From Canaanite Epic to Biblical Narrative - Prof. Ed Greenstein

From Canaanite Epic to Biblical Narrative, a lecture by Prof. Ed Greenstein of The Zalman Shamir Bible Department.
"From Canaanite Epic to Biblical Narrative": Biblical prose narrative appears as a highly developed literary form; but it did not come out of the blue. There is a clear background in Canaanite epic--by which I mean verse narrative about heroes. Scholars have suggested that the Israelites had epic, even though that form does not appear as such in the Bible. In this lecture clear evidence for Israelite epic is presented, and parts of epics that once existed are identified within Biblical poetry.
The Zalman Shamir Bible Department: bible.biu.ac.il/en/
Bar-Ilan University: www1.biu.ac.il/en

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  • @hebrewgreek7420
    @hebrewgreek74202 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating. Thank you for making this lecture available.

  • @fruitypebbles2470
    @fruitypebbles24704 жыл бұрын

    I'm Mizrahi Jewish and i took a genetics test and got 44% cannanite 35% amorite and 7% hittite. And a few cannanite and amorite relatives they dug up Ashkelon and Galilee. I think Jews are just the ancient populations who seperated from pagans and became monotheistic.

  • @iniquitousman8251

    @iniquitousman8251

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which test did you take? What's your thoughts on Khazar?

  • @greglogan7706

    @greglogan7706

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fruity Thanks for sharing!!

  • @lloydgush

    @lloydgush

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you read the prophets and kings, it doesn't sound like they separated all that much. At least not long after becoming monotheistic. (which seems to happen around ezequiel, maybe a bit earlier and in judah.) Seems to me that the purpose of monotheism and a temple centric religion was to unify a people who were frequently separated by the struggles between major foreign powers. Ironically what ever they created was good enough to maintain social cohesion between nations very well.

  • @bench-clearingbrawl7737

    @bench-clearingbrawl7737

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re Russian. From Eurasia. That’s why your ancestors speak Yiddish and not Hebrew. Yiddish is a mix of Russian and German and they tried to sprinkle a little bit of Hebrew so you can force everyone to believe that you’re from the ancient Hebrew Israelites but you’re not.

  • @connorseunninga2324
    @connorseunninga23245 жыл бұрын

    Still a good lecture. Gave me insight for composure.

  • @fitzfitzgerald1249

    @fitzfitzgerald1249

    2 жыл бұрын

    The World in Chaos Even You, but "Be Still " by Gooden and Cohen I've come a long way still have a longer way to go it's been a Lonely Road but I know I'm not alone sometimes the going has gotten tough and I was down could not get up but when my Sin I had enough Jesus took me by the hand Be still and know that I am God With me there's nothing that's too hard I'll get you through I've left it all behind To find the one above I had to die inside To Forgive and learn to love I've found that letting go Turns faith into a rope and so now I'm holding on to the only one who gives me hope. Be still and know that I am God With me there's nothing that's too hard I'll get you through it kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGuazZmag5a1ZdY.html

  • @rivkaestherkletski4184
    @rivkaestherkletski41846 жыл бұрын

    What about why they could not give up sacrifice?? To me that is the most important question

  • @robmcroberts4150
    @robmcroberts415010 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this post. I am wondering if one the original Canaanite epics would have been about the conflict between Baal and Yam given all the poetic language about God overpowering the water with his screams aka thunder? This would place it neatly in the context of other ANE myths about generational conflict amongst deities. In this case the struggle would be amongst two sons of El seeking to claim the right of inheritance as chief god.

  • @KohanKilletz

    @KohanKilletz

    10 жыл бұрын

    According to Sakkun-Yaton (Sanchuniathon) Baal and El are Half Brothers.

  • @edgreenstein2596

    @edgreenstein2596

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes, the cycle of myths about Baal in north Canaanite (Ugaritic) epic comprises two major parts: a sibling rivalry between the storm-god Baal and the sea-god Yamm, as you imagine, and another sibling rivalry between Baal and the god of aridity and death, Mot.

  • @stevenv6463
    @stevenv64633 жыл бұрын

    How does this lecturer's ideas interact with the idea that the Priestly source had a long poem explaining the history of the world since creation? Is he arguing something similar with the idea of an "Israelite epic"?

  • @tem_anu
    @tem_anu8 жыл бұрын

    isn't psalms believed to be from the book of giants?

  • @watermelonlalala
    @watermelonlalala7 жыл бұрын

    Ugarit wasn't the only city.

  • @tem_anu
    @tem_anu8 жыл бұрын

    Solomon had more then one god I've read it before... so at that point in time there wasn't one true god in worship..had to happen after that.

  • @ptah4611

    @ptah4611

    3 жыл бұрын

    He built a temple outside Jerusalem for the gods his wives worshipped

  • @Sportliveonline
    @Sportliveonline8 ай бұрын

    Who and what is God ??

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti54163 жыл бұрын

    From ugarit The ones of the alphabet And the first song in the world

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti54163 жыл бұрын

    La epoca de los poetas

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti54163 жыл бұрын

    Iasonas That is from the orfica

  • @Sportliveonline
    @Sportliveonline8 ай бұрын

    Does God exist ?

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti54163 жыл бұрын

    They had the troian war

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti54163 жыл бұрын

    The people of ugarit had ties with greece

  • @drtn6206
    @drtn62063 жыл бұрын

    They were all polytheist and the tanakh is full of copies from other religions..

  • @atol71
    @atol713 жыл бұрын

    13th tribe???? The pirates, leftover data of yours???? Foinicians, carthago???? MOLOK????

  • @knowone3031
    @knowone30312 жыл бұрын

    The "Lord" smashed the temple 2wice already is todays lesson A "bow" is an arc.. ""The song" is cultural lament..

  • @sicdavid6292
    @sicdavid62924 жыл бұрын

    More appolagetics.

  • @timesup8196
    @timesup81965 жыл бұрын

    IsraEL, EL means a child of god, NOT a place or people! PLEASE study.

  • @lorijohnson9230

    @lorijohnson9230

    5 жыл бұрын

    el is a god or name of a god

  • @gyulaborzasi343

    @gyulaborzasi343

    4 жыл бұрын

    Israel means the one who struggled with God no ?

  • @justsaying8868
    @justsaying88688 жыл бұрын

    It's all a bait and switch. What they did was change names and religions to make it sound a if it were someones real history when it's the history of many different peoples and cultures. The Torah is a mirror of the Sumerian Tablets. Genesis is mirrored from the Enuma Elish Creation Story.

  • @erics7992

    @erics7992

    5 жыл бұрын

    Have you ever read the Enuma Elish? Have you ever read the Sumerian Tablets? Have you read the Torah very closely for that matter? Do you live (or does Professor Greenstein for that matter) in the second millennium B.C. and are you at all even remotely familiar with what the people of that time in the Mediterranean littoral knew or did not know about history? what they had been told by their ancestors? what monuments to past events they saw and walked by every day of their lives that have now long since shriveled into dust? Provide some detail before making such sweeping accusations.

  • @erics7992

    @erics7992

    4 жыл бұрын

    @L M I'm well aware of these facts. Truth be told there is no such thing as "the Bible" that is a product of the age of the printing press. Before that the common term was something like Sacred Scriptures which is a fancy way of saying Sacred Writings. These books are divinely inspired but God used as his instrument human beings who were living in history and for the Hebrew Scriptures the names of many of the authors are now remembered only by Him. There is some truth present in false religions as well so to see the same concepts reflected or to see a motif that is used in a pagan religion appear in one of the ancient biblical writings shouldn't trouble anyone especially since we don't know the origins of these things nor have scientific evidence as to which telling, the Hebrew or the pagan is more similar to the unknown original. Moses after all must have learned many things about history from the Egyptians that have now been completely lost to us. And divine inspiration sifted the good from the bad.

  • @erics7992

    @erics7992

    4 жыл бұрын

    @L M Spare me. All Semitic languages are very similar. Hebrew and Ugaritic from way in the north of Syria (not part of geographic Canaan) are very close and part of the same language family but there are also a lot of similarities between Hebrew and modern Arabic. As I said: in the writing of the Scriptures God entered history. El is a generic root for God or things divine in the Semitic language and yes the liturgical cult uses of Yahweh uses some of the same terminology as the religious observance of Ugarit but so what? Divine revelation perfects the practices of men that are good and eliminates those, such as human sacrifice, that are evil. Read what I said in the previous comment. And the evidence for the worship of Canaanite deities in Israel by the Hebrews only confirms the historical accuracy of the Hebrew Scriptures which repeatedly accuse the Israelites of apostasy with Baal almost from the moment they entered Canaan until the arrival of Nebuchadnezzar. In fact the repeated mixing of the cult of Yahweh with the cults of Canaanite deities are repeatedly condemned by the prophets up and down the history of Israel. Did it not ever occur to you that the Shasu of YHWH might actually be, given that the dating of that inscripition concurs with the chronological account of the Exodus given in the Hebrew Scriptures and not the stupid modern dating for which there is not evidence except the alleged personal authority of Albright, the Hebrews themselves who were still wanderers in the Sinai between Egypt and Canaan at the moment it was written?

  • @erics7992

    @erics7992

    4 жыл бұрын

    @L M I'm not interested in the supposed Canaanite/Phoenician origin of the God of the Israelites. I spent most of my life reading this stuff and thinking that this people actually knew what they were talking about. I mean they have advanced degrees from prestigious universities like Yale, Harvard, and all the rest so I just assumed they knew what they were talking about. I was wrong and when I started to study the matter for myself, to learn Latin and Greek and Hebrew and to look into the Ugaritic and Akkadian languages I began to see there just wasn't any real historical evidence to back any of this stuff up. It started with the Gospels when I read Justin Martyr writing in the middle of the second century consistently quoting the sayings of Jesus exactly as they are found in the Gospels we possess today. And then there isthe account of Saint Irenaeus writing at the end of the SECOND CENTURY where he describes who wrote the Gospels (and it was Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John amazingly enough) and where and when they were written and amazingly enough quotes from the supposed 'missing ending of Mark that according to our friends in academia wasn't even written until the fourth century and I wondered why I had never even heard this mentioned much less refuted by people who have made a lot of money trying to convince the world that the Gospels were all fragmentary and anonymous compositions and the apostolic names weren't affixed to them until centuries later. WRONG! And as for the Hebrew Scriptures it is likewise true for the 'documentary hypothesis' (J, D, E, P and the rest) which was dreamed up by the Julius Wellhausen at the end of the 19th century and has been inflicted on the world by his disciples in the academic world for more than a century and has authority more because of the amount of times it is repeated than because of the actual evidence backing it up of which there is none. The sad thing is since J, D, E, and P, are purely products of the imagination people who want to make them some sort of foundational text use them to create false and imaginary history that they will not listen to the refutation of. As for the mixture of Baal worship and the cult of Yahweh the books of the Hebrew prophets give us the answer for that and these were written by those who were alive during those times and not by people who are living three thousand years later and are unable to breathe the air of 1000 B.C. nor acknowledge the authority of the works of those who actually were alive then. But what all these silly theories have in common is that they tell people what they want to hear. Human beings are fallen creatures and prone to sin and what these stupid ahistorical theories do is give people an excuse that they can make sound plausible to themselves to not follow the divinely revealed moral code, especially its sexual moral code.

  • @erics7992

    @erics7992

    4 жыл бұрын

    @L M I think that you haven't actually paid attention to anything and I'm sorry for you. Goodbye.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti54163 жыл бұрын

    They took everything from the neighbords And put yhave

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti54163 жыл бұрын

    And the greeks won They had zeus with them and athina

  • @erics7992
    @erics79925 жыл бұрын

    Professor Greenstein wants to make the claim that the book of Job borrows heavily from the Song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32. There is only one problem with this: the author of Job never mentions Moses nor is there any evidence in the Book of Job (and this makes it unique in the whole of the Hebrew Bible) that he has ever even heard of any significant historical figure named Moses, or was indeed aware of any of the historical events of the Hebrew people that are recorded or at mentioned in some way, shape, or form in every other book of the Hebrew Bible. In fact the only mention of anything remotely having to do with Israel is the Lord's mention of the Leviathan's ability to swallow the contents of the Jordan River. That's it. In 42 chapters of a very long and involved work absolutely nothing, zip, zero, nada about the Hebrews or the people Israel or even the slightest mention of the great events of their history. Yet the Hebrews preserved it in their canon. Perhaps because it was very ancient and written before there even was a Hebrew people. What is easier to believe: that the book of Job was written hundreds of years after the time of Moses, that the mysterious author for some bizarre reason borrowed extensively, eight times from the song of Moses, yet still desired to completely conceal his knowledge of the history of the Hebrew people in absolutely every other respect OR that the Book of Job was written before there even was a Moses?

  • @lorijohnson9230

    @lorijohnson9230

    5 жыл бұрын

    Moses Hopi or Hapi is written on the Hathepsut Steele.. also in the Grand Canyon.. evidence little Egypt

  • @cajunguy6502

    @cajunguy6502

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why would Job have to mention Moses to borrow from his work? Lord of the Rings borrows heavily from European Myth and Legend, but never once mentions Europe. Star Wars borrows heavily from the works of Akira Kurosawa, but never once mentions Kurosawa.

  • @gyulaborzasi343

    @gyulaborzasi343

    4 жыл бұрын

    Better Book of moses was copied from Job