I do feel like it would be better for the quest line as a whole if the game emphasized that Fritz and Matthew were longtime/childhood friends with Henry which would justify the next level patience Henry has for his friends.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

2 жыл бұрын

You do get to see some of that during the prologue but that's generally a problem with everybody from Skalitz. For example Johanka only turns up to warn you the bailiff is coming, but you're supposed to know her when you meet her at Sassau monastery. Theresa's story in The Womans' Lot DLC does give you some time with the Skalitz villagers, but it might have been nice to have a bit more time in the village before it burns.

I love how the describtion of the "Gold cross" is "Give that cross back, you thieving bastard."

In my last quest with Matthew and Fritz, I stole the 3000 groschen from the talmberg quarry and stored it with my horse. It automatically made me tell them I kept the money and they both fought me (and they failed miserably) 😂 I don't know why people have a soft spot for them. They are the WORST friends and make me do everything and more. I had no sympathy keeping all that money lol

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, I didn't know you auto-kept it if you put it on your horse! And yeah, they're divisive characters. People either remember that they're Henry's childhood friends or that they're scum, which leads to people either trying to save them or comdemning them to death. That divisiveness is good character development IMHO, it makes you think.

@NDot85

3 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD I agree. They're there for a reason. I thought robbing them and leaving them once and for all (not killing them) was my way of showing that Henry outgrew them and their mischievous deeds. If I was doing the score, it was my final one and I was going to make sure they knew they were done taking advantage of me.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

@@NDot85 That's the last formal quest, but if you have the The Ashes DLC you can recruit them to your town and after a judgement where you threaten them with expulsion they will be *slightly* positive contributors to your town. So after all that you can, just barely, redeem them.

@Subarashii_Nem

Жыл бұрын

Playing and making choices as I would, I snitch and my reasons are: 1) They make you do EVERYTHING to prepare and make you even rob the money and they do absolutely nothing but wait for you to finish. 2) They tried to lie to you about it by saying you're robbing Cumans and Sigismunds men. It's only after you call Mathew out he tells you that you're stealing from innocent, hard working people. 3) They wanna steal from honest hard working people who have done absolutely nothing but work for that money. 4) You're robbing from Talmberg, the place of the lord that saved your life, took you in, protected you and continues to help you. In the DLC Divish even gives you an entire village that, once you get up and running, you keep all the proceeds for the next 5years at least. 5) You do so much for them, get them jobs, sort out the messes they get themselves in and they still want more from you and do nothing for you in return. Even if you get them to Pribyslavitz, you have to yet again step in and force them to actually work before they do anything. The only reason I have for not snitching is the extra 20g (10 for each) at Pribyslavitz. Which is negligible at best once you have it up and running anyway. They're lazy, incompetent and they cause only problems wherever they go. They expect Henry to bail them out of everything yet talk to him and treat him like some garbage errand boy. To top it off, you HAVE to finish the robbery even though if you have Pribyslavitz all ready, they shouldn't need that money because they have a home, job security and a decent paying job there waiting but no, they just want free money and their excuse is "BuT wE wErE aTtAcKeD". So was every other Skalitz resident yet even Kanush gets off his rump and works for you without giving you problems and genuinely shows gratitude for it. If Kanush, the drunken, loudmouth, violent idiot will change and actually work for his keep, there's no reason these 2 lazy parasites can't. Yet they always pull the "woe it's me" act but do NOTHING to help themselves or better their situation. They just want everyone else to fix the messes they get themselves into and then act like they did you a favour. So yeah, unless I want maximum profit at Pribyslavitz (Which I forget about after a week in game and have no need to collect the money anyway) I grass them up. I side with Andrew because instead of dropping him in, he actually has sense to NOT steal directly from a Lord for 1k. That's just so stupid it beggars belief. Not sure if this is still a hot take but I remember in the early life of this game, not liking these 2 lazy, good for nothing leeches was actually quite a polarising take.

@silversnail1413

Жыл бұрын

Considering my playstyle, I just couldn't judge them. I pretty stole from everyone and killed whoever I pleased. I broke into the monastery and stabbed Pious to death because I was too lazy to do the stupid and horribly designed monk quest, which is surely enough to earn Henry a one-way ticket to hell anyway. With all the numerous atrocities I committed in this game, stealing from some workers seemed relatively minor and I even stealth killed them just to ensure there wouldn't be problems with the guards. After all, it's a dog-eat-dog world out there.

I always follow Henry's father advice, it's better to fight in wits and that always works

I think that beating up Thomas is the canon method. If you meet Matthew and Fritz in the inn after this, they will mention beating Thomas up, stealing his ring and getting kicked out of the mill. So even if you do put Thomas at ease or forve him to leave, the outcome is the same.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

It might be the case, but I'm not sure that that refers to any beating Henry took part in because they didn't actually take Thomas' ring.

instead of directly sorting out problem with Thomas, it is better to pickpocket scarf from him and then threaten him to leave Fritz and Mathew alone, that way he won't put any extra conditions and he will pay them extra for the job.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a hidden option to look for the scarf. Presumably if you're spoken with the Millmaid but the scarf is there regardless.

During the quest to recover Adam's kettle and money, one of the charcoal burners will give you a "standard" ring if you accuse him of being the one who looted. That ring is a "magical" stealth ring. I think it lowers your sound and visibility. It's the guy with the same character model as Miller Simon

@TheTdw2000

2 ай бұрын

I'm guessing it's a LOTR reference.

Hidden tip: If you question one of the innocent charcoal burners and succeed with the Initmidate option you will get a unique "Standard ring" which improves your stealth.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Never tried that.

I always took it that the foreman did actually kill the Millmans son

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

There's no definitive proof either way. I've gone and looked for the place where I think the accident took place but there's nothing you can find so it's literally how you want to interpret it. But I strongly suspect that he's taking advantage of the situation at the least, even if he didn't actually arrange for the millman's son to die.

@IrrationalDelusion

2 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD otherwise bandits would have taken his belongings. This is too Christian. Probably the writers of the bible didn't think of such situations

@Subarashii_Nem

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he did it. I think it was an accident by the fact no one suspects him and the fact him and the son were good friends. I personally think he's telling the truth and he's overly harsh because he wants to do right by the son and have a successful mill in his memory. After all everyone praises the son for him being a good foreman and a hard worker. I think Thomas is projecting and trying to force people a little too much because his standards were set by the son and probably inflated since his death. I don't think he did it tho, how could he know when, where and how the wagon would fall and fall on the guy? He's just a Miller, not a precognitiant evil master mind.

@Andy-iq6rk

Жыл бұрын

I think he did since the second he sees the millers daughter with the sons scarf he runs off not even trying to excuse himself or defend himself in anyway. Instead he sees the scarf and knows the jig is up and runs away rather than face his boss. I will say this, could've been an accident but Thomas might have chosen not to help seeing it as an opportunity.

@forevertoremain

Жыл бұрын

​@@Andy-iq6rk I agree. Well said. So kicking Thomas out isn't such a bad thing after all! 🎉

(Ahh you cover it.) You can also pick Thomas’ pocket, finding the dead brother’s handkerchief on him and then threaten him with it (if you got the miller’s daughter to tell you her story.) Thomas will decide to run away then. It’s kind of sad.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's no obviously "good" choice. On the one hand Thomas is doing what he thinks will protect the Mill, his intentions are good even if his methods are poor. On the other hand driving away Thomas is better for the Mill but who is Henry to make that choice for them? So no obvious choices at the Mill ..

@IrrationalDelusion

2 жыл бұрын

​@@SequentialGamer_KCD it's a choice made by lying and implying. Would anyone leave their friend's body in the forests for thieves to pick?

@SequentialGamer_KCD

2 жыл бұрын

@@IrrationalDelusion True, I'm no supporter of Thomas. But the question is whether it's up to Henry to save the millers even though they don't want to be saved. It's not clearcut, at least to me.

@jobo2243

2 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD well it's not that the Miller doesn't want to be saved it's that he is in denial he doesn't even know that there is something for him to be saved from if he was 100% convinced of what actually happened to his son and the effect it had on his daughter I extremely doubt that he would want him to continue working there let alone trying to court and marry his daughter. I think the "good" or at least best option is to at least allow them to have complete information surrounding the incident and allow them to do with that information what they please the daughter murdering him is just what he gets that's what happens when you do evil you bring it upon yourself as well it doesn't just go away forever. I think the quest is less about what your friends want or what work needs to be done (especially considering the carpentry work is finished when they leave anyway) and the mystery surrounding the death/murder of a son/brother.

In my head canon Reeky came back to Ledetchko, married Jane and took over the mill after selling the tannery. People know him as Miller Hinek now.

There is another version of the outcome of events, satisfactory for everyone. We give the scarf to the miller's daughter, then we talk with Fritz and go to beat Thomas, who was about to play dice. After the cutscene, Jane comes and shows the scarf, after which Thomas, beaten, disappears from the mill forever.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

Жыл бұрын

Is Jane's dialogue different from when you just give her the scarf?

@schwarzesfleisch5809

Жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD not at all

@forevertoremain

Жыл бұрын

​@@schwarzesfleisch5809 so he is the outcome different?

@forevertoremain

Жыл бұрын

Is this the only way that Thomas leaves the mill?

@schwarzesfleisch5809

Жыл бұрын

@@forevertoremain If I remember correctly, yes. It's just that the beating and exile option is more fair, as for me. You can just give the scarf to Jane and Thomas will run away.

You can ask Matthew and Fritz to help you with the Charcoal Burner quest, but they refuse.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, not surprised to be honest, they're pretty useless after all!

Man, Henry and co. beating up Thomas alone really gives me mafia vibes lol

This whole quest just made me feel sad for everyone involved

@SequentialGamer_KCD

2 жыл бұрын

Mathew and Fritz are prety bad characters overall

its nice to see there's these alternative ways

After 5 years and multiple playthroughs I hear for the first time that there is more depth to Ledetchko mill and it´s story. How did I miss it? The only thing I ever did was persuasion (insta solving) or brawls with Thomas. Never actually was I able to speak with Jane the millmaid, nor to get any useful information out of the miller himself! Guess it is time for another playthrough :)

If you talk to the mill formin about the scarf after getting the story from the daughter he makes up a story about it being lost in the mud from the rain so when you find it on him it's clear that he was lieing about the events of that night. Honestly I'm unclear if he meant to kill the brother or it happened by accident because of his incompetence because multiple people will call that out but he definitely has bad intentions about taking over the mill and having his way with jane once he has that power.

I think Thomas really is responsible for murder, and even if he isn't he stole Martin's scarf, which is despicable in of itself. I don't think you are framing him for murder if you take the scarf and go directly to Jane, as much as the scarf itself is. It's Jane that really implies so, and he doesn't even bother denying it.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he killed him, or wanted him to die, pretty sure he's not a good enough actor to fool Jane's brother. He did want Jane though so he stepped into the role and ruined the mill.

Darn, got the bag from the charcoal burner (he handed it to me without a fight) and took it straight to Adam.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he does give you the bag pretty readily. But he also conveniently "forgets" to mention the cross and the quest log leaves it up to the player to remember about the cross. I love that it rewards you for paying attention.

@amartyrsconfession1611

3 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD I’m guessing it’s too late to get it now. Also in the back of one of the huts there are charcoal bags surrounded with blood. The investigate button pops up but nothing happened when I pushed the button.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

@@amartyrsconfession1611 That's for a main quest further down the line that involves the same charboal burner camp. Strictly speaking it shouldn't be there until the event in the quest happens but it's a minor thing.

I also hate that I watched this after I did this mission

@SequentialGamer_KCD

2 жыл бұрын

I always recommend people play the game first according to their own playstyle first and watch guides later. That way you get to play the game your way first.

5:49 the guy in the left looks like matthias

@SequentialGamer_KCD

2 жыл бұрын

There's lots of re-use of faces and voices in the game. Understandable, it costs a lot of money to do that.

@frns_lmao

2 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD yeah it's just weird to see familiar faces in different people

Matthew rather likes it at the mill and fancies the miller’s daughter a bit. So he’s disappointed about needing to move on so soon.

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he does want to get with the daughter. The first time I did this quest I tried my damnest to make sure they could stay. I drove off Thomas even though it's not a very moral choice and assumed that they'd get cushy jobs .. but the two miscreants ran off. I was mad at them to say that least.

What happens if you kill Thomas? Is the quest flagged as failed? Do your friends call you murderer?

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 ай бұрын

There's an option to assault him instead of having a fist fight. Don't think you can actually kill him though

For some reason I didn’t get the choice to hand the cross over to Adam

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

It's a fiddly quest. You have to speak to Adam first before you find the cross and if you go to Andrew first then you won't be able to hand the cross to Adam.

@armandoalves-ferreira749

3 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD can you speak to Adam when you first arrive at Rattay-Rataje or after a certain quest is completed?

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

@@armandoalves-ferreira749 I don't know exactly when the quest becomes available, guessing after Masquarade is done, but you can't speak to Adam about this quest when you first come to Rattay.

@armandoalves-ferreira749

3 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD Much appreciated. On a side note, the Masquarade quest seemed to have been cut short. The hole point of the quest was to ambush likely pillagers on their way out of skalitz was it not?. look forward to more of your work, Keep up the great content !

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

@@armandoalves-ferreira749 You could see it that way I suppose, but there's also the quarry robbery quest so maybe that's intended to be the robbbery they talk about. But it's true that you don't get to use the "real" cuman gear after this. And thanks, appreciate the discussion and the kind words!

When ppl are criticizing Bethesda's dumb ass quest, everyone brings up new Vegas but kcd puts them to shame as well. The quest are so good 😃.

Can you really use that ´´cuman´´ disguise u collect in one of those quests? :D They really sounded very convinced about that. Anyway, not favorite quest to me - its so nosy to deal with it :D seems best to either talk it out with him or lure him for asskicking. No matter what, dudes gonna run off anyway :D

@SequentialGamer_KCD

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately there's no gameplay mechanics for the "true cuman" disguise. But I did roleplay that Henry was clearing cuman camps while wearing it. He wasn't going to put up with "fake cumans" running around.

after beating thomas in fight 3 vs 3 i cant talk to miller, what should i do?

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

If you had the fight you've already decided the quest. Thomas will leave the lads alone and all will be well .. until they move to the Inn at the Glade. No need to speak to the Miller any more.

@Am1neee

2 жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD thank you man i thought my game was bugged

@carolynhernandez6157

Жыл бұрын

@@SequentialGamer_KCD what about if your tricked the idiot Thomas into playing dice and jumped him, will your friends still be at the Inn in the Glade? And how long do i have to wait for them to be there

@SequentialGamer_KCD

Жыл бұрын

@@carolynhernandez6157 They should be, you'll have to pass by the inn regularly because there's no marker.

12:40 nawwwww look tinny Mathew

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm, good point .. never noticed how small he seems relative to Henry!

6:00 best :DDDDDDD czech

6:00 is this Milan from Skaliz?

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

He's not meant to be but he's definitely wearing similar clothes, isn't he?

hey how to activate the inn in the glade quest??

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

They'll move there after some time. You can't accelerate it.

@mistersandwich0034

3 жыл бұрын

ahh i see. thanks

This quest made me cringe because of the amount of groschen I have in my bag while my two friends are working at this dump is pretty ridiculous

@SequentialGamer_KCD

2 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of quests that don't make sense if you have thousands of groshen. I typically do as many quests as possible before seeing Sir Radzig in order to keep the "peasant" feel.

Where is Adam?! I can't find him!

@SequentialGamer_KCD

3 жыл бұрын

Adam should be in Rattay. He works in the tavern closest to the eastern exit, the one close to the training ground where you find Bernard.

how to find the scarf?

@SequentialGamer_KCD

2 жыл бұрын

It's in the guy's inventory. PIckpocket it while he's sleeping.

@mistersandwich0034

2 жыл бұрын

lol i just knock him out in the fight and then i never see him again

Bout to do this quest just to beat the shite out of this guy lol

@SequentialGamer_KCD

4 жыл бұрын

Fist fighting is oddly satisfying for some reason :D

oh man, always fun to choke out fritz

@SequentialGamer_KCD

Жыл бұрын

Could anyone argue that Fritz doesn't deserve a choking?