Tethys is S tier cause she makes seth move again, big brain 🧠

@summerwinter89

5 ай бұрын

frfr

@LoudWaffle

4 ай бұрын

unironically yes though

@zaarongaming8174

3 ай бұрын

Amelia is S tier because she gives Seth a speedwing

@dragocrafterr8286

2 ай бұрын

Sethys…

Because you get him so early, it’s hard to unintentionally get a bad ross. He either gets good or he dies.

@Sasuke1948

Ай бұрын

Lmao you have just described all my experiences with ross

@rdrrr

Ай бұрын

It's pretty easy to feed him XP safely with the Hatchet, too. You can get him promoted by the start of Chapter 6 without slowing down your gameplay. Chapter 5 if you don't mind slowing things down a little. I think he should be C rank because he can promote to Pirate and water-walking is pretty useful. Lets you speed up Chapter 7, also very handy on Ch9!Eirika and Ch10!Ephraim.

@TimothyStuder

27 күн бұрын

​@@rdrrrWait there are people who don't have a pirate Ross by the end of the following chapter? I abuse those walls right to level 10.

@KieraQ0323

22 күн бұрын

@@TimothyStuder it takes too long. Ross gotta sink or swim because Franz doesn't deserve to have to wait that long for him

@TimothyStuder

22 күн бұрын

@@KieraQ0323 Ross is better than Franz by the end of Bandits of Borgo though

I saw it in a page once that a seth solo is easier than finishing scared stone normally

@boomskipow1363

Ай бұрын

Just finished for the first time a few days ago and took Ephraim route. Currently doing Seth solo to test that theory. I’m at chapter 12 and it’s not even close. Throw 95% of the Exp and your buff items at Seth and this games an absolute breeze.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

22 күн бұрын

I'd say the easiest playthrough is 90% Seth Solo, featuring Myrrh and maybe like, Saleh or someone else to help Myrrh level for a map or two. Or just feed her some delicious eggs. Seth is strong, but dracozombies are no joke, and while Fomortiis IS a joke, he's a very chunky one that can be hard to solo unless Myrrh sneezes on him for like 150+ damage.

My reason to use Gilliam is that he's hotter than most of the cast of Sacred Stones

@Direblade11

Ай бұрын

Gilliam is honestly pretty fun as a heavy cav. Used him with Kyle as the same class and they looked basically the same

Yet another soul tainted by Amelia SLANDER AND FEAR. Paladin Amelia has a ponytail in the attack animation so anything else is irrelevant.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

22 күн бұрын

And yet Armor Knight Amelia fits into the proud tradition of horrible female armor units. She is enshrined with the likes of Wendy, Meg, and Armor Mercedes

@obiwancannoli1920

4 күн бұрын

Ok but Super Recruit Amelia is really funny

Duuuude, the animations! The whole formatting and editing. Absolutely awesome.

Honestly what they should of do is have Marisa comes as a lv1 swordmaster, this makes it difficult to recruit without casualty but rewarding especially with hard mode bonus.

@LoudWaffle

4 ай бұрын

And fits her reputation. And makes her not redundant by being literally worse than Joshua in every single way possible, including joining several chapters later than him.

@rdrrr

Ай бұрын

@@LoudWaffle FE8 has so few prepromotes; Innes, Dozla, Saleh, Duessel, Syrene. Syrene comes so late she's useless. Innes is a decent filler unit that can plink fliers and use the S-rank bow without much investment. Duessel and Saleh are the shit. Dozla is pretty bad. I'm not counting Seth because Seth is an M1A1 Abrams disguised as a prepromoted Paladin and I'm not counting Rennac because his combat sucks, he's more of a utility unit. I'd be tempted to turn Marisa into a Sedgar/Wolf type character; prepromote with blech bases but absolutely cracked growths.

@LoudWaffle

Ай бұрын

@@rdrrr almost had a rage-induced heart attack because I misread you, thought you said Duessel and Saleh are shit, not THE shit. 😅

@rdrrr

Ай бұрын

@@LoudWaffle Hah! That's what I get for vomiting forth words without considering readability. Duessel singlehandedly clutched the Phantom Ship for me. He's a real one - and a prime candidate for Garm, which fixes his only real issue.

@LoudWaffle

Ай бұрын

@@rdrrr Yeah Duessel's great, the phantom ship is already brutal and I can't imagine how hated it would be if the game didn't give you him immediately before it.

I certainly didn't expect a minor German river to come up in a Fire Emblem tier list, but here we are.

Regardin Neimi, theres this very fun run on KZread about beating FE8 without taking damage. In that run Neimi is the key due to her absurd dodge (with right investment and supports). This makes me think her role is to be dodge tank. This i guess proves dodge tanks arent very realiable since she often lands on bottom of tier lists lol.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

There are a lot of ways to beat fe8 without taking damage, and Neimi is certainly not the best way. Dogdge tanks can be pretty darn good, but neimi sucks right up until the moment you promote her into a mounted unit, and even then is outclassed by half the cast.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

22 күн бұрын

The problem with dodgetanks is that they're great until they suddenly aren't. They COULD dodge for the entire map, or they could die in two hits, and the truth is often somewhere between. Also Neimi has more problems than this, namely being unable to reliably counter in the game where swarms of zombies with theoretical stats need to be dealt with quickly. Neimi can kill 1, when even like Garcia could kill 10

Since you are looking for recommendations I'll offer one. FE8 tier list. But with a focus on the Creature Campaign and specifically finishing the Lagdou ruins 3 times. Do you make any changes?

3:53 As someone who's been playing through FE7 grinding supports, that entire ass Lyn comparison made me cry, due to how accurate it was.

Like the list but I feel that L'arachel was done a bit dirty here. I would be hard pressed to put ANY staff user in F tier, especially a mounted one. Yes her availability is the worst of all healers, but having extra movement on a healer is just super useful. Is she better than a bishop? Absolutely not, but she does have value as a highly mobile staff bot

@BlootGoose

3 ай бұрын

In a harder game, I could absolutely see her being useful, but there's a ton of factors that just ultimately make her kinda pointless as a unit. . You generally don't need 2 healers in SS since the game is pretty easy. . By the time you recruit her, someone like Artur or Lute will probably either be promoted or very close to promotion, meaning she's competing for a deployment slot with someone who can heal AND participate in combat. . She's Level 3, regardless of the route, meaning she's going to take around 60-70 heals before she can do anything other than heal, at which point the game will probably be over. . Troubadour also got nerfed from FE7 to FE8 and has one less movement, meaning that the difference in movement between L'Arachel and someone like Moulder is literally just one point of move, which will be completely equalized by the time Moulder promotes, which will also probably be before L'Arachel joins. Maybe F Tier is a little harsh but she probably wouldn't be higher than E Tier IMO. She just has too many downsides and doesn't really belong. I will say that her bases and growths are actually pretty good for a healer, so if you're doing postgame stuff, she's probably pretty good there. Edit: OH GOD HER STARTING STAFF RANK IS D, I THOUGHT IT WAS C RANK. SHE'S EVEN WORSE THAN I THOUGHT.

@allan4172

3 ай бұрын

@@BlootGoose you know, thats fair, forgot that when I play SS its with 20% boosted enemy growth rates so she almost always found a use.

@Cashmoneez

16 күн бұрын

I agree your main staff user doesn’t really have to have amazing stats. Everytime I get to rennac ch I always just sub in l’arachel for molder and she’s pretty much just doing what I expect mounded to so i imagine if you want to invest in her even though you get her late it’s not that hard for her to be useful.

I click FE8 tier list, I scroll through my faves, I hear "Garcia is one of my favorite units" and you putting him at a respectable tier for his early game prowess. Thank you, you made my night.

My argument for Marissa: She makes up 1/3rd of the purple hair waifu trinity, alongside Lute and Neimi.

@blackdragoncyrus

4 ай бұрын

What about Marisa?

@jacksonhorrocks4281

4 ай бұрын

​@@blackdragoncyruslol

@the_beans_man1524

4 ай бұрын

Marisa's hair is debatably pink Neimi's is definitely pink

@VaporeonEnjoyer1

3 ай бұрын

@@the_beans_man1524 Neimi to me looks more magenta to me, which is closer to purple than pink. Marissa I don't see how you see purple, maybe one of us of color blind. She has purple hair in SS, gets a more pink tone in FEH but I still maintain it's more purple, and in the FEH Spring Artwork, that's when she was depicted as pink.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

Actually, pink is a very poorly defined color. All three of them def have purple hair, which may or may not mean they have pink hair, since more than half of the colors that get called pink are actually purple.

P sure Rennac drops the member card if you kill him. So saying it’s 10,000 gold for the member card is actually just wasting money. 😂

Personally, I Love Gilliam. He looks cool and has always treated me right.have had several "blessed" Gilliam playthroughs. But I understand why people rate him (and other Armor Knights) so low on their tierlists.

40:46 can someone PLEASE tell me the name of the song that plays here I’ve been looking for it for months

@BlootGoose

5 ай бұрын

I'll just leave the whole music list here for future reference. 0:00 Outset Island (Wind Waker) 5:19 Streets of Rabanastre (Final Fantasy XII) 11:55 Giza Plains (Final Fantasy XII) 18:12 Besaid Island (Final Fantasy X) 22:32 Spira Unplugged (Final Fantasy X) 25:05 The Ark of Dawn (Fire Emblem: Echoes) 31:29 Road Taken (Fire Emblem: Fates) 38:09 Faraway Holy Land (Fire Emblem: Engage) Likely the one the original commenter was looking for. 44:46 Conquest (Fire Emblem: Awakening) 51:35 Echoes of Daybreak (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) 58:35 The First Fight (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance) 1:05:07 Trial of the Sacred (Fire Emblem: Engage) Hope this helps.

I'm finishing a run where my Eirika promoted at level 20 with 17 strength and no energy rings. I think the first str point she missed was at level 10. I couldn't believe my eyes, she just didn't stop. And Ephraim was still stronger lol

Dude, this is such an amazing video. You’ve earned a sub and likes Even if I didn’t agree with some of your rankings, you made some pretty compelling arguments. Could we get fire emblem fates someday?

Neimi is easier to use than Wil & has a better promotion than most archers in Ranger

L’Arachel slander!

I just love this channel

I like the list. FE8 is one of favourite games of all time and I played it so many times. Neimi and Ross will always be a staple of my team, no matter how bad they seem to be I will go out of my way to train them anyways

Fun fact: base Gilliam rescuing anyone has 1 Speed, which is good enough to get doubled by boats in chapter 10 ephraim route. Great cursed way to get a secret book. Also “hot take” (not really): Fly utility Vanessa > actually trying to fight anything with her.

I wish somebody counts how many times this guy has said "fuck", i'm curious

The funny thing is that, if i remember correctly, natasha also has a worse starting staff rank than moulder even though she joins later

I turned my franz into great knight, is that a good idea?

My gillium got rng blessed in my most recent run became a absolute unit was doubling most units as a general and had the most res in my army

The funniest thing about Ephraim vs Eirika is that not only Ephraim has better bases, growths and weapons than Eirika, EVEN HIS PROMOTION BONUSES ARE BETTER

@gamermanzeake

15 күн бұрын

Which is the correct and only way.

I'm glad you recognized that Artur is a precious boy.

I'm so glad you mentioned you weren't considering any form of grinding whatsoever at the beginning. I feel like SS was built around the idea of being able to grind and experiment. So many units people consider "bad" I've ALWAYS felt were my best units in all my playthroughs. Primarily due to the fact that I leaned into the grind. I usually do in games that give me the ability to.

One time, I went full meme tier and grinded Emilia to be a General with S rank swords. Never doing that again and so not worth it, but it was at least funny.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

Even making her a paldin is hard to justify. She kinda just sucks until you promote her, and only then she starts to catch up.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

But paladin amelia > paladin forde.

The problem with pirce is that it is level based, so, 1% chance when you promote. Generelly I'd say crit boost is better as you probably do more damage with a crit than with pirce, but it is fun to have it, and the class is good.

@Seloliva1015

2 ай бұрын

A lot of people like using 2 healers and using Larachele! I do, she levels up pretty fast if you use her

Gatrie in Radiant Dawn is still the best armour knight in the series because of 60% speed growth

I do think arthur and lute are just a little underrated I think they are so crucial as usually your only magic users for most of the game. Cavs rule the early game, fliers are the gods of late game but they are so good in the midgame. They're usually to fast to ever get doubled so they can always take a hit. Lute especially as a mage knight is a great mobile healer and you get excaliber pretty early to oneshot fast enemies. They also have a very useful support with each other who arthur especially benefits a lot from.

I surprisingly agree with most of these placements. L'aRachel is perhaps the only character I wouldn't have tierd as you did. Not great of course, but staff utility is always useful. Unfortunately, I think it's largely a romanticized opinion that you don't need staves in Sacred Stones, or don't need as many. Hard mode FE8 will still damage even Seth. Granted, it's obviously not the hardest game in the series, of course. But staves are still good. I do agree that it is heavily annoying that her level is bad, and that she joins so late being an important member of the game's story roster.

I didn't have Franz when i played it, but I also had a really good Erika (stil frail but one shots most things) you need strentgh growths

Its so weird that Amelia is by far my most favourite unit despite her being bad, and I think the only reason why I loved her was because i got insanely lucky on her speed growth and seeing a general double somewhat consistently was mindblowing to me

@Dokuroowl

23 күн бұрын

Amelia is not bad at all, just if you are lazy with training, once you manage to raise her to level 10 and promote her to the category of your choice, she tends to rival or be better than other equal units even if she is at level 1

@nicholas7525

8 күн бұрын

@@Dokuroowlno lol. She’s so bad as a trainee and not even much better than Seth at 10/20/20

I remember playing a sacred stones hack called Sacred Stones Master Quest and the maker made L'Arachel a bishop. Way better.

@jeremycurley4625

21 күн бұрын

I think If valkyries got slayer in general she would be better and anyone who can promote to valkyrie (tho I think she's the only one who can)

Enjoyed the video. My only nitpick is that you seem to be somewhat underrating pure combat units like Gerik and Ephraim. The best utility is death, and units that can reliably kill everything and anything make any other aspect of the game more or less moot IMO.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

22 күн бұрын

This is Sacred Stones. The only thing holding Neimi back from killing everything is that she needs to promote first. Combat utility is such a given in this game that pointing out a character has it is up there with pointing out their wacky hair in a fire emblem game, or suggesting that perhaps the king of the invading nation MIGHT be a little possessed or enchanted. Beguiled, perhaps. Franz can kill everything in the game just fine. The fact that his bars are perhaps slightly smaller in some areas is mostly just trivia, because the result is still everything is dead. Whether a unit reaches -2 HP or -16 isn't important. There's like, 3 actually threatening enemies in the game; Morva, and the two Dracozombies in the last map. Those are like, the ONLY things in the entire game that present something in the vein of a stat check... and you have like a dozen ways to deal seven gorillion damage to them, so even that barely matters so long as you have one or two units with an S rank by literally the last two maps of the game, which can be fliers and cavs just as well as anyone else. This is a valid point for many other FE games, just, kinda not Sacred Stones. Nothing in Sacred Stones actually asks for strong combat units, the combat of utility units is just fine.

The Ross hate is crazy. He's arguably my best character as a Berzerker lol

Wow forde the caviliar in the entire FE universe is A tier for you

Syrene always dies in her join chapter for me lol. Good take on Syrene. Also, Dozla is S tier in my heart.

Never forget, play with the unity you like, not with unity who are op.

Colm is a weird unit in my experience. Hes not good mechanically but every time i play he dodges like crazy and ends up over leveled. Ironically in most of the situations id use gilliam for kill set ups and blocking id use him.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

He absolutely carried me through phantom ship in my first playthrough.

a case for ewan. make him go to the arena which gives you both cash and healer xp. E tier

"Seth is probably the strongest starting paladin of all time" Sigurd: "I'm gonna throw some dirt in your eye"

F is for fun tier yeah, L'Arachel is busted if she actually levels, but it obviously takes Valni maps to do so

The only argument I can make for Marisa being good is if you want a sword-locked in your roster, and you just lost Joshua. Other than that, no other reason to use her aside from being cute and cool.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

I feel like Colm, Rennac, or unpromoted Gerik would be better picks for that.

@coldeed

Ай бұрын

Using Joshua tho is already a bad idea because he's pretty much a trained Erika you don't have to take, or a slightly stronger colm with no theif utility that never gets better from promotion, that's still a worse sword unit in combat than Garcia with promo or base Gerik. He's like bizzarro Neimi, where she sucks at base but gets significant boons involving everything other than her start and improves like crazy to give larger returns on what's invested to her at the minimum consequence.

@KieraQ0323

Ай бұрын

Neimi basically has merc growths. They're not super good, just better than you would expect a crappy archer to have.

@coldeed

Ай бұрын

@@KieraQ0323 and a mount, 2 range, better promo gains, an exclusive promo item with no competition. Joshua is a meme centered around the idea that you need a strong sword locked foot soldier. Anything Joshua can do well is better invested in the theif or Erika, and at best he has a minor role on a handleful of maps. Use him if you like him, but he's one of the worst units in terms of flexibility and utility that's pretty middling as a jobber.

Tana's 10% Strength growth advantage over Vanessa is really not a big deal. That's an average of 1 extra point of Strength every 10 levels, and since this list is no-grinding Tana is getting maybe 20 levels tops. Of course, you can use 2 fliers - hell, you should, fliers are great - but there's only 2 Elysian whips and Cormag is the better candidate for the second one. Even on Eirika route, Cormag is better than Tana; he comes a bit later but requires zero investment to kick everyone's ass. Just promote him to Wyvern Knight and boom, Seth on a wyvern.

Natasha is solid in Bishop if your Moulder dies or has awful level ups

The gap between Artur and Lute should be at least a full tier since he gets c staves on promotion and stuff like him joining at the start of the map as well as being 1 level higher with better bases is kind of a big deal Also I’m not defending Neimi since the Orion’s bolt gets sold anyway but you can easily get it by just having Seth make a bee line to the boss

@LoudWaffle

4 ай бұрын

There’s also a strat that just involves picking up Joshua with Vanessa and flying him over to the villagers by going along the bottom of the map - meanwhile the rest of your units fight in the middle like usual. Once he gets dropped off in the mountains he really is able to handle the spiders easily because of the huge dodge bonus.

@coldeed

Ай бұрын

Staff rank is easy to train. Really easy to train, and really unimpactful because of how much time to have before you need to hit higher ranks.

Swordlocked units in SS offset their weapon class with how easy it is to get a few rune blades from the tower to get 1-2 range. But for people who strictly never touch the tower, I see how annoying it is that swords dont gave 1-2 range, (seriously, need to make a hack with 1-2 dagger and knives for swords and make them common like javelins and handaxes).

are those the granblue ranks

@BlootGoose

4 ай бұрын

A likely story, me stealing the letter grades from Granblue Fantasy Versus (yes I did please don't tell anyone)

Lute should be at the end of B Tier. She's one of only 2 characters in the tier who require a lot of babying. Tana is the other, but she's a valuable high LCK flier, whereas Lute can easily be replaced by Saleh, who requires no investment to get going. Natasha should also be in C Tier by virtue of her role. While Moulder is better, Natasha joins early enough where you could make her your main healer without significantly holding yourself back. An early game healer is definitely in a league above a trainee, a barely playable character and a late game lockpicker. If a replaceable lockpicker and lackluster attacker like Colm is in C, then a secondary character who can play a more important role ought to be in this tier as well.

nahhh my boy ross got done dirty

@TimothyStuder

27 күн бұрын

Ross has never been short of S tier in any of my runs.

@Cashmoneez

16 күн бұрын

ross suck my guy you can literally spoonfeed him everything and garcia will still probably be better every straight play through unless you are using the tower to farm or smth

@15690asdfg

16 күн бұрын

@@Cashmoneez if ross sucks how come he carried my ass

franz really should be c tier at best, too many people say early cav instant a tier but he is just so mid, give him 2 levels at most if he doesnt proc speed twice in those 2 levels he will be dead weight from start to finish. youre better giving that xp to seth than to franz. not to mention you get forde kyle and ephraim who get an entire map with a ton of exp uncontested where franz hard contests vanessa for xp. use him as a body wall to chip for artur or lute and then drop him.

@coldeed

Ай бұрын

Franz is the best investment jobber in the game, that easily becomes a 2nd Seth or better typically during mid game.

Oh the music tho....

Ok im definitely bias but i love Garcia as a unit, is stats arealright and lvling is not too bad and im weird cause i love the warrior class and i always get him to 12 to 15 lvl range when i get gerik i use the hero crest on Garcia and make him a monster warrior that kinda kills most of the bosses for me. Im weird but i love my man Garcia gang!

Ephraim B tier this is madness!

Great video. I agree, Artur is a bit overrated. Wouldn’t mind seeing this for other FE games.

Myrrh is a combined Est/Gotoh. They wanted to give a strong boss killer, but not as strong as Athos and like Nasir

From the* Seth to the Worst sounds like a punnier title to me

Learning that i didnt know how to play FE and didn't know how to value units. I hate flyers and love generals and sword users.

Hey Bloogoose! Just so you know, you can bypass Rennac's 10 000 Gold paid recruitment by talking to him with L'arachel instead of either lord. Now I know deploying L'arachel isn't much better but heh, at least if you don't want to pay, you don't have to

@lspuria8440

5 ай бұрын

54:45 I feel like you just did not hear this part lol.

Your forgot best boy moulders most redeeming quality, that sweet 'stache

No Seth No Game

Seth to Worst 😂😂

This tierlist is actually pretty damn good. Far above average for youtuber FE tierlists.

This is harsh 😅 I'm playing FE8 for the first time and I'm rolling with all 3 trainees rn. Going for Berserker, Paladin, and Summoner respectively. Then again, I'm playing on normal and I'm grinding them with the monster skirmishes and the tower. I realize it lessens the challenge but I like level up dopamine hits 🤷‍♂️😅

@BlootGoose

Ай бұрын

Dope! I talk about how weak the trainees are overall, but that doesn't mean they aren't super fun to use, and using the units that you like the most is ultimately the most important feature of Fire Emblem. I still do tons of FE runs where I play on lower difficulties and just mess around with a bunch of different units to experiment. I don't wanna sound condescending or anything, but don't interpret this video as me saying there's only one way to enjoy Fire Emblem, because I literally think the exact opposite. There is absolutely no wrong way to play Fire Emblem. Sorry for the essay, I just like seeing comments like this. Hope you enjoy your first playthrough!

@JUnit41484

Ай бұрын

@@BlootGoose all good bro, you didn't come off condescending at all. Honestly I'm shocked to see how much KZread content there is for these 20 year old games 😅

Artur is way better than Lute, not only does he get slayer he gets free C Rank staves, this means that most of the time he will be able to reach warp, with higher warp range than moulder, Artur is a great candidate for early promotion, his stats are fine enough to get him by until promotion, and once he promotes he becomes a really good utility unit and destroys any monster enemies with minimal effort, In comparison, mage knight lute will probably come later than Artur since early promotion can hurt her potential and also she starts doubling later and for all your troubles you get 1 extra mov and canto over Artur when he gets free kills on any monster and good staff utility, for much less effort, if you're playing eirika route lute is way more screwed because she will have to get a ton of exp to come even close to Saleh's stats by the time he joins, and he comes with C staff rank, which is the barrier rank so the rest of the grind will be way easier

Gilliam as a general is stupid ez node tbh. Especially if you give him the boots that increase his movement. He's my favorite unit to use. I honestly don't know why people think he's a bad unit.

@nicholas7525

8 күн бұрын

His speed is awful and he can only use lances when most enemies early game use axes.

Ross is always getting shafted and put in lower tiers. Berserker Ross is pretty much a monster that hits hard, doubles, and is beefy. The contention always comes in because he's a trainee so "he's stealing xp". The reality is that if you sacrifice 1.5 maps he becomes a Pirate and is comparable to the rest of your squad (if not slightly better). The issue is the 1-1.5 maps. While I get that that "sounds" like a lot on paper, it's really not. His growths are so much higher than everyone else that he hits Lvl10 before you meet Arthur while anyone else put in the exact same position will raise up 2 levels at most. A level 7 Garcia isn't that much better than a level 5 Garcia. If you're using any other combination outside of Sole Seth (Vanessa + Franz + Moulder) the growth shared is even less impressive. Even an SS run isn't netting you much more than just having Seth kill the two bosses. My ultimate point is Ross is objectively better than Garcia. The idea that he's not useful until map 5 or 6 is just not true. Similarly, Garcia's growths are so slow you're better off feeding kills to pretty much any character anyway

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

I think the problem is more feeding him kills while keeping him alive. If Ross survives he’s a beast, but why bother when you can just kill him off and use Seth?

@Cashmoneez

16 күн бұрын

Its always hard to justify even bringing ross tho if you are trying to play the game efficiently

Flier utility is not worth more than killing units. She needs help to do anything. You would have to assume that she is always going to have a unit she carries around that will get the kills and if that's the case can you really attribute the usefulness to vanessa or the unit she is carrying around. She's also the worst flier you get in the game (besides serena who's so bad she might as well not exist). Sure the others come later but their stats when you get them are worse than vanessa's at that given level. And there are way better uses for the energy rings in fe 8 for characters that only need a few more points in strength to hold their own vice vanessa who if you're extremely lucky might hold her own in a fight. Also how can you say why invest in Gilliam when he cannot kill things when the only way vanessa can kill things is if you invest in her. Don't get me wrong Gilliam is god awful he isn't worth investing in but vanessa is the same way.

@nicholas7525

8 күн бұрын

Vanessa promoted to wyvern is a phenomenal combat unit along with having the best mobility in the cast (along with other fliers)

Interesting, Forde is always my best cav. Kyle and Franz get RNG screwed on speed/strength respectively about half the time for me. I've never done a playthrough where Forde was bad. Also, Orson over Gilliam and Amelia is wild. Gilliam is trash, but he's available the whole game. Amelia is a free speedwing. Orson is around for one chapter and is just an exp black hole; he's basically a troll character. Definitely F tier.

I definitely disagree with Amelia and Ewan. If you put a tiny bit of work in ewan and Amelia they will grow so incredible. My Amelia max capped three stats in her last class. Ewan as a just promoted 3rd class unit already has 13 defense as a mage. Wtf. At level 4 in his lastt class he maxed out his magic stat. And it kept on growing like this. I’m sorry. Both are very much S tier. Just because they don’t murder right when they start does not mean they are bad lmao.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

A tiny bit of work is what you have to do for ross. You have to do a significant amount of work for amelia because she’s pathetically weak at base compared to the enemies. Ross can finish off enemies fine when you get him, but Amelia does like 2 damage to the weakest enemies in her recruitment chapter. (I use Amelia fairly often, mainly because I hate Forde.) Ewan just comes too late to be worth using. Sure, you could grind him up to be pretty darn good, but you could also just use a different spellcaster instead for a third the amount of work and the same results.

@thiagoxavier6737

2 ай бұрын

​@@KieraQ0323 here's the thing, ross needs NO WORK, Amelia needs a tiny bit, Ewan needs a good bit, its not that hard to train a trainee, people just really hate to just....train things and get results

@thiagoxavier6737

2 ай бұрын

and let me specify: people hate using their brains while grinding, cause staff spamming is popular, wich is training a trainee BUT EVEN LONGER.

I never use starting promoted unit, imo it's a big loose of experience for other characters and have realy poor potential in comparaison with others

Playing slower is way more "efficient" by every metric. Availability (with a very few exceptions) is the stupidest thing the fire emblem community has ever come up with.

@KieraQ0323

3 ай бұрын

Efficient means without waste(including wasting time). Going slower in FE8 is less efficient by nearly every metric.

@navadax4541

2 ай бұрын

By definition being "efficient" implies doing something well at a fast rate. Also how is availability stupid? If you aren't around for most of the game then you simply can't do as much as other characters.