Forged Gun Barrel - Method 1

I misspeak a few times in the video, please hold your comments/corrections until the end of the video, where I inserted a correctional clip
Forging a short section of barrel using the “Whitley” method as described by Alex Bealer in his book “the art of blacksmithing” to use for forging/machining practice and to do destructive testing on later.
Starting stock was 1/2”x1” (13x25mm) mild steel flat bar, and a 1/4” (6mm) groove is fullered down the middle of the bar. The flats of the octagon were roughly 3/8” (10mm) wide.
This is the method I would prefer to use, it was very quick and easy to produce this 4” (100mm) pistol barrel, hopefully it survives destructive testing.

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  • @hannemannironworks1651
    @hannemannironworks16514 жыл бұрын

    Can’t wait to see you try and blow em up!

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to that myself! It’s gonna be a fun day 😎

  • @abbasi5555

    @abbasi5555

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@veteranironoutdoors8320 nice my friend I need a suggestion from you

  • @murraymakesstuff
    @murraymakesstuff Жыл бұрын

    Completely forgot I had some of my Dad's Foxfire books, and I have #5! Thanks for the reminder and this great video.

  • @paulorchard7960
    @paulorchard79602 жыл бұрын

    Thats fascinating Jarod , I have wondered how barrels were made and you are going to show me at least 3 methods! Be watching all of them, you can bet on that!

  • @Green.Country.Agroforestry
    @Green.Country.Agroforestry2 жыл бұрын

    Destructive tests of the differing methods of forging a barrel might be interesting .. I'm guessing that although Whitley's method could produce a barrel faster, wrapping a bar around a mandrel would produce a barrel capable of withstanding higher pressures .. Loving this entire series, sir!

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    2 жыл бұрын

    Heres the video! kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJ6MlMuFlaaeeMo.html And I have concluded the only reason the coiled barrel is stronger is because it saw triple the welding heats of the orher barrels.

  • @dragonwaterforge
    @dragonwaterforge4 жыл бұрын

    It's so amazing too think that they did this back in the day cool man

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    The scary part is, the barrel is the easy part of the gun to make!

  • @GospodinJean
    @GospodinJean3 жыл бұрын

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!............... Ur a hero dude! if someday guns be totally banned. U can do one out of some metal pieces!

  • @robertlombardo8437

    @robertlombardo8437

    3 жыл бұрын

    The time is NOW! AR-15s are good. Combined arms resources from modern back to colonial are even better!

  • @markjake6285
    @markjake62857 ай бұрын

    You are one heck of a good blacksmith. I can tell you're the real deal

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @robertlombardo8437
    @robertlombardo84373 жыл бұрын

    Good golly Sarge. That folded square technique is a stroke of genius! Two to three of the basic steps of making a barrel, done with a single folding and welding. If you want to keep from collapsing the hole, a good technique is forging out a long round-stock mandrel to pound through it. Saw it on the video before me, seemed to work pretty good.

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ive found forging by myself, they suck the welding heat right out by the time you get it to the anvil, and if you insert at the anvil you get an absolute terrible weld around the bore that needs extra drilling out (not a bad thing if you are wanting to go large bore) At this pont in time I have welded 14 barrels of various lengths without a mandrel, and have yet to collapse a bore using any of the 3 methods. (That being said I am diligent that I work the barrel evenly in its cross section)

  • @robertlombardo8437

    @robertlombardo8437

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@veteranironoutdoors8320 Ah yes, the heating issue was the one major thing I noticed with using a mandrel. I guess I don't mind working through more heats as much because I use propane. It's not as labor intensive as coal can be. By the way, I tried contacting you via email for commission pricing but it got returned to sender. Are you not using that email anymore?

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@robertlombardo8437 That is my main email, however you are not the first to have problems contacting me, so I have created an Email specifically for the KZread channel: veteranironandwood@aol.com. Please try contacting me there!

  • @drason69
    @drason694 жыл бұрын

    I have both of those books. This is gonna be fun to follow. 👍❤️⚒️😉

  • @dillonpense6530
    @dillonpense65303 жыл бұрын

    Awsome work! Havnt seen this method before

  • @cristianpopescu78
    @cristianpopescu782 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic work!

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @davidklein1463
    @davidklein14634 жыл бұрын

    Hell yeah! I’d like to have set up like that one day! More power to ya, keep it up!

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    The forge is modeled after the forge that is in the historical blacksmiths shop not far from where I live, that my blacksmithing group does demos and history days out of from time to time.

  • @grandadz_forge
    @grandadz_forge4 жыл бұрын

    this is a fun experiment

  • @leonardorodini1947
    @leonardorodini19474 жыл бұрын

    Awesome!

  • @ChristopherJones16
    @ChristopherJones163 жыл бұрын

    You would love where I live.. You can dig up Anthracite in my yard. I live in North Eastern PA where all the Anthracite comes from. I live 1/4 mile from the mines entrance.

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wanna bring me a truck load? Im only a state or two over in Nebraska haha

  • @jessejames1804
    @jessejames18043 жыл бұрын

    Awesome

  • @evilmonkeygaming7200
    @evilmonkeygaming72002 жыл бұрын

    very nice

  • @tylerjenkins91
    @tylerjenkins914 жыл бұрын

    You’ve earned a subscriber for this! Found you on the Facebook group

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Tyler! Hope this series helps you out in your escapades.

  • @patricklogan4030
    @patricklogan40302 жыл бұрын

    Will get it sooner than layer

  • @manminusblood
    @manminusblood7 ай бұрын

    Cool

  • @johnwhauserman
    @johnwhauserman10 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your Service Sir.

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    10 ай бұрын

    And thank you for being the kind of person worth serving.

  • @damiferar1544
    @damiferar15446 ай бұрын

    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @KennethMlbk
    @KennethMlbk4 жыл бұрын

    please document the rest of the build.

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    I definitely will be!

  • @abbasialirqi9647
    @abbasialirqi96473 жыл бұрын

    good job .. whats the material you spread on iron .. whats the powder ??

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    3 жыл бұрын

    abbasi alirqi Flux. In this case it is laundry Borax.

  • @user-bs4lj2to5e

    @user-bs4lj2to5e

    2 жыл бұрын

    عراقي

  • @Proverbhouse
    @Proverbhouse4 жыл бұрын

    When you start your testing I have a 0-1 tenths mic you can borrow That will tell you if you have any swelling

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @OuroborosArmory
    @OuroborosArmory4 жыл бұрын

    Wow 17 min and not first :)

  • @svjaos
    @svjaos9 ай бұрын

    우와 서양인들 대단 하다

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    9 ай бұрын

    Bro you gotta translate that for me. I cant tell if thats korean or chinese so I dont even know what to plug into a translator.

  • @DedicatedSpartan
    @DedicatedSpartan Жыл бұрын

    What does the borax do?

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    Жыл бұрын

    It is a flux, an agent that chemically bonds to the impurities on the surface of the steel and carries them away under the blow of the hammer, leaving clean surfaces for welding to occur, thus minimizing the chance of flaws in the weld.

  • @coreymerrill3257
    @coreymerrill32572 жыл бұрын

    Hmm. Interesting... I always wanted to make a wrapped barrel . A damascus barrel as they are commonly but wrongly called. I'd imagine the bore mandrel would be the hardest part to make or aquire. Forge welding thin strips of steel together , while tightly wrapping them around the mandrel to make helical layers . Building up until you have the desired and uniform wall thickness and an undersized bore. Rifling can be made by continuing with the mandrel work or cut rifling ...or leave it a smooth bore if desired. Note a shotgun barrel is not just a tube. It has an internal constriction ,called a forcing cone at the end of the chamber. Plus at the muzzle end, between 6-10 inches back from the muzzle itself, is an area about 3 inches long that is not polished as well as the rest of the bore. This area slows shot cups and wadding, causing drag which eases seperation of the projectile payload from the cup . That area is not used in slug guns made for sabots . This is a big reason why shot is not recommended through them. Foster slugs are slightly under sized , and utilize that area to make a good projectile to bore seal. The meplat area of the slug slows down faster then the base , so it expands the slug. At least when the barrel is made correctly . Very cool experiment . My only gripe here is the " proof loadings ". They are not proof loadings ,they are just overpressure loads. there is a formula to follow to say it is proofed. Specific levels of over pressure are used to know the gun is safe with all commercial ammunition, yet does not induce structural issues. Called a red pill , it is loaded to be %70 percent over pressure versus a standard factory loading of the ammo type. The sequence is factory , plus %30 , inspect then plus %70 , and inspect. Magnetic particle inspection is done after proofing to look for microscopic cracks and flaws like internal stretching at the throat . A borescope with high magnification can be used but is less effective than mpi ,but far better than no inspection. Good video, it made me think

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    2 жыл бұрын

    You are SO wrong on so many things in your comment, I am embarrassed for you. 1-Yes it is called a damascus barrel. Thats what they called them back then so that is the correct term. 2-the bore mandrel would be the easiest part to make out of the whole gun. 3-you, with no demonstrated blacksmithing knowledge, are trying to tell me (a blacksmith) and others reading this on how it should be done? Gtfo guy. 4- you CANNOT make rifling with a mandrel and a hand hammer. That is a very specialized industrial process that requires special tool steels, very short working times, and a very heavy trip hammer and dies. 5-dont know where you were going with the shotgun barrel info, but that’s common knowledge guy. 6-“they are not proof loadings, they are just overpressure loads” UM, what do you think a proof load is, dumbass. 7-the saami indusry standard proof load is 125% of the cartridges maximum sammi rated psi, not 70%. So if it is a 55k psi cartridge they proof it at 68,750psi. 8-the barrel was measured at several different lengths with a digital caliper pre and post firing to see if there were any bulges or swelling.

  • @nickluther263
    @nickluther2634 жыл бұрын

    Anti gun screeching intensifies

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    TECHNICALLY, it’s not a firearm according to US law 👌

  • @nickluther263

    @nickluther263

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@veteranironoutdoors8320 and technically the 2nd is meant to stop idiots in the government from taking guns but you see how that works

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nick Luther I hope you have your big igloo gear ready.

  • @nickluther263

    @nickluther263

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@veteranironoutdoors8320 I'm in Italy now, but I have a stash in the states.

  • @jlyle51
    @jlyle516 ай бұрын

    This is nothing new. They were making barrels like this for 200 years. Just now we have better steel to start with. Nice work. Should hold with Black powder. Smokeless load might be different.

  • @loganpollock1689
    @loganpollock16892 жыл бұрын

    How about some gloves, apron and eye protection. I have seen some real artist on the anvil.

  • @veteranironoutdoors8320

    @veteranironoutdoors8320

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nope. There is such a thing as “so safe it’s dangerous” and thats it right there.