Fine work gentlemen, great work showing what can be done with a little hickory and some heat!

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Clay. I hope to post another video tomorrow. The 4th of May. Hope to hear your thoughts on this vid. Thanks again Clay.

Excellent job. Tim Baker said that when he, Jay Massey, Paul Constock et al were just getting to know each other and had begun to exchange thoughts ( long before the first volume of TBB) they agreed on one ground rule: “we won’t learn much by simply agreeing with each other”. Consequently they began attacking much of the stale old dogma that existed with bow making-and even their own biases. It’s great to see you belly up to the bar and push the envelope, and the results are top shelf! Thanks for a well-done video. Mark Mann Oklahoma Selfbow Society

@BeckumOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. The men you mentioned are true pioneers to self archery.

I do the same thing on video, 4 days, only use a knife and hatchet, and of course fire. No thermometer, just my hand to measure the temp. Use a fork in tree to straighten the bow. I teach each of the 4 days to seasoned bow. No high tech tools. If the wood is at least 1 inch thick or less, I doesn’t want to crack. You got the game down😉

@mistergekiga2455

2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching your video religiously when I first got into bowmaking, even learned the lasso from you. It's good seeing you around, man.

@megabushcraft

2 жыл бұрын

Nice. Just checked out your channel and subribed a wealth of information thanks for sharing👍🏼

Thanks for the video! Cranked out a shagbark hickory bow over 2 days. 55lb draw weight and it’s a bruiser. I’ve wanted a semi-traditional bow for awhile and these videos were key. I’m very impressed with how well it turned out.

Very impressive guys. The fastest I’ve made a proper bow was 10 days from cutting. Three is pretty gutsy! Hats off

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

10 days is still making a bow very fast. People once believed that you had to dry bow wood for years. That is amazing if you think about it. Thanks for watching.

Superbly done and well documented! A testament to the humble hickory for sure. I've had similar results with honey locust, another under rated bow wood.Thank you guys!

Excellent video! Thank you both for all your great expertise and effort in this insightful video.

@AlfredMostardo-ow8jw

7 ай бұрын

What type of string and how is it strung

@AlfredMostardo-ow8jw

7 ай бұрын

What is a grain

Deadly elegance! Thanks, guys! Jack Brooks, of Englewood Colorado, made a simple "Trade Grade" long rifle in four days from a blank & with only hand tools. He did it to check the factual accuracy of a journal entry by a man who joined a wagon train back in the 1770s. Because the train was leaving in a few days he needed a rifle made quickly.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Interesting about the Trade Rifle. Its amazing what can be done with a little blood, sweat and tears and elbow grease.

Absolutely amazing and awesome. Great work

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much.

Excellent video.Really enjoyed it.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim. More coming next week.

This goes beyond bowmaking, this is experimental archaeology. Pretty amazing discovery. Awesome video.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We are going to try to make a bow even faster next week. I don't know the limits on this but we will find out.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@Anthony Maurice maybe it got too hot or it was not the low moisture needed to fire harden. I really can't make a judgement from my home. It is a process that takes much attention and fineese. I can't say much about elm we have only done the 3 day project with hickory and it was done in early string. Hope you make it happen.

@martinwinski1988

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors thank you for making sure the questions I'd ask as someone learning from nothing on my own would ask.

I like your take on the survival bow. 😉

really cool to watch you make a bow, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I watch you guys finding artifacts. I have watched your channel before. I watch the ditchwalker, mudstompers, pinebelt and others. Keep finding some good stuff.

Excellent work thanks for sharing

Awesome video Thad !!!!! I LOVE IT !!!!!!

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jesse.

Very, very impressive. I am now a fan.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Great video !! Keep them coming.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

This guy has always impressed me with the things he does, he should make like full videos on stuff!

Very interesting! Thank you for putting this on the youtube! There is historical texts about natives smoking their bows and arrows, but I was always told how much better it was to force them to dry slowly. Makes me wonder what we have missed out on by not doing this.

@Tamaquashad

3 жыл бұрын

Dont need to miss out anymore!

You did it You guys are amazing Herb

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I can not wait to try that. I have made lots of Hickory bows and split out the staves dried for months. They all made great bows but they all took a bad set. That thing is awesome 👍

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Try it you will like it.

Awesome guy's, just plain awesome...There's a lot of "armchair bowyers" out there but you guy's are the real deal...Thanks for sharing

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Donald. You are right about armchair bowyers. Seems to be that way about everything anymore.

Great work. As I heard you mention the back retained moisture being up against the form, I thought of layering window screen to 1/4" thick for you to put your bow on when attaching it to your form. It might allow the back to dry more allowing some hot air in and conducting heat, rather than wood on the wood form. Just an idea.

Looks awesome 😎

Very nice job with the bow guys. I’d take that bow into the woods with me any day. It’d be nice to see a follow up after 500 arrows or more. I love that you measure it with a proper 10 g/p arrow too. Thank you for sharing this info. (And thanks Clay, for directing us to this awesome resource!)

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, hope to do later info for this bow

Super!!! I have to try this guys GREAT Job.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jason. We are going to try to do this in 24 hours. Next week in fact. We learn if it works or if it fails. See you soon man.

Good looking homestead

Thanks for sharing subscribed great work and video

"There's a lot I wish I knew years ago" - Ain't that the truth! Awesome video, really enjoyed it! (Note: I know I was a subscriber to your channel at one time, seems to have dropped off so I've sub'd again! )

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for subscribing. Glad you enjoyed. Bones and Stones take care.

Beautiful bow🏹

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Thank You for sharing.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

That is incredibly awesome bow

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. we are going to try to make a bow from a living tree even faster. Next week.

You know,,I recall a Guy years ago on PA reciting an almost identical story of an Elder,making a bow with the same type methods..He claimed the elder made a bow in just a few days from green to finished for an elderly woman friend..The guy telling the story couldnt believe,that the elderly woman could handle the draw weight that he made it at..He received about the same attitude and reception,you guys did on the forum..I think it chased the guy off,because he didnt answer any of my PM's regarding legitimate inquiries...I can now have those questions answered and look forward to my copy of this DVD..I ordered it ....

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Great. Please give us your feed back. Thanks for watching. I have always thought that natives here in the southeast made bows when they cut the stave and used some method for quick controlled drying. This could be as simple as reducing the green wood down and putting the slight bending stave up high over coals , dropping the bow stave slowly. Dropping the bow closer to the coals is not needed if you have several days. Just let the heat and smoke drop the moisture content. If you put a stave 3 to 4 feet above hot coals that piece of wood gets very hot and starts to dry very fast. The tarp we used is not needed. We were trying to see just how fast we could dry the wood and used the tarp and power tools. If i was in the forest without any modern tools i would floor tiller my reduced green wood build a fire and put my stave up over the smoke and coals. It would not take long to get a very dry stave. And i could make a very nice bow very quickly. This is what we done. Thanks hope you enjoy the video.

This can have an influence on what we think about primitive man and his ability to survive. And we know he had fire knowledge as witnessed by fire-hardened stone for knapping. Ancient man was pretty smart because he didn't waste a lot of time in algebra class. So this could change some theories about the time needed to produce a workable weapon, both as a hunter and a defender.

@reen6904

4 ай бұрын

You can make a murder bow in less then an hour whit just an axe if you know what you're doing

Amazing video! Hickory is tough as hell. I think this is the reason it works. I tried quick drying staves of black locust, elderberry and maple (inside a car parked in the sun in summer and later fire) and they got a lot of cracks. The wood also becomes kind of brittle. BTW: I lived near a town called "Beckum" in North-Rhine Westphalia in Germany until last year.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Hickory is super tough. My name Beckum is actually Beckham pronounced the same as Beckum. With Dna my dad matched people with the Beckham spelling. Most from England. But he had matches from all over Europe. Anciently the haplogroup goes back to the area of Germany. Western Atlantic Model Haplogroup. The spelling got changed somewhere in history.

Good information.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Nice job.

Well done guys, this is exactly what im studdien right now, i think hazel and elm should work too for that process..

This is soooo cool!!!!

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Love those primative tools!

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

This was not about using primitive tools. Of course you can see me build a bow with stone tools on the video "The Art and Science of the Fire Hardened White Wood Bow" . You can get a hard copy dvd or download at ShannonOutdoors.com You can also see me using stone tools in the video "Native Arrows and Points" at BeckumOutdoors.com

@oakridgeboy2023

3 жыл бұрын

Robert loves men

considering this was done with hickory this is awesome. For those who dont know Hickory loves hanging onto moisture. so its difficult to get it down to the moisture content it should be at to shoot well

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. You are right. The white wood moisture issues have been a curse for bow makers for along time. I just finished a bow with 3 1/2" back set and is hickory. It is 47 pounds, fast stable, and frankly not second string to any bow made of any wood. Hope to hunt with it soon. Getting the moisture problem under control and reducing mass in the bow limbs are very big when it comes to having a great bow.

@carlosalejandro1997

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's why staves are topically dried anywhere from 3 months to 2 years

Great Job Guys..

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank You.

Really goes to show the power of ancient fire...

Do you mind attempting this process with oak?? Maybe some water oak or just some form of oak in general ?? Thank you both for this ... love the channel and knowledge being shared Robert Benson

I love this video

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great vid and informative. Nice work on the bows. You guys sure seem to repeat yourselves a lot though 👍👊

@BeckumOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, it's true we repeat ourselves often. We have learned to our dismay that it is necessary to state your facts often because alot of people ask questions when you just explained the answer once. I guess people are very easily distracted in our time. Trying to get your point across can be a challenge with some. Thanks again.

@mikeseeley1042

Жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors Can't wait to try this...got some 4 month old Hickory, so why wait? I appreciate the repeated information...I'm the typical old guy with ADD. :^)

Great information and a great bow. How do you make the form the bow is clamped to? And do you just take a thick piece of wood and cut/sand it to a shallow semi-circle?

The key to using green hickory is to use heat to help dry it and fire harden it, I build hickory, ash and osage to build bows ,if you work it over a fire or bed of coals you can get the moisture content down to 6.5 %,smoking the would helps keep the bugs out ,just like smoking a hide smoke preserves it

Wow nice work

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

When you guys going to make more videos about bow building?

I did a 48" hickory flatbow, with a hatchet and a hunting knife. Looks a lot better than it works. But it does work.

Nice work! Hickory makes an outstanding durable bow. The only thing I did not like about the build is the use of power tools. I am sure you could build it with hand tools in three days but it would take more work.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

It was about the bow wood not the process. I have done this with stone tools. Just add one more day. Check out the dvd or download you can see stone tools in action. Thanks

Smoke the wood makes it slick and tough

Did you wrap the handle the same as you would serve a string? I really like the style

Is it just the season or some kind of book... a lot of people like you and Ryan Gill have done bow building with emphasis on speed. Great piece by the way!

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

I guess if we never wonder, we never take the next step. I have always wondered about what the southeastern native people knew that was lost. One of my motivations decades ago was to create natural archery tools to prove that the weapons were serious deadly tools. I guess I am still on that path.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, more coming soon.

Very interesting video. What do you think about black locust and fire hardening?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't used it but I heard others have with success

These are cool videos

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@Anthony Maurice Yes, white oak will work. Keith has made some super white oak bows with the fire Hardened technique. Of course you need a nice stave and good tillering with any bow wood, that kinda goes without saying but I mentioned it anyway. I have not made any white oak bows with this process but Keith has proven that it works well. He is a great bow maker.

All of our ancestors made bows from green wood and used fire to dry and heat treat their bows ,its how I was taught

I wonder just how far you could push this, could you add more reflex or even recurves? Could you make a reflex deflex design? Could a bow like this be sinew backed? I imagine you could get it even faster.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Yes this has been done with serious recurves and sinew backing. I have a fire hardened bow with sinew backing that has 3 1/4" backset. I put 4" into the bow and only lost 3/4" thru tillering. I have always been a raw self bow man but I love this bow. The real amazing thing about this bow is that I made it 30 years ago. It was the very average overbuilt hickory self bow that had string follow. Now it has much less mass and shoots better than it did 30 years ago at a lower weight. Keith has put heavy recurves into his bows. He made them hold shape by using the fire hard method. He did each limb tip separately. He soaked the limb tips in water for a day before bending and let them dry before putting tips over fire. The question you asked was a good question.

@noblegreen2692

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors I have a question can the fire hardening method and the clamping into a form be done with a board bows, I don't really have access to green wood at the moment and I have been very disappointed in the speed of my bows

@jkre

3 жыл бұрын

@@noblegreen2692 yes, you can heat treat and fire harden bords allso. You can allso make sure that the tips of your bows are as thin as possible to increase speed, allso adding reflex or eaven recurve helps with speed.

Great video! Y’all got a list of bow woods this would work week with ?

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

All the white woods that have a strong back. We have only made a bow this fast with hickory. But have fire hardened alot of different woods. White oak, elm, sweet gum, dogwood , hickory too me is tops.

Thad if I've made a self bow out of a kiln dried red oak board I bought at Home Depot, do you think I would still need to fire harden it??

Hey awesome build. Im curious if youve ever made a gullwing bow like us the Sioux or Apaches used. Those are fast bows. 172 fps at only 22" 10gpp arrow. It seems ppl laugh at small short draw bows. Ive even had one guy say no warrior would have sucj a short draw bow but i made little gullwing bows out of pvc and got im sure 140 fps with 10 gpp. Fastest pvc bow ive made. Plus im quite accurate snap shooting. Another thing people say is u arent accurate snap shooting

Hey now! Lmao i just learned bow building from a green maple sapling. I wasnt going for speed but for a learning experience. A green survival bow i think is a great learning experience. Its more forgiving then dry wood.

I'm very interested in making one of these and really wonder why people wanted to 'season' the bow for a year rather than just doing what you guys did if they didn't have to. My question is what would the longevity of these types of bows be realistically? Even if it only last three months, the fact that you can make these in three days means there's more value and even room to experiment so that it can last longer vs not having a weapon in your hand for a full year. Still info on how long these babies last would be good to know. Thank you for your research.

@keithshannon4410

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know ,we have never worn one out . I think they will last as long as any other well made bow.

enjoyed the video. you covered a lot of solid info quickly and simply. out of ignorance, a question about using the same tree but during the winter time, would the moisture content be a little lower? did you split the wood with the bandsaw? thanks for the info.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Winter is a great time. In the winter the cambium will stick to the back and you will have to scrap it off. The more cambium you leave will slow down the drying a little but it is not a big problem. Alot of bow makers will leave a trace amount of cambium on the back because it adds natural camo and makes the bow look cool. I leave trace amounts but smooth and it out very fine and most of that cambium i leave is down in the valleys and low spots on the stave. Keith cuts his bows staves out on the log with the bandsaw but i use the wedges. I have a bandsaw but only use it to reduce the spit out section down to a rough profile. I do not use my bandsaw on logs. That is very rough on my saw and a little hard trying to get the log up on the saw. Of course a very small log is not a problem. I like my log to split and follow the natural grain. Bow makers that have built many bows can read the grain and know what they can do with each stave. Each stave is different. I build bows in the summer or winter but i hate to do hard heavy work here in the summer. Like cutting down trees and splitting wood. It is just so hot and humid here in the summer. The older you get the more you use your brain and not your back. That took me along time to learn and sometimes i act like i have learned nothing. Thanks for your question and hope i have answered it fully. If you order the dvd or download it will explain this from A-Z

@jerrycox2058

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors Thank you Sir. being older and handicapped in several ways, the smarter way is the only way these days. and like what was said by others and mybe you two, wish that I had known a lot of this 30-40 years ago LOL. I have been backing bows with bamboo that we have growing behind the house. espically on questionable wood grain etc. and love it. keep it up, keep it alive

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks good luck to you and keep making bows and arrows

@dickdanger2235

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors I have a question about moisture also. years ago an old timer said if you cut the wood during the dark of the moon it will hold less moisture. Have you of heard or had any experience with. Thanks from Arkansas

Hola hermoso y potente arco la madera estaba verde recién cortada cuando hizo el tratamiento con el humo y calor y si se puede aplicar a otras maderas para hacer arcos

Do you have any experience with dogwood ? I have a 64 inch clean and straight stave that I harvested from a right of way. White wood extremely thin rings. Should I chase a ring or treat it like hickory ?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Treat it like hickory, we have used dogwood with success.

Where is this bow now ? Do you still shoot it? I would be curious on how many arrows that have been through it with current speeds.

That's amazing. Lol when did you ever know real country boys that do anything the safe way😜😂

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

You are right

I think its a great video. I want to challenge you . When you dry under the tarp. Try to get wood chips wet and create alot of smoke. To see if it makes it more water prof. Indians used smoke on everything.

@BeckumOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Wet wood chips may not be good but you give me an idea. Smoke can be made with dry punk wood. I have used it to smoke braintan buckskin. Alot of dry smoke may be good, thanks.

How long did u leave bow in heat tent?I missed that I guess

It is fantastic! I have a question: Is the temperature 120 degree Fahrenheit or Celsius ? Thank you.

@GlynnSama

Жыл бұрын

Fahrenheit

@matthewyu3531

Жыл бұрын

@@GlynnSama Thank you.

Now, what if you applied that method to a piece of Osage? Would you still get that kind of benefit? I've had very good results with lightly toasting an osage belly with a heat gun.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

James order the dvd or download you will get all the info on this from A-Z Thanks

How about quick drying a green bow on a form in an attic during the summer? I have a metal roof and I'm sure the attic gets hotter than blue blazes, at least as hot as your tent. I've also heard of people drying a green bow in their car during the summer.

@BeckumOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that works for drying, but it takes longer and the fire has much hotter temp's. To harden and dry "Faster."

Where do I purchase one of these fine bows?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

ShannonOutdoors.com give him a call. Ask for Keith

Would birch wood with a bamboo backing be good?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

This process works best on super hardwoods strong in back tension. Hickory , elm, white oak etc. If you try birch cook it lightly. Apply bamboo after heat. i have no experience with birch to be honest but that does not mean it won't work. just monitor the process very closely. '

How'd y'all prevent cracking or does hickory just not crack if dried fast?

@MedievalTrebuchet

4 жыл бұрын

I am wondering the same thing. Maybe I missed it, but how did they prevent cracks and checks while drying?

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

We took measured steps with reducing the mass from the stave and using heat in a measured process. Hickory is great wood and tolerates much other bows woods can't handle, but the key to this process is the process of wood reduction and mass and knowing how much heat the stave can handle and how to apply the heat. Its not just as simple as "hickory" being a hardy wood that won't crack. It is a learned process much like other bow making skills. A great even tiller without stressing the limbs on a wood bow can be done with predictable results because of the simple understanding of the process and this is the same with fast drying wood or fire hardened wood. In the end it is far from rocket science. Just an understanding of wood and moisture. Thanks for watching.

@BrettDeemer

4 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors thanks looks like a new skill I will have to learn i appreciate all the content over the years!

I just got the DVD. Do you lay your bows out symmetrical or asymmetrical? Which do you like better?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I make my bows symmetrical but with the bottom limb a little stiffer than the top maybe 1/8". Just looking at the limbs all looks even. All other aspects of the bow layout is even as possible.

@rickhuge3930

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors thank you for the reply! Looking forward to trying this out!

do you grease your bows while making them then wax them when finished

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

We do not grease the wood while making them and after the bow is done you can use whatever you desire to put on the bow or nothing at all.

Two questions for anyone: What would the native people use to lash the roughed out bow in place while that close to the hot coals with out the availability of metal tools??? What natural material could hold up to that amount of consistent heat with out failing/burning???

@animesa

2 жыл бұрын

Some leather or sinew maybe?

@keithshannon4410

2 жыл бұрын

There are a lot of materials that could be used for that. The heat I use is about 250 to 300 degrees which is really not that hot .Time is the bigger component. Also, after the wood becomes hot it much easier to bend and hold and even if the binding did degrade , you could always replace it . That is really a not a issue.

@inmyopinion6836

2 жыл бұрын

Hickory bark cambium layer makes fantastic cordage and when wet, it doesn't burn at low heats like what you use to dry and to fire harden. Natives used smoke to cure meats and fish. It was natural for them to evolve wood manipulation by fire

@dickdanger2235

Жыл бұрын

Smoking temp isn't hot enough to make a difference with any type of cordage.

Would a sauna tube and a heat lamp work as well I wonder

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly do not know. In fact I never heard of a sauna tube. Give it a try ......I am sure we do not know everything. I hope we keep learning. When I say "we" I am talking about people with honest curiosity. If you try this please share your findings. Thanks

3 days is impressive but you have to know what you’re doing. 👍

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's right. Well said.

What do you consider the ideal moisture content of a bow should be?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

White wood with a strong back can take very low moisture readings. We cooked a couple staves last week and the moisture would not even register on the meter. We wipe them down with a slightly damp sponge let the wood rehydrate for a day. The wood will be 6 percent after that treatment.

@christinenorriss9675

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the promt reply, I'm very interested in this tecnique, do you have to scorch the wood? If so, can it be cleaned up or doe's that effect tiller! I think I will be checking out your video, thanks heaps, Cheers from Mike, Waikato, New Zealand..

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

The best short answer I can give is this. This process is alot like cooking a pig ham over coals. You have to cook the meat slow and controll the time and height of the ham over the coals. If you cook too hot or fast it will burn the outside with the inside meat being raw. But if you control the cooking process you can achieve a perfect cook with the meat being cooked completely thru but nothing burnt or damaged. Low and slow to give the fire time to temper the wood deeply without damage. Check out the video dvd or download. Thank you.

Hello!! If the stave is bent , would you try to take the bend first with mabe a heat gun and then go for clamping it at sweat it?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

No you floor tiller the bow enough you can bend and clamp it on the form.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

We sell a dvd or download called the Art and Science of the Fire Hardened White Wood Bow. On BeckumOutdoors.com or ShannonOutdoors.com.

@miguelbinha

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors that is goung to be a late xmas present O reckon, eheh

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@@miguelbinha Hahaha late present better than no present.

@miguelbinha

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors lol for sure!!

would sinew backing crack the belly from the tension of the sinew?

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

No. Sinew works just fine on a fire hardened bow.

@dgundeadforge17

4 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors I'm guessing fire hardening with sinew on,would damage sinew?

What kind of saw was that you cut the tree down with? Nice job on the bow

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know the brand name. Keith owns that saw. He told me the name but I can't remember. I asked him that question when he pulled out that saw. It is very long with knarly teeth. I bet you could find it or one like it on the internet.

@avidanglerorobsession6127

3 жыл бұрын

It's a silky saw I think

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

It is a Silky Katanaboy.

@LoveThyNeighbor316

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors Thanks I just ordered one

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveThyNeighbor316 Thanks let us know what you think about the video?

Did leaving the cambium on through the fire hardening serve a purpose?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

In this case we did not remove the cambium because we were pushing the limits of fast drying. If your bow wood is dry 10 percent give or take a little you can go straight to the fire hardened process without any cambium left on the back. Of course that was not the case with the 3 day bow experiment. We are going to "try" to do this faster than 3 days soon. Just waiting on cooler weather. Keith will be in Idaho anyway for while. We are going to attempt to do this in 24 hours and we will leave the cambium on if it sticks. The bark and cambium will come off clean now anyway. Hope that helps.

@gabrielmusk8071

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeckumOutdoors It helps. Thanks for the reply and for putting out this content. The ancients would be impressed. I purchased the dvd.

Has anyone tried this drying process with white oak?

I probably missed it but how long is that bow. By the way you fellers got me smoking a bow now.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha "smoking a bow". That's good. Hope you get a nice bow from your efforts.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I believe it was 66 inches but Keith keep the bow so i may be wrong.

@robertcarte95

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I been trad hunting near 40 years. Now the primitive bug has bit! Lol

Do you know of anyone trying this with Ash? I'm not sure there is any Hickory available to me but there is plenty of Ash.

@keithshannon4410

2 жыл бұрын

i have heard it works well.

@TheTurinturumbar

2 жыл бұрын

Plenty of Ash sounds divine. But I shouldn't complain. I've got Hazel to play with.

So impressive !! I have few questions about the fire hardening. 1. Drying green wood with coals is just a way of quick drying ? If I have the time, air drying is better method ? 2. During the fire hardening, it seems that flame does not touch the bow. It looks like it's just dry heat that touches the bow. So if i'm right it does not have to be coals to do fire hardening. Maybe I would use big oven and get same effect like using coals ? 3. Bow is fixed on the jig and it seems that most of heat is concentrated on the belly of the bow. Don't you do fire hardening on the back of the bow ? or bow wood is thin enough and heat is transmitted to the back ? 4. Is this method different from heat treatment ? I think fire hardening exposes bow to heat longer time than heat treatment. 5. Could I get more detailed information about fire hardening? For example, distance between bow and coals, time and temperature ? Sorry for my bad English. I'm not anglophone and thanks in advance. I'm looking forward to your next videos.

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your questions. To be honesty and up front all of your questions are answered on our video. The Art and Science of the Fire Hardened White Wood Bow. You can get a hard copy or a download at ShannonOutdoors.com Thanks for your interest.

@kennethbrown7350

4 жыл бұрын

As you seen in the drying process of this video of the smoking of the coals . The smoke in the process is just as important as the heat , my thought you probably could just with an oven but it still would be the same as say a very hard kiln dried piece of wood and therefore would not have the same outcome as you would have by doing this process over a bed of charcoal. Why!!! Because as you fire harden the bow its not only the heat that absorbs into the woos but also the smoke , which when you combine the two it fully changes the molecules/fibers in the wood . If you was to stick it in an electric oven it would take on to much heat to quick we're it's enclosed and would ruin a good bow stave or board , because you would be subjecting the back of the bow to way to much heat to quick and it would be about like baking biscuts in an oven so to speak. In my honest opinion the smoke from the charcoal soaking into the wood with the help from the heat is a major part in making the bow hydrophobic.

Have you ever experimented with Hackberry?

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

No just fast drying hickory. We have fire hardened hickory, elm, sweetgum, persimmon, and white oak. Fast drying other species of bow wood should be done. Hopefully others will start to experiment with bow woods not in our region. Vine Maple for example. It would be interesting to see what could be accomplished.

@bryonguenther6199

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, I bought your video. Great work!

Does the bow bend through the handle?

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

It can be done with any design.

Aquí en argentina hay árbol de nogal seria que también sirve pero no es igual a ese árbol hikory

Knots just add character to a bow.

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Sure it does. Some bowyer's like them some people do not. I like clean knot free wood. No one is right or wrong.

Can you fire harden Osage?

@BeckumOutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Osage is a great bow wood . It has good compression and tension. I don't believe osage would benefit from the process.

Como se llama el árbol con el que hacen esos arcos tan buenos

@Cas-sq9sc

3 жыл бұрын

Hickory

@dennischavez7886

3 жыл бұрын

Nogal

@josegodoy9160

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennischavez7886 muchas gracias por responder mi pregunta

I Heat temper my bows in a old truck for a week, most day it will go over 120° Fahrenheit

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

That will dry wood but not temper or fire hardened. It takes alot of heat to do this procedure.

Could I use a dead peace of wood that that has fell or broke naturally.

@TheTurinturumbar

2 жыл бұрын

Try and see, if it fails you had some fun and now know.

@chickennuggetinagutter.7864

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheTurinturumbar I know now I’ve made a few bows it’s fun.

@TheTurinturumbar

2 жыл бұрын

@@chickennuggetinagutter.7864 did you take dead standing or did you go with freshly broken off?

@chickennuggetinagutter.7864

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheTurinturumbar My uncle was working for a company who cut down trees and got me a good piece of hickory.

@TheTurinturumbar

2 жыл бұрын

@@chickennuggetinagutter.7864 your uncle is an arborist? Lucky bastard.

i thought hickory didn't develop checks

@BeckumOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Any wood can develop cracks or checks if not treated properly.