Roger Penrose has made ground-breaking contributions to the fields of quantum gravity, general relativity, and cosmology. Watch his Arc of Life on iai.tv! In this interview with filmmaker David Malone, Penrose looks back on his life's work and shares new ideas on the subjects of logic and consciousness -> iai.tv/video/the-arc-of-life-roger-penrose?KZread&+comment&

@smlanka4u

Жыл бұрын

Binary Physics is closer to reality, and it is compatible with the Buddhist teachings on ultimate realities.

@saltybits9954

Жыл бұрын

He has done NOTHING. He's an Einstein useful idiot who is wrong about everything.

I met Roger Penrose when I was walking my dog in a park in Oxford a few months back. He didn’t mind me introducing myself and fanboying a bit. In fact, he was very friendly and he graciously humoured me with a conversation about his theory of conformal cyclic cosmology. Legend!

@junelew3744

28 күн бұрын

oh, how I envy you!

One should be congratulating the Nobel Prize for having Roger Penrose, not the other way around. A landmark human being.

He is the most gracious and humble scientist of our times.

@jamesbogart

Жыл бұрын

But he does not attribute to Hugh Everett

@bennyaction

Жыл бұрын

I'd give the title to Donald Hoffman who has put forth more original and profound ideas in a much less pretentious way. Although Penrose has changed his ideas radically over the years, I wouldn't say it's out of humility - his ideas about quantum coherence etc. etc. that was completely made up with no evidence to support it. He was going for fame & fortune off a lie. Never liked that about Penrose, which is a shame because he has the charisma.

@saltybits9954

Жыл бұрын

He's a moron who thinks massless photons are zipping through the entire universe with no proof.

@jayg6138

7 ай бұрын

“There isn’t a multiverse in the sense that I’ve heard expressed today” told me everything I needed to know about this man’s character in one of his debates. On a panel of brainiacs and never singled a person out. So eloquently spoken. The type of English that is going out of fashion in my opinion as a 20 year old ESL teacher. Maybe I’m stuck in the past and it’s eloquence 😅

@NoOne-tg9tk

6 ай бұрын

@@bennyaction another Crypto Christian

For a nonagenarian, Roger Penrose has a sharp mind and, for me, talks a lot of sense. Old school but with new insightful ideas. Been a big fan for half a century. Long may you live. You still have a lot to give.

@generaltheory

Жыл бұрын

The asker had two questions, he failed both and completely lost me on consc-. IS THIS ANY-, I REPEAT, ANYWHERE NEAR THE QUESTION IN 2023? English-speaking pop-sci community seems to have gone so far beyond Pakistani inbreeding.

A gentle scientific giant.

what a privilege to have the opportunity to listen to Sir Roger Penrose in my living room. Thank you both.

I pray I get this old with this kind of crisp mind

An infinity of likes, hearts, and thumbs up to Dr. Penrose.

Penrose is the greatest scientist of our time!

The idea that the universe forgets how big it is, it's so brilliant and explains so much. Penrose truly a genius mind.

@eugeniocazzo4198

27 күн бұрын

When does he mention that?

@No_OneV

27 күн бұрын

@@eugeniocazzo4198 24:00 - 28:00

@No_OneV

27 күн бұрын

@@eugeniocazzo4198 Just rewatched. 24:00-28:00 aprox.

He is an incredibly kind and generous individual, willingly offering his time for these interviews despite his advancing years. Remarkably, he remains sharp as a tack, with his faculties fully intact and undiminished. His eloquence and mental acuity are truly inspiring. My hope is that as I reach my later years, I will exhibit the same robust vitality and articulate speech as he does. It's a testament to a life well-lived and a mind well-maintained.

Lets take a moment to appreciate Sir Roger Penrose, Einstein of our time.

Any video roger penrose is in I listen to even though 99.9% of what he says goes over my head. Also refreshing to hear a man who is far more intelligent than most human beings so easily admit his errors with a smile and no ego.

There exists no development, no transformation and no optimisation of science and it's various branches without Philosophy.

I'm in that phase where curiosity and philosophical thirst has thrown me into a bottomless abyss. If falling is destined, let me fall forever.

@kathryntate6809

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I know where you are at, walking the tight rope. Try to stay grounded in your own truth by that I mean the you of your childhood--your mindset at say age 5, and plant your flag there while you walk "the road less taken".

@richardhall5489

Жыл бұрын

"Imagine that from the moment of birth we find ourselves falling through space. We do not know where we are falling from or to; we are just falling. In this situation it seems normal that we should project forward and attempt to know the future. We cannot know the future , so we are faced with the fact of falling. If we were to stop projecting either forward or backward, falling would become flying." Ray Menezes - Blood Washing Blood, A Zen Perspective of Psychotherapy

@ExistenceUniversity

Жыл бұрын

Well you have to hit the first principles eventually or else you aren't learning just hearing or imagining

Man I love listening to Sir Roger. I think (possibly totally wrong) that he is on the precipice of some much bigger picture. It may not be his exact vision but at a minimum he’s teasing out the spirit in which it may be useful to approach these topics

@nbd9619

11 ай бұрын

agree. and the biggest part is quantum fluctuation-ongoing BB.

The man talks about baffling things but always manages to seem to make sense

Wonderful interview, wonderful set of questions and meaningful answers. Thanks.

This is the most peaceful interview I have ever watch in me life, so lovely & I enjoy the topic by Mr penrose

So far, this is the best interview with Penrose that I've watched. Thanks!

@jamesbogart

Жыл бұрын

and its based on deception.

@branden2941

8 ай бұрын

​@@jamesbogartI see a credible scientist giving his thoughts and theories on important subject matter. Are you sure you're not just butt hurt that it doesn't conform to the mainstream theoretical science you idolize?

@jamesbogart

8 ай бұрын

@@branden2941 are you 18 yet ?

R.P has a nice way of explaining things which sound plausible without confusing us with the detail mathematics. I like the realism about the current deficiency over the WF collapse understanding that others' accounting for leads to messy implausible outcomes.

Never found such a good host with "to the point" questions. Very smart.

Brilliant! Thank you for this.

the way he went through all the steps that led him to his idea about consciousness and that was also understandable to follow for me was great

Thanks for a great interview with this brave and pioneering scientist! 🌞

His mind is incredibly agile and lucid for his age.

What a privilege to listen Sir Roger Penrose , I really like the CCC theory , it makes so much sense , appreciate the intellectual vigor of the interviewer.

Great physicist he made and help to made breakthrough in physics and phylosophy, great man.

I predict we will be praising this mans contribution for aeons.

love this old dude. he knows what goes on

Thank you very much!

His way of explaining comes to me very legible. I may even get the books now

The title of this presentation from one universe to the next caught my attention. When I was 7 years old a group of brilliant blue-white light beings contacted me and a younger sister for a few nights. Later as an adult many of those light beings made contact with me in small and in larger groups. The most contacts were made by the ancient mentor of that light group. He was ancient before this universe. He comes from the center of Source. He has healed me and given me energy in this life. He told me those in our light group are going into a new universe, the most beautiful ever created, after I leave this one. He said I will be in awe of what I will experience. Creation is far more interesting and vast than is known in this world. I wrote about some of those experiences and others in "Visions of a Star Traveler" and in another book coming out in March 2024 "Portals to the Infinite." We are all more than the forms we show on earth.

I love hearing him speak.

that was a real treat - great questions - thank you

Thank you Roger for an illuminating talk.😎

What a wonderful mind! Love the understanding of non-material science!

I love this man.

Amazing mind He thinks beyond convention

Such a great topic

Oh how I wish here was a magical way all the great intellects throughout history could sit around a table to seek a way to iron out the immense problems that lay ahead for the human race.

The nature of the collapse of the wave function goes into territory of mind over matter ideas and that's a really itchy topic for physicists. It's a topic I follow closely. So I'm glad Penrose isn't afraid to delve into that. Even then being able to have a better understanding or control over it, is really fascinating. It's like a door into new physics and engineering. Also I think he is absolutely right that the mystery of consciousness is inspiring new ideas in physics and philosophy and computer science as well. It almost feels like we're on the cusp of a new era but all the necessary technologies haven't been able to fall into place just yet. What we lack in our own intelligence we might compensate with clever artificial intelliegence. And maybe there comes a time when direct brain computer interfaces is the only way to understand higher level physics intuitively. And not just understand it but manipulate it via connected tools. What we are currently lacking is alternative hardware to produce consciousness with. We rely on biological neurons which are unbeatably efficient and will always be superior to whatever engineers can come up with. Yet there's still this gap between the analog and the digital realm. We cross it with mathematics and the use of symbols and language, but being able to interconnect would speed things up a bit. Producing silicon based hardware neurons would be a step forward to a possibility of harnissing consciouness as a resource. If this turns out to be real physics then it opens up a whole can of worms in the ethical department as one might expect. We would be essentially confronted with the possibility of machine slavery and mind control, a shifting of boundaries in both directions.

@syzygyman7367

Жыл бұрын

Physics is lazy as it's been from the 1930s. It took an outsider Bell to review what the fathers of QM built and see that there's a way to test if God really plays dice or not, a simple dumd way any gambler from Vegas can understand. Now it's even worse, no one even dares to make am external audit of the current mess. Penrose is the only big one who says that the current Emperor has no clothes. Basically, physics is like NASA before SpcaeX, a corrupt lazy swamp. And all of that without even mentioning of fear and hatred towards big questions.

@ExistenceUniversity

Жыл бұрын

You don't seem to know Penrose's work. He has shown that consciousness is not the brain or computer like.

@marillion4th393

Жыл бұрын

@@ExistenceUniversity indeed...

@plaincuriosity3555

Жыл бұрын

Events in nature created the mass or the weight of every neutron in this universe to be mathematically identical, the mass of every proton to be mathematically identical, and the mass of every electron to be mathematically identical. All neutrons, protons and electrons in this universe being mathematically identical is a prerequisite in order to flawlessly exchange electrons back and forth. How does nature know mathematics? Can mathematical precision and order originate from nothing? Is Mathematics Proof of the NTELLIGENT DESIGN of our Universe? Read the book “The Real Creator - Scientific Proof of Intelligent Design” It’s a must-read.

He is so sharp.

Think you, I really enjoyed that.

I think he is one of the last great thinkers since Einstein. Physics will never answer his question because they refuse to think outside of their framework of possibilities. Consciousness is a part of this system but we have to start thinking in this way. I love how he sees our Universe.

While I'm a big proponent of String theory and many worlds. I love listening to Roger Penrose talk about his idea on what really is going on. His words and thoughts make a lot of sense as well.

Collapse of the wave function. (Powerful observation)

I am your biggest fan. I envious your wisdom. You are also my type.

The greatest mind of our times.

two major things in answering the universe are Physics and Philosophy of Physics. Thank You Professor Roger Penrose. 💐

The interviewer says he read the book and exactly in the next sentence he makes a question on the emergency of the consciousness when the book is clearly holding that consciousness is not emergent phenomena but a reduction of either one state or the other. RP must be so patient and takes a deep breath to again and again explain the theory, the same assumptions been taken since Tegmarks attempt to refute the theory and all the emergent misunderstanding that follows from temperature and humidity and physicalists with their own bias wantjinh to see consciousness emerge 😂 god bless Penrose’s health, intellect and psychological state of mind to be so patient 😆

@goldwhitedragon

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Humility and patience ae rare in the West.

I would appreciate if you mention the exact date of the interview next to uploading date . It would also help in regards to freshness of the contents.

Thank you "Institute for art and ideas" and Sir R. Penrose for this successful video! The theory of perpetual renewal is a very realistic and conceivable theory, well ahead of the previously conjectured big bang theory as the original scheme of our universe... Dark energy and dark matter have some special properties that have not been talked about that much, their existence seems to be permanent and they are passed from one universe to the next - theory of perpetual renewal of a universe (may be multiverse)... It's easier to imagine a universe in a bubble with these two fundamental forces and gases and cosmic dust. So when a universe reaches the end of its cycle (or shall we say, dies) it automatically renews itself, presumably with the help of surviving quasars and some frozen galaxies (here we still have to observe and analyze the new data and images from the JWST)... The quasars clean the former universe of the remaining matter by absorbing and converting this matter with their "jets" into energy and particles that later and in the right moment get injected into the new universe. The frozen galaxies depend on these quasars and provide the material "seeds" for the young, rapidly growing universe. In deed, they are the first observable galaxies in the new "baby" universe (the JWST recently observed this phenomenon)... So the Big Bang is not really the starting explosion of a singularity, but rather a part of the inflationary period of the cosmos, which is actually the most active, creative and energetic (explosive!) period of our universe...

i love this kid!

I loved his Joe Rogan appearance , never seen Joe as quiet in all my life !!

For me the biggest think that I learn from him is the way he thinks, the true openness on ideas that almost falls into sci-fi territory and walking on that land while maintaining an elite scientific mind for the sake of finding the truth. Amazing scientist and thinker.

I love this theory it’s really in sync with my imagination it just makes me marvel at the possible depth of time

Excellent diction and grammar .Heard he's handy when mending a fuse.

Jonathan Penrose , Grandmaster of Chess !! . Roger Penrose , Grandmaster of Science !!

I may need to watch this again.....after I learn a little more of the basics....first I'm gonna see how an apple falls! Yikes! Great stuff

"Science is what we know and philisophy is what we don't know". Bertand Russell.

I wonder if a collapse of the wave function could occur in a dream. The door to becoming conscious took place in me a night in 2014. I experience a "shift" in a dream - nothing visual. How does one describe a shift? A noticeable change took place. Prior to that time I had no interest in Spirituality. However, I had been thinking about meditation, having learned how to meditate in my 20s. (BTW, my cerebellum was nicked during a repair of my brain aneurysm in 2002.) ANR, I was terrified I'd lose my thinking skills! This motivated me to use my brain exploring all topics of interest. Consciousness unfolded for me gradually, never emerging into Bliss, just for clarification. FYI I remember my entire life from age 2+, all important details. I'm in my 70's now.

Totally agree with this ending. I imagine it like the big bang is like the seed of a tree. There is only a partial amount of the total energy in the end product the tree, in the seed. The rest is given to it by the sun, during growth, expansion. There has to be a driving force behind inflation. The inside of the tree represents our view. If you were to live inside the tree, in its cells, you couldn't observe the sun but only its effects

Thank you brother, your videos help me a lot, it would be great to see the video on Kundalini, Blessings 🙏

Lawrence Krauss: this is how to let a genius keep speaking without interrupting him until he finishes his answer.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

Krauss pretended he understood Penrose based on a book from over 10 years ago - as if Penrose hasn't been publishing and speaking since then. Hilarious.

Unity physics is of the trinity, r > c, r = c, r < c.

❤ GREAT WORK ON BLACK HOLES WITH STEPHEN HAWKING AND C.C.C. THEORY.✌️👍

Penrose gave me a new mind.

It’s amazing to see modern top physicists speaking about Consciousness. Mr. Penrose says it’s becoming a topic in modern physics. However, I hear the interviewer saying that consciousness is in/with the brain. I would hate to believe modern Physics abolish the existence of the spirit in which consciousness is inherent. Consciousness (the spirit and the existence of) maybe the key to explain some of big questions modern physicists are up against to. Maybe the physical universe could be easier to understand with the introduction of a key factor (which alas is beyond the physical universe so I can understand their hesitation) which is consciousness. Nothing inanimate has consciousness. Does it? So why/how could the Physical Universe do? After all Mankind experiences very hard and strange times. So I think Physics and (modern) Philosophy should reconcile and walk hand in hand not just to salvage Mankind but to lead it to new heights and realms. So thank you Mr. Penrose for your endeavors

Love the interview, hate the iPhone dings in the background

Mr. Penrose, if I were to drop a large rock from 10,000ft altitude, then immediately enter a deep sleep and wake 3 hours later. My sleep and waking moment being a mere few seconds for me, would the rock have fallen at a gravitational rate, or would it have fallen faster? See I believe consciousness to possibly be physical as you describe, but lacking the equations for a number of things, such as (p) processing of data, a process that is of course very difficult to calculate when chaos is involved, not randomness, it would certainly be impossible if random. I also believe consciousness must be active and/receiving in order for data to be processed. I, further, believe the subconscious is active in a separate state. I, think, that consciousness can be calculated, but we lack the defining variables and associated equations to do so. Your interviews, your lectures and ideas drive me to do better in this little world of ours and I thank you. I only wish I hadn't discovered this side of myself so late in life.

@adammorris5078

5 ай бұрын

Perhaps consciousness is the translator between realities. A cosmic calculator quantifying every input.

Ending on a mysterious note with the hint of signals from a previous eon. I’m sure he’s right. It doesn’t seem plausible that the Big Bang is all there is to it.

Looks like a Zach Galifianakis do a "Between Two Ferns" interview.

When was this recorded?

A !Kung bushman of the Kalahari to Sir Laurens Van Der Poste. "We are a dream being dreamed by a dream". Perhaps the most useful word that can encapsulate 'reality' is that it is a dream. Both at our personal level and at the level of the hyperverse. We dream our dreams although the mind that emanates from our cerebellum, much as we emanate from our cerebrum, may have a lot to do with it. If the hyperverse is a dream then perhaps it also needs a 'dreamer'. What thinkest thos?

Oh you mean in the epsode of the big conversation with sir William lane craig

Entropy as the birth of causality. The big suck! Bless you Roger.

Giant mind of our time. This cyclical universe idea is triggering many reflections in my own mind. For example 'rebirth' stories - I wonder if that may be information seeping from one cycle into a subsequent one ... ..somehow, which is another query .

What he’s describing is as if the universe has had a child 🤷🏽‍♂️ I find this man, fascinating

Information.

Looking at the cerebellum is interesting.

As humans, we experience -- or live in -- two distinct universes, the universe of "matter" and the universe of "feeling". It is unscientific to focus exclusively on one and deny the significance of the other. And there is also no reason to assume that one can be reduced or derived from the other: Each may be entirely self-contained. In this multiverse model, the one is not "parallel" to the other: There is actually a radical qualitative difference between the two. It may also make sense to regard the universe of "matter" as a collection of disjoint systems -- a universe of waves, a universe of particles, a universe of quantum effects. The key point is that we humans are no one thing: We exist in multiple realms. The other point is that consciousness exists outside of "ourselves". The microtubules then operate as receptors. And reception is a matter of degree. So it is a mistake to ask whether or not an entity is consciousness, as if we have an either/or dichotomy: Everything is conscious, to a degree. So when we attribute consciousness to another human being, or even to a computer, we are partly right and partly wrong. I.e., the "bright line" between human and machine is self-delusion. Nature is a continuous illusion! -- from ape to human to computer!

Great respect for Prof. Penrose here, and I do believe there is much to be said for his cyclic model, especially the observation that an infinite universe filled with radiation only is essentially equivalent to a point, because all measures of distance and time disappear. But I would turn this on it's head and postulate that a black hole point-like singularity becomes ("quantumly"... some handwaving here because we do not have the full theory) equivalent to a new infinite universe filled with intense radiation, within which matter forms eventually as it cools. Yes, our whole universe may very well be inside a black hole. Many hypothesized this, and perhaps Prof. Penrose cyclic model could be used to give this idea life.

His title is Sir Roger Penrose. Why did you not address him correctly in the title and description?

Absolutely fantastic. There might be a limit (like speed of light for mere mortals) for the speed of universums' expansion and it is called Big Bang and the new universum manifests and new history. I think universum does not need to forget its size cos it does not matter. There is no metering outside. We have all power to say our universum is tiny. Or huge.

It's actually quite simple and dead smack all around us. You can't jump a circuit without interrupting it. It's like the old school telephone line, where we know the call is there, but tapping the line makes a notable difference. We know there's something much bigger out there because it has mass. That's why altering the consciousness often yields far better results, am I right party people in the house! Seriously, that's like watching paint dry, it's only going to dry till complete entropy. You have to tap the source and/or the destination.

That was a big job.

Ada ruang waktu yang energi apapun belum sampai, itulah Mega Blackhole ( sama sekali berbeda dengan Blackhole ). Untuk hal Jiwa dan Ruh sesuatu yang berbeda. Jiwa selalu berada dan exist didalam tubuh yang hidup. Ruh bisa berada ditubuh bisa juga tidak. Ruh masih punya energi meskipun tubuh sudah mati. 🙏 Kami setuju teori Penrose 🙏

Who is the man called "Steen" who taught Sir Penrose this wisdom at Cambridge? I want to look him up and read his works.

it's very interesting to hear the claim that the consciousness is not computational especially in the era when our COMPUTERS are slowly becoming more and more conscious ☺️

@albert6157

Жыл бұрын

He meant that, consciousness is an emergent property beyond computation. Computation alone cannot explain consciousness yet. Thats what he meant

@vanrutgar6536

Жыл бұрын

Computers mimick consciousness Sentience is something beyond flip flop gates .

@somraksprosty4174

Жыл бұрын

of course animal's consciousness doesn't work on binary flip flops and computers are just trying to imitate it, but I can't see why it shouldn't be computational.. neurons, neurotransmitters and every other brain cells are made of atoms like everything else, they communicate through electric signals "carried by" electrons, why there should be something special emerging? I think that the idea that we don't understand yet the complexity of the brain's sentience and also we don't understand decoherence of the quantum superpositions, so they must be somehow connected, is just too simple to be true ☺️ Cats or octopuses are also conscious, so do they also collapse the wave functions everywhere they look then? 🌚

@goldwhitedragon

Жыл бұрын

@@somraksprosty4174 perhaps he means the mind or conciousness cannot be mechanised.

@somraksprosty4174

Жыл бұрын

@@goldwhitedragon ok, I'm just saying it's an interesting claim, I'm opened to any idea, but personally I think that consciousness or mind is just a software to run the hardware (our animal's bodies), nothing more nothing less ☺️ we are so related to our ancestors like monkeys, cats or whales, our minds have only a very small differences but nobody's talking about a whale's mind, we think human consciousness is something special that can even collapse the wave function of any particle or what whereas we are only a little bit more complex primates than chimpanzees in my opinion 🌚

Dan Winter has much to add to "collapse of the wave funk shun"

My current thoughts on what we perceive as the weirdness of the Quantum Level is because we are still trying to fit the proverbial "square peg in the round hole”. Our Mathematics has taken us beyond our ability to understand what it is we are trying to make sense of. We think that what is happening at the Quantum level is taking place entirely in our normal Spacetime Universe when ,in fact, what we may be perceiving is what is taking place at the “Boundary”between Our Normal Spacetime any what I calll, for want of a better name, Negative Space”. My current view is that the interaction between and 2 or more Dynamic Realities would be a constantly changing “Probabilistic Environment”where “Certainty”would not exist and hence we have “the uncertainty Principle” ruled by Probabilities. It would make perfect sense and would not be Weird at all but perfectly Natural. I don’t know where this will take me but is the path that seems to make the most sense to me to follow for now.

It reminds me of the ad for Apple computers years ago.....'Think Differently', where the truth was that computers could compile data that might aid you in your thinking......and so it still stands......computers don't have a 'consciousness, binary anything never can

@mikhailfranco

Жыл бұрын

I think the actual slogan was the ungrammatical 'Think Different'.

I'm a science critic (it's all physical! Is it really?) but I follow scientific opinion. This is beyond my comprehension - but it is staggering to listen to his scientific mind delineating the whole scene of physics out loud. Very impressive! This is surely one of his best interviews. Very well done! Having said that; as a critic of the materialistic viewpoint, I think that both he and science generally,, underestimate the role of consciousness in this grand scenario. Science would do well to listen to channelled communications which illuminate the edges and fundamentals of this physics view[point. There is a deeper level of consciousness that supports the physical.

What about infinite regress?

I would like to understand how can the universe forget how big it is and start then as a new big bang.

At around 29 minutes he talks about signals propagating from 1 eon to the next, what are the signals?

@albedoshader

Жыл бұрын

Gravitational waves from black hole collisions that happened in the previous eon. And Penrose predicts these waves cause circles of temperature differences of a specific size in the microwave background.

@steveunderhill5935

Жыл бұрын

I think penrose et al (ai) are looking for patterns in the cmb from previous eons prior to the Big Bang. Hawkings hypothesis suggest black hole burning out leaving specific points. Based on the cmb there are googlable maps

one of the few grown ups still left, thanks for this.

When universes touch they spark a new universe...