Peterbilt and Kenworth are the premium grades of Class 8 trucks, sought after by Owner/Operators. Freightliner is a value-based truck, liked by the big fleets for its cheap upfront cost.

@dontrustwhiteyevery1

Жыл бұрын

Low maintenance.

@j.m.5995

Жыл бұрын

I prefer a nice Volvo thank you very much. 16 years driving experience

@salem9477

Жыл бұрын

I own my freightliner. I don't disagree, Kenworth probably make a nicer truck, but it probably doesn't make you more money. I do it for the money, some people love being away, which I can understand. Freightliner is cheap to run. For example indicator switch in freightliner is about $500 less than Kenworth. Air tank bleed valves are about half the price. My series 60 is alot cheaper to rebuild than an old cat. Around 1/3 if you pay a mechanic. Alot less if diy. This doesn't matter to companies as they have warranty etc but for a owner, it matters. This will be the ev downfall. They will have terrible resale if the battery packs don't last.

Freight liner can go 1000 miles before stopping to fuel for 6 -9 minutes.

I haven’t driven a Tesla truck, but I do drive a fleet of 2022 natural gas Freightliner Cascadias. With about 6000 miles on each tractor, I’ve spent countless hours broken down waiting for a tow. It shouldn’t be too difficult for Tesla to be better.

Some of the greatest and most used machines in history seemingly disappeared in less than a generation when a radical reconception came along. Steam engines, typewriters and film cameras being recent examples. The only question that needs to be answered is if the new tech is an actual improvement.

@steveeddy6876

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry remember new technology is always Maintenance FREE I think GM coined that phrase

At 2:26 is the dash of a Volvo. Volvo also has an electric truck, with the similar dash as the Diesel version.

@mgmx2099

Жыл бұрын

Freightliner also has one. I like the fact that they're both keeping the driver's seat where they belong.

This will be interesting to see what will happen. I drive trucks and been doing so for 6 years now. I mostly drove freightliners (my favorite trucks) so it will be interesting to see what the tesla can do to out compete them.

@andrewsaint6581

Жыл бұрын

It will. I started in transport in 1978 in UK. Even going to the Anaheim truck show back in the day, taxi to the local 76 truck stop for steak and beer breakfast. UK truckstops are a travesty in most towns. That was when Renault had just bought Mack. Using their de-tuned tank engine for the Renault Magnum. Edit: I had to Google it. 1990

Great video! Proving that diesel is absolutely the king! Electric technology has a long, long, and even longer way to go before coming close to diesel power. Side note - the tiny little back seat in the Tesla, is not space for a sleeper. Here is a challenge - spend 2 to 4 weeks out on the road and try sleeping in that sardine can.

@PierreH1968

Жыл бұрын

500 miles autonomy while loaded means you will drive 8 hours before stopping for charging... This sardine can is larger, than most truck, you'll have options for sleeping nicely, when you realize it's a truck not an appartement. You'll get a bed when it's available

@kevinthomes1046

Жыл бұрын

@@PierreH1968 You have no idea of what you are talking about.

@PierreH1968

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinthomes1046 tell me why? Please tell me more than that empty statement.

The Tesla semi looks like an excellent Yard Truck

Problem with semi is, that tesla tried to revolutionize trucking, but get lost mid way. They built a truck with range for lang range trucking, but used cab for short range, so it pulls load and battery, that it wouldn't use. Also we can see, that it was made by car engineers. Not by truck engineers, so i can see some things missing. And as the weight is now known and as expected. It is bad compared to normal truck.

@zeronim1965

Жыл бұрын

"and battery, that it wouldn't use" First 2-3 years, but after some degradation you'll use all the battery :) and even eventually you'll need to replace battery, but it's another story of "high efficiency and enviroment safe".

@skipwood2059

Жыл бұрын

Tesla is hiring semi engineers to solve the ergonomic issues. Standby.

The Tesla tractor is better for short haul trips under 500 miles. But for long haul, the Freightliner Cascadia can refuel faster and with a crew if two can be moving 20 out of 24 hours. Refueling is quicker in the Freightliner Cascadia than charging the Tesla tractor. You notice the lack of sleeping space in the Tesla. Hence it is a short haul truck

@danielch6662

Жыл бұрын

There is a company in Australia called Janus Electric converting diesel trucks that need a full engine overhaul near the million km mark. Instead of throwing away an otherwise functional truck, you replace the powertrain with an electric one. They take out the engine, fuel tank, and all that stuff and give it back to the customer to use as spare parts for their remaining fleet, and replace it with electric stuff. The interesting part is they built a station that can easily swap out the battery in 5-min. A fleet will just buy extra batteries and place these stations along their regular route. The batteries are slow charged so you don't need expensive new transmission lines from the power company. Or if you can get cheaper off-peak rates, they can be scheduled, and charging these super large truck batteries actually help even out the load on the power grid.

Was anything mentioned about how long it will take to charge the Tesla ? In trucking, time is money.

@waynealan2226

Жыл бұрын

Not from this video, however, other sources say that on the new Megawatt Chargers being installed in metropolitan areas the system will charge to 70% of the 500 mile capacity battery system in approximately 30 minutes. My concern would be the typical mentality of those people who are adversed to Tesla specifically and EV's in general unplugging the charging cable mid-charge. Sadly such activity is extremely common. Personally, I think tampering with a vehicle when it is charging should be made a misdemeanor on the level of vandalism, on both state and federal levels, with upgrade of the penalty to a felony after three such convictions. But that's just me. Are we really headed for EV Semi's the answer is obviously yes.

@ronwatson4135

Жыл бұрын

@@waynealan2226 -- Until they get the Power Grid that is going to handle all of this, I can see Nightmares ahead.

@kysfoo2324

Жыл бұрын

They say it will take about 20 or 30 mins. Even worse it only goes 500 miles when its full on battery

@Tron-Jockey

Жыл бұрын

@@ronwatson4135 - The average new home (split-phase 120V at 200A service) is nearly 48kW. A typical neighborhood substation/transformer might feed 50 homes (2.4 MegaWatts). I don't see your nightmare.

@PierreH1968

Жыл бұрын

So you like the idea of a bed in the back, but you are afraid that charging might take more than 40 minutes.... with an autonomy of 500 miles, you are worried about taking a 40 minute break every 8 hours.... ?????????? are you a slave?

Thank you for a fair, objective presentation. I want one of each!

If you bung up the door on a Freightliner, you have hundreds of places to get a replacement. Where do you go for a Tesla door? And how long to get it?

Texas deer be on the side of the highway waiting for those Teslas trucks though 😅

Your presentation is right on with voice and timing. Stay withy what you are doing. Great job. I subscribed.

Schneider, Sysco & Meijer have all added Freightliner Cascadia EVs to their fleets.

OK, the Tesla Tech is super cool however there are some challenges yet to overcome such as: 1. If you can always get power from zero emission power plants then it is a zero emission vehicle. How if the electricity to recharge come from coal then you are just moving the pollution to somewhere else to make yourself feel better. 2. While the horsepower helps the tesla get to speed faster that really isn't what you need in a Semi doing long hauls. You need torque to keep the load moving up hills and down mountains etc. Unfortunately here the Tesla falls rather short with half the torque that diesels Semi trucks can produce, actually my diesel pickup truck makes more torque than the tesla diesel. 3. 500 miles on a charge sounds great until you realize modern Semi trucks can go 1800 miles on a single fill up and take less than 20 minutes for that fill up. Also when you get into the mountain ranges and suck down the battery charge much more quickly than normal requiring charges much more often than normal and spending an hour or more doing perform each charge than driving over flat terrain would and you no longer have 500 miles of range, for an example of this watch the electric vehicle videos on the "TFL Truck" channel, a Tesla Model X pulling it's max load required a recharge after pulling the trailer up an 8 mile 7% grade and using regen down the other side and a ford electric F-150 can't pull its max load even 150 miles on relatively flat terrain without needing a recharge so the team had to turn around and go back to their shop when the battery hit 50%. I am excited to see what they can do with this tech over time but right now it is for inner city and maybe inter county, but here in the west where the states are large it isn't even a intra state truck because 500 miles might get you there (remember the mountains). But by the time you charge enough to get home your allowed driving time will have expired and you don't even have a bed to sleep in while you take your mandatory 10 brake before driving back to base. This also means that a max charged delivery and return takes 2 days to complete and that simply is not acceptable, all this does at present is makes trucker earn less money because deliveries take twice as long and make the consumer of the products wait longer to receive their ordered items and store shelves to be empty more often.

You should be comparing a Cascadia day cab to the Tesla. There’s a huge difference.

charging seems to be an issue in the cold temperatures. so, I would say infrastructure is imperative to keeping the fleet operational.

@JensSchraeder

Жыл бұрын

Charging is an issue period. Who wants to wait to charge? Especially with tight deadlines.

@timorum

Жыл бұрын

The batteries precondition - so no not an issue.

@timorum

Жыл бұрын

@@JensSchraeder You only have to wait if you exceed 500 miles..... in which case you'll probably need to stop for lunch regardless.. is it really an issue? if it charges while your sleeping then how much time do you loose? how long does it take to fill a semi with diesel?

@NURGLESBLESSING

Жыл бұрын

@@timorum 5minutes. And yes if you now also have to fight for a spot to park and charge. Its already kinda chaotic finding parking when the sun starts Togo down why make it more chaotic?

im all in on the tesla,. you sound Canadian,.lol nice voice, a great comparison video,. great job sir,. well done

I'm wondering what happens when you have a computer issue on a Tesla Semi??? Do you have it towed to Tesla in Texas or China?

Plan on a repeat of what Tesla did for passenger cars over the last 10 years, but in the class 8 space.

@shenanitims4006

Жыл бұрын

Spark the industry into action by making affordable electronic vehicles? Might not be the action Tesla wants, but it’ll be what it gets if successful.

@salem9477

Жыл бұрын

So nothing then. Even Tesla owners claim to only save a few hundred each year vs their gas guzzlers. Hardly a smart economical choice, and trucking is all about $$$$

Very well stated.

What about charging ? Time loss during charging especially on OTR drivers etc.

@albertkrussell5295

Жыл бұрын

Here is an idea. Like older flip phone’s battery, or ammunition magazines, they could pe-charged batteries and replace it when a truck arrives. Swap out with the old battery. This could be a huge business just to replace a battery. This will only work all the EV truck manufacturers agreed to my idea.

the 3406 caterpiller was built to run 10 million miles with properly timed overhauls. Millions of these engines remain in service around the world. They also don't require an 8 year old to mine your cobalt for your batteries while giving him the gift of cancer. If the companies that produce cobalt would actually use machines to do the mining its likely that you wouldn't be able to afford a tesla. The miners get about $1 per day. x 15,000 workers = $15,000 per day. Pretty cheap compared when compared to the cost of using and maintaining a fleet of mining equipment. Plenty of videos on the interwebs about this if you're not too jaded to watch... You could almost say that anyone that drives an ev is a fan of child labor.

"How's my voice?" you ask. I like your narrative style. It sounds very professional, but most importantly, it is clear and easy to understand. You articulate words very well and avoid the pitfalls of talking too fast and slurring, which is common among KZreadrs unfortunately. So good job! keep it up, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! As far as the subject matter of this video, of course it is clear that Tesla's Semi is very promising, but something worries me: The almost total absence of switches, buttons, levers, and knobs. In other words, physical controls. This is a major problem because it affects safety. A well-designed ergonomic control panel helps keep the driver's eyes on the road, as you correctly pointed out when describing the Freighliner. Sure, the Teslarati may respond to this by claiming that Tesla's auto-pilot and self-driving features make up for the driver's inability to keep his eyes on the road while using the touch screen controls, but that is a flawed argument. My hope is that Tesla engineers will come back to their senses and realize their mistake, and introduce real controls in next year's models. We are already seen some of this with their decision to offer a real steering wheel in their cars, instead of the highly uncomfortable and dangerous "yoke" they've been fitting their cars with.

Hey Musk let me try one of these hauling equipment around the Bay Area ! Would this truck be able to power hydraulic pumps for trailers with hydraulic systems?

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

Apply. Tesla is testing their Semis doing their own runs between their California sites, and they're constantly hiring.

@JensSchraeder

Жыл бұрын

Great point.

@jnmtransport

Жыл бұрын

@@RealShawnPate I’d like them To give me a truck and I’ll put it to work!! Gently put it to the test, I’m looking to buy a Pete but it makes no sense to pay$250k for a truck, I’d rather have a Tesla as long as it works ! No DEF issues!!!

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

@@jnmtransport The whole DEF issue sucks. Almost as bad as our logbooks here in Australia. Try drive for Tesla. It's short runs, reasonable hours, good money, and you get to play with the new toys on their bill.

@Henry_D

Жыл бұрын

@@RealShawnPate Are you with Tesla? If you are: nice ad. If you aren't: Tesla is not exactly known for "reasonable hours"

Freightliner has its own BEV truck. One that doesn’t sacrifice payload.

@Tron-Jockey

Жыл бұрын

Sacrifices range though, less than half the range. Oh, you missed that. So what's better, more payload at the expense of range or more range at the expense of payload? How often do you weigh in at 80,000 lbs? By the way, the Tesla Semi will weigh just under 25,000 lbs which allows up to 47,000 lbs of payload with a 10,000 lb trailer. Considering that the average payload is between 36,000 and 44,000 lbs. Consider as well that a diesel must account for between 4,000 and 5,000 lbs of fuel. I don't see the "sacrifice", perhaps you can enlighten me.

@m1procter

Жыл бұрын

@@Tron-Jockey I didn’t miss it. It’s the main trade off: battery mass for payload mass. The trade-off I believe is related to schedule-ability. If your payload is known and lower than standard trucks, then more range is better. If you’re doing something like drayage where the load is variable and you don’t know if you’re sending an electric or diesel, then you want to know that you can collect any standard load. If you have to keep your BEV truck waiting for only loads it can carry, then that truck isn’t making money. Scheduled food delivery is an ideal application for an EV truck.

"The Semis will haul Frito-Lay food products for around 425 miles (684 km), but for heavier loads of sodas, the trucks will initially do shorter trips of around 100 miles (160 km), O'Connell said." @reuters Nothing to add here, the sepficiation of the Semi aren't their yet, so can't conclude, it looks quite odd that no one can disclose the range vs load, weight of the Semi...

@dikkybee4003

Жыл бұрын

Of course they won't as it will harm their sale figures. Musk isn't an idiot.

@andrewsaint6581

Жыл бұрын

@@dikkybee4003 it won't. Upto 80% of vehicles run underweight I baffled Volvo by asking them to downplate 4x2 units from 38,000kg down to 20,000kg (44k lbs) gross to save tens of £000's over the contract duration. PepsiCo make crisps/chips weight for these things, bedding, furniture, packaging materials, even bread is minimal and local even that market is vast.

@danielch6662

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewsaint6581 It's ego. Elon is stuck because he promised his fans an electric semi that can both _go 500 miles_ AND _haul as much freight as a diesel_ . Somethings are simply impossible in engineering, no matter how much pressure he puts on his engineers. The breakthrough will have from the battery industry. They got the range by putting lots of batteries on the Frito-Lay trucks, but there is so much battery, they now can't haul as much as a diesel. I'm guessing this gap is quite big, and that is why they haven't put the truck into production yet. And extra batteries are expensive. For the Pepsi trucks, they removed all the extra batteries, and what do you know, the truck CAN haul as much freight as a regular diesel. But now it can't even hit 300 miles when empty. ie not much better than other manufacturers' EV class 8 semis, that are already in production. Eg the Pepsi version of Tesla's Semi has nearly the same range as BYD's 8TT. That has already been in production since 2020. In fact they are now at version 3. The CRM at Tesla sucks because everybody is afraid of delivering bad news to Elon.

@NURGLESBLESSING

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewsaint6581 by that standard 79k gross is underweight.....

@andrewsaint6581

Жыл бұрын

@@NURGLESBLESSING depending on the load, 79k could be illegal. You have to be aware of individual axle loads as well. What is your transport background?

While the Cascadia is probably the best the semi truck industry has to offer, it's just an expected iteration, i.e. next year's model. But the Tesla semi is the FUTURE. It will only get better and better. Tesla has proven for over 10 years their ability to improve and improve quickly is almost alien. The hand writing is on the wall, it's Tesla's game to lose. The ball is in their court.

@Mannymac25

Жыл бұрын

All they need is chargers stations and more range once they can reach 800 miles you have a game changer but 500 tops with hr recharge time at no locations still not a competition

@unitrader403

4 ай бұрын

​@@Mannymac25yep, and they arent really known for building a charging network from scratch... /s

Diesel will be around for a long time. Tesla is on the right track. In time we will see how Tesla performs on ice and if there are truly less accidents

Tesla Semi

@TeslaCarWorld

Жыл бұрын

Love Tesla Semi

I saw the Frito-Lay truck yesterday at Santa Fe and Geer road North of Turlock, Ca. My problem with them is the appearance . They are just plain ugly. I could live with the electric part. I’ve been driving Diesel trucks for 58 years. Never thought I would like an Allison automatic either but I do. This is the future!

Tesla's Semi should have Cameras for Mirrors, like Mercedes Benz Truck Actros has, would make it so much cooler

The Cascadia has a sleeper cab. This nullifies the whole video.

what about snow and iceand sub zero weather

Torque is the number for freight movement. Dd15 has 1800 ish Torque Freightliner has more power

we will see...will the truck stops have enough charging stations???? and what will the cost be??

I would like try Tesla

@TeslaCarWorld

Жыл бұрын

Yepp

You did not do any cost of ownership use or maintenance evaluation.

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

Yup. 👍 Is there anything more important?

@NURGLESBLESSING

Жыл бұрын

>tesla maintenance and repair in the even of any breakdown >step 1 evaluate >step 2 burned out headlight >step 3 tow to dealer since replacement isn't operator lvl and the truck detects a safe driving hazard and nolonger moves over 5mph

That ladder right in the middle of the freightliner is crap. If its down you can forget any easy access to the bottom bunk. Volvo's ladder is more ideal located on the side of the opening

I welcome Tesla to the industry & will purchase one for my company I’m tired of diesel mechanics ripping me off & the constant brake downs.

@daveblock

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense. There is no charging network so unless you only have to go out 200 miles or less it’s worthless

You got the name wrong it’s not freightliner it’s freight shaker😂 Now as for the Tesla looked at what engineering specs I could get on it seems pretty impressive. Yes, the distance isn’t perfect but to be quite honest a lot of people in the long haul industry are finding ways to manipulate the books to get the distance further than what they say . Now if you’re taking a proper break in your day and are down for 30 minutes, that’s 30 minutes of charging I could see the possibility that you could put some decent distance on the Tesla truck in a workday. That would mean though everyone was following the rules/laws.🤨🤔. When I first was driving back in 2005, so yes I’m not exactly an old driver but I had thought about why they don’t put the seat in the center of the cab and build everything back off of that sort of a captains seat. I called it in at that time there were a few drivers that didn’t disagree that it might be a good idea out on the road. What’s interesting is Tesla does it now all sudden it’s like the black plague. OK so now let’s look at the specifications for the Tesla at least some of the information I’ve gotten. It’s got three electric motors that’s from my understanding aren’t much bigger. They may be a football or basketball, and two of them are what they call accelerant motors, which assist with accelerating and heavy loads. One is calibrated a little different through gearing that one is designed for highway drive units and is always active and now as for power for these things. now I could be wrong but the way I understand it each motor produces 1000 hp so that means it’s got a lot of power when it needs it specially when those other two motors kick in for going up hills, etc.. now the best I can find is the torque value of 7000 for the Platt motor. That’s foot pounds so I don’t know if that was individual or altogether but that’s still a whole lot more than my diesel can put out. Now the next thing that I found interesting is the fact electrics can haul 82,000 pounds gross vehicle yes that includes the weight of the vehicle the weight of the person so if you want to those truck drivers that weighs 400 pounds that kind of reduces your load a little all your supplies in your cab plus the load and the weight of the trailer but at 82,000 pounds that would mean you have a little more forgiveness than you do with a diesel. So couldn’t find the information I wanted for exact weight for hauling but with 82,000 pounds I would think it be able to haul pretty darn close to the same amount as a regular semi truck now yes I know we’ve got oversize loads and all that stuff, but I have found a little information talking about them hauling a lot more than that with the Tesla semi truck so the thing is capable exceeding the specifications, but time will tell what they’re gonna do when they get to that point for oversize loads could be something they have up in their sleeves for down the road. Now lastly, the 0 to 60 miles an hour in 20 seconds from what I gathered that’s fully loaded. The 500 miles is fully loaded and was also tested on a 5% grade so that would mean chances of you pulling that heavy all the time probably isn’t likely, but it does mean That it could go further. Also the cold weather is a factor in it but it sounds like they’ve tested that too with little affect to it so my thoughts are 500 miles is probably a pretty good distance if you’re stopping and charging for the 30 minute downtime that you normally have to do that would give you in 30 minutes 70% of those miles back and if you’re not using the full 500 miles when you charge 70% of whatever is left is pretty good means it’s probably gonna be charge pretty close to 100% and if you’re following rules and regulations you are not going to have 500 miles down by the time you hit your 30 minute break requirement. No, I’m not saying I’m some big tesla fan boy I am a trucker. I’ve done long-haul for a long time maybe not as long as some of you guys out there but long enough I have two safety awards under my belt and had a few problems over the years, which didn’t get me the other safety rewards so I’m not perfect , and I’d be surprised to see anyone that is perfect out there. The one thing I am is diligent on safety as well as following the laws even if I don’t agree with them so by all accounts doing the research, verifying as much as I can now I didn’t go into everything here. I see the Tesla semi truck is having potential, I watch the video years ago before they came out of a Tesla semi truck pulling over 150,000 pounds yes I know there are some heavier weights out there for oversize loads and I have no idea what the distances are when you do that, but they’re again potential I guess I don’t understand and I know it’s not just the old-timers so I’m not just gonna pick on you. They totally hate the idea of the Tesla semi. There’s also engineers out there who hate the idea maybe because they hadn’t figured it out yet how it works or didn’t come up with it themselves it is what it is the Tesla semi will improve over time and will see more and more of them out there. This industry has changed many times or we’d all still be driving 35 foot trailers and tractors with leaf springs without heated mirrors or many other things. Now, some of you might say that be great would have to have the logbook then.😂 but I’m gonna put it like this to you. Some of you aren’t very good with research. Probably some of you are if you are do the research I’ll tell you right now it’s not easy to find information at least all of it in one place, but it is interesting what you can find on it for the rest of you, give it some time. They will either prove themselves or not, but as of right now compared to other electrics they’re doing fantastic compared to a long haul diesel. Maybe they could improve the distance a little bit but not sure they need to at least not until they start hauling the big stuff like oversize loads, wide loads etc. but when they get to that point, I have a feeling they’re going to do some pretty amazing things. I’ll leave you with two points to consider out there : Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments the present is theirs the future which some have really worked is there for the young. And the second one : applies to the younger generation compared to the older generation, we don’t look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors, and doing new things because we are curious and curiosity keeps leaving us down new paths. I don’t have to be a Tesla fan to see this is going to be the future most likely whether I kick and scream about it or not time is it constant and I can either except it or not we all can so I will let history prove itself, let Tesla prove itself as far as the trucking industry goes, that being said, I love my diesel love the sound it makes I love that rumble of the jake break engine style and exhaust valve but the time may have passed in new technology is coming so instead of just hating it and complaining well it can’t do this or can’t do that look at what it can do right now and look at how fast it was doing that Tesla didn’t take long to develop compared to the entire trucking industry life, let’s look at the facts and MoveOn, or we can complain cry about it, or except it. As for me, at this point beyond this point, I will just stand back and attempt to be as neutral as possible, and just be an observer of what could be a historical time of change within the industry good or bad. Thank you for putting up with my long rant.

@zipp5398

Жыл бұрын

Please excuse any inconsistencies in my comments I am a truck driver, not a darn English teacher get over it move past it and read the points for what they are not the perfect English that it isn’t.

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Did you actually made a dictionary or a bible!? Wow!!!!!!! Who has time to read that!?

@trythis2821

Жыл бұрын

I read your whole post and is great to hear the opinion of a real truck driver with experience. Lot of people are hating good to hear you are neutral. Same here, hope the Tesla semi proves itself.

@danielch6662

Жыл бұрын

There is a simple mistake that makes the whole long post pointless. Sometimes we really wish for something to be true. But wishing doesn't make it so. Tesla's Model S Plaid has 3 motors *adding up to* 1020 HP and 1050 ft-lb of torque. That is 340 HP and 350 ft-lb from each motor. It was sheer hubris for Elon to think _my car's engine is so powerful, it could power a class 8 semi_ . Well it could. But do you really want to? Once their truck goes into general production and is sold to normal people, after it's left trials with big corporates like Pepsi under contractual obligations to not publicly criticize the vehicle, they better have put in a transmission or tuned the motors in some other way. With torque only half that of a normal diesel, it would seriously ding Tesla's brand name as a performance vehicle. Just think of all the memes people post on twitter joking about Tesla trucks struggling to climb even the shallowest of slopes. Elon will be so busy banning accounts. BTW: BYD started their class 8 truck after Tesla, and already delivered long ago. Tesla is still testing and tweaking. I suspect all the delays is because the targets set by Elon is proving impossible for his engineers to meet. _500 miles range_ AND _as much freight as a diesel_ . BYD's 8TT is none of those things. Version 1 had less than 150 miles of range. Sounds like a joke but they simply sell it to businesses doing short intra-city deliveries. They are delivering version 3 now with 250-300 miles range. Elon is making the perfect the enemy of the good enough.

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielch6662 did you watch the 500 mile run, where the Tesla was flying past diesel trucks going uphill under full load? It didn't look like they had any need for more torque. The thing's a beast . It never slowed down at all.

Tesla semi need battery pack on the trailers to extend its range Would definitely buy one

Is the 500 mile range include fully loaded and in mountainous terrain? If not, the Tesla might be best for regional deliveries rather than long-haul trucking.

@unitrader403

4 ай бұрын

for the range mountains practically dont matter, only elevation change between start and destination is relevant with electric trucks and cars. (except when you start high up with a fully charged battery, then you cannot make use of the regen)

A frieghtliner can go over 600 miles on a tank of fuel and almost every gas station has diesel. Also lithium batteries require special extinguishers to put out battery fires due to the volatile lithium. If exposed to air ( battery leak) the battery pack can explode which would make an accident with a tesla semi more dangerous than a diesel.

Show us the fossil fuel burning emergency charger.

there are countries, which forbid left_hand_drive cars, or right_hand_drive ones! for that countries, what happens to this kinds of cars? are driving laws developed?

When I start see a Tesla charging pump in every single truck spot in every single truck stop and in every spot in every rest area and in places where trucks just find a place to park because all the spots are full, then I will start thinking ev trucks, but wait, theirs more, the power grid needs to be completely improved to handle all the charging, and we know how fast the government will work to get that solved

We as truck drivers spend most of times in cabin...so where is the bed in Tesla truck??? Also in Europe we have GVW up to 65 tons on heavy duty trucks...Tesla seems not even close to it. Would be nice to see how long those batterys live and whats the milage in North Europe climate where we have around -10...-20 degrees at winter times

don’t buy new freightliners, buy 2012 models and they cost like 30-40k

When your truck has 8 hours autonomy driving loaded, and you worry about charging for an hour or so, because time is money.... you are either a slave or ignorant.

This makes the not have options on the Tesla sound better than the standard features of the freightliner

The Tesla has proved that it can only legally go 2/3 as far in a 24 hour period. Time is money.

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@MeditationRelaxSleeps

Жыл бұрын

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the electric truck is nice but doesn't have any of the comforts of home for drivers , so basically it's an over power day cab

That Freight Linner tried and true, once tesla get a few years under its belt, then compare

I don't believe the semis are painted yellow and blue. I think they are full wraps.

HOW HEAVY IS IT????????? the one question they keep side stepping. My Freightliners weight is 17,600, with a 15,500lb trailer we regularly legally scale 46,000lbs of cargo. THE GROSS MEANS NOTHING IF THE TRUCK CAN'T HAUL A FULL LOAD. Based on your info it can only haul 36k, that means I have to buy 5 trucks to do the work of 4 diesel trucks. YOU LOOSE GOOD DAY SIR.

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

But if those 5 trucks have a total cost of ownership that's 40% less over 5 years, then it's a no-brainier. Not so? If you extend that to 10 years to include a major service, maintenance, break pads, etc, I've seen protections of 60% lower TCO.

@karlporath8904

Жыл бұрын

@@RealShawnPate only if you forget the cost of an extra driver. In the 30 years I've driven truck. We got anti lock air brakes that don't work, and never will work like hydraulic anti-lock brakes. Any actual trained truck driver can stop, on ice, without anti-lock brakes, in half the distance that an anti-lock brake truck can. Technology is not always in fact hardly ever the correct solution to most of these problems.

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

@@karlporath8904 Disagree. Humans are terrible drivers. The word will be a much better place when humans are not allowed to operate vehicles. We are not designed to operate these missiles. We don't have the mental or physical response time needed. No matter how good we think we are we all still make mistakes and people die every day on the roads because of it.

@NURGLESBLESSING

Жыл бұрын

@@RealShawnPate your not familiar with cascadia lane assist are you? Or dare I see even riding a horse, surf board or anything mot involving 2 feet...

@Patrick_Gray

Жыл бұрын

@@RealShawnPate So what is your plan?

The cost of replacement batteries for their semi is going to cost more than a new engine for frieght liner.

I'd put a bench seat behind the seat in the tesla that dubs as a bed

1st they have to design a truck that truckers like that is capable of doing multiple tasks and run in 24 hours A-day 7 days a week

Game over. Once all the buyers learn they have 0 technicians able to repair their equipment they will run back to diesel. Coming up on 4yrs in my 2020 cascadia with 0 breakdowns requiring to be towed. Unfortunately, I can't say that for these new improved electric trucks.

Would be much more believable if a real person actually narrated

We still dont know the official weight of an unladen Tesla Semi

@danielch6662

Жыл бұрын

This fact is really sus. I feel like they haven't finalized it because Tesla's engineers are finding it impossible to meet both of Elon's goals of _500 miles range_ AND _as much freight as a diesel truck_ . They've been struggling for 3 years, and no matter how they tweak the balance between battery weight and range, it doesn't work. Nobody wants to tell Elon because he'd just fire whoever brings the bad news. Elon is so committed to what he already promised his fans, he is unable to admit defeat and release a truck with reduced specs, until battery tech can catch up. It's a repeat of the Twitter buyout disaster. Elon got backed into a corner with stuff he promised. THAT is why the Semi is 3 years late, and we still don't have the specs released.

@animemoments7777

Жыл бұрын

@@danielch6662 make sense

Tesla has a long race to catch freighliner up,

TESLA Obviously, but they need to get on with making sleepers

@unitrader403

4 ай бұрын

that would be puttint the carriage before the horse... first they need a reasonable charging network for a certain region and then they can make a sleeper cab and start selling it in that area. and expand both from there.

2:26 Thats a volvo, not a freightliner. Freightliner dosent have those type of switches.

Apple to Apple You should compare bev to bev

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

Not really. The Tesla Semi is trying to disrupt the diesel market, so it's fair to pit them up against each other.

Why doesn't the government make it mandatory that all gas stations in North America has a charge station for evs??

@JensSchraeder

Жыл бұрын

Because they’re really expensive and the grid can’t handle the load.

@NURGLESBLESSING

Жыл бұрын

Reeee fuck what the free market wants, more government ev coercion now

@sirwallygator565

Жыл бұрын

@@JensSchraeder if the grid cant handle it then forget ev cars but they have proven you dont need the grid to charge these cars. soon gas station will have put them in or go under

@sirwallygator565

Жыл бұрын

@@NURGLESBLESSING yes if they dont want to install charge station then they need to sell who will. it will happen but the free market is fighting it so government action is needed

@steveeddy6876

Жыл бұрын

Hmmmm isn't that.Marxism

I’m all for it ❤ time to throw all these diesel trucks in the junkyard

That was a volvo at 2.28

the price is totally wrong I believe in what they say I operate an electric yard truck the price was half million and a regular yard truck is half or even less in price.

Freightliner

"...how is Tesla going to pull it off?" . . . . They are not.

We can in no way ever spend over 70 hours in cab....sleeping or playing on a phone is different since we are in a bunk

Good luck with parking and charging.

volvo had the dinette over 20 yrs ago

Cascadia is more suitable

Is there any idea to start tesla company trucks and cars for sale in india? I'm from tamilnadu chennai.

@RealShawnPate

Жыл бұрын

No. The discussions for a car factory fell through, and they won't deliver Semis if the Supercharger network isn't upgraded first to handle it. The Indian government won't aid in the upgrades, so India won't be getting Semis any time soon. Sorry.

Again Horsepower does not mean as much with a semi. Torque does.

@timorum

Жыл бұрын

so why is the tesla truck so much faster off the line?

@NURGLESBLESSING

Жыл бұрын

@@timorum ..... some1 hasn't had any interest in mechanics until this week......

@elvinjayreid6010

Жыл бұрын

@Tim Orum working truckers aren't racing off the "line". They have special competitions for that if you want though 😊

Electric truck needs to provide long-term rentability VS maintenance costs , diesel hybrid engines ( hydrogen) is the future with low emissions close to 0 percent !!!

@unitrader403

4 ай бұрын

so someone said they will build out a reliable hydrogen fueling network? cause thats the number 1 hurdle i see for that.. these fueling stations are expensive.. and number 2 is how to get the hydrogen.

How can Musk say more torque, when your comparison shows the non EV, almost 600 ft lbs better?

1:16 exspensive ???

Ok I agree we are moving towards ev trucks BUT as a truck driver how r we going to compete with the recreation drivers when fueling up? They going to have fuel stations at every parking space? How long does it take to fuel up? …. OTR DRIVERS .. the infrastructure still needs to be built up. Why did they make ev batteries SELF-CHARGING?

Sorry, Freightliners are the better truck. Freightliners network is much larger and the 1300 mile range with full gross weight vs electric weight rating range drops well over 40-60%. I see a lot of people in these comments that don't know much of anything.

Horsepower is not a measurement of strength but an ability to move through RPM foot pounds of torque is the important number it's the actual work being measured. So the diesel motor is stronger than the electric motor by 50%. Tesla also forgot to put a sleeper cab with kitchen and accessories in their truck. This is why the price range of the diesel truck is higher because it comes with a house. Can you tell me how much a Mega charger will cost to install. And you're gonna need 2 of them one at the start of the trip and 1 at the end of your trip.

@billcichoke2534

Жыл бұрын

You forgot...each megachsrger will need its own SUBSTATION to be viable, since most companies don't have the land rights for acres of solar and dozens of battery stanchions.

@anthonyxuereb792

Жыл бұрын

However electric motors don't need a gearbox and have instant torque, just for the record.

@billcichoke2534

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonyxuereb792 No, lazy designers haven't BUILT a transmission for them. That doesn't mean they don't NEED one. And the fact is, they could benefit from one.

@anthonyxuereb792

Жыл бұрын

@@billcichoke2534 but not a gearbox like those multi speed splitter boxes?

@billcichoke2534

Жыл бұрын

@anthonyxuereb792 It depends on how useful and flexible you want your vehicle to be. If all it can do is jackrabbit starts and really aggressive braking, that kind of limits its usefulness.

Apart from comparing going fast - one distinct advantage not mentioned is that the Tesla uses its motors to slow down the vehicle (i.e. no hot brake pads) - whilst of course pushing the generated energy back into the batteries. How many Freightliners (and other ICE HGV's) have had to use the sand filled emergency stop lanes on a down hill slope?

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense!!! You realise that ICE trucks also use engine braking right! Those trucks using sand beds are those who doesn’t take care of their trucks simple and easy

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Also why is that always a thing in the US!? Those things almost doesn’t exist in Europe at all. And regenerative braking only works going downhill totally useless uphill or flatland

@rohitjayendra

Жыл бұрын

@@carholic-sz3qv Wrong! do your research.

@markelkins8432

Жыл бұрын

@@carholic-sz3qv Why do sand beds exist then?

@markelkins8432

Жыл бұрын

@@carholic-sz3qv Regenerative braking also works when slowing down the vehicle - eg stopping at a traffic light.

Tesla won't say how much it weights I heard it weights 35000 lbs & u can't sleep overnight in it it is only good for short haul city runs if that & u can't haul much weight emt cans toilet paper light freight...

I wouldn't drive either one

Give me a freight liner any day tellsa plastic wonder

Ur voice sleepy

Very wrong on price

It’s actually called driver lounge My truck has opti idle my heat and ac runs how ever long I have fuel to turn on to charge the batteries and these truck can haul more than 80k it’s more of the bridge laws and federal laws that prevents this with out permits and in Texas we can get the gross without external permit to 85k on 18 wheels but hauling grain I’ve weighed over 100k total with truck and trailer and it pulls the same just takes longer to stop but I can’t expect some that isn’t experienced drive to know this

I read quite a few comments and they left out the length of time to change over most of our trucks to electric. I think the change to electric trucks and the charging for them will take many years. Also it will take many companies and competition is good for every one.

Could you do a video with factual information. Some of your diesel specs are so far off. I mean, so far out of wack that even a Tesla fan would see the holes if they bothered to think for themselves.

You should have someone do the evaluation who knows something more about trucking. You are comparing an over the road Freightliner truck with a Tesla day cab. This is apples to oranges. 500 miles a day is the bottom end of range for over the road driving. I averaged over 700 legal miles a day in a Freightliner. I retired my truck at over 1.5MM miles. Day cabs may only put on 150 to 300 miles in a day because you make many stops to load and unload. That is probably where Tesla is going to shine, but in lots of day cab operations the truck is used round the clock with different drivers, so charging could be a problem. The weights you list seem off. A Freightliner over the road tractor should weigh in between 17,000 and 25,000lbs depending on the configuration. Add a trailer and the load up to 80,000. A Freightliner day cab would be around 5,000 lbs less depending on the configuration. Recently in Wisconsin, a lot of Tesla owners found their vehicles didn't charge at 8 below zero. Fuel doesn't gel until a lot colder, but Freightliners auto warm the fuel, so mine even started at 39 below with a wind chill of 64 below in Williston ND. I don't think Tesla is there yet. Long way to go, but they have to get out in the field and run into all of those problems before they can solve them. There should be no war between various forms of fuel. Some work better in one instance and some in another. In industry there have been electric, gasoline, natural gas and diesel fork lifts going back to the 1930's. People figure out what best suits their needs and that is what they use. That is what will happen in trucking if the politicians leave it alone.

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REGARDLESS whether the freightliner is a better truck or not it is diesel. Climate change has dictated that petro vehicles must go. So after the dust settles, electrics & hydrogen is all that will be left standing. So your comparison is moot. !

The weight of the tractor is around 35,000 lb not 60,000 lb , we haul loads up to 44,000 lb , you don’t know nothing about trucks,