I really wish that Archie Sonic could’ve won that battle but I don’t care anymore, it was a good battle and I love Wally West and Archie Sonic in the end. And Wally West did had this in the bag. So I’m not angry. I enjoyed the video.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@jewellslofton973

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@alexandrapagan3222

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon I don't.

@neocyndaquil

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexandrapagan3222 You have your own opinion and we respect it. So you should respect our opinion as well.

@jewellslofton973

3 жыл бұрын

@@neocyndaquil right

Just thinking about those speeds is making my head spin.

@TheKyrix82

3 жыл бұрын

You think that's messed up? They didn't even use the fastest version of Wally: The one from Kingdom Come, where he was simultaneously in every place in Central and Keystone Cities at all times, preventing crimes from ever happening.

Looks like Archie Sonic couldn't get "past" this competition.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Ouch XD

@KingRock9717

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon Thank you. Thank you. I'll be here all week.

@moneyman2256

3 жыл бұрын

Rockking9717 idk which pun is more terrible Boomstick or this

You know what I'd hope SEGA would do? Make a Sonic the Hedgehog MMO!

Wally did what no Sonic villain could... defeat Sonic.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

True

@nathanalexandre9043

Жыл бұрын

Robotnik beat him a few times.

@SonGokan7376

Жыл бұрын

Didn't Mephiles kill Sonic?

@kovidarthehedgehog4066

Жыл бұрын

@@SonGokan7376 No wonder why he's still alive in Archie comics while being erased from the existence in the mainstream universe.

@fatalwaffle1715

Жыл бұрын

Didn't Zero/Infinite The Jackal also beat Sonic and he did it twice. And Mephiles killed Sonic. So no. Villians have beaten Sonic. So he was NEVER unbeatable. He's very beatable.

Both these two are overpowered but the story always comes first

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

That is true

@jewellslofton973

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon yeah

@anthonyclements7124

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon! Everyone! THERE'S A Alternate Ending Right Here! kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqp-rdewcruagpc.html

@Bleeperblopper497

3 жыл бұрын

Not trying to be rude, just thought I'd also provide extra for people that are still indecisive

Well, this could be considered the final nail in the coffin for Archie Sonic. But even in JLU, Flash was shown to nearly shook apart The Watchtower even though he swapped minds with Luthor. And Green Lantern said that Wally knows he can do that but never wanted to due to the obvious risk

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

True

Thank you! I’m glad you’re one of the few peeps to think that Archie Sonic is NOT undefeatable! Yeah yeah, Ik the vid is a few years old, but it’s still a relief.

I better get some sleep. (Sees this) Who needs sleep. (Sudden realization) Whoa, deja vu.

While my head KNEW it was going to be Wally my heart wanted it to be Sonic. B'I .... XP Great reaction video Frost! XD

This battle was insane, and a lot of fun to watch. Fun Fact: Archie Sonic’s middle Maurice was created by Ken Penders, Fan thought Maurice is Sonic’s middle name in every version including the games, but that is not true. It’s just some Archie kept for laughs.

@marloncardoso6473

3 жыл бұрын

Fun Fact: WhoIsNAL actually Voiced Archie Sonic in this Fight! who also Voiced Sonic way back in Mario Vs Sonic 2018 he,s is an amazing Voice Actress! but all of his Characters he has voiced never won a Match except for Danny vs Jake so yeah.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

@@marloncardoso6473 cool

@bersekershinobi

3 жыл бұрын

Sonic x is an anime originally in Japan there r the differences in the the original Japanese scene to the english dub plus sonic did sometimes speaking English in the original Japan voice u should check it out😊👍

@bersekershinobi

3 жыл бұрын

Intense battle awesome still flash is really called the fastest man alive for nothing👍

@catxborsuq1

3 жыл бұрын

Also if I remember correctly, in the issue his middle name was revealed it was also mentioned that "Sonic" is just his nickname, and his first name was never revealed because Sonic interrupted his dad before he could tell his friends xD

The shield on Archie protects him literally from any killing blow Flash would try to deliver, that shield has done really crazy things.

30:22 This wasn’t really Wally West vs Archie Sonic, this was Speed Force vs Chaos Force.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much

Red Hood was trained by Batman so I'm sure he has the skill advantage and maybe gear as well, but Bucky has experience and strength. As much as I want Red Hood to win, I can see it going either way.

12:37-12:50 Not anymore, Archie Sonic eventually kicked his ass single-handedly in *issue 172,* until Fiona interrupted the fight.

Can fans stop talking about it Willy West is more speed guy with the Speed Force and stuff in his own comics and more. He did use all his power but Wally use all his power with more. Thanks for the video.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

No problem

@omegaus817

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon 👍

Well, even tho Sonic lost, I am somewhat a bit surprised that the video got less dislikes despite the saltiness, I guess the Sonic fanbase matured enough to know that DC is too OP, and I gonna give Sonic credit that he is a one of a few characters that gave Wally a closest matchup and pushed him to the limit. .w.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Amen to that, as long as Archie Sonic put up a good fight that’s what matters

@ShermanYeo

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon yep.

@jewellslofton973

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon yeah

@darksonicyt5430

3 жыл бұрын

Angryflame321 Dude. Don’t press the limit button.

@ShermanYeo

3 жыл бұрын

@@darksonicyt5430 I meant Sonic pushing Wally to the Limit.

25:48-25:58 It's called the Special Zone, the Zone of Silence no longer exists, for it was transformed thanks to all the Chaos Emeralds in the universe.

Wait the archie comics were inspired by the cartoon!? I remember when I was a kid that I was watching some episodes when I only used the VHS system and I remember that the cartoon used to be on Netflix.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

It’s true, Sonic SatAM is the reason Archie Sonic was a thing, when Archie saw the SatAM pilot they used that to start off the comic to promote the show and games.

@ramsesgonzalez8618

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon wait a minute in the cartoon sonic has an uncle named chuck and the sonic underground cartoon also has him. Doesn't that mean they are connected or similar?

@loganwhitney8471

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramsesgonzalez8618 Well in the SatAM & Archie Uncle Chuck was a hedgehog, while in the Underground show he was not. Because Sonic was born a prince in Underground not in SatAM. They both share the same name, but not same form.

Let's just say....That Sonic...RAN out of luck Or... That Sonic gave Wally a RUN for his money. or.... Alright, i'll shut up now... I am rooting for Red Hood in the next death battle.

@jewellslofton973

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

I saw your new version of the super form in the thumbnail. Can't wait to see that later.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@HankSmashes

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon You are welcome!

I am really excited to see Winter Soldier vs Red Hood.

I do think you are selling Archie Sonic just a little bit short. You did get the prediction that Wally would win but Archie Sonic still had plenty of options to take Wally out himself. Like his reality warping and wish powers. If Wally has made one miscalculation or was caught off guard, he was dead. Death Battle themselves stated that this is easily their closest matchup to date. Ultra Sonic and Wally are both stated to be multiversal In power and unlimited in speed, so it came down to their hax and Wally just had a few more advantages than Sonic

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I see what you mean, and Archie Sonic is insanely strong (depending on the writers going nuts with the story) it’s just DC comic characters are insanely Op

@Rippen_Crippen

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon Oh I definitely agree! DC writers make their characters do insane things! I just that think Archie Sonic did a great job at matching DC’s OP writing style with his own. I personally didn’t think this fight was clear cut and multiple scenarios have either side winning. Wally just had a few clear advantages than Sonic. Honestly I think this does indeed go either way

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rippen_Crippen I agree Plus DC characters were never meant to be relatable to others, they were meant to be inspirational.

You’re so awesome

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you and so are you

Hey Frost, just wanted you to know that this video was great as always. Also, I have a question to ask, if you were in Sonic heroes, who would your team mates be for flying and power, since you’d be speed, and what would your team name be?

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm Atom for flight and Crush for power Atom is a robot boy Crush is a white tiger They are in my deviantart page

@aidankegel2126

3 жыл бұрын

Frost The Hobidon White Lion Sweetness! And your team name?

@loganwhitney8471

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon How about Team "Atomic White Blizzard" or just "Atomic Blizzard" sounds? Is it good or needs a little work?

archie sonic is indeed a perfect opponent for wally west!

Hello there

Wally was used for JL and JLU because he was the flash in the comics at the time. That’s also why they used Kyle Rayner for superman TAS instead of Hal Jordan

Flash be like: Stupid Fast Sonic be like: The Unmovable Object

I think if Archie Sonic were to appear again, he would probably face of against Xeno Goku from Super Dragon Ball Heroes.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds interesting to see

@mediamobster3024

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and I think Archie would take the win in that fight.

@darksonicyt5430

3 жыл бұрын

Good Saiyan Davidson We might have to wait to see if Xeno Goku will either get a new form or the opponent might be changed to CC Goku instead of Xeno Goku. But Xeno Goku makes more sense than CC Goku since Xeno Goku is a time patroller.

@metal_gear_rayquaza8914

3 жыл бұрын

They actually did face off. On Animation Rewind

@andro9966

3 жыл бұрын

I think that xeno goku is gonna fight pre crisis Superman.

Because Of Speed Force In My Series I Made A Amulet Called Chronos Pendent That Not Only Can Negate Time Effect But Also Negate Speedforce!

The DC Universe is literally broken.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Always has been

@phibbykaden

3 жыл бұрын

Comic characters in general are broken, even those with few--if any--powers. It ain't just DC. ()^_^

@snapclub8751

3 жыл бұрын

@ TheOldPMC You can say that again.

@danielwilson8604

3 жыл бұрын

literally. they have entire teams of people who's job is to make repairs and their big bang was influenced by at LEAST three separate time traveling gods

The fight was. Good, though it has a lot of problems with it. (And before you put comments saying that Archie should’ve won or give more research, or if you are gonna brag on how one character comes out on top then, don’t reply please) first off both characters got lowballed SEVERELY! And not only that but this battle lacks SO MUCH creativity. I mean, we got two speedy multiversal beings fighting at the cosmic highway, at least change the area around instead of being on the road and also on a sphere. And now, my biggest problem is the ending. The kill is cool yes, but the ending is a copy and paste of Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. *The non marvel character goes to his invincible form so the DC character time travels to where the non marvel character is in base form and kills him off there* You see what I mean? (And before I get replies saying that Wally time traveled forward and not backward doesn’t change anything, since he still uses time travel to when the opponent was back in base form.) overall, the fight was good, but it has *WAY* too many problems and a *BUNCH* of miss opportunities with this battle that would’ve made it my all time most favorite death battle in the season (heck it could’ve been better than Beerus vs Galaxia). So, that’s my opinion on it. Glad Wally won, cause not only am I sick of seeing Archie Sonic always winning fights (no. I don’t hate him) it’s *FINALLY* satisfying to see him get his first *EVER* lost in a vs battle. Also the other reason why I’m glad Wally won is because sonic started the fight over something he could not only get anywhere but also he offered it to him (Sarcasm isn’t an excuse) Yes, it’s *Kinda* in character, but trying to kill him cause he took it isn’t in character for sonic. I think.

@gracegavilan5871

3 жыл бұрын

Actually in The Cartoon Fight Club and Rewind Rumble, Archie Sonic Lost twice, One in the Reality Warpers Free for All and one with Sanic....

@darksonicyt5430

3 жыл бұрын

Grace Gavilan Rewind Rumble mentions that those weren’t official Archie Sonic adaptations in the Archie Sonic vs Xeno Goku fight.

@gracegavilan5871

3 жыл бұрын

@@darksonicyt5430 I don't think we got the same message from AR. Any Character that goes in Cartoon Fight Club or a Death Battle isn't the Official Character (and will never be as the fights they go on will never happen in their stories, cause if it was, many shows would legit end badly), and more of a Simulation of that Character. Animation Rewind said that line because the Official Archie Sonic is stated to not lose in HIS Story, not in a hypothetical Vs match where Plot Armor or Real Laws of him not allowed to lose applies. Basically saying that even with the law, Both Death Battle and Animation Rewind still has the rights to make Sonic lose a Vs debate as the Archie Sonic they use isn't the Actual one, more like a duplicate with the same powers and personality (same with all other DB/CFC/RR Contestants) The Archie Sonic we see in both Death Battle and Cartoon Fight Club are both unofficial but still has the simulated hypothetical strength of the OG. So yeahhh, when combining both DB and Cartoon Fight Club (dunno if any other vs research series made Archie lose but nvm that). This Death Battle fight is Archie Sonic's Second Loss (not counting the Sanic One anymore, cause lmao memes always over actual characters, haha funny)

I do find it interesting that this is the second time a founding member of the justice league has needed to time travel to defeat their opponent. Green Lantern VS Ben 10 The flash VS sonic

@vickerfinal

3 жыл бұрын

whats wrong with using whats in your arsenal? I mean he did try to wish him away, so its fair to time travel on him lol.

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

@@vickerfinal I'm pretty sure he said wish you gone forever meant time to erase you

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed it's like I can't beat you at your best time to time travel when you're weaker

i do love that scene from justice league like wally is like yo man finish your drink and turn yourself in ok...ok flash will do and well i had alot of the archie comics sonic but i cant find my comics which makes me sad

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@nekon_ravenfox

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon but still wally west so kind he lets his bad guys finish there drinks

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

@@nekon_ravenfox me too, it’s a good moment to see DC Hero more down to earth.

@nekon_ravenfox

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon yup also out of pure curiosity have you ever got to a point where your own frost or ice powers have slowed you down do to over using them or have you a way to keep that from happening

@nekon_ravenfox

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon also i do apologies in advance for assuming you ice or frost powers

I bet my money on the Red Hood on the next battle Frost! :D

23:57-24:05 No, he's actually gone now. Ixix Naugus does still exist in the Archie Comics, though.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I remember in the Old Timeline

I like young justice too

whoa this battle was so fast and maximum even for me

Schedule: September 17th: The Seven Vs. The Boys September 20th: winter Soldier vs. red hood

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I saw, thank you

@jonathankennedy

3 жыл бұрын

Frost The Hobidon White Lion your welcome & homelander ftw

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathankennedy yup

@jonathankennedy

3 жыл бұрын

Frost The Hobidon White Lion heehee

24:50 don't mess with the hog dog 🐶 that what he saids

Awesome reaction. And I love this fight, and I agree with the results yes Archie Sonic is OP, but Wally is OP on a whole other level of ridiculousness Archie Sonic can command fate/reality itself, Wally straight up breaks fate/reality itself multiple times.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Due to crazy ideas from Writters

@derrickhaggard

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon Yep.

@joseacassio4164

Жыл бұрын

sonic could wish that wally was a normal human and that chaos control is not physical but i still loved the fight

That is not correct! 11:53 His name *was* Julian *Kintobor* , but like Sonic, had his name changed to Ivo Robotnik. 12:58 Mobius spent a year without Sonic, but Sonic only spent a few weeks traversing outer space to back to Mobius.

you know that justice league/justice league unlimited's wally west was holding back right in all his fights except luthor brainiac

Actually, Robotnik's full real name was "Julian Kintobor of the House of Ivo", when he joined Mobians he changed it to "Ivo Robotnik".

@MrAuthor3DS

3 жыл бұрын

While in Japan, he was always known as Dr. Eggman from day one.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Julian Robotnik was Sonic SatAM The name Kintobor for started from Fleetway comic but brought to Archie In Sega of Japan aka Real Sega, he was always called Eggman Sega of America called him Robotnik before AoSTh, SatAM, and Underground

Finally!

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the wait

@sagetan1353

3 жыл бұрын

Frost The Hobidon White Lion it’s ok 👍

Do you know a good place to buy the Archie Comic sonic? I never actually was able to get a hold of any Sonic comics and the Archie comics looks like it'd be fun to read.

I'm SO glad that Wally won, just so you know.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I knew he would win, ether way I enjoyed both fighters giving it their all

@bluecrush4903

3 жыл бұрын

everyone knew that Wally would win

@alexandrapagan3222

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluecrush4903 their research bothers the freak outta me!

@cv-sy3ft

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexandrapagan3222 I agree it was onessided with sonics forms but they made Wally win. The old death battles are more accurate

Wally west punches the emerald also wally west punches sonic very hard with his speed alone.. as sonic gets erased out of exsistance.

Noohoo ! Eh oh well sonic will strike again after all he's got extra lives

Well I think the original archie sonic is thinking really time travel, what a cheap victory, meanwhile Wally is Wally is wide eyes that he had to USE that makes be to win. Also I wonder if the characters tell the others about this place?

Again wally west is too overpowered way too broken and I thought my version of Leo Splinterson was overpowered due to light fire and light aether

At this point I have trouble believing any outcome where the dc character wins because everyone knows death battle has a massive dc bias and lowballs the other character severely and also take the strengths from every version of the dc character but throw out all the weaknesses and turn them into this composite version of themselves so they can win as seen in Goku vs Superman, Ben 10 vs Green Lantern, and this match. Now you can argue that Wally and Superman would win but my point still stands plus I think most people agree that Ben should have won against Hal.

I’m sorry to say this to you but I’m happy that wally west won

Yeah, screw the Zorda!

Man I always wanted to learn more of the Sonic SatAM cartoon. If you find any episodes, let me know.

I started watching in 2015 andn ow i'm back

Do you think this is going to be live frost

Awesome video. Sonic never was unbeatable.

Frost: Julian Robotnik Me: You mean Ivo Robotnik or Julian Kintobor

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

In the Original SatAM he was originally called Julian Robotnik but due to Ken Penders he change his name to Julian Kintobot then to Ivo Robotnik. Ken Penders tries to take credit to what Ben Hurst created in SatAM.

@RealB0ssMak3r

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon Either way both stories diverge to Eggman being born

@RealB0ssMak3r

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon Either way both stories diverge to Eggman being born

Let's not forget that Sanic also bodied Archie Sonic.

Looks like Wally Out Ran Sonic badly, the Writing was Wally's Doing. I knew Wally would win.

I had DC at 18-9

Sonic lost 2 battles? Oh dear.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@gracegavilan5871

3 жыл бұрын

Atleast he's following the footsteps of the one he once copied, Goku

@darksonicyt5430

3 жыл бұрын

Grace Gavilan Well. First sonic never really “Copied” Goku. And second, sonic won at least once before, back in the 2011 Sonic vs Mario match, while Goku never won a death battle. So, he is following Batman’s footsteps.

@SuperGBros

3 жыл бұрын

@@darksonicyt5430 actually batman defeated captain America

@darksonicyt5430

3 жыл бұрын

Commander Grizzly Yes. Which is why I said he is following Batman’s footsteps. Cause Batman lost two battles and won one battle. Just like how sonic lost two battles and won one battle.

I thought video game Sonic's middle name was "the" Also how do you remember all this? Half the time I forget what day it is.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Video Game Sonic and Archie Sonic has different lives, even though Archie Sonic was inspired by Sonic SatAM cartoons. Ken Penders made up the middle name for Archie Sonic and fans think Maurice is Sonic Real name in every version because they think Ken Penders world is true. Which I is not

@kuramaninetails5362

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon that doesn't answer how you manage to remember all this.

@loganwhitney8471

3 жыл бұрын

@@kuramaninetails5362 He'd just has a very good memory

I actually drawed scourge the hedgehog as a good guy before and he was helping sonic but I guess I'm gonna have to face the facts he's a bad guy

So were you able to see the Balan Wonderland trailer? And if so, what do you think of it? And do you plan on getting Balan Wonderland?

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I heard of it

@JoshioE110

3 жыл бұрын

Frost The Hobidon White Lion Balan Wonderland is a platformer game that will be published by Square Enix and developed by Balan Company (a recently new Square Enix studio). Speaking of the latter, the company was found by former members of Sonic Team, including Yuji Naka (creator of Sonic) and character designer Naoto Ohshima. The game’s story is similar to NiGHTs and has a sense of familiarity with some games like NiGHTS (obviously), Super Mario, Sonic and A Hat In Time. Although, what’s stupid is the SEGA fan boys reaction to the game. Much like how they reacted to Nintendo saving the Bayonetta series, they did not take it well with Balan Wonderland, some saying Square ripped off NiGHTS. Yes, fan boys can be annoying, pathetic and pity.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoshioE110 I see, I’ll might have seen them

Gotta go fast

20:00-20:12 As if, Sonic always held back against that dude, during all the times they fought. Sonic knew he could stomp that douche anytime he wanted, but instead chose to hold and to try to beat him on his level.

You should react to top 20 OP characters.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I might check it put

The next episode is live action Plus I in joyed this episode but upset Sonic Lost.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds cool and I understand

@marloncardoso6473

3 жыл бұрын

@FrostTheHobidon White Lion Fun Fact: NicholasAndrewLouie other wise as WhoisNAL on Twitter was the voice of Archie Sonic in this fight he,s the Same Guy who Voiced Sonic in Mario Vs Sonic 2018.

You should react to hulk vs saitama (or not if you did react)

A big race battle now they need to hold on because my story is going to be one part at a time and this race is going to be epic and I already chose our special guest here so I like to see red hood win and I'm not a fan of that guy because he's too easy to get captured on captain America sidekick

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Right

@moonstonesilverdiamondteam1782

3 жыл бұрын

X)

Hey just to let you know cartoonbeatbox battle droped sonic vs blackpanther video

G'day Mates Name's Eli J Martinez my Request 4 Frost is please react to Nostalgia critic the jungle book (2016) review

Hi

4:19

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

That sound was weird I know, something in the background mess it up

Winter soldier kill red hood

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I saw

Trust DC's bullshit to outbullshit the bullshit of Archie's Sonic comics. Although, I might be biased, but Sonic's bullshit make more sense to me... I mean, it's called CHAOS Force, "Chaos" kinda seems more reality-bending than "Speed".

Can you react to nostalgia critic superman returns

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Sure thing

Sorry i'm late to the reaction Frost

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

Your good

Yeah for me this was the final straw because this one was debunked. 1 of the reason is Archie could travel to time to so their is no reason Archie couldn't stay their. 2. From what I've heard Chaos energy isn't physical. 3. HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT SUPER AND ULTRA HAVE A TIME LIMIT. 4. THIS IS SOMETHING I HEARD FROM ONE OF THE DEBUNKED VIDEOS THAT WALLY BEAT SUPERMAN, BUT HE WON BECAUSE SUPERMAN WAS A VAMPIRE AND HE USED WOOD AGAINST HIM. SO YEAH THE MARIO REMATCH PO MEAN WHEN I FOUND OUT IT WAS DEBUNKED AND NOW THIS THIS IS THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL BACK. Also they said it was snow no it wasn't it came from where Archie landed

@rylharris4514

3 жыл бұрын

Dimension Duelist they already explained why sonic super form has anime limit its all in the TNT and its not wrong

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

@@rylharris4514 Look at the debunked videos and you'll see their are other problems to this battle

@gracegavilan5871

3 жыл бұрын

1. Archie Sonic could travel through Time but he doesn't have the experience nor the luxury of travelling through time with images like Wally, even if he tried to Chaos Control Wally back, Wally could just phase through the attack physical or not. Also even if Sonic could follow flash through the time stream, Flash could always steal Speed from Sonic making him overall faster in a sense. Giving him the chance to kill Past/Future Sonic faster than Sonic can kill Past/Future Wally 2. It ain't lmao, it could be physical but it also can't be. Death Battle kinda screwed up in that case 3. He doesn't need to know about the time limit, in truth if Super/Ultra Sonic and Flash were to fight, it'd last for days. Super/Ultra's only issue is that it lasts way less than Flash's stamina, and because Flash could constantly steal Speed from Sonic, he could always just keep on running away from Sonic for days until his invincible forms run out and then Wally beats Sonic. 4. That fight doesn't matter in this debate at all. Flash beating Superman may be odd but him Outrunning Fate, Reality, Destiny and Instant is true. Beating Superman isn't the reason why he wins.

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

@@gracegavilan5871 1. That Chaos control isn't a physical attack so he should be effected. 3. In one of their death battle they said we use the characters at their max. So tell me if Walley had never seen Sonic and Archie cought him before the final blow how would Walley win. 4. YES IT DOES MATTER SPEED DOESN'T MATCH STRICKING POWER. AND ARCHIE HAD FACE DEMI GODS ON HIS OWN ( MOSTLY). WHILE FLASH HAD FACE THEM WITH HELP. AND ALSO THE CHAOS WISH SHOULD HAVE ENDED IT THERE

@danielwilson8604

3 жыл бұрын

@@dimensionduelist4149 they already explained the time travel thing. wally can see through time, sonic can't. and even without it, wally's own invincibility modes would definitely outlast sonics, as wally could fight at max strength for days while sonic was limited to hours and he could easily rrecover from anything sonic could do. and no, the 'chaos wish' doesn't stack up to doctor manhattan's powers, and even without it all flashes have a continuous 'lightning rod' which grounds them in their specific reality. since they need to use it continuously to exist at all, sonic's wish was no more dangerous to him than using his powers in the first place. and wally's breaking of the anti-monitors armour was accomplished solo. debunks aren't always very reliable.

so because he tricked death into *running itself into nonexistence* , he can overpower an embodiment of chaos and *defy fate* ?! that's like saying if i killed someone twice my size by pushing them into lava, i can body someone of similar stature on my own; nah fam i can't buy that!

@javiereduardocarrillocastr6826

3 жыл бұрын

The whole point was that Wally, like any other speedster, was FATED to die at it's hands. He didn't just beat a really strong guy, he beat the concept of death for speedsters. He did it by outsmarting it and bending reality to his favor.

@sirduke0128

3 жыл бұрын

@@javiereduardocarrillocastr6826 okay, i get that; but my point is that these are 2 very different forms of fate defiance, and the one they use as an example doesn't exactly equate to the one in the death battle. Think of it this way: *you* went back to the past and changed events to prevent your friends and family from dying at a certain point, by doing so you have effectively defied that fate; but that's a far cry from being able to physically outmatch the personification of a concept. Wally's "killing death" feat does defy fate, but only as a result of changing certain events; not overpowering death itself. Sonic on the other hand, literally controls fate itself; be it subconsciously through his billionth ring aura, or physically through chaos control. The latter of which does not only manifest as physical energy as death battle claimed. Both can alter fate, but "how" they go about doing it is the key difference. Wally may have outrun death long enough to trick it into entropy, but that's not the same as decking the embodiment of chaos in the shnoz.

@javiereduardocarrillocastr6826

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirduke0128 The point was, Wally was fated to die against Black Flash, basically that no matter what he tried, he should have failed and died, but that didn't happen. Wally did what no other speedster should have never been supposed to do. The thing about Sonic being an embodiment of Chaos and his ability to bend fate is that they're very vague and hasn't stopped other people from beating or even killing Sonic (like Mephiles, because Sonic 06 happened in Archie), and is very unlikely it would have helped him against someone who was: 1- Faster. 2- More experienced. 3- On par in power to his most powerful states. 4- Resistant to many of his abilities. 5- Had many ways to get around his supposed invincibility. Not to mention that many of the things Sonic could do, Wally could too but better. Sonic has admited vibrating through objects can be dangerous for him, while Wally does it in a regular basis with far more versatility, and in the worst scenario it just tears appart what he's phasing through without harming himself. Sonic travels blindly through time, while the Speed Force allows Wally to know exactly where he's going. Sonic could vanish him to the Zone of Silence (if it still existed), but it takes days for it's effects to take place, while Wally not only can easily travel through dimensions, he can do the same thing using the Speed Force, which is a higher reality and it's effects are far more instantaneous.

@danielwilson8604

3 жыл бұрын

he's defired fate a number of times before. remember, the speed force has overturned all of dc history on multiple occasions

@sirduke0128

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielwilson8604 that may be true but it's not the same as actually having fate manipulation as a power.

My name is MONEYMAN22 and I am the slowest man alive. :(

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

That was unexpected

@moneyman2256

3 жыл бұрын

@Frost The Hobidon White Lion never expect the expected (Also thanks for the heart.)

Speed...is op.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

To these two, Speed is nothing to them

They downplayed Archie Sonic so fuckin hard LMAO

It kind of feels like Death Battle is favoring DC Comics this year with all these wins.

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of people do, but DC has been around and has pull some insane feats that overpowers the others

@elementaliguana5880

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon Maybe but this winning streak won't last It's only a matter of time.

@danielwilson8604

3 жыл бұрын

@@elementaliguana5880 they've admitted they're actually trying to get dc killed. they were serious when they said they thought sonic would win this

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda one example would be green Lantern vs Ben 10

@danielwilson8604

3 жыл бұрын

@@dimensionduelist4149 which could have been explained better. at least they got the right result

but wuthout the hentai aliens you wouldnt be a furry with cool powers

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought it was animals reaching the next stage of evolution with chaos energy

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t follow the Aliens creatures, that was a Ken Penders idea for Archie it was weird. Sega of Japan keep it separate from Archie’s take

@mixellaneous1298

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon probs because they dont wanna bring in their underpopulation crisis into a childrens book series

Am I the only one who feels DB favors DC a little too much? I mean, I know the DC Universe is insane and mostly non-relatable plus I somewhat agree with the outcome, but I sometimes feel they overestimate the DC heroes a bit too much. Oh well, next time we’ll get the 2nd ever live-action DB!! Made by the same people who did the first live-action DB, ISMAHAWK

@FrostTheHobidon

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not that they favor DC it’s just DC was insanely strong from their story and DB has to got with what they have

@rylharris4514

3 жыл бұрын

Deathbattle already explain they are not biased towards DC and Ben wanted Archie to win in the first place

@jewellslofton973

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostTheHobidon yeah

@jewellslofton973

3 жыл бұрын

@@rylharris4514 right

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

Looks at Green lantern vs Ben 10

Well if I know one thing about these two at the end of the fight is that these fellas are the embodiments of reality busting nonsense. Also after the season 9 opening I now want to see one of the Flash heroes get the L.

they actually got some of the research wrong and Archie Sonic actually wins

@rylharris4514

3 жыл бұрын

The Orange Diamond oh pls watch their Q and A they already explained anything

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

@@rylharris4514 I saw that and it only answered half of my question the Archie wish and also HOW IN THE WORLD DID WALLEY NOT FALL BECAUSE CHAOS FORCE ISN'T PHYSICAL IN ATTACKS. So yeah Archie should have one. This is on par as Mario vs Sonic rematch which downplayed Sonic

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

Also I forgot to mention this but after the q and a FALCON PUNCH

@danielwilson8604

3 жыл бұрын

@@dimensionduelist4149 dr manhattan's powers also aren't physical, and Wally's lightning rod kept him alive through that.

@dimensionduelist4149

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielwilson8604 Yeah but he didn't use it hear so Archie should have won

Its the worst Death Battle episode I ever saw they never make DC lose to anyone other than Marvel characters and they barely give Sonic characters any wins. Screw DC

@trueflash4696

3 жыл бұрын

You can’t blame dc for making op characters

@sonicbendykid7112

3 жыл бұрын

@@trueflash4696 I swear if another DC vs Non Marvel episode happens and DC wins again I am going to unsubscribe and will be done with Death Battle.