron 300A to 504 MHz back then.