Thank you all for your time. Just to mention that I did in fact consider using different software for this demonstration as many believe Lightroom is not the best software for handling RAF x-trans RAW files. Knowing that the vast majority of photographers use Lightroom and that I had already run the files through different software, I decided that Lightroom was more then capable and sufficient of showing the difference between files for intended purposes. Thanks for your understanding.

@eavesphoto

4 жыл бұрын

John Armstrong Photography Nicely done. I’d be curious to see what the dynamic range looks like with the Raphael’s from all the cameras in capture 20. I look forward to your next video on AF tracking.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Brian Eaves Thanks Brian, from the basic test I did, I’m now also interested to test the dynamic range a bit further, along with colour, these are two differences from the xt3 that stand out for me. Thanks for your time.

@RollingExistence

4 жыл бұрын

Did you use the "enhance details" feature to take advantage of the new x-trans processing that lightroom has? It makes a massive difference. elialocardi.com/adobe-lightroom-camera-raw-enhance-details-review/

@aristotle_4532

3 жыл бұрын

ISO12800 f8, T2 1/60sec, T4 1/250sec. Two stops of exposure difference, but they achieve a similar exposure. Didn't you think that was strange?

Thanks for the video, after seeing this, I'm going to stick with my XT2

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Cool, glad I could help.

@MrSongwriter2

3 жыл бұрын

I agree if I could have better autofocus and better low light sensitivity I’d have a xt2 mkii over a 3 or 4. As a purely stills photographer I actually think the xt2 is best and not worth wasting money on a 3 or 4. Thanks for helping me decide to wait for an xt 5 lol

I hope Fuji keep releasing new XT models so we can pick up more XT-2's almost for free soon. It's so good it's stupid.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Good idea, then have more to spend in good lenses. 👍

@Aksunkuvat

4 жыл бұрын

Ye its good but i want X-T3 cause G.A.S and better AF

Most already noted that the X-T2 sensor has less noise in higher ISO from when the X-T3 was first released. Also this just shows how good modern sensor technology is. On a blind test, I doubt there will be a clear winner btwn photos taken by the X-T2, X-T3, and X-T4. While a professional might be able to see the minute difference by pixel peeping, it does not make a mark difference to most, especially looking at a photo in its entirety.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I decided to test the three without reading any info on tests being done before, and as I normally do not pixel peep, this was purely for interests sake without the intention of creating a winner. The vast majority of people viewing an image from any of these cameras, and I’d include the xt1, would not be able to tell the difference, professional or not. Maybe very large prints, viewed within a couple if meters, would show the difference. The colour difference though was the only information I personally took from this, as I do prefer and I think it’s obvious that the xt4’s colour is more natural and for those who have worked on Fuji files, blues and purples can be over saturated at time. Cheers

Loved the opening joke!!! Great video, still can't decide whether I should go from XT3 to 4

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a Paul, glad you enjoyed. Either way you can’t go wrong, both beautiful cameras. Are additional video features, including extended battery life and ibis important to you, then xt4, otherwise XT3 is fine.

That was an excellent comparison, even using Lightroom because it is directly comparative. I did a similar test between the X-T1/2/3 a while ago. Having had the X-T4 for nearly a month now, the initial general feelings about the image quality remains. The X-T4 is a super camera. Fuji must have done some magic with the software. It appears in the images to show greater shadow detail and dynamic range over the X-T3. Probably not a scientific reality but certainly a virtual experience when viewing my images. This is a much bigger jump than the X-T3 over the T2 had. I wish I still had the X-T1 to compare because that was a beautiful sensor. I only originally bought the T4 to get the new battery/ibis (because I can’t hold cameras steady now) and Classic Neg simulation. The better image performance was a bonus. Also the physical handling and ergonomics are the best of the range (the T3 grip left me cold) maybe that is a personal problem because of the shape of my hands. To me the X-T4 is quite a jump from the previous model. Thanks for your excellent video.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Gary, I appreciate your insight. Glad to hear you are enjoying the xt4. I too prefer the slightly larger body and grip on the xt4, it’s a welcomed addition. Thanks for your time.

The biggest differences are around video and autofocus. The actual images aren't much difference, certainly not enough to worry about. Need video, get a 3 or 4. Stills your priority? Get a 2 and spend the difference on a good lens. The 2 blew people away when released, still an amazing camera.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment Pete, good points. I know many people still shooting on xt1 and xt2 and loving it. My cameras get into the hundreds of thousands of accusations pretty early on, I generally upgrade to new because I have to. As I’ve mentioned in previous videos, xpro1 to xpro2 and xt1 to xt2 were the biggest jumps in the x series cameras for fujifilm, since then, smaller jumps. Cheers

Great video John, about time we had something decent concentrating on the stills side instead of video. I own the XT2 and had a free loan of the XT4 for 5 days. The shutter button on XT4 is a much nicer mechanism.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, yes the shutter mechanism does have a nice feel. One of the weak points for me on the xt2, was that after a lot of use, which I put my old xt2 through, the shutter mechanism would start to cease up and get stickier, the newer cameras have definitely improved on overall durability. Cheers

Thanks John and hello from Port Elizabeth. I'm looking at upgrading, finally, after years shooting on the T10. I need video mainly and HSS for some of the stills I wanna create. Great to see the T2 is holding up so well, even though I find the noise on the T3/4 quite pleasant, or rather, not intrusive. Thanks for making the time to create this video, being in the film industry, I know its a lot more work than it looks. Also, quite keen to see your film scans video, I still have a love for the medium, both 35mm and medium format, albeit it being much more expensive to do with our current economic state.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Fanjan, thanks for your time and comment. Excited to hear you have the opportunity to upgrade. Whatever you decide on, enjoy! I’m currently looking into the best way to do a video with the film scanner, hopefully soon, cheers, take care.

Great video as always John. You new Illustrated logos are super cool too! I think you’re right about pixel density increasing high ISO noise in the latest 26MP X-trans sensors. Re: Sharpness I’ve found with tripods, turn off both OIS and IBIS always. Hand held, turn off OIS unless you are working with super slow shutter speeds. IBIS is more forgiving handheld.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lyndon for your kind words and bringing up some great points. I totally agree that in most situations, it would best to turn off the IBIS, I certainly haven’t trusted the claims that it does not effect image quality in all situations. I also considered turning it off before making my video and when I got the initial results in before removing Lightroom sharpening, I thought the entire test would have to be redone with IBIS turned off. I decided to go with the claim fujifilm made, that the IBIS does work well locked off, and thought it would cover me when people said I should’ve tested it with IBIS on. In my opinion, the image quality without IBIS can only get better now knowing the results with it on. I personally think it’s best to create a function button allowing the photographer to turn it off and on quickly. I may do tests with it on and off to compare in future. I haven’t done a video yet on this subject. Thanks again Lyndon.

thanks for taking the time, good work... my conclusion is I will keep my XT2 for a very long time since the IQ out of it is still fantastic.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Miguel, thanks for your time and comment.

All 3 cameras are amazing. My opinion is that you can’t go wrong with Fujifilm

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

That would be a sensible opinion, thanks for the comment.

"It's not Squarespace you can relax". Hahaha perfect.

@jonizzzle

4 жыл бұрын

I had the same thoughts haha

I was not expecting that joke at the beginning of the video : you make my day !! Thanks. And of course, as usual, very good video. Regarding prices, I think I will stick with my beloved XT-2 and perhaps by another used one.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Djoff, glad you enjoyed. The xt2 is a fantastic camera, buying a second one would be a sensible choice. Even better, you may get a chance to invest in good glass with what you’ve saved. Thanks again.

I love the Chuck Norris joke at the beginning :))

I have watched several of your videos now and I can’t understand why your channel have so few subscribers. How can we make a shout out to people so more people can benefit from your extremely informative and educational material..? Top notch to describe it mildly..😁

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Daniel, I appreciate it. I’ve been told that videos coming out of South Africa along with certain other countries are not priority when it comes to recommended videos, due to the lower advertising numbers and wealth in general, but I haven’t paid attention to that. I’m almost at 7k subscribers with 39 videos posted, I think that’s pretty normal and I will continue to push on to grow the channel. Just by sharing, subscribing and liking my videos, you are helping and it’s appreciated. Hopefully my video will continue to be a benefit to many and the channel grows. Cheers

Hi John - thanks again for another interesting and informative video. And I enjoyed the Chuck Norris story! :) For me, the biggest disappointment with the announcement of the X-T4 was that the sensor was virtually the same as in the X-T3. Having moved over from a Canon 6D some years ago to Fujifilm, my biggest disappointment has been the noise at higher ISOs. I was keen to get the X-T4, sold my X-T3 to generate some funds for it and kept my X-T2. The noise factor from this camera is definitely better than from the X-T3 (and now X-T4 as well) as your tests confirm. So now I'm really torn - keep the X-T2 or upgrade, or wait for the next upgrade? Decisions, decisions! But one thing I would like to know - I shoot RAW and Jpeg, and when I compare the two files afterwards, the built-in software for the Jpeg conversion does a superb job with the noise reduction - much better than what I can achieve with Lightroom or Photoshop. Would love to know what settings they use for that. Anyway, thanks again - looking forward to the next video.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Rob, I appreciate your comment and time. It’s a tough decision, for me the high ISO performance in my opinion between the bodies is smaller then some of the other important differences. It does also depend on your needs. I found the overall build quality and battery an important upgrade with the IBIS being a bonus. The XT2 for all its ability in IQ and noise, with the amount of shooting I do, was not as strong or durable then what we get now in the XT4. I also feel that even though the xt4 around 3200 and 6400 ISO has a higher noise level, it holds way more detail then the XT2, so when applying noise reduction in post, it should hold up very well. I don’t do much in camera jpg shooting, but Fujifilm certainly do that very well. I’m hoping in the next video to release some files for people to go over, jpgs included. Thanks Again.

Great video, thanks for your work! As some already commented, it would be worth checking if you would notice same differences using Capture One; surely, you've saved files ;-). While you are quite right about Lightroom being more widely used, in the Fuji community it is observed that C1 interprets the Fuji raw files considerably better than Lightroom does.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Admir, when I get a chance Ill definitely run them through C1, still have them😁. I’ll be doing a video on profiles, raw and jpeg soon, C1 will probably come up in that video. Cheers, thanks for your time.

Thanks for your great review again! Maybe I've missed it in your explanation about ISO, but to me at looks like the shutter speed of the XT2 is always slower with the same ISO setting compared to the XT2 and XT4. Did I saw this correctly? Would it be a benefit for lower light situations or faster actions (wildlife for example)? Now I can understand that people, including me, have a some doubts to upgrade from an xt2 when it still fits their shooting style :-)

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your time and comment. You are correct, the shutter speeds were different, but its not because they are different cameras. Each camera completed it test shots one after the other in ambient light. And with the xt2 being the last camera tested with the light changing as the sun was setting and going behind clouds, the exposure time got a bit longer to match other camera exposure. Unfortunately I was wasn’t able to keep all shots at the exact same shutter speed. Cheers, thanks again.

Thanks for the video, looks like the x-t4 has the best colors. I wonder if you could do such comparison with the Z6

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe at some stage Jeff. Thanks for your time.

Would love to see a comparison like this between these cameras but ALSO including a X-T100 or X-T200 or another "non x-trans" sensor Fuji camera.

Hi John -- this is very helpful -- but isn't the general advice to shut off IBIS when shooting from a tripod?

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jimmy for your time. I definitely know that older ibis and lens stabilizing systems required one turn it off on a tripod, but as I was recently repeatedly told by fujifilm that’s it’s not necessary to turn it off when locked off, I took them at their word. I do know many using the xh1 say and I can concur, that once you hand hold over 1/1000th, you should turn off ibis as it does seem to effect sharpeners, and making one of the function buttons the ibis on/off, is recommended. This may apply to the xt4 as well, but at the shutter speeds I was using in this test, it doesn’t seem to affect it. If anything, the xt4 image will improve without ibis locked off, but not by much in my opinion. Hopefully as people test it more extensively, we will find out. Cheers

I think that what you perceive as a difference in the treatment of the highlights is caused by the whites having more of a yellow tint on the X-T4 which make the highlights appear a tiny bit less pronounced, whereas the slightly blue tint of the X-T2 in particular makes the whites shine a bit more and so they look a bit brighter.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Beat, yeah I did consider the colour temp and how it affected the perception of dynamic range by warming up the highlights. After shooting this video, I played around a bit and warmed up the xt3 images in post, and I still felt there is a slight improvement with the xt4. I’ve also been contacted by some who bought and use the xt4 and they have also mentioned what they believe to be slightly better dynamic range. A few mentioned that in the shadows they see it most. I only picked it up in the highlights in my test. Thanks for your time and comment.

I am so glad they got rid of that blue/purple tint in the shadows and highlights I own an xt2 and it used to bug me!!!thinking I hadn’t nailed white balance....

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks interesting to hear Obren, the difference certainly surprised me. Thanks for your feedback and time.

Thank you for these comparisons. Is it possible that at the time that you processed these shots that LR was not yet really supporting XT-4 files? Otherwise IBIS may have been the culprit. I have an XT-2 camera that I have loved but it is getting a bit long in the tooth. For me as an almost exclusively still photographer, neither the XT-3 or XT-4 seem like compelling upgrades though. The better color rendition seems like a good plus, but it's a lot of money to pay for that. I do a fair amount of low-light shooting (events, concerts, indoor activities like chess tournaments, etc) and the increased noise at higher ISO's is particularly concerning. Also, sometimes, though, the Fuji XT-2 has trouble focusing in low light with some lenses like the beloved 35mm 1.4. Do the newer Fuji's focus better with that lens in low light? Thanks again.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill, the XT3 and xt4 are both very capable cameras and the additional features, like better focus, better shutter & build quality (XT3 and even more so on xt4) and addition detail in the images, makes them both a good choice. I would not be concerned about the additional noise you saw on the XT3 and xt4 files, they both hold way more detail at high iso then the xt2, and even though the xt2 may be cleaner, it lacks detail, so adding noise reduction in post to either XT3 or xt4, still retaining detail, makes for, in my opinion, a better image. I’m not sure about LR ability to read the xt4 file, it did read it, but maybe it will be improved in future with LR updates. I still think the xt4 image looked good and at the very least will improve without ibis. I took fujifilm to task by testing it with ibis, which they claim should work perfectly. I’ve been told that if you do shoot at high shutter speed, a 1000th and up, its best to turn it off. Thanks for your time.

Amazing that you have to do this pixel-level scrutiny to see the tiny difference in sensor performance between three generations of cameras, spanning almost 5 years of development. Obviously, the in-camera stabilization and flippy screen are major differences with the arrival of the X-T4 but- at least for still shooters- we're as well sticking to the X-T2 and pocketing the change.

@peoplez129

3 жыл бұрын

These tests are not accurate though, clearly different exposures being used. Guy clearly used auto exposure rather than a fixed exposure. That means pretty much all the comparisons are void, even the color ones, and especially the noise ones.

The colour findings are quite revealing, I had always noticed a purple hue in the greys of my X-T2 and chalked it up to film simulations. You mentioned the lighting situation was variable and it changed your shutter speeds, so I was wondering if the dynamic range takeaways based on highlight control could be influenced by longer exposures, a.k.a. a slightly longer shutter speed could be blowing out specular highlights rather than it being a reflection of DR. Cheers

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Goran, the colour difference for me was the most interesting and in my opinion, a welcomed difference. Yes correct, the ambient light was not constant, so there is a chance a slightly longer shutter speed could effect highlights. I decided on the time of day that would allow a slowish shutter speed, but not overly long, so I’m not sure that difference between the shutter speeds would make enough difference to effect dynamic range much. I have also heard from others who have purchased the xt4 that they are finding a slightly improved dynamic range, most notably shadow, which I didn’t see much of, so not 100% sure myself. Thanks again for your time and comment.

@GoranSlika

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnArmstrongPhotography Thanks for the reply, and I agree about the colours looking better, perhaps a more compelling reason to update my body than any I've heard yet in terms of my needs.

What color profiles were you using in lightroom? Adobe Standard? Provia? Adobe Color?

Xt4's images look the best, beaituful colours, sharper, more dynamic range, I'm upgrading from the xt-20 to this, thanks for the review

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed Matthew, I personally preferred the colour and extra detail in the high iso images on the xt4. Noise reduction can always be added if necessary, but not that extra detail retained. Thanks for your time.

@KI_Burgberg_DE

4 жыл бұрын

For video or action photography I could understand, but not from that comparison. And xt4 is bigger again. Exactly opposite why you bought the xt20. Size!

@matpez65

4 жыл бұрын

@@KI_Burgberg_DE I didn't by the xt20 for size I bought it because I had a great deal on it and I wanted to try mirrorless, absolutely love the xt20 but look forward to the ibis to go with my 16-55, better sensor and I'll welcome the bigger Size as as much as I love my xt20 it is probably just a bit too small for me

Great review! Regarding color differences, is there an actual difference in color science between those models, or this is just the difference in Lightroom profiles? Do you see the same difference in colors when shooting JPEG? In those examples X-T4 IMHO looks better, but it would be interesting to see how that translates to portraiture and skin tones SOOC. Traditionally, Fuji has great skin tone SOOC but that rendering is not realistic (Fuji calls it "memory colors"), so if X-T4 has more realistic rendering then that can be seen as negative for SOOC skin tones.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Toma for your time. I’m not 100% sure what was going on colour wise, and to add to that, I was using the xt4 before release, this may not be the case with production units. All settings were the same, including profiles. It was really the blue that stood out to me more then anything else, so I don’t think it will badly impact on skin tones necessarily. I did shoot jpg plus RAW and the jpgs has similar differences colour wise, but what I did find was that the xt4 did an amazing job SOOC over the xt2&3, the quality really looked great. I agree the xt4 images look best, with a lot more detail, an when adding noise reduction at high ISO, any difference between it and the xt2 was quickly sorted out. Cheers

It's possible that the more visible noise in the high iso photos from the X-T3 and X-T4 make the images appear a little sharper than the X-T2, tricking the eye into thinking it has more detail.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Good point Mr Susan, I gave it some thought, I also considered the fact that the noise appeared worse in the XT3 and XT4 at high ISO, possibly due to them having sharper more detailed images. From what I can see and I’m not expert at pixel peeping, I’d say the xt2 has less noise at very high ISO and its due to it having less pixels. With a slight noise adjustment in post, the XT3 and XT4 would match it, but remain more detailed. Thanks for you time and comment.

I would like to see this test done using SOOC Jpegs to see the difference in color.

Very interesting, I guess the x-s10 will be like x-t4?

I don't know what camera to get between this monster Fuji xt4 or the Nikon z6? I'm a beginner and learning this camera thing and taking notes is a beauty. I can't wait until I make a decision and get my camera for these epic pictures and videos here in NYC. Peace and love family I love this channel...

@Ishijah1

4 жыл бұрын

You better off with Fujifilm

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

I’m excited for you Osiris, awesome to hear how keen you are to get out and shoot, that’s what photography is all about, irrespective of your camera decision. Thanks for your time.

Capture One is better for Fuji processing I hear. Also, I wish a comparison with skin tones in different lighting scenarios was presented...

Use Capture One bro :) for cleaner output till adobe figures out to updated 10 year engine to fix worm effects. Or use enhanced details conversion wich removes worms.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I’ve used Capture one a few times and it is good. Problem is the amount of effort to make the change over is holding me back. Over 500 weddings, 60000 edited images each year, all catalogued, it will take a while to make a change over. I’m currently looking into the new detail conversion, looks like adobe is starting to address issues. If adobe cannot improve, soon, I’ll make the move. Hope they can sort their issues. Cheers

Hi John I own a 70D and wanted to upgrade to the xt2 because it handles noise better, I also wanted to get the 5d mkii because of the full frame and I know you were a canon shooter. 70D just has alot of noise and sometimes a bit soft, I do few weddings a year and I'm just scared of battery life in the xt2. I can't decide which way to go I know I will benefit with the weight of the Xt2 please help or give advice

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Vernon, thanks for the question. I’ve used both the 5dmkii and xt2, both great cameras, but different. They both have more then enough quality for weddings, lens choice is also a big factor. The advantage of the 5dmkii is a battery that will last almost a full day, the xt2 would probably need 3 batteries at least to match it, also depending on how you shoot, chimping and so on. The advantage of the xt2, is the mirrorless system, giving you instant exposure and depth of field feedback in the evf and it’s size. I personally was happy to buy more batteries to avail of the benefits of a small mirrorless system. Hope that helps.

@vernondekoker8797

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnArmstrongPhotography Thanks for your feedback, I was leaning towards the Xt2 I just love the how it handles the noise. I just looking for a good used XT2 I saw the amazing images Patrick gets I saw his work on one of fujifilm live sessions especially the skin tones which Canon Dlsr doesn't handle well and the lenses are in a good price range aswell.

25:26 The XT3 has more noise because it has less than half the exposure. You didn't do the tests properly controlled. You set the aperture the same, the ISO the same, but they're different exposure times. Same issue with the sharpness, noise can make images appear sharper than they are if the focus/lens itself isn't tack sharp. I think what's going on is lightroom is automatically normalizing the exposures between the two camera's because of it being in the comparison/candidate mode.

@alexyjm

2 жыл бұрын

Same exposure, but probably less light with the xt2...

@doctordiandkat

Жыл бұрын

I came here to see if no one else had noticed this. The comparison has different exposure times, so either the ISO ratings are different across cameras or, as someone else said, less light with the XT2...

As most serious photographers know, you can sometimes shoot two frames from the same camera & lens, using the same exact settings, and get slightly different color casts. And, no matter whether you shoot with an X-T3 or X-T4, you're going to get kick-ass images that are publishable. I routinely print 20" x 30" (51cm x 76cm) from X-T3 files and Nikon D850 files and, to the vast majority of the world (and many pros), nobody can tell the difference. Occasionally on some large X-T3 prints I'll see some artifacting, but, depending on the image, it's negligible. Pixel peeping is interesting, but it's mostly a circle jerk.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your time and comment. For me personally I just wanted to see if there was any noticeable evolution in the xt range from an IQ and ISO perspective. I didn’t expect to see any colour difference. In the end, from an IQ and ISO perspective, not much and yes I’ve printed many large images with xt1 all the way through to the xt3 and and with my GFX, all very capable. But the colour difference is there for sure, it’s not a cast, it’s different in each generation of camera. I took 66 images in total, three shots per ISO setting, per exposure, per camera and the colour difference remained true throughout for each camera. The xt4 colours are more natural, the other two more saturated, the xt2 the most saturated. In all my years shooting, I’ve never tested two or more sensors from different generations in the same camera model. It was interesting to see the evolution, but in real world shooting, doesn’t mean a huge amount. Cheers

@GoodLifeInSpain

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnArmstrongPhotography Thanks for your response. I do enjoy your videos!

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers man. 👍take care

Seems clear there's some software differences between the T3 and the T4 even though they share they same hardware. I have to say I'm also curious about the sharpness issue. I have felt that a few of my shots have been less sharp with the T4 than I'd expect from the T3 in similar situations, though I'm happy to admit it's just my imagination or my own limitations as a photographer. I'm not sure whether there's something up with the IBIS or not, but for now I have AE-L assigned to IBIS and leave it turned off unless I want it for slower shutter speeds.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting Matthew, I would keep an eye on it, I wouldn’t dismiss it, especially understanding how IBIS could potentially effect an image. I was shocked initially, but once I figured out how Lightroom’s sharpening was different on the XT4, it made more sense. Thanks again for your time and support.

@matthewwells1606

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnArmstrongPhotography John I really appreciate your videos. Thanks for everything you do. I am definitely new to shooting with IBIS so I'm learning as I go!

@666davekerr

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewwells1606 hi mate. I'm an xh1 user and I can definitely say to turn IBIS over at higher shutter speeds, I have had very slight blur in Images shot at 1/1000 this was with ibis on continuous. As soon as I turned it off, no more soft shots at higher shutter speeds. Xt4 is probably the same. Hope that helps

Please compare each video quality with low light situation.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately the camera has returned to fujifilm, hopefully I’ll be able do it in future.

Do all three models lack an AA filter? Would a standard color chart have been a more objective subject for comparison?

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Correct Paul, they do not have an AA filter, they have the x-trans sensor layout. I’m sure there are many methods that I could have used that would have been way more objective. Unfortunately under lockdown, I’m limited in how I can test, but I wasn’t really looking for a winner, really just to see if there was any difference with the naked eye. Thanks for your time, cheers

Mr. Armstrong! As usual, another fantastic on fujifilm bodies! Your knack for camera components' functions and intricacies never ceases to amaze me! I know that only few people would appreciate your coverage of the XT4 LCD. Honestly, that drew me to anticipate future camera and lenses reviews from you. Can't wait for your next video regarding the AF performances of these bodies [Hoping it will be within the week, especially the XT3 vs XT4. This XT4 review revealed issues from his unit on its video AF (kzread.info/dash/bejne/loStpc9vlNubeqg.html skip to 14:09)]! By the way, I'd take it that, overall, among the 3, if ever you'd be choosing one, just taking into consideration the colour science alone and regardless of the advantages and disadvantages of the current line: XPro3, XT3, X100v, you're going to pick the XT4 in a snap? Thank you again for your efforts, Mr. Armstrong. God's blessings be upon you.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nathaniel, I appreciate your kind words. I will check out that link, thanks. Just looking at colour alone, nothing else, I prefer the xt4 with its more natural looking colour, without loosing that unique fujifilm colour look. I’m yet to test the xpro3 colour wise, possible that it also shares the same colour as the xt4. Cheers

Tripod or not, wont the consistently slower shutter speed on the x-t2 affect the image sharpness? The x-t2 shutter is not as refined and vibrant free as the newer models, so the slower ss could cause slight image blur. Also the x-trans sensor on the x-t2 was infamous for its more smooth image rendering, not only in jpegs, aka waxy skin effect. Thanks for the comparison, looking at a used x-t2, so this video was very helpfull :-)

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Guy, I definitely saw that waxy look coming in around the high ISO’s. I personally don’t feel there was enough of a difference shutter wise between shots and non of the shots had very long shutter speeds. I think the biggest difference was around 2 stops in shutter speed, but overall, all were pretty close. I think possibly the ibis on the xt4 negatively affected it’s image, but at this stage, I cannot prove it. Thanks for your time and comment.

Wow Xt2 the best ..!!!

Why are half (including this) of the youtube videos talking about exposure under exposed? Do creators not adjust monitor brightness from default (almost always way too bright)?

As a still photographer with an xt30(beginner), I have no idea if I should upgrade to Xh1 or xt3 or xt4, or just get a nice 50-140 and 56f1.2 as priorities LOL. I am so confused if the IbIs will help me a lot in low light situation...not a fan of flip screen but, seems xt4 has everything and better image quality and color...sign...

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment and time. Personally I would always opt for better glass if I can, lenses are a priority to me and those two lenses you are interested in are fantastic. Good luck with your choice.

@muwuw1247

4 жыл бұрын

John Armstrong Photography With your suggestion now I can make sure my next purchase will be lenses. Thanks so much, love ur channel xd

The X-T3 is noticeably desaturated, but the T4 and T2 are the same, except for the warmth. I think maybe cooling the T4 very slightly will turn those pinks more purple and take the orange out of the yellows, as well as making the whites white again. Camera manufacturers do this often. They add stylised tint to the image for the trends at the time. Leica shooters have noticed it between the M10 and M11 also. Typically warm green is the colour negative look and cool magenta is the colour positive look.

@WizardOfCheese

Жыл бұрын

id agree with this, my d4s is way warmer than my d750. i have to set the kelvin to 5000 on my d4s to match daylight 5500 of my d750. its weird. and no it's not a colour profile thing.

Would using the IBIS on the XT4 while on a tripod downgrade the image quality?

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike, yes I considered that it might affect quality. I had also heard from others, and having used the xh1 before that high shutter speed images with ibis tend to affect quality. I’ve personally have not seen much of a difference at the speeds I was using and because fujifilm claim it doesn’t need to be turned off, I took them at their word. If anything, the xt4 could improve without ibis, but with it, still performed very well. Cheers

at 6400iso around 27min.. the xt2 is like having 2 stops 1/30 vs 1/125 longer exposure compare to the xt3. it's like comparing m43 sensor to FF with eq exposure. Of course, you will see more noise.. a lot more

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. This was shot outdoors in fluctuating ambient light in the late afternoon at sun down. When I was testing the xt2 the sun went behind cloud at that point, meaning to match exposure between all cameras, I had to adjust shutter speed by two stops. The exposure is exactly the same. The xt3 had more light, the xt2 had less light. If light was exactly the same and I gave the xt2 the 2 stop advantage with exposure and then matched it in post, then yes it would have the advantage. Longer exposure doesn’t always mean less noise, it also depends on the amount of available light. There is only one way to compensate for fluctuating ambient light in this type test to match exposure, and that is shutter adjustments. If I adjust aperture, then I can not compare image quality or sharpness, if I adjust ISO to compensate, then there is no point doing an ISO test. A more scientific type test would be in a controlled environment. Thanks

Using Lightroom to process x-trans raw files is degrading to image quality in of itself. It’s well established that Adobe does an inferior job de-mosacing compared to capture 1, irdient, silky pix, etc. “enchanted details” doesn’t work.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your time and comment. Yes I am aware of the known issues with the way Lightroom handles Fujifilm X-trans flies and did consider opening the images up in Iridient, Silkypix, or capture one, obviously with no intention of editing the images, just presenting the RAF file at import. But in the end used Lightroom, which by far is the most popular and most used software. I have viewed the xt4 images in silkypix and found no obvious difference at import, or at least not enough to be relevant to the majority of people. Thanks again, cheers

@lifethroughalens9878

4 жыл бұрын

I'm interested in this topic - I posed this question recently on a forum and by and large the consensus seemed to be that Adobe's issues with x-trans raw *used* to be a thing but really isn't any more. I've taken one image through C1, LR and Iridient and to my untrained eye I can't see any difference (Well, apart from a slight color shift and highlights etc which is easily changed in either one). I couldn't find "structural" issues with any of the pictures, whether that be "worms" or fuzziness or anything else. Is there a particular type of image that would better show up differences in the way Adobe handles x-trans raw (as I'd genuinely like to try), or is it possible that Adobe no longer suffer from this?

@txaggie99

4 жыл бұрын

Life Through a Lens Adobe LR still suffers from this. But it is MUCH better than it used to be. It used to really bother me but now it’s not enough of a difference to bother changing my workflow to another program. Everyone talks about this but most people use LR even though C1 does a slightly better job with Fuji RAWs. Unless you pixel peep and look for the differences, you won’t notice it.

@tastemysaucer

4 жыл бұрын

Who the hell uses lightroom lol

@RollingExistence

4 жыл бұрын

Why do you think the "enhance details" feature doesn't work? I can easily tell the difference myself, and there is pretty good evidence online that it's doing a lot. elialocardi.com/adobe-lightroom-camera-raw-enhance-details-review/

Hey John , will you say that X-T30 has same color difference as with X-T3 ?

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, bar one or two simulations that may not be present in the Xt30. Other then that, the sensor and RAW processing are identical in both cameras.

@animaxxx4429

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnArmstrongPhotography great, thanks 🍻

was so excited when upgraded to XT3, though when I did a side by side comparison between RAW files of XT1 and XT3, I was shocked that there are actually more details in the 16mp XT1 sensor then the 26mp XT3(which i believe is EXACTLY the same as the XT4), your video further proven that, seriously what happen to Fuji??

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I know many who praise the xt1 and still use it. I owned the xt1 and personally enjoyed it, but felt the cameras which came after the xt1, like the xt2 were better for a number of reasons, not all to do with image quality though. The steps fujifilm has taken since the xt2, have been small in my opinion, more to do with durability and features of the camera then any major image quality improvement, thanks again, cheers.

@FotosyMas.

4 жыл бұрын

I’m noticing the same. Recently acquired an old Xe2s and I’m finding those files to be sharper and have more detail than the files coming out of X-t3 and x100v

@KI_Burgberg_DE

4 жыл бұрын

That’s why I kept my X-A1. ☺️

@rumporridge1

4 жыл бұрын

That’s why I still shoot my xpro1 as well.

@jan-martinulvag1953

3 жыл бұрын

About sharpness. The X-A5 is racer sharp. X-T100 even more so. But its not better. If you photograph vegetation and zoom in you get to a point where the sharpness destroys the image and you no longer can tell what you are looking at. All you see is weird shapes that makes no sense. The softer image is better cos you are actually able to say what you are looking at.

I thought XT3 and XT4 have the same sensor. Surprised about the differences between the two

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

So was I, and they both do share the X-Processor 4, a quad-core CPU. Im not ruling out the fact I used a preproduction camera, but I actually preferred the colours on the XT4, I preferred it overall.

It's worth noting the difference of exposure on the high ISO comparisons between X-T2 + 3 / 4. On the ISO 6400 shot between the 2 and 4, the exposure of the X-T2 is 1/30th, but the X-T4 is 1/125th.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Apologies, I'm writing to you a second time, I accidentally deleted first reply. Thanks for your time. I shot these all very late in the afternoon. At the time of the ISO6400 shots, I started with the T4, followed by the T3 and T2, and this was exactly as the sun touch the horizon and the moving cloud was changing ambient more then I had hoped. I was concerned, that being a couple stops out at 1/30th, it would negatively affect the T2 noise performance, but to my surprise it did well with noise at high ISO's, but wasn't near as sharp. I only wish I could have done it bit quicker and more accurate, but with one same type lens per three cameras, it wasn't possible. Thanks for your comment, cheers.

@holgerhill3591

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnArmstrongPhotography Longer shutter speeds = more photons = less noise. Maybe this can explain the visible difference in high ISO grain. Nonetheless I am very impressed how close the cameras are in terms of image quality. Thanks for the test!

0:22 Uff, I almost clicked away afre seeing that awful 90's style vector graphic there boet! great video though!

What we can see visually between all of them is very little difference if any in terms of perceptual image quality. Zooming in further the xt2 clearly has less noise but that is likely because noise reduction is applied in camera. The XT3 and 4 don’t appear to have this and retain more detail, then it’s the users decision to apply NR in post, I personally prefer this. Shooting RAW allows us to process the images how we see fit, however different cameras have different starting points, shown here in this video. It would be very easy in post to make all these images look the same and for that reason I would not let that influence a buying decision. However I prefer the XT3 and 4 because noise reduction seemed to be reduced or removed at higher ISO’s. Nice video

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jon, I appreciate your comment, I agree that most of difference seen here in the test, do not have a major effect on everyday use. The colour difference did surprise me most, I think it would be beneficial, if out of camera, the blues and purples were better controlled, saves just a little bit of time, otherwise all cameras performed well.

@jonhoward7627

4 жыл бұрын

Hi John yeah I totally agree it’s certainly odd to see the colour differences between them, the XT4 seems more neutral for sure and more pleasing. I wonder how this may impact film simulations.

@peoplez129

3 жыл бұрын

Its clear that the XT2 was shot at 1/30th and the XT4 at 1/125th. So the noise difference clearly comes from the exposure differences. Which makes me wonder how it could have been missed, because the exposure would have to been brought down nearly 4 stops to match.

Who’s chok Boris?

X-T100 and X-A5 is oversharpened in camera and its making vegetation look weird with lines. I think maybe Fuji has realised that the X-T3 was a little bit too sharp. ? On X-T100 I have to set sharpness to minus 2 to make is look nice. I don't mind that landscapes look different out of camera than in reality as long as I like what I see. My great frustration is photographing paintings. I wish I could send you a painting to experiment with. I found that the samsung nx mini is the most accurate camera for my paintings. Its really strange. If you know an artist, get a painting made with acrylic paint and with matte paint, not glossy. If you add a little bit yellow to the X-T3 the magenta will get reduced. I am not 100% sure but I think RawTherapee handles fuji files and its free.

Why was there 1 second vs 1/4 second for the same exposure in XT2 vs XT4 ? the only conclusion I have is that there was more light when you shoot with the XT4... hence all that color analysing you did is... not quite relevant ?

You should have started at ISO 160 since the T3 and T4 start there and image quality will be better. And, off course noise will be more noticable in a sharper image than a softer one.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your time and comment. I did consider starting at 160, but in the brief test I did, there is close to no noticeable difference in image quality with the naked eye, especially trying to show any difference on video. It’s a third of a stop, so nothing major and I decided on full stop increments only. You are correct in stating that noise would be more noticeable in a sharper image, but having given it a close look, it’s not just sharpening that is the difference, there is less noise. Thanks again, cheers

I prefer the XT- 5! What a beast!!!

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more😂

Pretty sure processor is different on xt4, that’s the benefit of it

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Looking at the online specs and what I was told by local reps, they both share same X-Processor 4, a quad-core CPU. Maybe it has to do with copy I have, being a preproduction model, not entirely sure. Its not bad, I actually prefer the colours, just strange that it is different.

Lol.)) XT2 the best choice

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t go wrong with an xt2, or any of them.

Chuck Norris is he still relevant in 2020?

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Chuck is always relevant, time stands still for him. 😄 Just my tired humor during this lockdown, cheers.

My a7rii has more noise in lightroom than the xt2 hahahahaha

XT2 sensor is kick ass way better than XT3 and XT4, XT4 is very disappointing.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

The XT2 is a great camera. Thanks for your time.

@DjCjFoto

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if I would agree with you on this. Yes ISO performance is little better, but colour accuracy of X-T4 wins big time, something that I wasn't happy about on X-T2 and X-T3, back in the days. It's much easier to control ISO noise, than colours, at least in my case. I hated artificial blue in the Sky, especially with X-T2, but pretty much with X-T3 too. The change on X-T4 is very welcome!

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

DjCj-Foto Agreed, I personally preferred the more natural looking colour on the xt4 files, I think the fact it is also sharper at higher ISO, the additional noise is not a big deal for me and can be controlled.

@meme4one

4 жыл бұрын

There are no "big time" improvements unless you're a videographer. The colour science is a little different but nothing a tiny tweak in light room or your suite of choice wouldn't fix, save it and reuse on all imports. Or stop pixel peeping and focus on taking better more interesting pics.

Comparing RAW files in Lightroom makes no sense. Lightroom does not handle Fujifilms RAW files properly.

@JohnArmstrongPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your time and comment, yes I am aware of issues in relation to x-trans files and Lightroom and did consider multiple software options. Before posting this video, I have in fact opened XT3 / XT4 and Xpro3 files in alternative software, and the fact that there was no significant difference on RAF files just previewing (not actually being edited), and with the vast majority of photographers out there using Lightroom, I decided to use it and thought it sufficient for what I was demonstrating. Cheers.